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No mallet for Thor.


Match set.

And Go!

Depends on how Lobo's healing factor is treated tbh. IIRC in the R.E.B.E.L.S. run he was healing from serious injuries like it was a joke but at the same time Smite stalemated him in a fist fight and they sat in a bar afterward, both bruised etc. As such, I'll assume it's treated like this power mostly is.

If it's a good portrayal like in R.E.B.E.L.S it's probably a split. Edge to the Odinson if he gets tactical but that's unlikely.

Lobo mauls Goldielocks.

That's silly. He's had some pretty good showings in his last few appearances but anyone who thinks he's going to steam roll Thor is deluding themselves.

Edit: This is pretty much how I see it going.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lobo vs. Smite:

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Excluding the bruising for the Odinson.

Originally posted by "Id"
No mallet for Thor.


Match set.

And Go!

What did Thor ever do to you?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Depends on how Lobo's healing factor is treated tbh. IIRC in the R.E.B.E.L.S. run he was healing from serious injuries like it was a joke but at the same time Smite stalemated him in a fist fight and they sat in a bar afterward, both bruised etc. As such, I'll assume it's treated like this power mostly is.

If it's a good portrayal like in R.E.B.E.L.S it's probably a split. Edge to the Odinson if he gets tactical but that's unlikely.

On average, he's like a lower level Shaggy Man. Thor's a on level that can knock him around. The problem is keeping him down.. He's like classic Undertaker in damage soak.

Depends on how much the toon force is working.

Conventionally, I'd give Lobo the edge in a fist fight, but given his actual fights with people like Superman and others, I don't see him beating Thor with anything resembling ease.

Originally posted by cdtm
He's like classic Undertaker in damage soak.

Reference = win

what happened to undertaker?

Classic Taker was nigh unstoppable.

Current Taker is formidable but really only pulls out all the stops at Wrestlemania.

He's at least a solid tier below what he once was.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
what happened to undertaker?

Originally, Undertakers gimmick was to be like the Wrestling equivalent of Jason Vorhee's. He'd no sell EVERYTHING, including finishers. Hell, Jake the Snake slammed his hands in a coffin, and gave him one of the most brutal beatdowns ever, and UT kept coming at him.

He still lost, but only by using the cheapest tactics like pulling the tights, or getting half the locker room to dogpile him and close him in a casket during a casket match.

Current Taker isn't anywhere near as unstoppable, and can be put down. It takes a LOT to do it, but it can be done.

EGMGPVRfjV0

Classic UT.

Their match at Wrestlemania was spite against Jake.

Yeah, but did he retire?

Paul Bearer was one of the greatest managers of all time.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, but did he retire? hasnt been seen since wrestlemania afaik.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, but did he retire?

No, he's still active. I think he lost a feud with Kane fairly recently. (Year or two ago.)

Mostly, he'll disappear until Wrestlmania these days.

I hear he's not in the shape he used to be, so he was thinking about retiring. he's one one of the old ones left.

Lol, from Thor/Lobo to wrestling all in a few posts.

Yeah, his last match was with Triple H at Wrestlemania.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/thor-vs-lobo/10634/?page=2

check this site out page 2 they reckon lobo fought a few gods...

Current Undertaker has shit durability. He's been getting by on his healing factor alone.

when taker first came up (it was actually dibiase the million dollar man who intro'd him to the wwf) he was AWESOME--unbeatable. lol i recall there was talk that he'd pinned hogan in some non-televised match but i was never sure.

as for the match--probably lobo for a slight majority. that could change dramatically depending on the version of lobo of course.

taker ftw

he's back

thor imo wins

Members need to change the tune of their beat. All this talk about which version of Lobo, is becoming redundant.

As a Fan, and more importantly working on redoing Lobo's respect thread. I've come to realize that Lobo has been consistently strong since his introduction. He's been a team wrecker since Justice League International #018 way back in 1987.

Even by current times, he is still a team wrecker; Teen Titans, Shadow Pact, Green Lanterns etc..

And thats just Lobo outside his own books.

Originally posted by "Id"
Members need to change the tune of their beat. All this talk about which version of Lobo, is becoming redundant.

As a Fan, and more importantly working on redoing Lobo's respect thread. I've come to realize that Lobo has been consistently strong since his introduction. He's been a team wrecker since Justice League International #018 way back in 1987.

Even by current times, he is still a team wrecker; Teen Titans, Shadow Pact, Green Lanterns etc..

