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Who takes the majority with the following stipulations:

1. Everyone is bloodlusted, however, they can't destroy the planet?
2. Bfr is allowed...


Kyle Rayner
Donna Troy (lasso)
Wally West
Tempest
Starfire
Raven

vs.

Silver Surfer
Drax
Firelord
Red Shift
Nova
Morg

The fight takes places in the Great Wall of China.

Surfer and his Heralds win.

Not sure what Team 1 will be doing while Kyle solos.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Surfer and his Heralds win.

What's your take? I think its pretty even.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not sure what Team 1 will be doing while Kyle solos.

Originally posted by aztec
What's your take? I think its pretty even.

I see the Surfer slightly above Kyle. And Drax would beat Donna, he is stronger imho and durable enough to take some hits.
Wally might be a problem but with so much Firepower the Heralds can go all AoE and take him down. Starfire, though tough isn't in the same class a as Herald of Galactus and Raven is the only one who could give them some wins via BFR. But this aint enough.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I see the Surfer slightly above Kyle. And Drax would beat Donna, he is stronger imho and durable enough to take some hits.
Wally might be a problem but with so much Firepower the Heralds can go all AoE and take him down. Starfire, though tough isn't in the same class a as Herald of Galactus and Raven is the only one who could give them some wins via BFR. But this aint enough.

Thanks for elaborating. I hate when ppl just respond team one wins/team two wins without giving an explanation. It makes me appreciate responses given by posters.


What if Wally went up against Surfer? I can see Kyle overpowering Firelord, which will allow him to aid either Donna or Kory. I can see Donna holding her own against Draw. To be honest, I give them each 5/10. Kory isn't a slouch either, i'm more than confident that she can at best stalemate Nova.

I agree with Batman Prime, too much power overall. Kyle is the best bet here, but Surfer is above him.

Originally posted by aztec
Thanks for elaborating. I hate when ppl just respond team one wins./team two wins without giving an explanation. It makes me appreciate other posters responses.


What if Wally went up against Surfer? I can see Kyle overpowering Firelord, which will allow him to add either Donna or Kory. I can see Donna holding her own against Draw. To be honest, I give them each 5/10.

Ok. Surfer is the most powerful Herald and I don't think that Wally can take him for a majority. Kyle vs Firelord should be a stalemate. And even if Surfer would stalemate Wally and Kyle stalemates Firelord.

You still have Drax, Morg, Nova. The only ones having a slight chance are Donna and Starfire. Raven and Tempes shouldn't be there. Superboy would be a better substitute for Tempest.

How the phuck does Firelord stalemate Kyle?

Originally posted by Mindset
How the phuck does Firelord stalemate Kyle?

'cmon he did fine against Surfer and Thor.

Actually, Morg has beaten Surfer before he got the WOL..Morg's a beast here.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ok. Surfer is the most powerful Herald and I don't think that Wally can take him for a majority. Kyle vs Firelord should be a stalemate. And even if Surfer would stalemate Wally and Kyle stalemates Firelord.

You still have Drax, Morg, Nova. The only ones having a slight chance are Donna and Starfire. Raven and Tempes shouldn't be there. Superboy would be a better substitute for Tempest.

Tempest is a powerful mage on his own right. Did you read OWAW? He along with Raven were able to restore Darkseid's power after he was severly weakend. Raven's soul-self on the other hand, has been able to knock out Supergirl, has been used to teleport and heal other members. Both Tempest and Raven belong here.


Anyway, as far as Firelord is concern he isn't on Kyle's league. Rayner is his superior imho. I place Kyle, Wally and Norrin in the same league. But that's just me.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
'cmon he did fine against Surfer and Thor.

Starfire has done well against Wonder Woman, but that doesn't mean she's on her same league.

Morg>Surfer>Kyle and Flash

That's how the top tiers here rank imo, thus balancing power in favor of the heralds. I didn't see Morg the first time I read the op.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Morg>Surfer>Kyle and Flash

That's how the top tiers here rank imo, thus balancing power in favor of the heralds. I didn't see Morg the first time I read the op.


