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Thanos at fullpower without IG vs apocalypse at full power.Two immortals battle each other who do u reckon will be the victor and why?

This is a good fight for about 20 seconds, and then Thanos makes Apoc his new Herald.

i think that would actually be a good job for apoc

Originally posted by Stoic
This is a good fight for about 20 seconds, and then Thanos makes Apoc his new Herald. Exactly what i was gonna say.

Apocalypse finally understand what survival of the fittest means.

Thanos stomps.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos stomps.


quan quick query...who is your favorite character?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
quan quick query...who is your favorite character? Please tell me you already know the answer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Please tell me you already know the answer.


if i knew i wouldnt have asked handsome...i know your a fanboy of some sort just couldnt remember if it was thanos or sauron

Originally posted by Sin I AM
if i knew i wouldnt have asked handsome...i know your a fanboy of some sort just couldnt remember if it was thanos or sauron Flattery will get you nowhere. I try to be as uncharming as I can because I know women would believe just about everything I told them if I wanted to.

My favorite character is Thanos.

I'd pay to see this in a comic.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd pay to see this in a comic.


y? it'd be the shortest fight in history



@ lol @ quan

Originally posted by Sin I AM
y? it'd be the shortest fight in history



@ lol @ quan I'm on skype right now what's your addy ?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
y? it'd be the shortest fight in history

Because it would be hilarious?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because it would be hilarious? I hope she shows I am wearing a turtle neck.

Thanos would walk over Apocalypse

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm on skype right now what's your addy ?


i dont skype..internet is strictly for porn ad social networking

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i dont skype..internet is strictly for porn ad social networking


Yeah you know you just set yourself up for loads of comments by saying that right?

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah you know you just set yourself up for loads of comments by saying that right?


well it the truth, u guys need to get out more...the women i work with are more forward thinking and experimental than most men

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well it the truth, u guys need to get out more...the women i work with are more forward thinking and experimental than most men

Hey whoa, I do get out. Lol. I just hurt myself at work, which is why I've been on KMC, more lately.

Define more forward thinking and experimental.

thanos

Apocalypse takes it, but not without a fight.

























































runaway2

apocalypse gets castrated.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i dont skype..internet is strictly for porn ad social networking You're all talk.

The Mad Titan destroys the Big A-Belt.

But, but, Apocalypse is really stretchy And strong.

Hehe.

The one that doesn't bleed after getting screamed at

strange how the one that was directly in his face...hurt him the least amount

Thanos wins this in a spitestomp

Depends on how well Apocalypse's armor and forcefields can hold up to Thanos's firepower. If it gets physical I'm actually leaning towards Apocalypse with his versatility. 5 years ago I would have said Thanos in a clean sweep, but Marvel has finally given some glimpses to show the scope of Apocalypse's personal power beyond his tangle and apparent equality/superiority to High Evolutionary, and we now know his celestial armor is top grade.

I'd still say Thanos 6-7/10 minimum though based on track record, and I'm probably this boards biggest Apocalypse supporter. Apocalypse needs more fights with heavyweights on panel.

Thanos steam rolls Apoc , he has zero showings to say he can compete with Thanos

Took BB's scream better than Thanos did http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon10.gif

You mean whisper troll, and don't eve dare try compare the scope and power between the two even a simpleton can tell the difference

Thanos makes a new jumpsuit out of Apoc.

This is a good fight imo.

Hold on, didn't BB obliterate Apoc with a whisper? Could have sworn that happened years back. I remember the terror on apoc's face right before it happened.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Hold on, didn't BB obliterate Apoc with a whisper? Could have sworn that happened years back. I remember the terror on apoc's face right before it happened. that was house of m it wasn't the real Apocalyspe

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Hold on, didn't BB obliterate Apoc with a whisper? Could have sworn that happened years back. I remember the terror on apoc's face right before it happened.

No..when Apocalypse and BB fought, AP tanked his scream with a smile on his face. Also, AP recent showings are nice...can't see Thanos no selling Thor like AP did.

Originally posted by carver9
No..when Apocalypse and BB fought, AP tanked his scream with a smile on his face. Also, AP recent showings are nice...can't see Thanos no selling Thor like AP did. what is it with you and lying? Apoc tools whisper it's clear by the scope and effect of the attack, Thanos virtually no sold 3 consecutive hits from PG

Originally posted by Insane Titan
You mean whisper troll, and don't eve dare try compare the scope and power between the two even a simpleton can tell the difference

I'll dare whatever I want, sock Whisper with a full opened mouth?

Yeah, Thanos bleeding like a virgin after the first scream. Apoc laughing. There's your difference. Kthxbai.

Poccy laughing off the scream. "without the slightest effect"

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31500000/En-Sabah-Nur-Apocalypse-x-men-31548015-480-731.png

is that a scan? cant see it

Just open it in a new tab, KMC blocks it for some reason.

Here it is:

http://i39.tinypic.com/11jllig.png

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just open it in a new tab, KMC blocks it for some reason.

Here it is:

http://i39.tinypic.com/11jllig.png wait, if Black Bolt was screaming, wouldn't that have blown away all the other heroes that were by him?

Not necessarily.

Medusa survived it once while lying next to him on bed. With Thanos he also seemed to use localized screams after the initial one.

Oh yeah, that scream totally looks just as powerful as this one:
http://s8.postimg.org/9ibhpzr5t/Infinity_003_028.jpghttp://s24.postimg.org/j13h5rqrl/Infinity_003_029.jpg
No serious person can think they're the same level of power.

Collateral damage means nothing in comics.

For Black Bolt it does, it's the whole reason why he doesn't speak, and why he evacuates his people when he knows he's about to use his voice.

^also differen't artists
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just open it in a new tab, KMC blocks it for some reason.

Here it is:

http://i39.tinypic.com/11jllig.png

WTF, that's really insane. He tanks the scream and scotts beams...

