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No Prep,No BFR,colossus with the gem faces The WorldBreaker..who wins????

this is a good battle but very hard to say .....yeah lolz i dunno tie!

Originally posted by ozz81
this is a good battle but very hard to say .....yeah lolz i dunno tie! The only feat Colossus has is ALMOST killing Kuurth.....Current Hulk would take on any Worthy and beat the hell out of them....

Colossus dies and badly at that. Why make a thread when you know its a stomp?

By the way, WWH nearly "stopped" Cain forward charge during their fight...Cain couldn't really push him at all. It was basically a stalemate. This alone proves how much greater WWH was over the Worthys. Now if WWH was able to prevent Jugs from hardly moving him, imagine what WBH would do.

Yeah, this fight is lopsided.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, WWH nearly "stopped" Cain forward charge during their fight...Cain couldn't really push him at all. It was basically a stalemate. This alone proves how much greater WWH was over the Worthys. Now if WWH was able to prevent Jugs from hardly moving him, imagine what WBH would do.

Yeah, this fight is lopsided. Whatever You Say!!

Originally posted by TheHulk
Whatever You Say!!

Pretty much on point buddy.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much on point buddy.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg

Never thought I`d see you post a pic of Hulkie Boy getting overpowered carver.

Yeah I was to lazy to search for the scan but thanks to Carv you can clearly see that Hulk was being pushed back and he "defeated" Juggs by BFR and using his momentum against him.

Yeah, I admit, he was getting pushed back but not overwhelmingly like Kuurth was...it was slight which is pretty good since he is slowing down the enchantment. Kuurth got dragged all over the place at 660 MPS.

Big difference.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I admit, he was getting pushed back but not overwhelmingly like Kuurth was...it was slight which is pretty good since he is slowing down the enchantment.

Not quite. They locked up and Juggs started pushing Hulkie Boy back from a standstill. He overpowered him using strength, this is backed up by writer statements. Greenskin didn`t slow anything down, Juggs was gaining speed and would eventually go 600mph all over the big Kermit if he hadn`t been distracted by the X-men

Originally posted by Mshinu
Not quite. They locked up and Juggs started pushing Hulkie Boy back from a standstill. He overpowered him using strength, this is backed up by writer statements. Greenskin didn`t slow anything down, Juggs was gaining speed and would eventually go 600mph all over the big Kermit if he hadn`t been distracted by the X-men You know it's Juggy ability to once he starts moving he can't be stopped or at least if your strong as hulk or thor the best you can do is slow him down a little,but point is he literally can't be stopped but if you have great strength than you can either slow him down or amazingily stop him

Originally posted by Mshinu
Not quite. They locked up and Juggs started pushing Hulkie Boy back from a standstill. He overpowered him using strength, this is backed up by writer statements. Greenskin didn`t slow anything down, Juggs was gaining speed and would eventually go 600mph all over the big Kermit if he hadn`t been distracted by the X-men
Maybe I'm blind but where in the scan is Juggernaut pushing him back?

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Maybe I'm blind but where in the scan is Juggernaut pushing him back?

Really? Second and third panel. Lockup then starting to move.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Not quite. They locked up and Juggs started pushing Hulkie Boy back from a standstill. He overpowered him using strength, this is backed up by writer statements. Greenskin didn`t slow anything down, Juggs was gaining speed and would eventually go 600mph all over the big Kermit if he hadn`t been distracted by the X-men

Hulk stated it on the next page. "Nothing can stop the Juggernaut huh? Be unstoppable somewhere else". It had nothing to do with strength.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0028.jpg

As for my point...Kuurth got pushed to another city with ease and per the fight, Kuurth was superior to Colossonaut. He holds no advantages against WWH let alone WBH.

Stomp.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Really? Second and third panel. Lockup then starting to move.

Looks like a stand still to me. Neither are moving. They would have at least made a noise like a screet sound as if Juggernaut was pushing him back...nothing happened.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Really? Second and third panel. Lockup then starting to move.
Hulk's foot moving a couple of inches? Is that it? It's possible Hulk could have simply dug his feet in to gain a foothold to push from, neither of them seemed to have moved anywhere in the following panels nor was any emphasis placed on Juggernaut pushing him back.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Not quite. They locked up and Juggs started pushing Hulkie Boy back from a standstill. He overpowered him using strength, this is backed up by writer statements. Greenskin didn`t slow anything down, Juggs was gaining speed and would eventually go 600mph all over the big Kermit if he hadn`t been distracted by the X-men

That's an unfair argument.

When originally asked, the writer said that it was the enchantment in play and later on said it was purely strength. In the comic, the enchantment is what's referenced as well.

You can't say for sure one way or the other but it not being purely strength is the safest bet imho.

Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much on point buddy.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg Was carver serious with this Brucie level scan?

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk's foot moving a couple of inches? Is that it? It's possible Hulk could have simply dug his feet in to gain a foothold to push from, neither of them seemed to have moved anywhere in the following panels nor was any emphasis placed on Juggernaut pushing him back.

Momentum is what matters.....Weather or not he can move wwh from stand still is irrelevant....

