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Fight to the Death or KO; No BFR...who wins?

Tiamut easily

Team wins.

A Celestial vs these small fries?

Tiamut the Communicator FTW

Originally posted by iceman24567
A Celestial vs these small fries?

Ask the Celestials what "small fry" Sue Richards did to one of them.

Or Jean Grey with a sliver of the PF.

Or Thor going all out.

What about when Celestials brought planets to a fight with the IG planets. Thanos didn't want any part of the two planets smashing into each other while he faced Hunger and was just two planets. Celestials were in command of an army of them. Thor only managed to stun a Celestial thats all. He was drop with one shot by a Celestial.

Originally posted by golem370
What about when Celestials brought planets to a fight with the IG planets. Thanos didn't want any part of the two planets smashing into each other while he faced Hunger and was just two planets. Celestials were in command of an army of them.

Key word being "Celestial(S)" as in plural. There's only one here. And hurling planets at Tyrant? LOL. Good luck with that.

If Thor, Jean with a sliver of the PF, and Sue (exploiting their hyperspace weakness) can harm and even kill a Celestial. These three can too.

Its was a alternate reality with Sue. Thanos calculated Galactus had 60% chance of surviving those planets colliding and Galactus say he had barely survived it.

Originally posted by golem370
Its was a alternate reality with Sue. Thanos Calculated Galactus had 60% chance of surviving those planets collide and Galactus say he had barely survived it.

No it wasn't. It was mainstream Marvel 616 reality. Celestials can be pwned if you exploit their hyperspace weakness.

Tyrant isn't Galactus. Hurling worlds at him is meaningless. And that's a low showing for Galactus (as per usual) seeing as how he's survived in the hearts of stars without even flinching.

Yeah depowere tyrant is weaker then Galactus. Thanos stood toe to toe with D-tyrant where he was worried for his life messing with Big G. Celestials being beat by Sue wasn't a low showing. They defeated the earth Skyfather who had prep before they arrived.

Originally posted by golem370
Yeah depowere tyrant is weaker then Galactus. Thanos stood toe to toe with D-tyrant where he was worried for his life messing with Big G. Celestials being beat by Sue wasn't a low showing. They defeated the earth Skyfather who had prep before they arrived.

What about Jean with a sliver of the PF blasting Arshiem's Hand of Judgement clean off?

Or Thor cracking Exitar's skull and punching a hole into his outer shell.

DP Tyrant is NOT weaker than Galactus. I suggest you go check out his respect thread on this forum. Galactus was in FEAR of his life even before they fought and mentioned it on panel, hell the Surfer even felt his fear through a bond they share.

Team wins.

Tiamut wins this.

The Celestials were not theatened by Thor only reason he got as far as he did. Thanos said before he attacked Galactus that his power was lilliputian compared to Galactus if Depowered Tyrant was more powerful then Galactus do you think he would have attacked him? Destroyer cut the arm off a celestial but was totalled but other Celestials.

This one would all depend upon how powerful Tyrant became. If he could somehow absorb Tiamut's cosmic energy, I think that the team would have a very good chance. If not.... well you know.

This is pathetic. No one on Team has any exploitable weaknesses and it's debated if two of it's members can even be killed.

Tiamut, like ALL Celestials, has a huge hyperspace weakness that can be exploited.

Barring that, I think Team can bring FAR more destructive power to the table than either Thor or Jean with a sliver of the PF. Thor managed to crack Exitar's outer shell then crush his skull and Jean blew off Arshiem's god damn hand.

But no, Team has no chance

Originally posted by golem370
The Celestials were not theatened by Thor only reason he got as far as he did. Thanos said before he attacked Galactus that his power was lilliputian compared to Galactus if Depowered Tyrant was more powerful then Galactus do you think he would have attacked him? Destroyer cut the arm off a celestial but was totalled but other Celestials.

It was EIGHT Celestials vs Odinforce Destroyer.

It should also be noted that Thor took repeated shots by angry Celestials and didn't die. If Thor can do it, Tyrant and Thanos should be able to manage that feat.

The only chance they would have is with prep which on this thread they have none.

It also be noted that Thor was dropped with one shot by a Celestial.

Originally posted by golem370
The only chance they would have is with prep which on this thread they have none.

Wrong. Did Sue have prep? Did Thor have prep? Did Jean with sliver of the PF have prep?

No right? So why would Team need prep. They have Thanos on team, "with prep" they annihilate Tiamut.

Originally posted by golem370
It also be noted that Thor was dropped with one shot by a Celestial.

When? He was "dropped" from the sky but alive and fully conscious. So if he can survive multiple Celestial strikes, Thanos and Tyrant can too.

EDIT -
Here's the proof :
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1526/thor30031.th.jpg

Three shots from three different Celestials and he's still alive and conscious.

Tiamut puts the smack down on the team!

Thor book forgot which number don't want to look for it. It should be in Celestial respect thread.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Tiamut puts the smack down on the team!

Tiamut was having fits (shuddering and moaning) at the coming of Set. He'll sh|t his pants against these three.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tiamut wins this.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/golem370/Celestials.jpg

Originally posted by the Darkone
Tiamut puts the smack down on the team! This

Originally posted by golem370
stuff

Thor -
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/716/2499182361532hg6xw3supe.th.jpg http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9805/thorvscelestials16.th.jpg

Sue -
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24845/1071596-f43_super.jpg

Jean -
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/377/xfactor050page27vl3.th.jpg

If these guys did that kind of damage, imagine what this team can do?

Team destroys him.

Nah

Tiamut stomps and does not even realize a battle just occurred since he ends it so fast

Originally posted by zopzop
It was EIGHT Celestials vs Odinforce Destroyer.

It should also be noted that Thor took repeated shots by angry Celestials and didn't die. If Thor can do it, Tyrant and Thanos should be able to manage that feat. It's called PIS.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Tiamut puts the smack down on the team!

Tiamut. Anyone who doubts that should see how many Celestials it took to put him down the first time.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's called PIS.

That wasn't PIS, when Thor got swatted by the Celestials they weren't tried to Kill him, if they wanted too they would have blink out of existences. OF Destroyer was just annoying fly that got splatter!


The Dreaming Celestial/ Taimut and Exitar are consider the most powerful Celestials and could be that Taimut is the most powerful outside of scathan.

Originally posted by the Darkone
That wasn't PIS, when Thor got swatted by the Celestials they weren't tried to Kill him, if they wanted too they would have blink out of existences. OF Destroyer was just annoying fly that got splatter!


The Dreaming Celestial/ Taimut and Exitar are consider the most powerful Celestials and could be that Taimut is the most powerful outside of scathan.

It was PIS...

On panel, the Celestials response to Thor was described as merciless; there is no way in hell Thor should have been able to withstand their assault...especially since the 2000ft Destroyer could not.

Tiamut crushes them. WTF is with zopzop bringing up Arishem's hand lost when Tiamut choke that ***** Arishem? Another weaker celestial has reformed from his arm being cut off. And Exitar wasn't paying attention to Sue. She had to journey into his brain to do that. This is a fight and none of the combatants is going to come close to achiving anything if Tiamut wants them dead. Since when is either Exitar or Arishem the equal of Tiamut. Tyrant has screamed in pain against a ***** with a stick and got knocked around by thanos, odin's whipping boy.

Yeah too bad Tyrant has never been killed by a meta level character (aka the IW) like Exitar has.

Too bad Tyrant didn't turn tail and run after having a body part of his blown off like Arshiem has (Jean with a sliver of the PF).

Too bad Tyrant didn't have his outer shell and later his skull crushed by a high herald level character like Exitar has.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah too bad Tyrant has never been killed by a meta level character (aka the IW) like Exitar has.

Too bad Tyrant didn't turn tail and run after having a body part of his blown off like Arshiem has (Jean with a sliver of the PF).

Too bad Tyrant didn't have his outer shell and later his skull crushed by a high herald level character like Exitar has.

In all fairness though zopzop, all three of those examples are PIS...

Celestials losing limbs was shown to be nothing to them (as is evidenced in Thor 300); Arishem should have regenerated the hand effortlessly and went on to destroy that worlds inhabitance...

The Sue Richards incident was extreme PIS; need a really bother defending this one? You know full well that this was PIS just as I do...

Thor having such success against Exitar was PIS as well...especially considering that the 2000ft Destroyers "planet pulverizing" blows did absolutely nothing to the Celestials... as well as the fact that the Distintegrator beam from the 2000ft Destroyer was useless against them.


There is no PIS in a forum fight; those examples are useless here as a result...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In all fairness though zopzop, all three of those examples are PIS...

Celestials losing limbs was shown to be nothing to them (as is evidenced in Thor 300); Arishem should have regenerated the hand effortlessly and went on to destroy that worlds inhabitance...

