Who are your MMA prospects 2 Watch?

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long pig
My first prospect was Dom Cruz, and he's done proven me right. The young man I'm following right now is this 24 year old KOTC newcomer. He's of the newschool who train mma since day one. He's a college D1 All American wrestling champ with a purple belt in bjj and bb in Judoka and has 8 k1 fights with no losses. All ko's. Sure, his stand up is TKD, but he's easily top 10 strikers in mma. I'll give his name and bio in a bit. But, this guy has all this skill with Melvin Guillard level power, speed and all around superior athleticism. He's the man. So, I showed you my guy to watch, who's your guy to watch?

Mindset
Anderson Silva.

long pig
Terrible fighter.

StyleTime
long pig.

long pig
Erm....no. I just fight for weed money and the opportunity to legally beat up white boys. White boys white boys, whatcha gonna do..... Seriously though, Anderson Silva sucks. I hate him.

JayDaDon
Anderson silva no expression


Seriously though Melvin guillard. IMO he'd flatten Frankie Edgar right now.

batdude123
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Seriously though Melvin guillard. IMO he'd flatten Frankie Edgar right now.

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JayDaDon
Originally posted by batdude123
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JayDaDon
Originally posted by JayDaDon
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batdude123
Well, first of all, I doubt you can call somebody with 40 professional fights an "up-and-comer" or a "prospect." Second of all, Edgar is probably one of the few guys in the LW division that can match Guillard in terms of pure speed, plus he has much better overall skills.

Mindset
Originally posted by batdude123
Well, first of all, I doubt you can call somebody with 40 professional fights an "up-and-comer" or a "prospect." Second of all, Edgar is probably one of the few guys in the LW division that can match Guillard in terms of pure speed, plus he has much better overall skills. Idk, I think Melvin could put Edgar away.

Edgar may be able to match his speed, but he isn't handling his power if Maynard can rock him. Edgar has better wrestling, maybe, but Melvin is no slouch. Only thing is Melvin has never had a 5 round fight, if it lasts 5 rounds, that is. Edgar has better skills, but that alone wont win a fight.

I also like disagreeing with you.

batdude123
Originally posted by Mindset
Idk, I think Melvin could put Edgar away.

Edgar may be able to match his speed, but he isn't handling his power if Maynard can rock him. Edgar has better wrestling, maybe, but Melvin is no slouch. Only thing is Melvin has never had a 5 round fight, if it lasts 5 rounds, that is. Edgar has better skills, but that alone wont win a fight.

I also like disagreeing with you.

Wrong.

Gray Maynard has knocked somebody out in 9 seconds. He has plenty of KO power. Even after eating all Maynard had to offer, he still came back and arguably won the next 4 rounds. And Edgar doesn't "maybe" have better wrestling. Guillard would lose.

Yeah, I've noticed. Quit trolling, doucher.

Mindset
Originally posted by batdude123
Wrong.

Gray Maynard has knocked somebody out in 9 seconds. He has plenty of KO power. Even after eating all Maynard had to offer, he still came back and arguably won the next 4 rounds. And Edgar doesn't "maybe" have better wrestling. Guillard would lose.

Yeah, I've noticed. Quit trolling, doucher. And Melvin has better KO power as well as better boxing. Maynard didn't know how to finish him. You think he doesn't have better wrestling? Edgar hater.

batdude123
And Edgar has better boxing than Melvin. Edgar absolutely has better wrestling, not "maybe."

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Mindset
More technical, which doesn't matter, because Melvin has better boxing than Maynard who was able to land on him. He'll be able to hit Edgar. Melvin will suplex Edgar.

batdude123
Just like BJ was able to? biscuits Melvin will suplex Edgar, then Edgar will pull a Fedor and kimura him.

Mindset
BJ sucks.

batdude123
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JayDaDon
@batdude

Yeah you got a point about the up and comer thing so I guess he doesnt really count. I was thinking he meant fave prospects. But still Edgar isn't unhittable. Guillard would finish what maynard started in round 1. Edgar has fast movement but his hands aint close to guillard's speed. He may be a more technical boxer but i dont see how that gives him an advantage against guillard's level of speed and power. Standing with mel would not end well for edgar.

batdude123
Originally posted by JayDaDon
@batdude

Yeah you got a point about the up and comer thing so I guess he doesnt really count. I was thinking he meant fave prospects. But still Edgar isn't unhittable. Guillard would finish what maynard started in round 1. Edgar has fast movement but his hands aint close to guillard's speed. He may be a more technical boxer but i dont see how that gives him an advantage against guillard's level of speed and power. Standing with mel would not end well for edgar.

That's what most people thought about Edgar's chances striking against BJ, and look how that turned out. It's going to take more than a victory against Dunham (who's only demonstrated decent striking against a guy like Sherk) and Shane Roller, who is a terrible striker, to convince me that he'd beast Edgar standing up. And Guillard's fight with Stephens was arguably a win for Jeremy (I thought so). Either way, unlike Guillard, Frankie doesn't have to rely on his hands. He's a much better grappler. Guillard's fight with Ronny Torres was highly unimpressive, and the fight before that, Diaz choked him out. So yeah, I'm just not seeing it.

And after Frankie beats Maynard in their 3rd match, it'll only verify my above statements even more.

0mega Spawn
anderson silva sucks?

get the fukk outta here.
he sure is putting mutha****as away laughing out loud

edit - well i stopped watching any MMA a long time ago.
anderson silvas been getting punished or something?

StyleTime
They are joking around.

srankmissingnin
Rory MacDonald

batdude123
^ That's more like it.