Collateral damage is no measure for power. The scream was most likely as powerful as that against Thanos, except if he screamed before and was weaker then.

Haha the desperation of some people trying to claim the whisper Apoc matched the scream Thanos took, he'll that whisper wasn't even as strong as the second one Thanos.

Don't some posters realise how stupid they sound when trying to troll?

^It doesn't look like a whisper, his mouth is far to wide open, enough for a good bj.

The desperation is on the side of those people who want to lowball Apocs feat here.

You can tell its a whisper by the effect it has , that why Hickman made it clear he screamed at Thanos due to the damage it did

thanos wins

thanos doesn't duck away from thrown tables, apocalypse does

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8871/x19g.jpg

Thanos doesn't duck from tables because he's fat and slow...

Far from it but pocy is ducking cause he is so adept at kneeling down it's become a secondary nature for him ...

No, he simply didn't want any splinters in his shiny armor... you know, the armor that's infinitely cooler than Thanos' gay costume covering his beer gut

I think Thanos will win, but seeing all this other evidence makes me think that Apoc will put a good fight in terms of how writers might seem characters and Black Bolt seems to be the measuring stick in here.

BTW What is the most destructive force portrayed by a writer regarding Black Bolt's sonic attack?

I mean on panel evidence, not possible overblown statements, but actual evidence.

Apocalypse is smart. Getting hit by a table or any thrown item causes you to lose style points which he didn't want to lose. Thanos still wins though, he can never lose.

Thanos survived the Celestials throwing planets at him, and also tanked the full combined might of Galactus, Stranger and Epoch. Apocalypse tanking BB scream is nothing in comparison!

(Ok, both Apocalypse and Thanos were highly amped up when these feats took place but apparently ppl don't care about context...)

Thanos has a great energy damage soak and durability, he and his shields tanked Galactus continious blast.
I don't think that Apoc would do as well, though he tanked BB scream and those other blasts easier.
All in all Apoc jobs more and should lose most fights. Thanos 7/10.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^It doesn't look like a whisper, his mouth is far to wide open, enough for a good bj.

The desperation is on the side of those people who want to lowball Apocs feat here.

in the scan it states they are hitting him with everything they got". Its clear it Was a scream.

Originally posted by carver9
in the scan it states they are hitting him with everything they got". Its clear it Was a scream.

we agree buddy.

We can go the BB route to make it a good fight, or we could consider all the other insane things Thanos has withstood and it becomes a stomp in his favor.

don't see how the one apocalypse tanked was a scream...you can tell by his face. The more stress to the facial expression the more it is a scream.

even if BB was yelling it was not at the level thanos tanked

just my thought

And holy shiiiiat where was that ancient-ass Apoc scan dug up from? lol

Originally posted by bbrem123
don't see how the one apocalypse tanked was a scream...you can tell by his face. The more stress to the facial expression the more it is a scream.

even if BB was yelling it was not at the level thanos tanked

just my thought

The scan states everyone was throwing everything at him. No where in that scan does it states "everyone was throwing everything they have at Apocalypse EXCEPT Black Bolt". The words in that scan is clear cut.

Originally posted by bbrem123
don't see how the one apocalypse tanked was a scream...you can tell by his face. The more stress to the facial expression the more it is a scream.

even if BB was yelling it was not at the level thanos tanked

just my thought

Seriously? Two different artists... both screams, so speaks BB.

I don't wanna sound like a prick but whatever powerlevels they had during those days looks quite different from their levels nowadays. Besides that, we can't really trust a narrative from a character's point of view specially if said character was relaying his own assumptions.


Everything Cyke has would've been GOML blasts. Although his blasts didn't looked as powerful those days compared to what he had a few years before pre AVX so there could be truth to what he was saying.
Everything BB has would've screwed everyone on the room aside from poccy.

Then again I could be just wrong but i really don't care if I'm not. BB could be opening his trap wide and yelping like a ***** for all we know.

Collateral damage doesn't mean destructive force...the writer made his intentions clear and Apocalypse tanked it. This doesn't include the fact that Apocalypse recently has been operating above Herald levels. He dismissed young Thor like he was nothing and this was something that even Gorr himself was unable to do.

Originally posted by carver9
Collateral damage doesn't mean destructive force...the writer made his intentions clear and Apocalypse tanked it. This doesn't include the fact that Apocalypse recently has been operating above Herald levels. He dismissed young Thor like he was nothing and this was something that even Gorr himself was unable to do.

Context Carver. Apoc is Kang's b_tch.

What's the context?

Originally posted by Magnon
Thanos survived the Celestials throwing planets at him, and also tanked the full combined might of Galactus, Stranger and Epoch. Apocalypse tanking BB scream is nothing in comparison!

(Ok, both Apocalypse and Thanos were highly amped up when these feats took place but apparently ppl don't care about context...)

Black Bolt never go all out with people at his side.

Originally posted by carver9
He dismissed young Thor like he was nothing and this was something that even Gorr himself was unable to do.

This cant be serious.

The stupidity in this thread is unreal.

BB had Attilian cleared so could scream at Thanos due to the effect it would have yet he supposedly screamed whilst surrounded by other heroes.

Haha context Carver regarding Apoc n Thor

What's the context?


http://i.imgur.com/uIyzqI9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t3ArWZV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6vRdxBV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3QHVqVR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iIZpV2U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YcS6ru6.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
No..when Apocalypse and BB fought, AP tanked his scream with a smile on his face. Also, AP recent showings are nice...can't see Thanos no selling Thor like AP did.

You have that scan Carver?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just open it in a new tab, KMC blocks it for some reason.

Here it is:

http://i39.tinypic.com/11jllig.png

It was already posted in this thread.

if you think that is a scream then it is one of the biggest jobbing scans i have seen in a while and should not really be taken seriously. Just my thoughts.