The Sue Richards incident was extreme PIS; need a really bother defending this one? You know full well that this was PIS just as I do...

Thor having such success against Exitar was PIS as well...especially considering that the 2000ft Destroyers "planet pulverizing" blows did absolutely nothing to the Celestials... as well as the fact that the Distintegrator beam from the 2000ft Destroy was useless against them.


There is no PIS in a forum fight; those examples are useless here as a result...

No offense LoM, but you are not being fair. You want to use ONE appearance decades ago and then discount every subsequent showing as PIS?

Maybe the Celestials have been massively written down since then? Since that issue that everyone keeps referencing what have they done on panel that was so stupendous? Fling 3-4 worlds at Thanos during the IG saga? Odin busts GALAXIES. Necrom with a sliver of the PF destroyed an entire solar system. What have they done? Who have they defeated?

Scathan defeated Protege...

Lol when did ol' one eye "bust galaxies"

@zopzop

You reference characters being written down from decades past, yet you mention Odin busting Galaxies; Odin never accomplished such a feat before or after that event with Seth...

In addition, during the IG saga, the writter made it clear what he (and this was approved by Marvel evidently) thought of the Skyfathers and true cosmics; The Skyfathers were landlocked in Asgard and unable to attend the battle with Thanos while the Celestials werent stopped in similar fashion...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzop

You reference characters being written down from decades past, yet you mention Odin busting Galaxies; Odin never accomplished such a feat before or after that event with Seth...

In addition, during the IG saga, the writter made it clear what he (and this was approved by Marvel evidently) thought of the Skyfathers and true cosmics; The Skyfathers were landlocked in Asgard and unable to attend the battle with Thanos while the Celestials werent stopped in similar fashion...

But he did bust galaxies before his fight with Seth. It's in his respect thread.

Regarding the Skyfathers being stranded in Asgard during the IG saga, if that's all we saw of them and they had no other feats, I'd agree. But the Seth/Amnesiac Odin fight took place after that and it was a multiverse rocker.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah too bad Tyrant has never been killed by a meta level character (aka the IW) like Exitar has.

Too bad Tyrant didn't turn tail and run after having a body part of his blown off like Arshiem has (Jean with a sliver of the PF).

Too bad Tyrant didn't have his outer shell and later his skull crushed by a high herald level character like Exitar has.

Neither has Tiamut. When has any of those things happened to Tiamut? Arishem was getting abused by Tiamut until the entire host jumped in. Galactus raped Thanos while Tyrant got worked by the Titan. Lol. Tiamut mere awakening put Galactus in fear. You put three stooges up against Tiamut and think they stand a chance? Tiamut has only lost against the enitre host so try again.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Neither has Tiamut. When has any of those things happened to Tiamut? Arishem was getting abused by Tiamut until the entire host jumped in. Galactus raped Thanos while Tyrant got worked by the Titan. Lol. Tiamut mere awakening put Galactus in fear. You put three stooges up against Tiamut and think they stand a chance? Tiamut has only lost against the enitre host so try again.

Tiamut was shuddering and moaning at the coming of Set.

Fact is FAR less than skyfather level of power has damaged and even killed a Celestial. This team destroys Tiamut.

Originally posted by zopzop
Tiamut was shuddering and moaning at the coming of Set.

Fact is FAR less than skyfather level of power has damaged and even killed a Celestial. This team destroys Tiamut.

So now tyrant is more powerful than Set? Lol. And Tiamut was asleep and vulnerable so what's your point. Galactus didn't give a damn about Tiamut until
he had awakened. Do you comprehend your argument? That's like saying Gaea Isn't afraid of Set when he's stuck in his Dimension. He was so powerful that the other Celestials put him to sleep. Lol at a sleeping Tiamut being the equal of an awakened Tiamut that Galactus took notice and fear.

Gaea wouldn't even dare challenge the Celestials when the entire earth patheon fought futily. But Tyrant and his crew are going to beat Tiamut?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So now tyrant is more powerful than Set? Lol. And Tiamut was asleep and vulnerable so what's your point. Galactus didn't give a damn about Tiamut until
he had awakened. Do you comprehend your argument? That's like saying Gaea Isn't afraid of Set when he's stuck in his Dimension. He was so powerful that the other Celestials put him to sleep. Lol at a sleeping Tiamut being the equal of an awakened Tiamut that Galactus took notice and fear.

Gaea wouldn't even dare challenge the Celestials when the entire earth patheon fought futily. But Tyrant and his crew are going to beat Tiamut?

Why would a sleeping Celestial fear a mere Elder God? What would Set have to do with him? They've never encountered each other and how would Set even know who Tiamut is (let alone where Tiamut is imprisoned). But Tiamut knew of Set and trembled.

Gaea wouldn't dare to challenge them because the way they were written during that arc, they were unbeatable. But we've seen how far they've fallen. Meta tier, high herald tier, and low trans tier beings are causing real damage to them or outright killing them.

Originally posted by zopzop
Why would a sleeping Celestial fear a mere Elder God? What would Set have to do with him? They've never encountered each other and how would Set even know who Tiamut is (let alone where Tiamut is imprisoned). But Tiamut knew of Set and trembled.

Gaea wouldn't dare to challenge them because the way they were written during that arc, they were unbeatable. But we've seen how far they've fallen. Meta tier, high herald tier, and low trans tier beings are causing real damage to them or outright killing them.

he shudder because he knew of Set's power. Why wouldn't he know of the elder gods when the celestials are the explorers of the universe and seeded of mutantions? They are as old as the watchers and far more advanced. Not to mention Tiamut has a degree of cosmic awareness. And Tiamut was so weak that a deviant stole his power.

As for your none sense about About metas, no of those apply to Tiamut. It's like saying since Odin is an asgardian he would lose to hulk since Thor has. Furthermore, tiamuts appearance in eternals was after those low celestial showings as well. Tiamut didn't bother And still k.o.Ed Thena when she attack his feet in Hercules. Most books you reference are in the 90s and before. Tiamut's showings are in 2000+ so I don't vet where this argument is coming from that the Celetials, ESP Tiamut got a downgrade.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
he shudder because he knew of Set's power. Why wouldn't he know of the elder gods when the celestials are the explorers of the universe and seeded of mutantions? They are as old as the watchers and far more advanced. Not to mention Tiamut has a degree of cosmic awareness. And Tiamut was so weak that a deviant stole his power.

As for your none sense about About metas, no of those apply to Tiamut. It's like saying since Odin is an asgardian he would lose to hulk since Thor has. Furthermore, tiamuts appearance in eternals was after those low celestial showings as well. Tiamut didn't bother And still k.o.Ed Thena when she attack his feet in Hercules. Most books you reference are in the 90s and before. Tiamut's showings are in 2000+ so I don't vet where this argument is coming from that the Celetials,
ESP Tiamut got a downgrade.

The Elder Gods were on Earth (and gone) billions of years before the Celestials stepped foot there. It was only after the age of dinosaurs when they showed up and began experimenting on the ape-men they found. Tiamut wasn't even in the First Host, he was part of the Second Host that came even later than that.

Regarding Ghaur stealing Tiamut's power : It wasn't that he was so weak that Ghaur stole his power, the story was more involved than that. It culminates with Ghaur gaining Tiamut's power then Tiamut taking control of Ghaur and forcing him to dig him out, the Eternals form a Uni-Mind and psi-blast Ghaur to death.

What showings do Celestials have 2000+ that make them something special? The only one that comes to mind is them holding off the Galactus Engine with T/A and Galactus. But right before it all goes down hill they are nowhere to be found and it's Galactus by himself holding the Engine off (stated on panel by the SS too).

Originally posted by zopzop
The Elder Gods were on Earth (and gone) billions of years before the Celestials stepped foot there. It was only after the age of dinosaurs when they showed up and began experimenting on the ape-men they found. Tiamut wasn't even in the First Host, he was part of the Second Host that came even later than that.

Oh right, it's not like cosmic beings that are more advanced than the Watchers would be able to transcend time or mind read the life on Earth for clues, life like the Serpent Men and the demons spawns of Chthon. Time manipulation and telepathy are only limited to lower life forms that the Celestials created. Yup!



Tiamut was still weak enough for Ghaur to steal it's power. Ghaur is leagues below an Elder God like Set. Tiamut was weak enough that an Elder God made him shudder. How is this so hard to understand? A sleeping Tiamut is lesser in power than an awakened Tiamut.



WTF does the Galactus and the GE have another to do with this? Nobody on Tyrants time is a match for Galactus. Tyrant couldn't even handle Thanos right. Except for exploiting Galactus' weakness, Tyrant wouldn't do shit to guys like Tenebrous and Arishem.

Aside from consuming the Deviants like they were "caviar"? And create top tiers like Sersi, Ikaris, Ajak, and skyfather beings like Zuras?