And thats just Lobo outside his own books.

Truth. And when will the respect thread be done?

Lobo FTW! But a good fight.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Truth. And when will the respect thread be done?

Lobo FTW! But a good fight.

I can't give you a date, this one is going to be massive. But this is what I've got so far.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=668067

Originally posted by "Id"
Members need to change the tune of their beat. All this talk about which version of Lobo, is becoming redundant.

As a Fan, and more importantly working on redoing Lobo's respect thread. I've come to realize that Lobo has been consistently strong since his introduction. He's been a team wrecker since Justice League International #018 way back in 1987.

Even by current times, he is still a team wrecker; Teen Titans, Shadow Pact, Green Lanterns etc..

And thats just Lobo outside his own books.

YES!

I've run into too many otherwise reasonable posters that simply dismiss Lobo as some kind of joke, no matter what feats of arguments you make. Matched Etrigan the Demon? PIS, Etrigan has even higher feats. Near literally laughed off Desperos punches? Also PIS, because Despero punked Martian Manhunter who MUST be above Lobo and has better feats.

And they'll use Superman speed blitzing Lobo ad nausm in their counter arguments, which is ONE fight of many between the characters. But of course, the time Lobo punked Supes is PIS...

There's always an excuse or reason to dismiss him. It can be kind of irritating, if you're a fan.

Here are a few new scans that are not found in any Lobo respect thread. Hot of the scanner.

Lobo resists survives a trip through a black hole.
Time
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http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/672/blackhole1k.jpg

And Time
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http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7344/blackhole2t.jpg

And Time Again.
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http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/2489/blackhole3.jpg

Here is another. With his clones, Lobo could instantly repopulate Czarnia. Fabricate weapons potent to wreck entire solar systems....That No force in the Universe would be able to stand up to such an army.
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http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9059/loboarmy2.jpg

I wish they would show Lobo's super speed more often.

At least he has a recent showing though when he creamed that Okaaran Green Lantern in R.E.B.E.L.S.

And I remember a time when Lobo was capable of speed blitzing Superman with ease.

in my case, "version" may have been the wrong term. fact is though that he is depicted differently by different writers. there are times i would say he would definitely beat thor, but there are times i can see thor winning some. he's always tough, but the level of toughness does vary from time to time. some of his regeneration feats alone would make it almost impossible for him to lose this. trying to take a most average or consistent showing for lobo is hard, which is why i say typically he'd win the majority but thor could certainly take some imo.

Originally posted by cdtm
YES!

I've run into too many otherwise reasonable posters that simply dismiss Lobo as some kind of joke, no matter what feats of arguments you make. Matched Etrigan the Demon? PIS, Etrigan has even higher feats. Near literally laughed off Desperos punches? Also PIS, because Despero punked Martian Manhunter who MUST be above Lobo and has better feats.

And they'll use Superman speed blitzing Lobo ad nausm in their counter arguments, which is ONE fight of many between the characters. But of course, the time Lobo punked Supes is PIS...

There's always an excuse or reason to dismiss him. It can be kind of irritating, if you're a fan.

What about Lobo losing to Wolverine in Marvel vs DC? Non-Canon am i rite? Yet even in the same comic, they had Lobo fistcuffing with Thanos. The City being torn to bits by the two.

Originally posted by "Id"
What about Lobo losing to Wolverine in Marvel vs DC? Non-Canon am i rite? Yet even in the same comic, they had Lobo fistcuffing with Thanos. The City being torn to bits by the two.

You should totally add the scan where Lobo says in his own title how Xavier paid him to throw the fight.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
You should totally add the scan where Lobo says in his own title how Xavier paid him to throw the fight.



really? love to see that. it's about the only acceptable explanation of that travesty.....

I don't look to define the character by variations. The way I look at Lobo is as followed;

On average he is a Superman class brawler. Point, blank, period. And thats in the main stream books, making his guest appearance.

In his own book his feats/showings escalate into higher highs. But go figure its his own book. Its the same case with many characters including Thor.

He routinely jobs more often due the nature of his books, in attempting to portray a humorous scene. Well if your shooting for a humorous book, it comes with the territory. Ask Deadpool, he gets the same treatment.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
You should totally add the scan where Lobo says in his own title how Xavier paid him to throw the fight.

I know what scan your talking about. It was on his ongoing title. le me look.