Originally posted by Rooster823
Momentum is what matters.....Weather or not he can move wwh from stand still is irrelevant....
Not if someone claimed Juggernaut overpowered Hulk in that scan when it is clearly not the case. Juggernaut doesn't need to build up momentum if he wants to move he will move, unless the imposing force is greater than his enchantment.

It also has to be magic or cosmic power

1 gazillion pounds of normal pressure wont stop him

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
It also has to be magic or cosmic power

1 gazillion pounds of normal pressure wont stop him
War Hulk did though and it may well be possible that Green Scar did aswell, apparently there is an interview with Gage or something.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Not if someone claimed Juggernaut overpowered Hulk in that scan when it is clearly not the case. Juggernaut doesn't need to build up momentum if he wants to move he will move, unless the imposing force is greater than his enchantment.

The enchantment works off momentum....No momentum, nothing to stop....He may not overpower the hulk, but hulk can't stop is movement....without help from apocolypse of corse....

anyway based what I've read on both I'd say Colossus 6/10

I expect this fight SOON if Colossus keeps the gem for any amount of time.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
War Hulk did though and it may well be possible that Green Scar did aswell, apparently there is an interview with Gage or something. War hulk had celestial tech that made hulk a nexus

Originally posted by Rooster823
The enchantment works off momentum....No momentum, nothing to stop....He may not overpower the hulk, but hulk can't stop is movement....without help from apocolypse of corse....
Only that's what happened in WWH...

What is the unstoppable enchantment? Is is strength based? or is it similar thor's hammer? (even if you can lift a billions tons if you are not worthy you wont lift it) Let's say Colossus can lift a billion tons and hulk can lift 2 billion tons, will that strength difference stop Colossus from moving forward?

Colossus was being struck by lighting and hammer blows but still kept on coming. Does that mean even if he was reduced to a skeleton he would still keep manhandling and pushing kuurth? if so then its more of the enchantment than strength..

World war hulk did a lot better against classic juggs then Kuurth did against Colossus

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
War hulk had celestial tech that made hulk a nexus
It was still only strength based

who is faster? a hulk or an avatar of cyttorak? whats their top speed?

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk stated it on the next page. "Nothing can stop the Juggernaut huh? Be unstoppable somewhere else". It had nothing to do with strength.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0028.jpg

As for my point...Kuurth got pushed to another city with ease and per the fight, Kuurth was superior to Colossonaut. He holds no advantages against WWH let alone WBH.

Stomp.

Christos Gage said it was purely a test of strength.

The reason Juggernaut went flying is because Hulk made him start running by pushing him on the shoulder.

^ Juggernaut was lunging forward once WWH let go before WWH slapped him in the back. Which means he was trying to move forward.

There really aren't two ways about it. WWH stalemated classic Juggernaut. He wasn't pushing him back like Thor's godblast did, but he stopped him from moving forward. And War Hulk only stopped Juggernaut after being pushed back (for what seemed to be miles) across the landscape.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Juggernaut was lunging forward once WWH let go before WWH slapped him in the back. Which means he was trying to move forward.

There really aren't two ways about it. WWH stalemated classic Juggernaut. He wasn't pushing him back like Thor's godblast did, but he stopped him from moving forward. And War Hulk only stopped Juggernaut after being pushed back (for what seemed to be miles) across the landscape.

That is one of the reasons I always thought of WWH as War Hulk superior due to that one scene. It took War Hulk a long distance to stop Juggernaut whereas WWH did it almost instantly. I mentioned this in the WWH vs War Hulk thread.

^ At the same time, after War Hulk halted him, War Hulk beat the crap out of Juggernaut convincingly whereas at base levels, WWH did not. He was just keeping pace with him.

juggernaut was also charging in on war hulk, in wwh he started off at neutral.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ At the same time, after War Hulk halted him, War Hulk beat the crap out of Juggernaut convincingly whereas at base levels, WWH did not. He was just keeping pace with him.

The fight started off kind of different between the two though. Juggernaut bull rushed WWH kicking and punching. During his fight against War Hulk, he started off using his momentum.

Don't see a clear winner if Colossus has anywhere near Juggs full power.

Originally posted by carver9
The fight started off kind of different between the two though. Juggernaut bull rushed WWH kicking and punching. During his fight against War Hulk, he started off using his momentum.
It was the ease in which War did it that makes it more impressive, while it does seem Green Scar stopped Juggernaut from pushing him back, as Psycho said, it was from a neutral position whereas War Hulk stopped him after he had already built up big momentum. IIRC War dropped Juggernaut in one punch which, again, is more impressive than what he did in WWH.

IMO War Hulk was slightly beneath Onslaught's strength level, both instances were from around the same time period and they both treated Juggernaut like nothing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
juggernaut was also charging in on war hulk, in wwh he started off at neutral. I don't subscribe to the Juggernaut needs momentum to be unstoppable idea. Originally posted by carver9
The fight started off kind of different between the two though. Juggernaut bull rushed WWH kicking and punching. During his fight against War Hulk, he started off using his momentum. And after stopping his momentum they went fisticuffs and War Hulk beat him straight-up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't subscribe to the Juggernaut needs momentum to be unstoppable idea.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Only that's what happened in WWH...

Dude, Read A Comic Book...