Lets skip this Celestial business because Tiamut is in this fight, not any Celestial. You're skirting the issue again.

- Tiamut caused the universe and Galactus to shudder in fear and a Watcher to avert his gaze
- One shot koed uni-mind of Zuras, Ikaras, Thena, Druig, & Ajak. Zuras is Zeus equal in the past.
- One-shot Thena with her own attack without even bother to try. Simply reflect of his body.

Tyrant failed to put Thanos down and took several shots to put down Surfer. Tiamut one-shotted the combined form of the Eternals that included Zuras. Tyrant can't do a damn thing to Tiamut at all. His allies bring nothing to this at all.

Sprite used Tiamut's reality warping powers to change the Eternals to humans


Tiamut

before time...made stars

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/417/eternals006002.th.jpg


enough energies to push the time rip...humbles the uni-mind

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5389/eternals006030.th.jpg


"tell them this"

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/4198/eternals006035.th.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
Sprite used Tiamut's reality warping powers to change the Eternals to humans


Tiamut

before time...made stars

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/417/eternals006002.th.jpg


enough energies to push the time rip...humbles the uni-mind

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5389/eternals006030.th.jpg


"tell them this"

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/4198/eternals006035.th.jpg

Some of that is hyperbole, I mean Thanos claimed Tyrant and Galactus destroyed entire galaxies in their battle but we saw no on panel proof. Galactus told the Surfer he chickened out of a fight with Tryant because the damage to the universe would be unthinkable (or something to that effect), yet when they fought nothing happened.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Oh right, it's not like cosmic beings that are more advanced than the Watchers would be able to transcend time or mind read the life on Earth for clues, life like the Serpent Men and the demons spawns of Chthon. Time manipulation and telepathy are only limited to lower life forms that the Celestials created. Yup!



Tiamut was still weak enough for Ghaur to steal it's power. Ghaur is leagues below an Elder God like Set. Tiamut was weak enough that an Elder God made him shudder. How is this so hard to understand? A sleeping Tiamut is lesser in power than an awakened Tiamut.



WTF does the Galactus and the GE have another to do with this? Nobody on Tyrants time is a match for Galactus. Tyrant couldn't even handle Thanos right. Except for exploiting Galactus' weakness, Tyrant wouldn't do shit to guys like Tenebrous and Arishem.

Aside from consuming the Deviants like they were "caviar"? And create top tiers like Sersi, Ikaris, Ajak, and skyfather beings like Zuras?

Lets skip this Celestial business because Tiamut is in this fight, not any Celestial. You're skirting the issue again.

- Tiamut caused the universe and Galactus to shudder in fear and a Watcher to avert his gaze
- One shot koed uni-mind of Zuras, Ikaras, Thena, Druig, & Ajak. Zuras is Zeus equal in the past.
- One-shot Thena with her own attack without even bother to try. Simply reflect of his body.

Tyrant failed to put Thanos down and took several shots to put down Surfer. Tiamut one-shotted the combined form of the Eternals that included Zuras. Tyrant can't do a damn thing to Tiamut at all. His allies bring nothing to this at all.

Tiamut never encountered the Serpent Men that was the First Host. He didn't come around till MUCH later. Even then there was no on panel proof he knew of them when the Second Host arrived and began experimenting.

The Eternals were just coming out of their collective amnesia it's not exactly an 'awesome' feat that he undid their Uni-Mind.

Thanos had 6 issues of prep called "Cosmic Powers" where he basically got all the info he could on Tyrant and set out to confront him. He made a beeline to Terrax who informed him that the Orbs were both his greatest asset and largest vulnerability if used against him. Then what does Thanos do? Gets his hands on an Orb and challenges Tyrant. Even then he wound up RUNNING when Tryant was about to get serious. It's right there on panel.

Tyrant HAS one shotted Surfer. It's in his respect thread.

Regarding T/A, Galactus took them on PLUS Diableri and killed Diableri and imprisoned T/A/and Antiphon. A Fed and prepped Galactus got PUNKED then killed by Tyrant. T/A attacked Galactus by suprise as he was about to feed on a planet! Not the same thing now is it? The Surfer even mentioned that through the rapport they shared he could sense Galactus' fear!

Originally posted by zopzop
Some of that is hyperbole, I mean Thanos claimed Tyrant and Galactus destroyed entire galaxies in their battle but we saw no on panel proof. Galactus told the Surfer he chickened out of a fight with Tryant because the damage to the universe would be unthinkable (or something to that effect), yet when they fought nothing happened.

WTF is hyperbole about Galactus himself fearing Tiamut? So the K.O.ing a unison of Eternals is hyperbole too? You some how think Tyrant is a universal power when he couldn't take down Thanos and took several shots to beat Surfer. Then claim Tiamut's feats are hyperbole when Tiamut out right beat down Arishem and was locked away by the combined might of the entire host? lol

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
WTF is hyperbole about Galactus himself fearing Tiamut? So the K.O.ing a unison of Eternals is hyperbole too? You some how think Tyrant is a universal power when he couldn't take down Thanos and took several shots to beat Surfer. Then claim Tiamut's feats are hyperbole when Tiamut out right beat down Arishem and was locked away by the combined might of the entire host? lol

What part of SOME OF THAT is hyperbole don't you get? The first scan is for sure.

Tyrant is a 'universal' power because he's connected and draws power from EVERY PLANET In the Universe. This was stated both by him AND Galactus. It's not like I'm making this crap up.

Originally posted by zopzop
Tiamut never encountered the Serpent Men that was the First Host. He didn't come around till MUCH later. Even then there was no on panel proof he knew of them when the Second Host arrived and began experimenting.

LMAO. So Celestials, researchers of the universe, don't communicate with one another and share their research even though that's what they do. Oh there's proof, he knew of Set. Duh!



WTF? Since when does amnesia limit their powers and durability? For people with amnesia they sure remember how to form the uni-mind instantly. One-shot k.o.! How is it not awesome when the previous uni-mind was k.o.ed in one-shot by lesser Celestials? Here I thought amnesia meant lost of memory, but I guess it means power and durability according to you. Lol.

amnesia
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=amnesia&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=zUxPToClEqbRiALIsbSbAQ&ved=0CB8QkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=4ce734a7da4ce7e2&biw=1280&bih=605



?Tyrant was having trouble with Surfer and crew. That orb argument has been done to death. Some say it gave Thanos a boost others argued it didn't. None of that changes that fact that Tyrant couldn't one-shot Surfer and crew like Odin does numerous times against top tiers and heralds alike. Tyrant was knocked around by Terrax and Ganymede. Even his eyes beams could only daze Gladiator. Odin one-shot Surfer, Drax, Annihilus, Ulik. The same Odin that had back up and failed to even harm Arishem. The same Arishem that got beaten down by Tiamut.



Lol. After he'd drain their powers for a while. Then couldn't even put down Jack Of Hearts in one shot at all. JOH freed the others. And you do know one-shot means putting an opponent down and out of a fight right? He merely blasted Surfer back and you see Surfer back in action taking out drones two pages later aiding Ganymede. In that page between that, Tyrant attacks Bill and Gladiator and fails to one-shot both. If you bothered to count from the actual books and not just scans, it Tyrant took 3 shots against each Bill, Surfer, and Gladiator to subdue them. There were never any one-shot K.O.s for any of them. And all of them were fought him in their weakened state.

Where's this one-shot you're telling me?

You do remember when Galactus one-shot Bill and Stardust with a clap? That's a one-shot. What Odin did was a one-shot. What Tyrant did was 3 shot people who he drained of power.



Feed on a planet? Where does it say he was feeding on that planet again? They were Galactus' equal and nowhere was it mentioned that Galactus was weakened or feeding on a planet.

So on panel Galactus killed Diableri in right? You say that or was it just narration with no explanation of how Diableri was slain? Because Tenebrous gave Galactus a fight and stalemated him. Galactus on panel couldn't take out Tenebrous head on. How's Tyrant going to be Tenebrous? Feed on Tenebrous' biosphere powers that he doesn't use?

Wait, so Galactus was killed by Tyrant? Scans? Here I thought Tyrant was exploiting a weakness. lol.

So again, what's Tyrant going to do to Tiamut? Tiamut steps on Tyrant.

Originally posted by zopzop
What part of SOME OF THAT is hyperbole don't you get? The first scan is for sure.

Tyrant is a 'universal' power because he's connected and draws power from EVERY PLANET In the Universe. This was stated both by him AND Galactus. It's not like I'm making this crap up.

Lol, you say some of that without specifying anything then whine when I criticize you?