It was stated that everyone there gave everything (key word) when attacking Apocalypse. Can't get any clearer than that.

wasnt he amped as well

Apocalypse wasn't amped, at all.

didnt he have prep and amp himself with machines

Originally posted by carver9
It was stated that everyone there gave everything (key word) when attacking Apocalypse. Can't get any clearer than that. it's funny as you're one of the ones that claim that Odin was vastly holding back against Thanos due to the lack of collateral damage yet here it's the other way around so either you're a troll or a liar

Odin used about 10% of his power against Thanos.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
it's funny as you're one of the ones that claim that Odin was vastly holding back against Thanos due to the lack of collateral damage yet here it's the other way around so either you're a troll or a liar

Show me where I said that.

Originally posted by Mindset
Odin used about 10% of his power against Thanos.

Isn't there a 0 too much?

I think there's a 1 too much.

Originally posted by carver9
Apocalypse wasn't amped, at all.

Looool. Why do you keep making clueless claims like that when you obviously don't know what actually happened in the comic?

See those cables hanging out of Apoc's neck in that scan? Those are the remains of the cables that were -- just before that scan takes place -- used to feed Apocalypse a massive amount of energy.

So please stop talking out of your ass.

It was clear it was said'' They attacked him with everything they'we got''. Writers wanted to show Apocalypse was a powerhouse in that story, a real deal and he took a full BB scream.

Recent Apocalypse showing definitely suggest he could hang with Thanos (and what he did to Thor, above herald level).

Apocalypse can be a real deal, because he has an immense power.

Thanos feats overall, Thanos wins the fight.

Originally posted by Mindset
I think there's a 1 too much.

Great Minds and so.

Thanos pimpslaps Apocalypse's head off

i've always looked at Apocalypse as a planetary level of Thanos galactic tyranny. Exept Thanos usually achieve his goal and Apocalypse doesnt lol.

Thanos

be fun to see imo. apoc MORE than held his own against high evo and ikaris. thanos' bread and butter: blasts and brute force. neither would work against apoc. tp? stryfe DID do bad things to apoc via tp so that could def be an area where apoc gets throttled. i don't see apoc being able to do any real, lasting damage against thanos, but unless he goes with tp, i could def see this being a long, entertaining fight. unless there are tables in the area....

Especially with Apocalypse new armor. Celestial armor.

It's not new armor, it's just that the origin and capabilities/magnitude of his armor have been better explained and fleshed out. Apocalypse has always had Celestial Armor since interfacing with Ship. It was just never stated just how powerful it actually was until recent updates depicting it as being granted by the Celestials in his role as their agent. He's essentially been re-established now as the Celestial's 'herald' of sorts.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just open it in a new tab, KMC blocks it for some reason.

Here it is:

http://i39.tinypic.com/11jllig.png

Not to be a dick or anything, but the scan you posted is a bit unclear.True Blackbolt unleashed a scream there, but he's with allies when he did that scream against Apocalypse.So the scream he unleashed there might not be his most powerful.Compared to Infinity#3.I mean Blackbolt seemed more pissed when he unleashed that scream against Thanos

Originally posted by carver9
What's the context?

Apoc has an indestructible Celestial armor when he faced Thor, once Thor got the ability to penetrate it, he one-shotted Apoc like a chump.

Originally posted by Bentley
Apoc has an indestructible Celestial armor when he faced Thor, once Thor got the ability to penetrate it, he one-shotted Apoc like a chump.


With the same weapon that has been killing Celestials in one hit.

Gold point.

Its celestials' kryptonite. Aocalypse only has celestial armor, he isn't a celestial for it to affect him like it does to celestials.

Apoc morphs into a tree and stomps Thermos into the ground.

Originally posted by carver9
With the same weapon that has been killing Celestials in one hit.

Gold point.

apocalypse beat thor before the axe was encanted to harm celestials

A young thor without mjolnir, battle experience and right temper. One could argue physical strenght as well.

Originally posted by carver9
With the same weapon that has been killing Celestials in one hit.

Gold point.

I was focusing in the armor, which you'd have to prove it has been retconned into every previous Apocalypse showing ever. Good luck with that.Not even considering the mjolnirless Thor.

The only thing making you hype Apoc is that he punked Hulk like a child

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
A young thor without mjolnir, battle experience and right temper. One could argue physical strenght as well.

That same 'inexperienced' and 'unarmed' Thor was holding his own with Gorr with a regular unenchanted battle hammer.

He wasn't modern Thor, but he certainly was a capable Thor.

Originally posted by Bentley
I was focusing in the armor, which you'd have to prove it has been retconned into every previous Apocalypse showing ever. Good luck with that.Not even considering the mjolnirless Thor.

That fight against Prince Thor took place in the 11th century AD. A majority of Apocalypse's feats take place afterwards (for example, he met Sinister in Victorian England, 19th Century), chronologically, and in his possession of Celestial armor, as well as his possessing the Celestial Armor at the time he created Exodus, which was also in the 12th Century. It's not a leap in logic to deduce that the armor that Apocalypse possessed in the 11th Century when battling Thor was the same armor he possessed when he created Exodus and later in the 19th Century when he employs Sinister.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
That same 'inexperienced' and 'unarmed' Thor was holding his own with Gorr with a regular unenchanted battle hammer.

He wasn't modern Thor, but he certainly was a capable Thor.



That fight against Prince Thor took place in the 11th century AD. A majority of Apocalypse's feats take place afterwards (for example, he met Sinister in Victorian England, 19th Century), chronologically, and in his possession of Celestial armor, as well as his possessing the Celestial Armor at the time he created Exodus, which was also in the 12th Century. It's not a leap in logic to deduce that the armor that Apocalypse possessed in the 11th Century when battling Thor was the same armor he possessed when he created Exodus and later in the 19th Century when he employs Sinister.

Future Gorr =/= past Gorr in powerlevel. The same lightning that forced Gorr into that cave, would've been laughable to him around the time he was fighting all 3 thors.

Prince Thor fought Future Gorr as well. He lost, but he fought. Smacked Gorr through a wormhole and rode a space shark.