I personally liked Lobo's showings when he was paid to fight Hal/Carol/Sinestro/Atrocitus/etc.

Yeah, neither Lobo or Atrocitus were fighting for real because it was all a con job but I'd like to see most other Superman class characters roll with it as smoothly as he did.

Originally posted by "Id"
I don't look to define the character by variations. The way I look at Lobo is as followed;

On average he is a Superman class brawler. Point, blank, period. And thats in the main stream books, making his guest appearance.

In his own book his feats/showings escalate into higher highs. But go figure its his own book. Its the same case with many characters including Thor.

He routinely jobs more often due the nature of his books, in attempting to portray a humorous scene. Well if your shooting for a humorous book, it comes with the territory. Ask Deadpool, he gets the same treatment.

it's the comedic scenes that make him hard to gauge sometimes though. pool's a decent example except that you'd never see a fart from pool be a cosmic event.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's the comedic scenes that make him hard to gauge sometimes though. pool's a decent example except that you'd never see a fart from pool be a cosmic event.

Well ok, but references such as those really come from people trying to downplay Lobo brings up that feat. No real fan will come in, and say. Look Lobo k.o. Thor, by lighting up a match, and blow a fart in his face.

Though legitimately, I don't believe Thor could survive that.


Or how about a real scene. Lobo breaks his hand when he punches Darksied.

That makes no sense, Lobo has sustained far greater punishment than breaking his hand, and continued to fight on. BUT! more importantly, why bring up that scene in the first place? Its Non-Cannon!


These type of arguments, make the member look lame. You kinda like Lobo, but you dont want to see him lose to your fav. chara.

Lame

Originally posted by leonidas
there are times i would say he would definitely beat thor, but there are times i can see thor winning some. he's always tough, but the level of toughness does vary from time to time.

?

That at the very least goes both ways.

Originally posted by "Id" I don't look to define the character by variations. The way I look at Lobo is as followed; On average he is a Superman class brawler. Point, blank, period. And thats in the main stream books, making his guest appearance. In his own book his feats/showings escalate into higher highs. But go figure its his own book. Its the same case with many characters including Thor. He routinely jobs more often due the nature of his books, in attempting to portray a humorous scene. Well if your shooting for a humorous book, it comes with the territory. Ask Deadpool, he gets the same treatment.

werent u doing a dr fate respect thread as well? did u stop?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
?

That at the very least goes both ways.

not nearly as much for thor in straight h2h. with his hammer? sure.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
werent u doing a dr fate respect thread as well? did u stop?

Yup.

Dr. Fate is a pain in the ass, way too many showings to track down.

Ugh.

That reminds me that I have a Dark Beast respect that has all the scans, that I could get my hands on, ready to be posted. But I really was hoping for a username switch before making it.

But guess that won't be happening before Armageddon.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I personally liked Lobo's showings when he was paid to fight Hal/Carol/Sinestro/Atrocitus/etc.

Yeah, neither Lobo or Atrocitus were fighting for real because it was all a con job but I'd like to see most other Superman class characters roll with it as smoothly as he did.

And he did punk Sinestro.

Given how he's been written to beat team beaters (With Ganthet and Kyle on the team), that's a feat in itself.

Originally posted by leonidas
not nearly as much for thor in straight h2h. with his hammer? sure.

I disagree. Thor's just as strong and probably harder to hurt but Lobo's healing factor balances it out if it doesn't give him the edge.

It isn't in anyway a win guarantee, characters can and have stalemated him in hand to hand before. Sometimes beaten him, Even when a writer has a high end interpretation of his healing factor it happens such as the fight with Strife. His healing factor is uber, no doubt, but it doesn't go that far. Same applies for Wolverine, Hulk, Juggernaut etc. It doesn't make much sense but hey, comics. Thor's stalemated a raging class 100 who has nigh infinite strength potential, invulnerability and an ever increasing healing factor.

Tbh though, I need to re-read Lobo solo runs, I'm slacking on that side, not something I'm fond of in a debate.

Originally posted by cdtm
And he did punk Sinestro.

Given how he's been written to beat team beaters (With Ganthet and Kyle on the team), that's a feat in itself.
Here is a better one. It was recently revealed that Lobo clone was running around for the past years.

His Ferocity: It took the collective might of hell to submit Lobo.

His Durability: Imprisoned in Detention D1, the enchantments that bind Lobo to its prison, will devour any lesser beings, body, and soul. No one, not even Nero (A Skyfater Level Being), can withstand the runespout that contained him years.