Tyrant is universal power because he's connected to every planet in the universe? So if he's universal in power then how come it took him 3 tries to down each herald level character that was already depleted of power? Tiamut downs a unison of 4 heralds & 1 skyfather level in one-shot. I guess that makes Tiamut multiversal in power then. This is fun. Tiamut stomps Tyrant.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
LMAO. So Celestials, researchers of the universe, don't communicate with one another and share their research even though that's what they do. Oh there's proof, he knew of Set. Duh!



WTF? Since when does amnesia limit their powers and durability? For people with amnesia they sure remember how to form the uni-mind instantly. One-shot k.o.! How is it not awesome when the previous uni-mind was k.o.ed in one-shot by lesser Celestials? Here I thought amnesia meant lost of memory, but I guess it means power and durability according to you. Lol.

amnesia
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?Tyrant was having trouble with Surfer and crew. That orb argument has been done to death. Some say it gave Thanos a boost others argued it didn't. None of that changes that fact that Tyrant couldn't one-shot Surfer and crew like Odin does numerous times against top tiers and heralds alike. Tyrant was knocked around by Terrax and Ganymede. Even his eyes beams could only daze Gladiator. Odin one-shot Surfer, Drax, Annihilus, Ulik. The same Odin that had back up and failed to even harm Arishem. The same Arishem that got beaten down by Tiamut.



Lol. After he'd drain their powers for a while. Then couldn't even put down Jack Of Hearts in one shot at all. JOH freed the others. And you do know one-shot means putting an opponent down and out of a fight right? He merely blasted Surfer back and you see Surfer back in action taking out drones two pages later aiding Ganymede. In that page between that, Tyrant attacks Bill and Gladiator and fails to one-shot both. If you bothered to count from the actual books and not just scans, it Tyrant took 3 shots against each Bill, Surfer, and Gladiator to subdue them. There were never any one-shot K.O.s for any of them. And all of them were fought him in their weakened state.

Where's this one-shot you're telling me?

You do remember when Galactus one-shot Bill and Stardust with a clap? That's a one-shot. What Odin did was a one-shot. What Tyrant did was 3 shot people who he drained of power.



Feed on a planet? Where does it say he was feeding on that planet again? They were Galactus' equal and nowhere was it mentioned that Galactus was weakened or feeding on a planet.

So on panel Galactus killed Diableri in right? You say that or was it just narration with no explanation of how Diableri was slain? Because Tenebrous gave Galactus a fight and stalemated him. Galactus on panel couldn't take out Tenebrous head on. How's Tyrant going to be Tenebrous? Feed on Tenebrous' biosphere powers that he doesn't use?

Wait, so Galactus was killed by Tyrant? Scans? Here I thought Tyrant was exploiting a weakness. lol.

So again, what's Tyrant going to do to Tiamut? Tiamut steps on Tyrant.

You love to ramble on. There is NO proof that Tiamut knew of Set or encountered any of Set's spawn on panel PERIOD. If you got proof post it, I don't want to here your "just so" stories.

Here is Tyrant casually swatting Surfer and Ganymede :
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The only reason they are alive is because he drains all his victims. Yet Surfer took repeated hits from T/A and didn't go down. T/A couldn't put down the freaking Surfer and there was TWO of them.

On panel Galactus told Surfer "Diableri died by my hand" and that he imprisoned his lieutenants (T/A) and Antiphon in the Kyln. DP Tyrant punked Galactus and Galactus made the excuse to Surfer that the universe would suffer too much collateral damage if he confronted him. On panel we have Galactus on a world totally unprepared for T/A and he was still holding his own till Aegis cheapshotted him from behind. Galactus was in FEAR of Tyrant, the Surfer even said so on panel. Galactus prepped and fed on a world that he said made him feel more powerful than he has in ages and he STILL lost to Tyrant.

The "Orb" argument has ON PANEL PROOF that Terrax told Thanos that they were his biggest asset and largest vulnerability if used against him. I can provide you the on panel proof (it's in his respect thread), but what's the point?

So you have Tiamut ganking Eternals that just came out of an amnesiac state and what else? Oh that's right........

Originally posted by zopzop
You love to ramble on. There is NO proof that Tiamut knew of Set or encountered any of Set's spawn on panel PERIOD. If you got proof post it, I don't want to here your "just so" stories.

Here is Tyrant casually swatting Surfer and Ganymede :
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The only reason they are alive is because he drains all his victims. Yet Surfer took repeated hits from T/A and didn't go down. T/A couldn't put down the freaking Surfer and there was TWO of them.

He didn't one-shot k.o. Surfer in this scan at all either. He failed miserably when they escaped. He didn't one-shot herald level at all.



Lol. Tyrant exploited a weakness so Galactus would only power him up with attacks. Stop playing it up like Tyrant would take an attack from Tiamut the same way. This is the same Tyrant that take 3 tries to take down heralds. Universal in power? lol



So Bill, JOH, Gladiator, and Surfer were holding orbs?



Oh snap, because Celestials have never beaten down the Uni-Mind without amnesia involved. Oh wait....
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Oh look, 3 Skyfather failing against Arishem.
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Look at them bow.
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Look at Arishem after the beat down Tiamut gave him.
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Lol. Skyfathers.

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tiamut FTW.

Originally posted by zopzop
Tiamut was shuddering and moaning at the coming of Set.

Fact is FAR less than skyfather level of power has damaged and even killed a Celestial. This team destroys Tiamut.


lol.

Thanos is smart enough to beg for mercy. The rest don't even understand their demise.

indeed

Tiamut is fulcrum's equal. He wins this.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He didn't one-shot k.o. Surfer in this scan at all either. He failed miserably when they escaped. He didn't one-shot herald level at all.



Lol. Tyrant exploited a weakness so Galactus would only power him up with attacks. Stop playing it up like Tyrant would take an attack from Tiamut the same way. This is the same Tyrant that take 3 tries to take down heralds. Universal in power? lol



So Bill, JOH, Gladiator, and Surfer were holding orbs?



Oh snap, because Celestials have never beaten down the Uni-Mind without amnesia involved. Oh wait....
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Oh look, 3 Skyfather failing against Arishem.
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Look at them bow.
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Look at Arishem after the beat down Tiamut gave him.
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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Lol. Skyfathers.

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What's the point of those OLD Celestial scans from Thor 300? Everyone has seen them. Show the scans of them repeatedly firing at Thor and not only is Thor still alive but fully conscious. That was a low showing for the skyfathers, three of them struck with enough force to knock a world from it's orbit?! LOL Odin by himself is a confirmed galaxy buster (and yes there is on panel proof).

I've shown you more recent scans of IW (a high meta character) busting a hole through Exitar's armor then KILLING him. Celestials have a hyperspace weakness. I've shown you scans of a high herald busting a hole in Exitar's armor then crushing his skull (which was said to be even sturdier than his outer shell) without exploiting ANY weakness. I've shown you a high herald/low trans character, Jean with a sliver of the PF, blow Arshiem's hand CLEAN OFF, then the he and the other Celestials departed the planet and didn't pass judgement his stump still smoldering.

In the very same issue where Tyrant didn't "one shot" those heralds, he PUNKED Galactus. Galacuts lied to the Surfer and claimed that he didnt' want to face Tyrant because of the collateral damage to the universe!

PS, Didn't Tiamut "sucker punch" aka attack from behind Arshiem? Or am I misremembering?

Originally posted by zopzop
What's the point of those OLD Celestial scans from Thor 300? Everyone has seen them. Show the scans of them repeatedly firing at Thor and not only is Thor still alive but fully conscious. That was a low showing for the skyfathers, three of them struck with enough force to knock a world from it's orbit?! LOL Odin by himself is a confirmed galaxy buster (and yes there is on panel proof).

I've shown you more recent scans of IW (a high meta character) busting a hole through Exitar's armor then KILLING him. Celestials have a hyperspace weakness. I've shown you scans of a high herald busting a hole in Exitar's armor then crushing his skull (which was said to be even sturdier than his outer shell) without exploiting ANY weakness. I've shown you a high herald/low trans character, Jean with a sliver of the PF, blow Arshiem's hand CLEAN OFF, then the he and the other Celestials departed the planet and didn't pass judgement his stump still smoldering.

In the very same issue where Tyrant didn't "one shot" those heralds, he PUNKED Galactus. Galacuts lied to the Surfer and claimed that he didnt' want to face Tyrant because of the collateral damage to the universe!

PS, Didn't Tiamut "sucker punch" aka attack from behind Arshiem? Or am I misremembering?