Prince Thor was a damn beast. Brash, impulsive, and cocky as hell, but he could throw down.

^ Gorr, once bonded with All-Black, made short of work of him when taking him on solo.

But Young Thor eventually gave as good as he took. And he took a hell of a lot of punishment from Gorr which included hurling himself into a sun along with Gorr.

Plus, again, he rode a f*ckin' space shark!

Originally posted by MF DELPH
It's not new armor, it's just that the origin and capabilities/magnitude of his armor have been better explained and fleshed out. Apocalypse has always had Celestial Armor since interfacing with Ship. It was just never stated just how powerful it actually was until recent updates depicting it as being granted by the Celestials in his role as their agent. He's essentially been re-established now as the Celestial's 'herald' of sorts.

When has Apocalypse ever had true Celestial Armor? He's always had different defenses in place adapted from Celestial techonlogy but he's armor has never been even the equivalent of a Celestial shell and indestructible.

This new reveal while cool isn't a retroactive retcon as the armor appeared and was cut down in that very same story. This might be how Remender wants to treat Apocalypse's armor in general but until we get another appearance, it's just the one.

Needless to say I disagree. Apocalypse's armor has always been Celestial tech based. Now, granted, in more recent stories Apocalypse's role and relationship with the Celestials as their agent/'gardener' has been introduced and more fleshed out (first introduced in a fuller context in the Blood of Apocalypse arc. Before that Apocalypse had been depicted as just co-opting Ship and created the armor himself from Celestial tech over centuries of study), but I disagree that this particular armor was a one off as Apocalypse integrated his body into the armor prior to the Gorr Arc, and that origin (Apocalypse finding ship and creating the armor) has in fact been retconned via the Blood of Apocalypse Arc to being that the Celestial's actually gifted Ship to Apocalypse and took him into their employ, further expanded recently in Age of Ultron/Uncanny Avengers to being that an "Apocalypse" is basically the 'herald' of the Celestials and that his role is essential to them and their plans for Earth, with the armor he received (and which Holocaust/Genocide was going to receive until the Twins intervened and interrupted the ritual) being part of the christening of a new Celestial Gardener. This new info just gives us more background on the armor's origins and scope. It's still the same armor Apocalypse had since receiving Ship, which has now been retconned to being given to Apocalypse on purpose.

It would just make sense for the herald of the Celestials to be more powerful than Odin's sexually confused love child, but oh well.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Needless to say I disagree. Apocalypse's armor has always been Celestial tech based. Now, granted, in more recent stories Apocalypse's role and relationship with the Celestials as their agent/'gardener' has been introduced and more fleshed out (first introduced in a fuller context in the Blood of Apocalypse arc. Before that Apocalypse had been depicted as just co-opting Ship and created the armor himself from Celestial tech over centuries of study), but I disagree that this particular armor was a one off as Apocalypse integrated his body into the armor prior to the Gorr Arc, and that origin (Apocalypse finding ship and creating the armor) has in fact been retconned via the Blood of Apocalypse Arc to being that the Celestial's actually gifted Ship to Apocalypse and took him into their employ, further expanded recently in Age of Ultron/Uncanny Avengers to being that an "Apocalypse" is basically the 'herald' of the Celestials and that his role is essential to them and their plans for Earth, with the armor he received (and which Holocaust/Genocide was going to receive until the Twins intervened and interrupted the ritual) being part of the christening of a new Celestial Gardener. This new info just gives us more background on the armor's origins and scope. It's still the same armor Apocalypse had since receiving Ship, which has now been retconned to being given to Apocalypse on purpose. You bring up fair points, but I'm more of the inclination to take a wait and see approach. And that reticence isn't simply resistance to the sweeping radical nature of this retcon.

It's more than possible that there have been several Apocalypse armors. And that not all of them were specifically gifted by the Celestials to be virtually invulnerable. The one Evan wore at the end of the Uncanny X-Force run given to him by Daken and Sabretooth, for example.

Agreed.

That's reasonable.

I'm still of the school of thought that Apocalypse himself would have no rational reason to employ less powerful armor, but I can't categorically say it's not possible.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Agreed.

That's reasonable.

I'm still of the school of thought that Apocalypse himself would have no rational reason to employ less powerful armor, but I can't categorically say it's not possible. Maybe the reason is because Thor had irreparably damaged his original Celestial-gifted armor and had no choice but to utilize inferior replacements from that point forward. I think that's what Rage.Of.Olympus is getting at.

ODG, what is the throwback to Michael Jackson character in your avatar, destroying in your sig?

Well, that's actually not the case though. Apocalypse has full control of his atomic structure and is a techno-organic being. He'd be able to mend himself from the wounds in time and the armor is integrated into his body (he's not like Ironman). He blew himself up to drop the X-Men and reformed from it on panel, as well as separating his head from his body, and forming holes in his body and morphing around incoming attacks. A big axe wound to the chest shouldn't matter in the long run to a techno-organic metamorph with a healing factor and molecular control. At least not in my opinion.

Originally posted by Galan007
ODG, what is the throwback to Michael Jackson character in your avatar, destroying in your sig? Builder fleet wing in Infinity #3. Originally posted by MF DELPH
Well, that's actually not the case though. Apocalypse has full control of his atomic structure and is a techno-organic being. He'd be able to mend himself from the wounds in time and the armor is integrated into his body (he's not like Ironman). But we have seen Evan wearing and then removing an Apocalypse armor exactly as Tony Stark would the Iron Man armor though. Originally posted by MF DELPH
He blew himself up to drop the X-Men and reformed from it on panel, as well as separating his head from his body, and forming holes in his body and morphing around incoming attacks. But you're assuming that this entire time, he's been manipulating and reforming his original bonified Celestial armor. An argument which hasn't been settled yet definitively. Originally posted by MF DELPH
A big axe wound to the chest shouldn't matter in the long run to a techno-organic metamorph with a healing factor and molecular control. At least not in my opinion. If that were the case, Apocalypse wouldn't have had to flee from Thor. And Celestials probably wouldn't be dying like flies off-panel.