Damage Soak: The entire Labyrinth was powered by torturing Lobo for years.

From Reign in Helll (2008). Written by Keith Giffen.

This is by far the truest portrayal of Lobo, since its was written in modern times, by its creator, on a mainstream mini outside of his self title.

No way am I buying that Thor is harder to hurt than Lobo. The fact that Lobo is just as durable as Thor, and factor in his Healing factor. Regardless of the level its operating (which thankfully as of recent, is back to its high levels). More than tips the scales in his favor Durability/Damage soak.


Somewhere along the lines, being an actual immortal that can regenerate from a single drop of blood makes it that much harder to convince any knowledgeable member otherwise.

Originally posted by "Id"
Here is a better one. It was recently revealed that Lobo clone was running around for the past years.

His Ferocity: It took the collective might of hell to submit Lobo.

His Durability: Imprisoned in Detention D1, the enchantments that bind Lobo to its prison, will devour any lesser beings, body, and soul. No one, not even Nero (A Skyfater Level Being), can withstand the runespout that contained him years.

Damage Soak: The entire Labyrinth was powered by torturing Lobo for years.

From Reign in Helll (2008). Written by Keith Giffen.

This is by far the truest portrayal of Lobo, since its was written in modern times, by its creator, on a mainstream mini outside of his self title.

Wait, what?

A Clone?

*did not get a chance to read Reign in Hell yet*

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Wait, what?

A Clone?

*did not get a chance to read Reign in Hell yet*
Here you go.

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How long has it been a Doppelganger instead of the Real Lobo?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I disagree. Thor's just as strong and probably harder to hurt but Lobo's healing factor balances it out if it doesn't give him the edge.

It isn't in anyway a win guarantee, characters can and have stalemated him in hand to hand before. Sometimes beaten him, Even when a writer has a high end interpretation of his healing factor it happens such as the fight with Strife. His healing factor is uber, no doubt, but it doesn't go that far. Same applies for Wolverine, Hulk, Juggernaut etc. It doesn't make much sense but hey, comics. Thor's stalemated a raging class 100 who has nigh infinite strength potential, invulnerability and an ever increasing healing factor.

Tbh though, I need to re-read Lobo solo runs, I'm slacking on that side, not something I'm fond of in a debate.

well, disagreement makes the forum run. id actually said pretty well everything i would have said re lobo and his ability to be hurt/damage soak. and of course lobo CAN be beaten and has been stalemated. you said thor's showings vary from typical to very high end. i agreed. i disagreed that his h2h showings varied as widely and i stand by that.

basically lobo is as strong as thor imo (or its closest enough to be a meaningless difference) but in this battle his healing factor will net him wins via attrition. can thor win? yes, as i said. but i see lobo taking the majority.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
How long has it been a Doppelganger instead of the Real Lobo?

I like to think as far back as the Lobo that lost to Eclipso possessed Superman, was a clone.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, disagreement makes the forum run. id actually said pretty well everything i would have said re lobo and his ability to be hurt/damage soak. and of course lobo CAN be beaten and has been stalemated. you said thor's showings vary from typical to very high end. i agreed. i disagreed that his h2h showings varied as widely and i stand by that.

basically lobo is as strong as thor imo (or its closest enough to be a meaningless difference) but in this battle his healing factor will net him wins via attrition. can thor win? yes, as i said. but i see lobo taking the majority.

True. I said everything you wanted, what? Confused by that. Lobo has greater disparity between his lows and highs, but you made it seem like his highs are higher than Thor's.

Maybe, I just don't think a healing factor is an auto win and if it were to be written, I doubt that would be the case. Being able to heal from even the most extreme of injuries doesn't mean you can't be knocked out or beaten in comics.

Thor's stalemated an enraged Hulk, a Power Gem tapping Drax, held his own against the Destroyer in extended fights etc. Few characters without healing factors can take beatings like him, I think he has the damage soak and endurance to take a split. If Lobo wins, it's not going to be more than a slight majority imho.

I think Thor will do at least as well as say Strife.

Characters with comparable strength/durability aren't going to be K.O.ed by a single punch. If it comes down to cumulative damage, than you have to give the edge to the person that can recuperate quicker than other.

In Lobo's case, he can heal quicker than Superman can harm him. As said, and shown on panel.

