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Drakon.

Cassandra ends him with that ridiculously long lower leg.

good match, cassie 7/10 ftw

Originally posted by Existere
Cassandra ends him with that ridiculously long lower leg.

holy crap I didn't even notice

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
good match, cassie 7/10 ftw

lol

Hm, Drakon is clearly significantly superhuman, but as Connor showed it is possible to peg him with 'traps,' he relies on his higher speed and by reacting a foe can get in really good hits, and that's something Cassandra is good at... I'd say Drakon for the majority, but Blackbat gets some wins.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Drakon.

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, Drakon is clearly significantly superhuman, but as Connor showed it is possible to peg him with 'traps,' he relies on his higher speed and by reacting a foe can get in really good hits, and that's something Cassandra is good at... I'd say Drakon for the majority, but Blackbat gets some wins.

The thing is, he isn't even meta. But he has some insane speed feats for a street leveler. Probably one of the best, IMO.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
The thing is, he isn't even meta. But he has some insane speed feats for a street leveler. Probably one of the best, IMO.

They've never said he's superhuman, but they've also never said he's not, and his feats are blatantly meta. Moving so fast Connor Hawke has trouble tracking him? Catching a dozen arrows from two members of the Arrow family with his fingertips? Taking an explosion and only needing minor bandages as a result?

He's superhuman in abilities whether or not he has the metagene. Heck, Cass is superhuman in abilities, but he's even more-so.

I wonder who would win between Deathstroke and Constantine. DS diid free him, right?

A couple other speed feats I liked were him cutting Roy without him knowing and throwing a knife in a room, yet nobody saw the motion of the throw.

Cass is Peak human speed.


Drakon is probably high Peak Human speed.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cass is Peak human speed.


Drakon is probably high Peak Human speed.

Cass has pretty much the best speed feats of any 'peak human.'

Drakon is super human

Not the best but Cass is pretty good thanks to her body reading ability.

Drakon seems impressive as well but haven't seen anything that puts him above the likes of Cap/Slade. So I peg him about higher peak then Cass.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Not the best but Cass is pretty good thanks to her body reading ability.

Her 'dodge into the path of bullets in mid-flight, then out of their way, several time in a row, for fun?'

No-one does that. Not Cap or Slade.



Moving so fast that a high-end martial artist like Connor is badly outmatched speed wise? That Roy Harper, who holds his own against Nightwing, can't even see move?

That's blatantly superhuman.

Originally posted by Q99
Her 'dodge into the path of bullets in mid-flight, then out of their way, several time in a row, for fun?'

No-one does that. Not Cap or Slade.


Daredevil has kept up with a bullet and it was a mid flight bullet. Another time he dodged a sniper bullet while its inches away from his face. And DD has admitted Cap is faster. Cap has even impressed Quicksilver himself to even dodged lazers in zero gravity. No one has done that period.





Which again don't out due the feats of Cap/Slade. Cap/Slade are more accurate to receive such a label. But even they don't get it in the comics.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Daredevil has kept up with a bullet and it was a mid flight bullet to other time dodge a sniper bullet while its inches away from his face.

And Cass's feat is more impressive than that. She dodged in front of *four* bullets, then out of the way, while all four were in mid-air. Also, she dodged sniper shots while blindfolded as part of her training.






Roy's never had a problem seeing Slade move. He can't always deal with it, but Deathstroke isn't invisible to him like Drakon is.


And to state the obvious, Slade is superhuman.

Originally posted by Q99
And Cass's feat is more impressive than that. She dodged in front of *four* bullets, then out of the way, while all four were in mid-air. Also, she dodged sniper shots while blindfolded as part of her training.

Not realy since DD dodged a sniper rifle bullet which is much faster then the guns that the agents used. Plus DD so fast he can send back two bullets in mid flight.









Slade even stated Roy is no Nightwing. Eh

Slade is almost superhuman. Now he has stated his reflexes are superhuman. But that's not what were discussing.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Not realy since DD dodged a sniper rifle bullet which is much faster then the guns that the agents used.

*Four* bullets. Meaning she did it three times while the fourth was in flight before even getting into it's way.

Did DD mess around before dodging the sniper bullet?

And she's also dodged a sniper round at close range without being blindfolded.



That just requires getting the billy clubs into his way, not nearly as impressive as moving the whole body between four bullets.





No, he's superhuman. Strength, toughness, reflexes, speed, he got across the board enhancements.

Originally posted by Q99
*Four* bullets. Meaning she did it three times while the fourth was in flight before even getting into it's way.

Did DD mess around before dodging the sniper bullet?

And she's also dodged a sniper round at close range without being blindfolded.



That just requires getting the billy clubs into his way, not nearly as impressive as moving the whole body between four bullets.

The sniper bullet was inches away from DD's face. Actually that requires total arm speed to bat away two bullets in flight. Which is unlike anything Cass has ever shown with arm speed.

Besides another sniper bullet feat is when DD saved Spiderman himself. He DD didn't not only hit the bullet but afterwords even kept up with it with his speed a considerable distance. Which is much more impressive then moving in between Agents bullets.









Across the board. Nope otherwise we wouldn't never hear the word almost superhuman.

But its there.

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Not sure why we are comparing Daredevil and Batgirl, but since we are I'll point out that she swayed back and forth about four inches to the left or right of the hit box, batting back consecutively fired bullets at a shooter is more impressive, would require a higher degree of speed and a much higher level of dexterity. Outside of the aforementioned bullet dodging/blocking feats, DD has feats where he has seemingly teleported two blocks in between panels. Matt is faster than Cass... but Drakon is faster than both of them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not sure why we are comparing Daredevil and Batgirl, but since we are I'll point out that she swayed back and forth about four inches to the left or right of the hit box,

Nah, several feet. Looks like two shoulder widths or so. And including a change in direction.

Originally posted by Q99
Nah, several feet. Looks like two shoulder widths or so. And including a change in direction.

Centered against that crate, she never moved more then a few inches to left or right of one of her ears in the starting position. No more then the width of her head in either direction.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Drakon.

What the hell happened to srank...

Someone must have said Batman would beat Wolverine in RL, Srank had a mental breakdown and got institutionalized.

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