Not necessarily. Apocalypse could have just retreated and recovered (that battle was in the 11th Century). I can't say definitively that the armor he was wearing in the 12th Century when he fought Sersi and created Exodus was the exact same set but it hasn't been depicted otherwise.

As for Evan, who was a clone, he never received the armor or merged with it via the Transmode Virus, and also, unlike the original Apocalypse, as was shown in Blood of Apocalypse when Cable dropped some of the original Apocalypse's blood into a tub of blood and organs and he reformed, the techno-organic virus which the original Apocalypse had integrated into his body allowed him to overwrite genetic material and recreate his body. Evan isn't En Sabah Nur and didn't have the Transmode virus, so Evan would be like Ironman putting on a suit. En Sabah Nur, on the other hand, actually merged with his suit and made it part of his body. In the in comic chronological timeline Apocalypse became techno-organic in Ancient Egypt in a fight with Cable prior to receiving and interfacing with Ship (I think it was in Fantastic Four 19 or Cable #8, can't remember which one off the top of my head). Anyway, Evan and Original Apocalypse aren't the same animal.

Thanos.

As for my argument, I agree with ODG in this, for the moment we need to see if this armor is going to be retconned into Apocalypse's history because claiming it's added to it's character. Is still essentially one showing that took place in the past in which we see the armor in question damaged.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Needless to say I disagree. Apocalypse's armor has always been Celestial tech based. Now, granted, in more recent stories Apocalypse's role and relationship with the Celestials as their agent/'gardener' has been introduced and more fleshed out (first introduced in a fuller context in the Blood of Apocalypse arc. Before that Apocalypse had been depicted as just co-opting Ship and created the armor himself from Celestial tech over centuries of study), but I disagree that this particular armor was a one off as Apocalypse integrated his body into the armor prior to the Gorr Arc, and that origin (Apocalypse finding ship and creating the armor) has in fact been retconned via the Blood of Apocalypse Arc to being that the Celestial's actually gifted Ship to Apocalypse and took him into their employ, further expanded recently in Age of Ultron/Uncanny Avengers to being that an "Apocalypse" is basically the 'herald' of the Celestials and that his role is essential to them and their plans for Earth, with the armor he received (and which Holocaust/Genocide was going to receive until the Twins intervened and interrupted the ritual) being part of the christening of a new Celestial Gardener. This new info just gives us more background on the armor's origins and scope. It's still the same armor Apocalypse had since receiving Ship, which has now been retconned to being given to Apocalypse on purpose.

I'm pretty much in agreement with ODG.

We mostly need to wait and see, but claiming that this armor is now always part of his arsenal when all the available evidence would suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

In the very same comic it was revealed, it was extremely damaged, most likely beyond repair. If it was as simple as healing himself and the armor, Apocalypse wouldn't have been barely conscious and have to flee for his life and the axe wouldn't be killing Celestials like hand ninjas.

It's very plausible that this armor was granted to him by the Celestials and had to be discarded for less durable duplications. Either way we don't know, but there's no basis for treating this anymore than isolated incident at this point in time.

There isn't any evidence to suggest otherwise, though. All we see is Apocalypse get cleaved with the axe, then he blows up his base, but he survives. There's nothing to base the armor being irreparably damaged upon. As a matter of fact, Apocalypse's appearance in Messiah War where he is able to interface with Ship and restore himself and his armor after being left for dead by Stryfe and Bishop lends more credence to my point of view. Apocalypse didn't enter his armory and place a new suit of armor on, he powered himself up and reformed it simply by interfacing with Celestial Technology as the armor is part of his form.

There's also zero evidence to suggest that any of the other 'Celestial Armors' would be of a lower grade than the armor gifted to Apocalypse as Apocalypse is gifted not only the armor, but the Celestial's Technology, one of their sentient ships (Ship), and the Death Seed.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Not necessarily. Apocalypse could have just retreated and recovered (that battle was in the 11th Century). I can't say definitively that the armor he was wearing in the 12th Century when he fought Sersi and created Exodus was the exact same set but it hasn't been depicted otherwise. And it hasn't been depicted as, either. Originally posted by MF DELPH
As for Evan, who was a clone, he never received the armor Evan received a suit of Apocalypse armor at the end of the original Uncanny X-Force run. He ended up rejecting it under Wolverine and Deadpool's guidance. Originally posted by MF DELPH
or merged with it via the Transmode Virus, and also, unlike the original Apocalypse, as was shown in Blood of Apocalypse when Cable dropped some of the original Apocalypse's blood into a tub of blood and organs and he reformed, the techno-organic virus which the original Apocalypse had integrated into his body allowed him to overwrite genetic material and recreate his body. Evan isn't En Sabah Nur and didn't have the Transmode virus, so Evan would be like Ironman putting on a suit. En Sabah Nur, on the other hand, actually merged with his suit and made it part of his body. In the in comic chronological timeline Apocalypse became techno-organic in Ancient Egypt in a fight with Cable prior to receiving and interfacing with Ship (I think it was in Fantastic Four 19 or Cable #8, can't remember which one off the top of my head). Again, you are just assuming Apocalypse inseparably merged with the original suit of Celestial-gifted armor rather than another separate suit of armor or that Apocalypse could never lose the original suit of Celestial-gifted armor even when sliced by Jarnbjorn. Originally posted by MF DELPH
Anyway, Evan and Original Apocalypse aren't the same animal. Evan not being equal to Apocalypse is an opinion -- and one that can be fairly argued -- but is nevertheless wholly irrelevant to my point. That there are different suits of Apocalypse armor which exist is a fact -- like the one Evan wore and then took off -- that is relevant to the discussion as to whether or not Apocalypse has only ever had his one Celestial-gifted, invulnerable armor or has possibly had different ones.

