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1. Kanto with prep.

2. Kanto without prep.

Who wins?

Kanto as in Darkseid's assassin?

Originally posted by BerserkersRage
Kanto as in Darkseid's assassin?

Yes.

As far as I know, Kanto never showed any powers besides being highly skilled in his assassin weapons and a skilled swordsman. Other than being a "new god", has he demonstrated any powers?

If not, I have to go with the Vision

Originally posted by BerserkersRage
As far as I know, Kanto never showed any powers besides being highly skilled in his assassin weapons and a skilled swordsman. Other than being a "new god", has he demonstrated any powers?

If not, I have to go with the Vision

Superman tossed him into the firepits, and it didn't harm him. Superman was KOed by firepits once.

He was one of Martian Manhunters old nemesis's, in Ostranders run, and had special weapons like a tracking gun and sword that both defeated his phasing.. In a rematch, MM had to use hyper aggressive tactics, surprise, and a new, more imposing form specially designed to fight him, to win.

When Kanto didn't prep or have the element of surprise Jonn curbstomped him.

With prep Kanto, without Vision.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman tossed him into the firepits, and it didn't harm him. Superman was KOed by firepits once.

He was one of Martian Manhunters old nemesis's, in Ostranders run, and had special weapons like a tracking gun and sword that both defeated his phasing.. In a rematch, MM had to use hyper aggressive tactics, surprise, and a new, more imposing form specially designed to fight him, to win.

Damn, sounds like I missed a good one. In that case, Kanto with prep, Vision without.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
When Kanto didn't prep or have the element of surprise Jonn curbstomped him.


MM curbstomped him by also having prep and the element of surprise..

We don't really know how a random Kanto vs MM fight would go, because every encounter involved one prepping beforehand against the other..

http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics153.jpg
http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics154.jpg
http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics155.jpg
http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics156.jpg

Dunno what fight you read bro, but that was a straight up ass kicking.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics153.jpg
http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics154.jpg
http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics155.jpg
http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics156.jpg

Dunno what fight you read bro, but that was a straight up ass kicking.

I read the same fight you did.

And those scans prove MM was ready for Kanto, with his new and improved battle form giving him an edge in combat, and an effective battle plan involving keeping him off balance and not giving him a chance to gather his wits..

That all = prep. Kanto wasn't expecting a fight, and had no idea what MM was capable of after their last encounter.

Give Kanto a rematch with MM using the same form, and it might go very differently..

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You have to be joking. Kanto even SAYS that he knew Jonn would be there. Jonn kept him off balance by pummeling the shit out of him. There is no one-sided prep advantage there, Jonn is just his obvious superior.

They HAD a rematch:

http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/?action=view&current=Jimscomics198.jpg

Jonn was stomping until Kanto used prepped Fireballs.
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You were joking right?

"You're changed J'onzz."

Knowing MM was coming for the girl, and being prepared to fight him are two different things.

Don't underestimate the value of training for an opponent. Failure to do so is why Mohammad Ali lost one to Joe Frasier, despite being his superior in nearly every way..

Jonn is Kanto's obvious superior in both those altercations. Jonn hadn't trained to specifically fight Kanto, he was just better then when they'd last fought. Hell, we also know that he's beaten Kanto prior to that fight.

Jonn had no advantage in that fight beyond being more powerful then Kanto. Kanto was expecting Jonn and he was packing his transdimensional blade to boot.

"The element of surprise and prep". Honestly, Kanto is just beneath Jonn.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jonn is Kanto's obvious superior in both those altercations. Jonn hadn't trained to specifically fight Kanto, he was just better then when they'd last fought. Hell, we also know that he's beaten Kanto prior to that fight.

Jonn had no advantage in that fight beyond being more powerful then Kanto. Kanto was expecting Jonn and he was packing his transdimensional blade to boot.

"The element of surprise and prep". Honestly, Kanto is just beneath Jonn.

Right. That's why he fought Kanto in his base form, and not in that armored monstrosity with a fist sticking out of his chest, a blade for a hand, and a shield that could block Kantos special sword.

Nope, this is how he always fights, and isn't a strategy devised to beat a single opponent.

Originally posted by cdtm
Right. That's why he fought Kanto in his base form, and not in that armored monstrosity with a fist sticking out of his chest and a blade for a hand.

Nope, this is how he always fights, and isn't a strategy devised to beat a single opponent.

You'd have a point if he used that form in their second fight, which he did not. He used his base form.

Jonn shapeshifted against an opponent OMG PREPZZ!!!

Whatever man, scans are in the thread and anyone who reads them will realise the BSness of your claims, so my work is done here.