Poor zozop, fooling himself yet again. Tyrant is dogshit that couldn't even oneshot heralds. Beating galactus by feeding on that same energy? Lol Tiamut would kick Galsctus ass straight up without exploiting any weakness. Do ever stop looking stupid? This ***** fAiled at taking thanos down and you think he can beat Tiamut? Lol

Oh shit blowing off a Celestials hand is a win now? Attacking a celestial that doesn't fight back is a feat? And I've shown you three skyfather shit and bowed before Arishem whom Tiamut crushed. When blowing off tiamut's hand stops him, then you would have an argument. That shit hasn't happened to tiamut. Neither arishem or exitar were focus on their attackers. Neither are on tiamut's level. Take your bullshit else because he believes you crap. You're not an exper; your just a deluded fanboy.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Poor zozop, fooling himself yet again. Tyrant is dogshit that couldn't even oneshot heralds. Beating galactus by feeding on that same energy? Lol Tiamut would kick Galsctus ass straight up without exploiting any weakness. Do ever stop looking stupid? This ***** fAiled at taking thanos down and you think he can beat Tiamut? Lol

Oh shit blowing off a Celestials hand is a win now? Attacking a celestial that doesn't fight back is a feat? And I've shown you three skyfather shit and bowed before Arishem whom Tiamut crushed. When blowing off tiamut's hand stops him, then you would have an argument. That shit hasn't happened to tiamut. Neither arishem or exitar were focus on their attackers. Neither are on tiamut's level. Take your bullshit else because he believes you crap. You're not an exper; your just a deluded fanboy.

A few things, like I said, the Eternals were NOT at full power (only Ikaris was) for that Uni-Mind, Zuras stated this himself on panel :
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8474/eternals006027.th.jpg
So there goes that feat/fight.

Regarding the "epic" throwdown between Arshiem and Tiamut, look how the mighty Celestials bury one of their own :
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Multiple Celestials using tech to lift that chunk of mountain to bury Tiamut under. Look at a "lowly" skyfather Zeus heaves an entire volcano by himself and bury Typhon underneath it :

Tiamut claimed the battle shook the Earth to it's foundations. Yet Thanos claimed when Tyrant and Galactus threwdown entire GALAXIES were destroyed.
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5369/eternals03014copy.th.jpg VS http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4600/cosmicpowers06tyrantpag.th.jpg

Face it, the Celestials have been written down a lot since Thor 300. Hell, in that very issue, MULTIPLE blasts from varying Celestials couldn't KO or kill Thor.

That's tyrant before galactus drained him and shrank him. Dp power tyrant's figt with thanos created a little crater. Universal power my ass. What's tyrant going to do him Tiamut with so much power that it creates a crater the size of an ant hole at Tiamuts feet? Drain on TiAmuts attack that different from galactus' energy. Take those claws and furiosly cut at tiamuts feet only for tiamut to step on him. Tyrant is the new wasp.



oh snap, So the entire host was so weak from their subduing Tiamut that the needed team effort to do what a skyfather? This is in addition to him beating arishem, who humbled 3 skyfathers. So even after he beat arishem, he was still so powerful the host were weakened thanks.

How come you say the Celestials have been written down since Thor 300 yet even skyfather level beings and cube beings acknowledge their might?

The skyfathers were written out of IG saga because they would contributed nothing agains thanos. They were used in The End and a number of them was turned to dust by a akhenaten. Thanos with the heart destroys a Celetial and Galactus was shooked that one was actually killed. Starlin's opinon is obvious that celestials were greater than skyfathers. Destroying the armor is one thing, killing a celestial is a different matter and the entire host could not kill tiamut, only bury him. An enitre host join force to subdue on confine Tiamut. Tyrant unleashes his fury on creates a pot hole and you argue Tyrant can take a being like Tiamut? Even Franklin richards who's created a pocket universe will be their level, not above it.

Pot-hole-Pete Tyrant loses.

@WhiteWitchKing

Dude you keep bringing up that Thor 300 issue and using it as a cudgel against Team but a lot has happened since that issue was released. Meta's, High Heralds, and low Trans Tiers have damaged and even killed Celestials. They have a HUGE weakness to hyperspace based abilities and it hasn't been retconned. Even without the weakness exploit, FAR FAR less than the combined power of this team has busted a hole in their shell, cracked their skull and blew off their hand.

Originally posted by zopzop
@WhiteWitchKing

Dude you keep bringing up that Thor 300 issue and using it as a cudgel against Team but a lot has happened since that issue was released. Meta's, High Heralds, and low Trans Tiers have damaged and even killed Celestials. They have a HUGE weakness to hyperspace based abilities and it hasn't been retconned. Even without the weakness exploit, FAR FAR less than the combined power of this team has busted a hole in their shell, cracked their skull and blew off their hand.

That one time with Sue regarding hyper space where she had to destroy the brain and exitar wasn't really fighting her? Dude don't complain about Thor 300 when u bring up one time occurence while ignoring that Kubik sought to avoid coming near a Celestial or how hyperspace weakness wasn't exploited by the other Celestials on Tiamut. If it was so easy how come GalActus and the Watcher feared Tiamut if hyperspace was so easy exploitable on a Celestial? Hell, how come Sue didn't just destory Exitar's entire form without needing to put herself in danger by going inside Exitar. You act as if Tyrant would havve any chance of Entering tiamut's armor if he consciously decide to regenerate any damage done. So blowing a hole or hand is a win now.

Tyrant's best effort put a crater in the ground that would be an ANT HOLE at Tiamuts feet. If hyperspace was easily exploited Zuras and the Eternals would not have feared Tiamut. Watcher would been like ummm...so a Celestial awoke...I'll just take that gun that taps into hyperspace and kill him. He wouldn't have averted his eyes. Tyrant can't even one-shot a Jack of Hearts and u think he'll pose any threat to Tiamut who would regen from any attacks and kill the annoyance just by stepping on him. Face it, Tyrant has never beaten any one above trans at all. He never actually beat Galactus either and couldn't ko thanos. Face it, Tiamut didn't just blow a hand off or a hole in a Celestial - he out right beat down Arishem who slumpt at his feet. And it took the entire host of his peers to subdue him. It left the Host weakened to the point that they had to combine their effort to perform a feet Zeus alone did.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
That one time with Sue regarding hyper space where she had to destroythe brain and exitar was really fighting her? Dude don't complaint about Thor 300 when u bring up one time occurence while ignoring that Kubik sought to avoid coming near a Celestial or how hyperspace weakness wasn't exploited by the other Celestials on Tiamut. If it was so easy how come GalActus and the Watcher feared Tiamut if hyperspace was so easy exploitable on a Celestial? Hell, how come Sue didn't just destory Exitar's entire form without needing to put herself in danger by going inside Exitar. You act as if Tyrant would havve any chance of Entering tiamut's armor if he consciously decide to regenerate any damage done. So blowing a hole or hand is a win now.

Tyrant's best effort put a crater in the ground that would be an ANT HOLE at Tiamuts feet. If hyperspace was easily exploited Zuras and the Eternals would not have feared Tiamut. Watcher would been like ummm...so a Celestial awoke...I'll just take that gun that taps into hyperspace and kill him. He wouldn't have averted his eyes. Tyrant can't even one-shot a Jack of Hearts and u think he'll pose any threat to Tiamut who would regen from any attacks and kill the annoyance just by stepping on him. Face it, Tyrant has never beaten any one above trans at all. He never actually beat Galactus either and couldn't ko thanos. Face it, Tiamut didn't just blow a hand off or a hole in a Celestial - he out right beat down Arishem who slumpt at his feet. And it took the entire host of his peers to subdue him. It left the Host weakened to the point that they had to combine their effort to perform a feet Zeus alone did.

You don't know that the the Host fighting Tiamut weakened them to where they had to use tech to lift a mountain, it's just speculation.

I'm not just using the Sue feat with the hyperspace exploit, even though it's right there on panel as being a HUGE weakness characters can use as long as writers remember it or retcon it away.

Even without that, I've shown you characters less powerful than Tyrant and Team punching holes in Celestial armor (not just any Celestial either but Exitar) then crushing his skull. I've shown you Jean with PF sliver, blowing off Arshiem's hand and it was a smoldering stump. He and the rest of the Celestials abandoned that world and flew off after that.

So it's within the realm of possibility that Team does in fact beat Tiamut.

Originally posted by zopzop
You don't know that the the Host fighting Tiamut weakened them to where they had to use tech to lift a mountain, it's just speculation.

I'm not just using the Sue feat with the hyperspace exploit, even though it's right there on panel as being a HUGE weakness characters can use as long as writers remember it or retcon it away.

Even without that, I've shown you characters less powerful than Tyrant and Team punching holes in Celestial armor (not just any Celestial either but Exitar) then crushing his skull. I've shown you Jean with PF sliver, blowing off Arshiem's hand and it was a smoldering stump. He and the rest of the Celestials abandoned that world and flew off after that.

So it's within the realm of possibility that Team does in fact beat Tiamut.

But it's not speculation when u try and claim that it took the host to lift a mountain instead of the Celestials deciding to all participate in the burying of TiAmut. You tried to pass off the host as only equal to Zeus with a solid proof it actually required the entire host to perform that feat. Celestials have moved planets to use as weapons and it took only two.