I need to clarify the context of that second quote. When I said Evan didn't receive the armor or merge with it I meant to say "and merge with it" as the complete statement. The or was an error that changed the meaning. What I meant was that Evan didn't incorporate it into his body as Apocalypse did. Evan is not techno-organic like the original Apocalypse was via the Transmode virus infection.

The instance I referenced in Messiah War evidences that the original Apocalypse, En Sabah Nur, has the armor incorporated into his body as he was able to reform it after interfacing with Ship.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
There isn't any evidence to suggest otherwise, though. All we see is Apocalypse get cleaved with the axe, then he blows up his base, but he survives. There's nothing to base the armor being irreparably damaged upon. Except for all the dead Celestials the Apocalypse twins have left in their wake using Jarnbjorn. There have been plenty of weapons and attacks that have damaged and pierced Celestials on-panel before, like the Odinsword, Phoenix/optic blast assault, Godblast, Mjolnir slam, etc. They almost always just reform in rather nonchalant fashion.

Jarnbjorn is different. It doesn't just pierce, it apparently destroys. Irreparably so.

I'm not following that line of reasoning. Apocalypse survived the assault. All of those Celestials received fatal attacks. There's clearly a difference in the properties of the Celestials and Apocalypse because the assault on Apocalypse wasn't fatal despite being a killing blow. Apocalypse survived long into the future. Possibly the fact that the Celestials are energy beings inside of their armors whereas Apocalypse is a techno-organic being.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'm not following that line of reasoning. Apocalypse survived the assault. All of those Celestials received fatal attacks. There's clearly a difference in the properties of the Celestials and Apocalypse because the assault on Apocalypse wasn't fatal despite being a killing blow. Apocalypse survived long into the future. Possibly the fact that the Celestials are energy beings inside of their armors whereas Apocalypse is a techno-organic being. Sounds like you answered your own question. Because Apocalypse is luckily, more than just a Celestial. He's also a mutant and he's got techo-organic traits. If he were just a Celestial, he'd be dead. Like all the other Celestials that have been killed by Jarnbjorn. Jarnbjorn, as we all agree, is specifically Celestial bane. Hell, Thor tanked the axe being embedded into his chest without dying either. But unlike all the other various attacks that the Celestials have suffered to their form without pause -- Thor chucking the Odisword through Arishem's chest, for instance -- Jarnbjorn can destroy their forms irreparably.

Which is evidence that Apocalypse's armor in that scene -- where we all agree as fact that it was Celestially-gifted to be invulnerable -- was damaged beyond repair. Because Jarnbjorn is specifically enchanted to do just that. Originally posted by MF DELPH
I need to clarify the context of that second quote. When I said Evan didn't receive the armor or merge with it I meant to say "and merge with it" as the complete statement. The or was an error that changed the meaning. What I meant was that Evan didn't incorporate it into his body as Apocalypse did. Evan is not techno-organic like the original Apocalypse was via the Transmode virus infection. Your observation is still irrelevant to the fact that there are different suits of Apocalypse armors. And again, whether or not Evan could merge with the suit via the t-o virus is still an arguable point. Evan may have inherited the t-o virus just by virtue of being resurrected/cloned by Clan Akkaba/Fantomex. Sure, we haven't seen Evan be explicitly exposed to the t-o virus on-panel anywhere, but that is all a rather moot point, as it's not like Evan lacks morphological powers over his own molecular structure. It's in his powerset. Originally posted by MF DELPH
The instance I referenced in Messiah War evidences that the original Apocalypse, En Sabah Nur, has the armor incorporated into his body as he was able to reform it after interfacing with Ship. Which assumes that Apocalypse repaired and reformed the original Celestial-gifted armor after it was shredded by Jarnbjorn and that it wasn't irreparably damaged. Apocalypse could have reformed a different set of armor. A replacement perhaps, for the originally gifted Celestial suit.

I'm still not following your line of reasoning. Apocalypse, unlike the Celestials, survived the assault. There's zero evidence to suggest that he then ditched the armor he was wearing because of the axe wound, and there is also zero evidence to suggest that, even granting the possibility that Apocalypse did don a different set of Celestial armor after the fact, that the 'new' Celestial armor was of a lower grade than the original, given that the Celestials not only provided him with the armor but also one of their sentient ships and their technology, as well as christening him their agent on Earth and gave him the Death Seed, so he would have all of the resources necessary, as their agent, to repair or recreate the armor, if need be, since he used the same Celestial Technology to create more armor (which wouldn't be "knockoff" armor as it would be incorporating first grade Celestial tech and materials provided by Ship and the Celestials).

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'm still not following your line of reasoning. Apocalypse, unlike the Celestials, survived the assault. There's zero evidence to suggest that he then ditched the armor he was wearing because of the axe wound, Except the evidence that Jarnbjorn has irreparably damaged Celestials proper despite them having been able to reform their armor/bodies after other attacks that have shredded them.

The proposition that Apocalypse's originally gifted Celestial armor was irreparably damaged beyond repair is supported by the fact that Jarnbjorn's specifically been used to irreparably damage the Celestials' own armor beyond repair. This is evidence. How is it not evidence? Originally posted by MF DELPH
and there is also zero evidence to suggest that, even granting the possibility that Apocalypse did don a different set of Celestial armor after the fact, that the 'new' Celestial armor was of a lower grade than the original, given that the Celestials not only provided him with the armor but also one of their sentient ships and their technology, as well as christening him their agent on Earth and gave him the Death Seed, so he would have all of the resources necessary, as their agent, to repair or recreate the armor, if need be, The armor isn't created with the Death Seed or by the Celestial ship. Per the retcon, it's an entirely separate thing from either as we see Genocide inside Apocalypse's ship, having newly received a Death Seed, but being stopped the moment before receiving proper Apocalypse armor. He had the ship already as his base of operations having inherited it after Archangel's death, he had just been given a Death Seed... the Celestial didn't tell him to bugger off and create his own armor. Genocide had to wait for it and got interrupted by Eimin and Uriel. Originally posted by MF DELPH
since he used the same Celestial Technology to create more armor (which wouldn't be "knockoff" armor as it would be incorporating first grade Celestial tech and materials provided by Ship and the Celestials). Again, you're simply assuming Apocalypse, in fact, recreated the same original armor on his own with his Celestial technology. Rather than being only able to provide Apocalypse the necessary resources to manufacture reasonably close, but not bonafide invulnerable, copies.