Originally posted by "Id"
No way am I buying that Thor is harder to hurt than Lobo.

Why? Thor's more durable almost by default depending on how much play one trait gets. There's almost always a trade off between damage resistance and a healing factor. The more one is played up, the less play the other gets. Just the nature of the beast.

Originally posted by "Id"
The fact that Lobo is just as durable as Thor, and factor in his Healing factor. Regardless of the level its operating (which thankfully as of recent, is back to its high levels). More than tips the scales in his favor Durability/Damage soak.

Somewhere along the lines, being an actual immortal that can regenerate from a single drop of blood makes it that much harder to convince any knowledgeable member otherwise.

Disagree with that, at least current high end healing Lobo. I could never see Thor suffering injuries of the magnitude that were shown in R.E.B.E.L.S. even if Galactus was blasting the Odinson. I know there are incarnations who have invulnerability on par with Thor's. Any high end incarnation should be able to take a punch nearly as well as Thor though, just easier to bruise most likely. Guess that makes it ultimately irrelevant.

Que? I ain't saying Thor has superior damage soak, Lobo can take a ridiculous amount of injury without a problem.

Yet the Thor lacks the elements, that otherwise hurted Lobo. Simply put Thor cant replicate those scenes through fist pounding.

Pulsar blasted the living crap out of Lobo. Thor may be able to replicate that, but only through his own blasting ability which he lacks in this fight.

But when trading shots between between being of Thor's caliber (Captain Marvel/Superman). You've never seen him sustain that kind of punishment. His invulnerability towards blunt force is just as high.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True. I said everything you wanted, what? Confused by that. Lobo has greater disparity between his lows and highs, but you made it seem like his highs are higher than Thor's.

no, i was saying his highs in STRAIGHT H2H are higher and vary more widely. thor has high end feats that may be better than lobo's, but his hammer plays an integral role in all those feats. i'm comparing his feats WITHOUT his hammer to lobo's.



i agreed with that already. healing is not auto-win, but when all else is pretty equal between them, the healing is still a very large advantage.



i'll not play the 'list characters each has beaten and who has beaten them' game. lobo has a long and impressive list, and he's got some lower showings as does thor. but most of thor's high end stuff is done via hammer. lobo has no such advantage. but i agree lobo takes a majority, though i'd say 7/10 to your less than that.

Originally posted by leonidas
no, i was saying his highs in STRAIGHT H2H are higher and vary more widely. thor has high end feats that may be better than lobo's, but his hammer plays an integral role in all those feats. i'm comparing his feats WITHOUT his hammer to lobo's.

Exactly what hand to hand showings does Lobo possess that puts him so distinctly above Thor?

Beating on Superman in their first encounter comes to mind but that's as much of an outlier as an injured Thor killing both Hulk and Thing in hand to hand. It's also less impressive.

IIRC, he once temporarily knocked out Captain Marvel with a sucker punch, which is pretty good I guess. On the other hand, Thor did the very same against Abomination who was definitely on that level physically at the time.

And I'm assuming you are aware that unless his charging his hammer with energy attacks or some such, his fists are a suitable substitute most of the time. Even under someone like Simonson. I'd even go so far as to use something like his battle with Dumb Drax despite Mjolnir if for no reason other than he couldn't have taken those punches in such stride if he was physically inferior.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agreed with that already. healing is not auto-win, but when all else is pretty equal between them, the healing is still a very large advantage.

It's really not the advantage you want it to be. Thor would most likely stalemate Lobo in hand to hand if they were to meet up pretending anything more than that is certain is just...well the evidence simply doesn't hold up from what I've seen.

A healing factor doesn't make one infallible. Even when a writer treats it as high end such as his appearances in R.E.B.E.L.S. Strife was still able to stalemate him.

Tbf, in the retconned fight, Lobo said he was healing faster than Superman was hurting him, the trade off however being was the one sided ass kicking.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll not play the 'list characters each has beaten and who has beaten them' game. lobo has a long and impressive list, and he's got some lower showings as does thor. but most of thor's high end stuff is done via hammer. lobo has no such advantage. but i agree lobo takes a majority, though i'd say 7/10 to your less than that.

Trying to undermine Thor because he uses Mjolnir is silly, after Lee, it's a substitute for his fist on average. Writers have gone out of their way to highlight how dangerous he is without it such as his battles with Loki/Fenris, Juggernaut, Hrinmeer etc.