As for your argument that the team has a chance, the times Exitar and Arishem were vulnerable were when they weren't minding their attackers. Any low showings featured them attending to other matters and so such attacks were even possible. A minor celestial regenerated instantly after his arm got cut off. What do you think is going to occur against a Tiamut when his only attention is to destroying this team? A wound is healed instantly. Thanos and void vets
mind raped. Tyrant gets stepped on.

If you were godlike would you get your hands dirty on moving a mountain or use another way of doing it.

Originally posted by zopzop
No it wasn't. It was mainstream Marvel 616 reality. Celestials can be pwned if you exploit their hyperspace weakness.

Tyrant isn't Galactus. Hurling worlds at him is meaningless. And that's a low showing for Galactus (as per usual) seeing as how he's survived in the hearts of stars without even flinching. dude I've just given up on Big G... He will forever fail to live up to his former glory. At this rate Galacta's gonna be pwning him on a whim when he doesn't giver her what she wants... spoiled brat.

Tiamut is in another league...

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Tiamut is in another league...

Psh...Tiamut was beat by a mere mountain. durwank

Originally posted by Cogito
Psh...Tiamut was beat by a mere mountain. durwank

That was a helluva Mountain though, I heard it was made by TOAA!

WWK... Why didn't T&A one shot Surfer? Why hasn't Odin one shot Thor when they have met in battle? Why did Galactus run and flee from Thor? Why didn't a celestial one shot Thor? Yet you're saying DP Tyrant isn't shit because he didn't one shot heralds... guess what.. welcome to comics. All of the above examples are par for the course in comics and usually see the heroes not one shot put down. However, Tyrant did deal with them with ease... Surfer was put down for a few panels which is a one shot as it would constitute that on this forum... Brb was put down with ease... Surfer gets back up.. only to be one shot again... Glads was two shot with ease.. Gay.. was one shot.. Terrax and Morg were all dealt with easily. Yet, you're trying to say Tyrant isn't powerful for the same reasons others like Odin, Galactus and other Celestials also couldn't do. Shoot Tyrant put down BRB much easier than the Celestials put down Thor.

Furthermore, lets look at the Tyrant vs. Thanos and Odin vs Thanos fight since you brought up Thanos doing good against Tyrant... Did Thanos EVER fear for his life against Odin.. nope.. did he ever back down for flee vs Odin.. nope... Did he go looking for a fight with Odin and prep for his battle... nope.. Did he last many more panels with Odin as compared to Tyrant... YUP.. Thanos left because he ADMITTED Tyrant was going to kill him something he never feared from Odin. He also prepped and had an amped for Tyrant... he wasn't even looking for a fight with Odin and yet odin couldn't even put him down nor was he in any fear or thought about leaving... Compare that with him prepping and amped and LOOKING for a fight with Tyrant.. Tyrant deal with him much quicker and made Thanos leave for fear of dying... You wanna bring out comparison... That one shows Tyrant is Odin's superior.

Lastly, Galactus backed down from Tyrant the first time they met because Galaxies would be destroyed in the process of their fight... Seems like Tyrant was pretty darn powerful to make Galactus feed and prep for his battle with him.

SS and crew was being drained before they fought D Tyrant and Morg and Terrax weren't fighting tyrant he also called for his guards as well. Odin one-shotted Drax and Silver Surfer

DP Tyrant is around sky father level at best and Thanos being a little bit lower than him and Void Sentry who is a high trans at best is the weak link and would get butt raped by Tiamut. This is not a battle it's a slaughter, Celestial are up their with Galactus in tech so this would be a major beat down.

Originally posted by golem370
SS and crew was being drained before they fought D Tyrant and Morg and Terrax weren't fighting tyrant he also called for his guards as well. Odin one-shotted Drax and Silver Surfer

Except I put up a scan of Tyrant casually KOing Surfer before he was drained. So that "drained" excuse won't fly. Was Galactus "drained" when he backed down from claiming his herald, the same herald he went out of his way to recover? No right? So what's the problem?

@KuRuPT Thanosi

I blame Mike Lackey (the writer) and Bob Harras (the editor) who wrote and edited the Tyrant/Galactus final showdown. The entire issue was garbage, Ron Marz (the writer that introduced us to Tyrant AND the writer of the Cosmic Powers series) was building up to an epic, absolutely EPIC brawl between Big G and Tyrant, then that Lackey idiot drops the ball Oh well.

Originally posted by the Darkone
This is not a battle it's a slaughter, Celestial are up their with Galactus in tech so this would be a major beat down.

You realize "DP" Tyrant took control over Galactus' tech right?

Originally posted by zopzop
You realize "DP" Tyrant took control over Galactus' tech right?

Because he was in physical contact with it, I was stating Celestial tech are pretty much even Galactus! That besides the point,. Tiamut would just make this team his b***h.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Because he was in physical contact with it, I was stating Celestial tech are pretty much even Galactus! That besides the point,. Tiamut would just make this team his b***h.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
WWK... Why didn't T&A one shot Surfer? Why hasn't Odin one shot Thor when they have met in battle? Why did Galactus run and flee from Thor? Why didn't a celestial one shot Thor? Yet you're saying DP Tyrant isn't shit because he didn't one shot heralds... guess what.. welcome to comics. All of the above examples are par for the course in comics and usually see the heroes not one shot put down. However, Tyrant did deal with them with ease... Surfer was put down for a few panels which is a one shot as it would constitute that on this forum... Brb was put down with ease... Surfer gets back up.. only to be one shot again... Glads was two shot with ease.. Gay.. was one shot.. Terrax and Morg were all dealt with easily. Yet, you're trying to say Tyrant isn't powerful for the same reasons others like Odin, Galactus and other Celestials also couldn't do. Shoot Tyrant put down BRB much easier than the Celestials put down Thor.

Furthermore, lets look at the Tyrant vs. Thanos and Odin vs Thanos fight since you brought up Thanos doing good against Tyrant... Did Thanos EVER fear for his life against Odin.. nope.. did he ever back down for flee vs Odin.. nope... Did he go looking for a fight with Odin and prep for his battle... nope.. Did he last many more panels with Odin as compared to Tyrant... YUP.. Thanos left because he ADMITTED Tyrant was going to kill him something he never feared from Odin. He also prepped and had an amped for Tyrant... he wasn't even looking for a fight with Odin and yet odin couldn't even put him down nor was he in any fear or thought about leaving... Compare that with him prepping and amped and LOOKING for a fight with Tyrant.. Tyrant deal with him much quicker and made Thanos leave for fear of dying... You wanna bring out comparison... That one shows Tyrant is Odin's superior.

Lastly, Galactus backed down from Tyrant the first time they met because Galaxies would be destroyed in the process of their fight... Seems like Tyrant was pretty darn powerful to make Galactus feed and prep for his battle with him.

T&A didn't one-shot Surfer because of PIS. The same why Odin doesn't one-shot Thor. T&A are Galactus level beings and beings beneath them like Odin have casually wrecked herald levelers consistently. The Celestial didn't one-shot Thor because PIS. Why is it not PIS for Tyrant when he fails to one-shot herald levelers? Consistency. Go look at every fight he's had against herald level beings and you see that he couldn't one-shot any of them even when they're weak! These are among his only showings, it's what establishes his power ranking. He then went on to have a struggle with Thanos; the same Thanos that begged for Galactus' mercy. Tyrant unleashed an attack to kill Thanos and it created a crater. That's it. As for Galactus, the whole thing was a baffle because Galactus already crushed Tyrant and depowered him. Why he was worried about a being he'd already beat a more powerful Tyrant in battle is baffling. When the majority of Tyrant's fights show him displaying nothing on Odin's level at all. The fact that Galactus didn't want to fight Tyrant doesn't trump Tyrant's actual display of power. He was able to take Galactus on by feeding on Galactus' attack. But outright power from him, he was lacking in putting down even Jack of Hearts.

Tyrant doesn't have the feats to put him in leagues with Galactus, Odin, and the Celestials. Odin no-sold most of Thanos' attack and have fought galaxy busters and wrecked them. Him not one-shoting Thor is PIS. He one-shot Ulik, Annihilus, Surfer, and Drax, all of whom are Thor's tier. Celestials have moved belts of planets as their weapon, created herald beings in minutes, and no sold attacks from skyfathers. Thor not being one-shot was PIS. Welcome to comic books!

If you want to argue Tyrant is skyfather level then that's plausible, but he sure isn't Galactus level with those piss-poor performance against Thanos and the heralds.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
If you want to argue Tyrant is skyfather level then that's plausible, but he sure isn't Galactus level with those piss-poor performance against Thanos and the heralds.

You realize that Odin (unamped) is stalemating Galactus right? Skyfathers are Galactus level.