Surfer and Morg had a rematch and Surfer annihilated him.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Surfer and Morg had a rematch and Surfer annihilated him. Really? I just remember when he beat him the first time, then beat him with the WOL. In any case, he's at least on that level.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Morg>Surfer>Kyle and Flash

That's how the top tiers here rank imo, thus balancing power in favor of the heralds. I didn't see Morg the first time I read the op.

I'm not using Morg with his upgrade, or else it would be lopsided. So Morg isn't greater than Surfer, Wally or let alone Kyle.

If Surfer's only beaten him once, it's 1 to 1. Again, that puts him on his level. And he is above Kyle and Flash just for being on that level.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If Surfer's only beaten him once, it's 1 to 1. Again, that puts him on his level. And he is above Kyle and Flash just for being on that level.


Yeah he is certainly on Surfers level even thought he lost this fight he didnt' get annihilated man I remembered this differently


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i can see wally defeating surfer if he uses the sf well. kyle can also take morg and tempest is one of the most powerful on either lineup.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Actually, Morg has beaten Surfer before he got the WOL..Morg's a beast here. I recall Surfer had an upgrade during the Annihilation Arc.

Originally posted by aztec
Tempest is a powerful mage on his own right. Did you read OWAW? He along with Raven were able to restore Darkseid's power after he was severly weakend. Raven's soul-self on the other hand, has been able to knock out Supergirl, has been used to teleport and heal other members. Both Tempest and Raven belong here.


Anyway, as far as Firelord is concern he isn't on Kyle's league. Rayner is his superior imho. I place Kyle, Wally and Norrin in the same league. But that's just me.

Raven's soul-self failed on Supergirl completely in Supergirl's ongoing. She tried to take her under her cloak and Kara rendered Raven useless at the hands of psionic feedback.

Surfer is officially skyfather level:

http://thumbnails50.imagebam.com/14508/e55588145078098.jpg

Originally posted by Simbon
Surfer is officially skyfather level:

http://thumbnails50.imagebam.com/14508/e55588145078098.jpg You misunderstand, thats Hulk and Betty.

Now now guys, he shares that feat with Morg...

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Now now guys, he shares that feat with Morg...

Wow. Just Wow. What will it take for you to admit that Surfer is skyfather level? Peeps like you just hate surfer and don't want to admit how powerful he is; too bad for you Marvel disagrees. Deal with it.

^Surfer at least taps into Trans Level sometimes. Anyway. I know that Raven and Tempest are powerful in their own right but I see them more like supporting chars and in a direct battle I would think the Heralds act faster, with more experiance and more direct power.

Just my opinion^^.

Originally posted by Konton
Raven's soul-self failed on Supergirl completely in Supergirl's ongoing. She tried to take her under her cloak and Kara rendered Raven useless at the hands of psionic feedback.

Read Brave and The Bold "Without Sin". Raven overpowered Supergirl effortlessly without going all out. Kara was surprised that Rachel could outwit her so easily.

Raven also played a pivotal role in OWAW. Darkseid was impress by her sheer power. Then theirs the current incident in Winnick's run. She was able to out perform and overpower her step brothers. Raven's no pushover. Unfortunately, she's often downplayed.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If Surfer's only beaten him once, it's 1 to 1. Again, that puts him on his level. And he is above Kyle and Flash just for being on that level.

Batman has defeated Superma, Wonder Woman, The Martian and Flash. Does that mean he's on the same league?

This is the actual order of things:

Kyle > Surfer > Wally > herald chumps >>>>>>>>>> absolute crap titans

Team Surfer 8/10

Originally posted by aztec Read Brave and The Bold "Without Sin". Raven overpowered Supergirl effortlessly without going all out. Kara was surprised that Rachel could outwit her so easily. Raven also played a pivotal role in OWAW. Darkseid was impress by her sheer power. Then theirs the current incident in Winnick's run. She was able to out perform and overpower her step brothers. Raven's no pushover. Unfortunately, she's often downplayed.

darkseid also used tempest in owaw to bfr imperiex. these 2 are more than role players