I'm still not sure what long list of victories Lobo has to put him above Thor.

He'll be lucky to take 6 out of 10.

Reposted, because it's freakin awesome.

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Shows how big Lobos rep is, if he's being hired to bring in friggan Despero.

And I defy anyone to post scans of anyone, including Superman, actually trading blows with Despero, much less shrugging off his attacks.

The only one that even comes close is Starro, and that was more Worf Effect than anything.

Being able to affect Despero while notable isn't something beyond say Martian Manhunter or Kara from what I remember of that arc. Still, the Main Man at the very least can physically take a punch on that level better than any other JLI member including John.

I think the Main Man takes it. But Thor gives him a hell of a fight.

The only chance Thor has is with BFR, without it he dies

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think the Main Man takes it. But Thor gives him a hell of a fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Exactly what hand to hand showings does Lobo possess that puts him so distinctly above Thor?

Beating on Superman in their first encounter comes to mind but that's as much of an outlier as an injured Thor killing both Hulk and Thing in hand to hand. It's also less impressive.

IIRC, he once temporarily knocked out Captain Marvel with a sucker punch, which is pretty good I guess. On the other hand, Thor did the very same against Abomination who was definitely on that level physically at the time.

And I'm assuming you are aware that unless his charging his hammer with energy attacks or some such, his fists are a suitable substitute most of the time. Even under someone like Simonson. I'd even go so far as to use something like his battle with Dumb Drax despite Mjolnir if for no reason other than he couldn't have taken those punches in such stride if he was physically inferior.



It's really not the advantage you want it to be. Thor would most likely stalemate Lobo in hand to hand if they were to meet up pretending anything more than that is certain is just...well the evidence simply doesn't hold up from what I've seen.

A healing factor doesn't make one infallible. Even when a writer treats it as high end such as his appearances in R.E.B.E.L.S. Strife was still able to stalemate him.

Tbf, in the retconned fight, Lobo said he was healing faster than Superman was hurting him, the trade off however being was the one sided ass kicking.



Trying to undermine Thor because he uses Mjolnir is silly, after Lee, it's a substitute for his fist on average. Writers have gone out of their way to highlight how dangerous he is without it such as his battles with Loki/Fenris, Juggernaut, Hrinmeer etc.

I'm still not sure what long list of victories Lobo has to put him above Thor.

He'll be lucky to take 6 out of 10.

you hit some of the big ones. his punking of warrior was very impressive as well. his beat down of hal--something i could never see thor doing without his hammer. his punking of jonnz is also impressive and also something i can't see thor doing h2h.

i know--you'll disagree, or believe thor could replicate those feats. alas, my opinion really won't change and i think you know i know thor pretty damn well.

if you seriously want to say thor's fists=his hammer, wellll..... nothing i can do about that. it's your opinion and that's cool. statements not withstanding, thor's strikes w/hammer>than his fists. no on-panel statement you can produce will change that opinion i'm afraid, so no need for scans. pretty sure if you polled 100 people, 100 would agree, despite statements suggesting otherwise. and i've seen the scans. in THIS particular case, i simply don't put much stock in them. makes no sense imho.

as for the fight--i don't "want" his healing to be.....anything. strength and durability being equal (essentially imo) healing IS an advantage. some of his healing feats are REALLY good. thor would stalemate for a long time, MAY ko him, but the majority of the time i say the healing would allow him to win via attrition. we've also seen lobo's ability to punch at superspeed, another advantage he has over thor. add in the 'illogical' nature of the character at times and welll.....

those things amount to good, tough fights that end in lobo's favour more often than not. least that's how i see it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Shows how big Lobos rep is, if he's being hired to bring in friggan Despero.

And I defy anyone to post scans of anyone, including Superman, actually trading blows with Despero, much less shrugging off his attacks.

The only one that even comes close is Starro, and that was more Worf Effect than anything. It is very impressive. I still think Lobo briefly KO'ing Shazam with a single hit is more impressive, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
It is very impressive. I still think Lobo briefly KO'ing Shazam with a single hit is more impressive, though.

I think during that era, such a feat would, frankly, be beyond Superman.

I agree.

Originally posted by "Id"
I can't give you a date, this one is going to be massive. But this is what I've got so far.