This assumption also overlooking other plot hole absurdities such as a Celestial ship capable of accomplishing what a Celestial itself cannot? Repairing invulnerable armor rent apart by Jarnbjorn? And Evan having received, and refused, an invulnerable Celestial armor... one suit of which was just lying around for Daken and Sabretooth to find?

I'm still not following your line of reasoning. Jarnbjorn killed the Celestials outright. They didn't have the opportunity to regenerate. Eimin killed the Celestial Gardener that was going to give Genocide the Celestial Armor in what, one or two blows? Apocalypse was able to survive with Jarnbjorn cleaved from his shoulder to mid chest. That clearly shows that the effect of the assaults on the Celestials and the assault on Apocalypse by Thor was different, and the blow from the axe doesn't just cause the armor to dissolve to nothingness.

At this point there is no evidence to suggest that Apocalypse's armor was irreparably damaged and discarded. Assuming the armor was irreparably damaged, there is zero evidence that Apocalypse was unable to repair it or create a new armor of equal quality, just as there's zero evidence for or against Apocalypse simply asking the Celestial Gardener for a replacement armor (which, apparently, it was capable of providing since the Gardener was able to provide Genocide with an armor upon deeming him worthy). It's wholely possible, though there is zero evidence, that the armor that was given to Evan could have been a backup armor provided by the Celestial Gardener that Apocalypse simply kept stored as a contingency plan and was discovered by Archangel and Co. during the Dark Angel Arc. Moreover, the notion of Apocalypse creating the armors he wore himself was a product of his original origin which was his make-shifting the armor by interfacing with Ship and incorporating their technology into his body, which he happened upon by accident. That has been retconned to a purposeful event orchestrated by the Celestials themselves, with Apocalypse playing no part in the crafting of the armor at all and having it provided to him as their herald/"Caretaker".

I think we're at "agree to disagree" territory now, though.

None of this discussion changes the fact that, until more on-panel evidence and feats are provided, Thanos is above, and beating, Apocalypse. My Apocalypse fandom, no matter how steadfast, doesn't change that fact.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'm still not following your line of reasoning. Jarnbjorn killed the Celestials outright. They didn't have the opportunity to regenerate. Eimin killed the Celestial Gardener that was going to give Genocide the Celestial Armor in what, one or two blows? Apocalypse was able to survive with Jarnbjorn cleaved from his shoulder to mid chest. That clearly shows that the effect of the assaults on the Celestials and the assault on Apocalypse by Thor was different, and the blow from the axe doesn't just cause the armor to dissolve to nothingness. One blow. It insta-kills Celestials. On-panel and off-panel. It doesn't dissolve their armor into nothingness. Just damages it beyond all repair. This is evidence that Celestial armor can be damaged beyond all repair. A notion you seem to be offended by, despite the obviousness of it all. Originally posted by MF DELPH
At this point there is no evidence to suggest that Apocalypse's armor was irreparably damaged and discarded. I don't get how you keep ignoring that this is what Jarnbjorn was specifically enchanted to do. It won't insta-kill Thor or a techno-virus enhanced mutant donning Celestial armor, but it causes damage to Celestial armor beyond repair. Damage to Abstract beings who have had their physical armor/bodies destroyed, shattered, cleaved, stabbed, and who generally never are bothered by such damage because they almost always can simply reform immediately... just not when cleaved by Jarnbjorn. It's special that way. Originally posted by MF DELPH
Assuming the armor was irreparably damaged, there is zero evidence that Apocalypse was unable to repair it or create a new armor of equal quality, Actually, there's zero evidence that shows Apocalypse can recreate bonafide Celestial armors willy-nilly. Your references to his possession of a Death Seed and the Celestial ship proved to be wholly separate matters from the Celestial armor, as shown when Genocide's ascension was interrupted. Originally posted by MF DELPH
just as there's zero evidence for or against Apocalypse simply asking the Celestial Gardener for a replacement armor (which, apparently, it was capable of providing since the Gardener was able to provide Genocide with an armor upon deeming him worthy). It's wholely possible, though there is zero evidence, that the armor that was given to Evan could have been a backup armor provided by the Celestial Gardener that Apocalypse simply kept stored as a contingency plan and was discovered by Archangel and Co. during the Dark Angel Arc. The Celestials don't strike me as the type of beings who answer Apocalypse's supply needs like pizza delivery men.

Apocalypse: "Yo, 1-800-ARMR-PLZ, sum blonde douche jus wreckd my armorz, I needz new one. Like, rite naoz."
Celestial: "Be right there, sir. Try not to get this new one damaged. Also, we'll throw in another one with this next delivery in case you get your ass kicked by Scott Summers."
Apocalypse: "Who?"
Celestial: "... forget I said that. Don't worry about it. Not for another 1,000 years anyway."
Apocalypse: "When?"
Celestial: "Bye now!" Originally posted by MF DELPH
Moreover, the notion of Apocalypse creating the armors he wore himself was a product of his original origin which was his make-shifting the armor by interfacing with Ship and incorporating their technology into his body, which he happened upon by accident. A notion which could seemlessly fall in line with Rage.Of.Olympus' actual argument. That Apocalypse can generate armor on his own, but at one point in time, Apocalypse had a really special suit of armor that was invulnerable, but damaged beyond repair by a weapon that was specifically enchanted to do just that. Originally posted by MF DELPH
That has been retconned to a purposeful event orchestrated by the Celestials themselves, with Apocalypse playing no part in the crafting of the armor at all and having it provided to him as their herald/"Caretaker".