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JayDaDon
Originally posted by batdude123
That's what most people thought about Edgar's chances striking against BJ, and look how that turned out. It's going to take more than a victory against Dunham (who's only demonstrated decent striking against a guy like Sherk) and Shane Roller, who is a terrible striker, to convince me that he'd beast Edgar standing up. And Guillard's fight with Stephens was arguably a win for Jeremy (I thought so). Either way, unlike Guillard, Frankie doesn't have to rely on his hands. He's a much better grappler. Guillard's fight with Ronny Torres was highly unimpressive, and the fight before that, Diaz choked him out. So yeah, I'm just not seeing it.

And after Frankie beats Maynard in their 3rd match, it'll only verify my above statements even more.

For me its not about who he destroyed, its how he did it. It's the same thing for me as watching the fashion in how jon jones destroyed his opponents. He never dismantled anyone huge until he got to bader, but you could see how he'd do against higher level competition.

The fights where mel got choked out by diaz were before he joined up with greg jackson. From what i've seen so far, he's a completely new beast from those days. He's been working sub defense It would be difficult getting mel to the ground to grapple in the first place because his tdd is crazy now. He's taking on a sort of liddell style where his tdd makes every fight take place on the feet. Either way he's my top lightweight right now next to jmiller, and he's only getting better.

JayDaDon
Originally posted by batdude123
^ That's more like it.

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batdude123
Originally posted by JayDaDon
For me its not about who he destroyed, its how he did it. It's the same thing for me as watching the fashion in how jon jones destroyed his opponents. He never dismantled anyone huge until he got to bader, but you could see how he'd do against higher level competition.

The fights where mel got choked out by diaz were before he joined up with greg jackson. From what i've seen so far, he's a completely new beast from those days. He's been working sub defense It would be difficult getting mel to the ground to grapple in the first place because his tdd is crazy now. He's taking on a sort of liddell style where his tdd makes every fight take place on the feet. Either way he's my top lightweight right now next to jmiller, and he's only getting better.

Jon Jones has been much more impressive than Guillard has as far as I'm concerned, and comparing the two is a little premature. Going into that fight with Roller, everyone, including me, expected that Melvin would totally dismantle Roller. I mean, prior to that flush punch that was landed on Tavares, Tavares was picking Roller to pieces on the feet, and he's nothing but a glorified submission specialist.

My point is that Frankie Edgar is infinitely better than Evan Dunham, Shane Roller, Jeremy Stephens (which was a controversial decision), Waylan Lowe, and Ronny Torres. He's also beaten much better competition. I mean just look at the way Penn was handling the top LW's he was going up against before facing Edgar. I'm not trying to say it'd be impossible for Guillard to pull a rabbit out of his ass and beat Frankie, but right now, he would have to be considered a huge underdog.

And when you mean your "top LW next to Jim Miller," I hope you're talking in the context of fighters rising through the ranks. Because guys like Maynard, Edgar, Alvarez, and Milendez are rightfully ranked above both of them.

Quiero Mota
Carlos Flores

He's a personal friend of mine, and he's fought in KOTC and in Desert Rage, which is a small Arizona-based promotion. He got his big break back in April in which he fought in the Prelims at Bellator 41 down in Yuma, and won the fight. Pretty soon he's gonna be signing with Bellator, so definitely keep an eye out.

He's undefeated: five and o. His style: Goju-Ryu Karate, Collegiate Wrestilng and Muay Thai.

batdude123
Will do. Hopefully he flourishes and goes on to bigger and better things.

Quiero Mota
Originally posted by batdude123
Will do. Hopefully he flourishes and goes on to bigger and better things.

His next fight is in September, in KOTC I believe. And after that, he's gonna sign on with Bellator full-time. So he should be making his Bellator debut on a main card either late this year, or early next year.

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^Carlos putting a hurtin' on Rudy Aguilar at Bellator 41
(That was actually 4 knees in a row!)


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^Two shitfaced Mexicans; him and I celebrating with some friends after the fight.

By the way; I actually cornered for him for three of his fights.

Mindset
That's cool, sometimes I corner for Anderson.

JayDaDon
Originally posted by batdude123
Jon Jones has been much more impressive than Guillard has as far as I'm concerned, and comparing the two is a little premature. Going into that fight with Roller, everyone, including me, expected that Melvin would totally dismantle Roller. I mean, prior to that flush punch that was landed on Tavares, Tavares was picking Roller to pieces on the feet, and he's nothing but a glorified submission specialist.

My point is that Frankie Edgar is infinitely better than Evan Dunham, Shane Roller, Jeremy Stephens (which was a controversial decision), Waylan Lowe, and Ronny Torres. He's also beaten much better competition. I mean just look at the way Penn was handling the top LW's he was going up against before facing Edgar. I'm not trying to say it'd be impossible for Guillard to pull a rabbit out of his ass and beat Frankie, but right now, he would have to be considered a huge underdog.

And when you mean your "top LW next to Jim Miller," I hope you're talking in the context of fighters rising through the ranks. Because guys like Maynard, Edgar, Alvarez, and Milendez are rightfully ranked above both of them.

Yeah By top LW's I didn't mean in rank. I mean I see that both of them have the skills to make it to the top. Maybe in the next two or so fights, mel will start looking a bit more like jones did, but you see my point. Mel would definitely be considered the underdog in a fight with edgar right now, no doubt. But its mostly because of their records. I just see him being a bad bad matchup for edgar specifically. This is just what I think, I'll stop with the off topic discussion Lol.

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