You'd have a point, except for the fact that when "DP" Tyrant was first introduced, Galactus backed down and claimed the collateral damage to the universe wasn't worth the fight.
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Sky fathers are not Galactus level, Celestials are Galactus Level and beyond. Skyfathers are nowhere near Celestials and Galactus. Skyfathers are not even above Cube Beings like Molecule Man, Beyonders, Kubik, or Shaper of Worlds.

Odin is stalemating Galactus in the battle of minds, that's it. Im feeling a wank fest is coming in Thor#4, they might d**k Galactus once again!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin is stalemating Galactus in the battle of minds, that's it. Im feeling a wank fest is coming in Thor#4, they might d**k Galactus once again!

Well get ready for it, because on another forum, someone posted that the battle continues on a more physical level and STILL no clear winner. We'll soon see how right he was, Mighty Thor 5 goes on sale in 3 more days.

The fight concludes in Mighty Thor 6. So far it's not looking good for Galactus OR Surfer at all.

Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that Odin (unamped) is stalemating Galactus right? Skyfathers are Galactus level.



You'd have a point, except for the fact that when "DP" Tyrant was first introduced, Galactus backed down and claimed the collateral damage to the universe wasn't worth the fight.
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Woah, that surely does prove that Tyrant must universal in power, only universal wreckers could 3 shot herald levelers and fail to put down Thanos. For all the threats, when they actually fought when find out Tyrant could feed on Galactus' power to increase his own. Nothing special. Tiamut steps on him.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Woah, that surely does prove that Tyrant must universal in power, only universal wreckers could 3 shot herald levelers and fail to put down Thanos. For all the threats, when they actually fought when find out Tyrant could feed on Galactus' power to increase his own. Nothing special. Tiamut steps on him.

Blame Mike Lackey's idiotic writing. Ron Marz, the guy that created Tyrant, wrote the issue where he first appeared and the entire Cosmic Powers series, clearly intended that "DP" Tyrant was a very real threat to Galactus (so much so that it was Galactus that backed down, not Tyrant when they met again).

Even that moron Lackey kept beating the reader over the head with how Galactus feared "DP" Tyrant (mentioned by Surfer because of the rapport he shared with Galactus) and Galactus made sure he was fully fed and prepped before he faced "DP" Tyrant. "DP" Tyrant's power was universal in scope because one of the sources of his power was the biosphere of every planet in the universe. This was stated by both Tyrant and Galactus.

BRB has been a threat to Galactus, the Fallen One has been a threat to Galactus, etc. etc.

Tyrant is overrated.

Originally posted by Bentley
BRB has been a threat to Galactus, the Fallen One has been a threat to Galactus, etc. etc.

Tyrant is overrated.

Yeah, a staving or near dying Galactus. Not a full powered Galactus that fed on a world that he said hasn't made him that strong in ages. Surfer felt that full powered and fed Galactus' fear through the rapport they shared. Even before the final showdown, Tyrant humiliated a non-starving/dying Galactus by keeping his herald.

Now that Galactus seems to be skyfather level, Tiamut still stomps

Thanos was looking to test himself that why he took on Odin Strange said so or maybe Warlock.

Originally posted by Bentley
Now that Galactus seems to be skyfather level, Tiamut still stomps

That was a good one

P. 24 Knocks Surfer back but not out (P. 26). Notice Gladiator is right behind Surfer.
P. 25 Story switches to Tyrant Vs BRB and Gladitor. Matches and beats Gladiator in attack.
P. 26 Story switches back to Surfer who assists Ganymede. That ain't no knock out by Tyrant at all.
P. 27 Swtiches back to Gladiator is on the ground but not out.
p. 29-30 Shows Morg and Terrax duking it out.
p. 31 Neither Surfer nor Gladiator is down. They all agree that the drones are wasting their energy. This is on top of them being drained by Tyrant earlier.
P. 32 He two shots BRB into Gladiator.
p. 33 Eye beams Gladiator again and fails to knock him out. So him pummels Gladiator again to put him down.
p. 34 Surfer gets back handed and still isn't out. Ganymede harms Tyrant and he actually one shots. Lol. Yep. Ganymede who has little feats to put her on herald level. Even Jack of Hearts performed better.
p. 35-36 Morg and Terrax smack talking. Surfer gets up.
p. 37 Surfer and Tyrant go at it again and finally Tyrant KOs.
p. 38 Tyrant finally subdues everyone.

One-shot? Where? lol. Ganymede?!


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Tiamut stomps

So you posted all those scans to prove my point? Did you miss the clear presentation of the comic? ALL of these heralds were NO threat to Tyrant what so ever... not in the slightest. Him putting down these heralds who confroted him as a team with one or two shots illustrates this point. As I stated before, just because he didn't one shot them all, which happens all the time when heroes face stronger foes, doesn't have anymore barring than Celestials, Odin or Galactus failing to one shot Thor. You call those PIS, than apply it here and stop using a double standard... It was PIS here as well.

Furthermore, did you again not read the story.. Thanos was studying up on tyrant for issues... just because it did show exactly what he was doing doesn't change the fact.. that he found out about Tyrant... and studied for his weakness and what makes him tick.. The comic flat out stated this... That is prep and there is no two ways about it. Thanos was prepped AND amped AND looking for a fight against Tyrant.. That is in stark contrast to him NOT looking for a fight with help but actually help... nor prepped nor amped. We saw what a PREPPED THANOS CLONE DID TO ODIN WITH EASE REMEMBER? Yet, Tyrant faired much better again Thanos than Odin did.. there are no two ways about that.

Lastly, answer me these three questions....

1. Was Tyrant not made in Galactus image to be his equal?
2. Was tyrant in hiding for eons regaining the power Galactus stole from him until he said he was finally ready to challenge him again?
3. Was the exactly narration not... now that I'm at the HEIGHT of my powers I can reclaim my Throne... Key word being HEIGHT of my powers?

Now, if you answer those questions honestly it can only lead to one logical conclusion... Tyrant was just as strong if not stronger than when Galactus first beat him.

Wait a sec, Thanos fell on his knees when he fought Odin but he did better than against Tyrant?

For those still doubting, "DP" Tyrant punked an angry Galactus.

Here is Tiamut threatening Uatu (notice Uatu's response) :
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Tiamut : I'm warning you
Uatu : You'll do what?

Tiamut stomps

Originally posted by zopzop
For those still doubting, "DP" Tyrant punked an angry Galactus.

Here is Tiamut threatening Uatu (notice Uatu's response) :
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Tiamut : I'm warning you
Uatu : You'll do what?


I don't even understand the argument you just made.

Originally posted by Bentley
I don't even understand the argument you just made.

"DP" Tyrant's threats caused a pissed Galactus to back down. An angry Tiamut threatened Uatu and Uatu wasn't fazed. It's not hard to understand.

Originally posted by zopzop
"DP" Tyrant's threats caused a pissed Galactus to back down. An angry Tiamut threatened Uatu and Uatu wasn't fazed. It's not hard to understand.


So Tiamut who is clearly a pacifist and has been hanging out with Uatu for a while makes a clearly empty threat, while Tyrant, who is a trigger-happy bully who hates Galactus actually makes an impression, and I should see these opposing statements as proof of power?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you posted all those scans to prove my point? Did you miss the clear presentation of the comic? ALL of these heralds were NO threat to Tyrant what so ever... not in the slightest. Him putting down these heralds who confroted him as a team with one or two shots illustrates this point. As I stated before, just because he didn't one shot them all, which happens all the time when heroes face stronger foes, doesn't have anymore barring than Celestials, Odin or Galactus failing to one shot Thor. You call those PIS, than apply it here and stop using a double standard... It was PIS here as well.

No, it illustrates mine and everyone else's opinion that Tyrant at best is skyfather level, not Galactus'. Not only that, these were beings that were ALREADY WEAKENED.



Did, truth is he did nothing that Odin or Zeus couldn't do. Galactus walked the dog with Thanos while Thanos' even deployed multi-layer shields. Tyrant isn't anywhere near Galactus or any Celestial.



Yes. And then beaten and shrank in size and power. Tyrant was driven from his empire into exile where he hide and plotted his confrontation for millenias. The ironic thing is Thanos learns some stuff about Tyrant's past and you think Thanos got prep, but ignore that Tyrant had millenias of prep against Big G.



Your point? At what point did he do anything that a skyfather couldn't?



Lol. So at the height of his power he still struggled with Thanos and heralds? If you say that orb amped Thanos, how come Tyrant was getting knocked about when he's got Galactus level with the backing of hundreds of those similar orb? That orb has some of Morg's powers at least, I doubt any where near the power needed to take on Galactus level beings.