I think we're at "agree to disagree" territory now, though.

None of this discussion changes the fact that, until more on-panel evidence and feats are provided, Thanos is above, and beating, Apocalypse. My Apocalypse fandom, no matter how steadfast, doesn't change that fact. You actually don't have to so absolutist as the retcon didn't explicitly do away with Apocalypse's ship, or Apocalypse stumbling upon it accidentally, or Apocalypse discovering eventually that he would be the beneficiary of Celestial technology. And Apocalypse having the ability to create his own bastardized armor that seems to not be as formidable as the bonafide Celestial one he fought Thor with way in the past is actually a notion that Rage.Of.Olympus' arguments revolve around and hinge upon.

Agreed. It's possible Apocalypse could be perpetually donning repaired/replaced invulnerable Celestial armors, but if I could have disproved it, I would have. But proving the negative here is a rather lopsided burden and the subject just isn't that important to me. I just don't think it's likely and I think a close examination of the facts and circumstances bears that out.

Ok.

Just a couple things, then I'm done-done:

-The Celestial Gardener's role was to tend to the Caretaker (Apocalypse, or his heir), so chances are it actually would have provided Apocalypse with the tools he would need to perform his role as Apocalypse is their employee.

-The axe is enchanted to kill the Celestials instantly (I won't go into the big plot hole with Odin not simply enchanting the Destroyer and Odinsword with the spell at the 4th Host...). It stands to reason that, with the spell meant to kill Celestials, and Apocalypse not being a Celestial, the spell was able to bypass his protection (the armor) but didn't kill him as he's not a Celestial, though in the case of actual Celestials when the blade pierces the armor that's all she wrote so they can't reform their armor as they're dead.

Not posting this to get the last word and you're welcome to retort, just wanted to touch on those points. I'm done with this topic.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I won't go into the big plot hole with Odin not simply enchanting the Destroyer and Odinsword with the spell at the 4th Host... JIM 300 is legendary so that new stuff is forgotten in my book

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Ok.

Just a couple things, then I'm done-done:

-The Celestial Gardener's role was to tend to the Caretaker (Apocalypse, or his heir), so chances are it actually would have provided Apocalypse with the tools he would need to perform his role as Apocalypse is their employee. Who knows? Maybe the Celestials didn't think Apocalypse could ever lose his invulnerable Celestial armor to a hidden plot device axe that has done what no other weapon has ever done before. Maybe Apocalypse was just too embarrassed to ask for another. Or maybe he thought his own bastardized versions would be better suited anyway since the original armor was just cut down by a weapon that rendered it useless.

It's not exactly unreasonable for Apocalypse to stop using an armor that has a brutally glaring flaw, no matter its other strengths. Originally posted by MF DELPH
-The axe is enchanted to kill the Celestials instantly (I won't go into the big plot hole with Odin not simply enchanting the Destroyer and Odinsword with the spell at the 4th Host...). It stands to reason that, with the spell meant to kill Celestials, and Apocalypse not being a Celestial, the spell was able to bypass his protection (the armor) but didn't kill him as he's not a Celestial, though in the case of actual Celestials when the blade pierces the armor that's all she wrote so they can't reform their armor as they're dead. Not sure how this observation runs counter to anything I've said. Celestials do have their armor bypassed all the time though. Thor bashed and blasted Exitar's domepiece. Arishem was ran through by the Odinsword. There's only one weapon that took em apart beyond their abilities to heal/reform though.

Anyway, that big plot hole might be more topical than you think. Odin and Thor had this random uber axe to kill Celestials. At least, they definitely knew about it even if it wasn't in their immediate possession (which, again, isn't even really clear). But they ended up eschewing its use. A somewhat baffling act of behavior that would mirror Apocalypse not ever replacing his invulnerable Celestial armor, should it have been permanently destroyed in that fight.

Obviously, these absurd turns in behavior are simply casualties of plot. But you can't tell me this new retcon shouldn't make Apocalypse look dumb for never trying to replace his armor when Odin/Thor never bothered to use the enchantment/axe again during the Fourth Celestial Host confrontation. And, again, maybe if you think hard enough, there are perfectly logical explanations. Either way, Remender is more concerned with the now than the past, possible unintentional character assassinations aside.

And since that's obviously the case, I highly doubt that Remender was forever redefining every Apocalypse fight seen on-panel because, hey! indestructible armor that can kick the sh1t out of drunk Thor. Originally posted by MF DELPH
Not posting this to get the last word and you're welcome to retort, just wanted to touch on those points. I'm done with this topic. This discussion turned out to be more interesting than I initially anticipated. So I'm sad now.

Apoc can win a few fisticuffs. no prep, good ole fashion bar fight would be nice.

Is there Apo's feat which match thanos's?
I can't conceive it.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
JIM 300 is legendary so that new stuff is forgotten in my book Agreed. I can't be bothered with crappy forgettable new stories that just mess up the old classics.

I think those Celestials will just come back at some point anyway.

Thanos FP??? this is stomp

Thanos stomps.

Thanos

Apoc

Thanos stomps

Lol Thanos wins.

This is a great thread,but I think Thanos wins in a long battle,but eventually gets the better of Apocolypse.The guys ego just does not match his power set,it is far to big!

Even current Thanos I'd give the edge to. Apoc is one of those guys who every so often seems like he might have the potential to hang with Thanos types, but doesn't quite deliver.

Originally posted by basilisk
Even current Thanos I'd give the edge to. Apoc is one of those guys who every so often seems like he might have the potential to hang with Thanos types, but doesn't quite deliver. what do you mean by current Thanos ?

Current Thanos is depowered didnt you know?
He got punched around by guys with a cosmic cube.
That's some weak shit right there...uhuh