And what did Galactus say? "I am the Devourer of Worlds. I destroyed more powerful foes than you before this universe was born." Tyrant's strike did nothing to Galactus. Galactus' attack sent Tyrant flying through the hull. The reason Tyrant got the better of Galactus was his attacks were synthesized Biosphereric Energies which Tyrant feeds on. After taking over Galactus' energy converter, Tyrant reverses it so Galactus' B.S.E. was flowing into Tyrant. This gave Tyrant the upper hand he needed to cut Galactus. There's no display of power to put him on Galactus' level.



Lol. Oh hell no. Tyrant exploited a weakness and cut Galactus up a little. In the retelling of their first fight, Galactus and Tyrant were wrecking each other apart and which destroyed galaxies. Here Tyrant exploits Galactus' machine to feed on Galactus' biospheric energies.

who is this Tyrant person? is he celestial level?

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
who is this Tyrant person? is he celestial level?

There are a few here that feel he is beyond Celestials...

I personally dont think so, but we all have our opinions...

has he destroyed a star system? or created life? people discussing here act as if he was some big shot cosmic, but even thor has resisted blasts from the Silver Surfer!

Originally posted by zopzop
"DP" Tyrant's threats caused a pissed Galactus to back down. An angry Tiamut threatened Uatu and Uatu wasn't fazed. It's not hard to understand.

Wow.

Way to not have any sense of what context means.

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
has he destroyed a star system? or created life? people discussing here act as if he was some big shot cosmic, but even thor has resisted blasts from the Silver Surfer!

His best feat was beating Galactus in a PIS ridden comic where Galactus kept "forgetting" Tyrants powerset despite the fact that Galactus created him...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
His best feat was beating Galactus in a PIS ridden comic where Galactus kept "forgetting" Tyrants powerset despite the fact that Galactus created him...


Thor also battered Galactus. tyrant sounds thor level to me...

Originally posted by Bentley
Wait a sec, Thanos fell on his knees when he fought Odin but he did better than against Tyrant?

Nah. Tyrant left him buried under rubble and had his suit completely destroyed. He faired better vs. Odin.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Nah. Tyrant left him buried under rubble and had his suit completely destroyed. He faired better vs. Odin.

Disagree; Thanos actually had success against Tyrant with his blows...

Thanos was completely unable to do anything significant to Odin...

In addition, it took Thanos seven full panels before he was able to fully stand after what Odin did to him; during that period of time Odin took no action against Thanos...

Thanos definitely did better against Tyrant than he did Odin...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Disagree; Thanos actually had success against Tyrant with his blows...

Thanos was completely unable to do anything significant to Odin...

In addition, it took Thanos seven full panels before he was able to fully stand after what Odin did to him; during that period of time Odin took no action against Thanos...

Thanos definitely did better against Tyrant than he did Odin...

Thanos had prep and an amp going up against Tyrant. Thanos went to Asgard looking for Odin's help in curing Thor of his madness. Thanos ran from Tyrant, Thanos was ready for more vs Odin. Not the same thing no matter how you look at it.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Lol. Oh hell no. Tyrant exploited a weakness and cut Galactus up a little. In the retelling of their first fight, Galactus and Tyrant were wrecking each other apart and which destroyed galaxies. Here Tyrant exploits Galactus' machine to feed on Galactus' biospheric energies.

If you were honest, you'd also recall that Galactus backed down from "DP" Tyrant when he was searching for his herald. When the Surfer came to and asked Galactus why he backed down, he told him he "delayed a costly confrontation". Before that Galactus told Tyrant that if they fought "it would bring about destruction as never been seen and if Tyrant won, he'd rule over rubble".

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Disagree; Thanos actually had success against Tyrant with his blows...

Thanos was completely unable to do anything significant to Odin...

In addition, it took Thanos seven full panels before he was able to fully stand after what Odin did to him; during that period of time Odin took no action against Thanos...

Thanos definitely did better against Tyrant than he did Odin...


You're forgetting about the amp + the fact Thanos still wanted to fight Odin. He backed down from Tyrant with a power up. Thanos wanted no part of Tyrant after that last explosion. He seeked a challenge just like vs. Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
If you were honest, you'd also recall that Galactus backed down from "DP" Tyrant when he was searching for his herald. When the Surfer came to and asked Galactus why he backed down, he told him he "delayed a costly confrontation". Before that Galactus told Tyrant that if they fought "it would bring about destruction as never been seen and if Tyrant won, he'd rule over rubble".

Right, what said is said and can be attributed to the truth or hyperbole. Unfortunately what's said is more hyperbole than truth. They did actually fight and Galactus confirmed that he's beaten more powerful foes than Tyrant. Their fight didn't destroy the universe at all, it didn't even wreck Tyrant's citadel. We also see that Galactus' output knocked Tyrant while Tyrant's initial attack did nothing to Galactus. The only reason Tyrant got the upper hand is because Galactus' energy is synthesized Biospheric energy which actually powers Tyrant. The heralds and Thanos' energy were not the same, hence they attacks weren't drained.


Originally posted by Sundipped
You're forgetting about the amp + the fact Thanos still wanted to fight Odin. He backed down from Tyrant with a power up. Thanos wanted no part of Tyrant after that last explosion. He seeked a challenge just like vs. Odin.

Assuming there was an amp; it had some of Morg's energy. How much amp would that give Thanos really? You honestly think the amp would put him near Galactus' power level? You're forgetting that Thanos couldn't even stagger Odin. So the best you can say is this amp would give Thanos a better fighting chance and actually knock Odin about. Furthermore, Odin did bury Thanos in rubble at one point in the fight. So at best Tyrant is a skyfather level, not Galactus level.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Assuming there was an amp; it had some of Morg's energy. How much amp would that give Thanos really? You honestly think the amp would put him near Galactus' power level? You're forgetting that Thanos couldn't even stagger Odin. So the best you can say is this amp would give Thanos a better fighting chance and actually knock Odin about. Furthermore, Odin did bury Thanos in rubble at one point in the fight. So at best Tyrant is a skyfather level, not Galactus level.

I never said the amp put him near Galactus level but I can't believe that people are denying the orbs power. It had to be more than just Morg's energy. As you know, just regular mid/high herald energy is not even going to faze Tyrant but this did:

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For the record I do believe he would've had a better shot with the orb vs. Odin.

Tyrant basically said he was going to kill Thanos after he saw that he was still alive under that rubble and guess what? THANOS ADMITTED IT!

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Did he say that to Odin when he told him to yeild? Nope.

If Tyrant was as powerful as Galactus, Thanos would've been on his knees begging like he was against Galactus...

Originally posted by Bentley
If Tyrant was as powerful as Galactus, Thanos would've been on his knees begging like he was against Galactus... I must have missed the part where Thanos begged for his life, the comic i read had Thanos begging Galactus to listen to him.

I never said he was begging "for his life" 131

Originally posted by Bentley
I never said he was begging "for his life" 131 You implied it, what was he begging for then ?aufsmaul0

What you just said g_grin

Originally posted by Bentley
If Tyrant was as powerful as Galactus, Thanos would've been on his knees begging like he was against Galactus... Originally posted by Nihilist
I must have missed the part where Thanos begged for his life, the comic i read had Thanos begging Galactus to listen to him.

Thank you Nihilist. Thanos wasn't going there to look for a fight (exactly like the Odin incident) he was going there to tell Galactus to stop what he was doing because Galactus was being duped by an outside force.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I never said the amp put him near Galactus level but I can't believe that people are denying the orbs power. It had to be more than just Morg's energy.

This is Thanos admitting he needs time to plan before taking on Tyrant and goes out to find people who survived him to understand his strengths and weaknesses. He notices Terrax and sets out to find him.
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This Thanos after he found Terrax. Terrax tells Thanos what Tyrant does to those he captures. He drains their power into Energy Orbs. In Terrax's own words "this is both his greatest asset and greatest vulernatbility should it be turned against him".
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Dude, I never said he was begging for his life, I clearly stated he was on his knees begging.

Stop high-fiving each other over nothing

Originally posted by Bentley
Dude, I never said he was begging for his life, I clearly stated he was on his knees begging.

Stop high-fiving each other over nothing Youre just jealous because youre not part of the high 5 crew, nvrmind at least you have carver 313dur

Yeah, I'm kind of jealous, nobody high-fives me in Kang threads.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, I'm kind of jealous, nobody high-fives me in Kang threads. Hey i backed him over Doom in your tactician thread.

As I have stated several times now I respect your point of view

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, I'm kind of jealous, nobody high-fives me in Kang threads.

You must be misremembering, because I'm a Kang fan.

I'm not

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not


ahah

So the consensus is:

Galactus >>>>>>>>> Thanos.

Odin/Tyrant >>> Thanos.

But somehow...

Odin/Tyrant => Galactus.

K. Carry on.

A nonbiased look at what happened when Thanos fought Odin...