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=668067

Looks good so far. The first Guy fight is good, but the second one in JLA 58 is even better for 'Bo, and it also has the brief fight with Despero. The Lobo/Guy fight from Guy Gardner 08 also makes Lobo look like an unstoppable juggernaut, with Guy going to such extremes like dumping an entire skyscraper on him, with no effect. And you'll probably want the one from Green Lantern Corps against Jack T. Chance, which I believe was published around Emerald Twilight.

Everyone knows about the Cap fight, so I'm sure you'll get to it, along with his fight in Valor 04. (Where Mon El makes a respectable showing, but is obviously overmatched in a straight fight.)

About time we got a proper Lobo respect thread.

Might want to skip over the Hitman appearance.

Originally posted by cdtm
Looks good so far. The first Guy fight is good, but the second one in JLA 58 is even better for 'Bo, and it also has the brief fight with Despero. The Lobo/Guy fight from Guy Gardner 08 also makes Lobo look like an unstoppable juggernaut, with Guy going to such extremes like dumping an entire skyscraper on him, with no effect. And you'll probably want the one from Green Lantern Corps against Jack T. Chance, which I believe was published around Emerald Twilight.

Everyone knows about the Cap fight, so I'm sure you'll get to it, along with his fight in Valor 04. (Where Mon El makes a respectable showing, but is obviously overmatched in a straight fight.)

About time we got a proper Lobo respect thread.

Might want to skip over the Hitman appearance.
Oh yeah, I will get around to adding all the good stuff. And thanks.

^ I won't be happy until you add the scans of Lobo lifting a magical box that weighs as much as a universe. uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I won't be happy until you add the scans of Lobo lifting a magical box that weighs as much as a universe. uhuh

Galan does that feat even exist? I've looked everywhere.

^ It's a myth. I have every single comic Lobo has appeared in (hell, I even went as far as to compile all the comics he's just been mentioned by name in) and I have never come across that feat, or anything like it.

Feetal's Giz!disgustfist

I think I am going to add this.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2963/legion2514.th.jpghttp://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4544/legion2515.th.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2963/legion2514.jpg
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4544/legion2515.jpg



Lobo told the Khund if he messed it up, he would rip his head off.
The Khund dicked around.
Lobo kept his promise.
peaches

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Paul Bearer was one of the greatest managers of all time. Dudevalways creep me out with his voice and looks though

Originally posted by "Id"
Oh yeah, I will get around to adding all the good stuff. And thanks.

Np.

Also, somewhere there's some writing that retcons Lobo losing to Dox as this heavy metal constantly being broadcast into his brain being interrupted that day.

Hell, it did look less like Lobo was beaten down, and more like he just fell asleep at the end.

Originally posted by Galan007
It is very impressive. I still think Lobo briefly KO'ing Shazam with a single hit is more impressive, though.



i didn't add that because it's been mentioned a few times already, but yeah, that is massively impressive.

Hey Id, can you make sure to have a section concerning Lobo's super speed? I've seen a lot of folks out there work under the impression he has none.

Oh yeah Superspeed. I'll add that.

I'm fine with someone thinking Thor takes 3-4/10.

^ The Main Man begs to differ. uhuh

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


I just have trouble seeing Lobo knocking out Thor straight up for the most part for the most part, I find the opposite more likely, but Thor bag and all.

I'm fine with someone thinking Lobo takes 5-6/10.

thats funny because thor is the one who usually gets bested in straight up fights WITH Mjolnir like with kurse or his recent fight

no Mjolnir for thor?
Lobo 10/10

Question here for Thor fans - I know Rage has said that Thor's fists = Mjolnir, or at least, similar.

Would the enchantments on Mjolnir add to its weight? For example, if I swung a 50lb hammer at someone, then tried swinging a normal claw hammer, the 50lb hammer would hurt more, because I used more mass.

So would the 'If he be worthy' enchantment add to the damage?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Question here for Thor fans - I know Rage has said that Thor's fists = Mjolnir, or at least, similar.

Would the enchantments on Mjolnir add to its weight? For example, if I swung a 50lb hammer at someone, then tried swinging a normal claw hammer, the 50lb hammer would hurt more, because I used more mass.

So would the 'If he be worthy' enchantment add to the damage?

just because Rage said something doesnt make it true, everyone knows that mjolnir makes him hit harder it should be a common sense because its the hit + the mammer, thor is already using his strongest hit when hitting with mjolnir so the hammer can just make it even grater unless you will argue that mjolnir has no power at all and thats just stupid

thor cracked a dimensional barrier with mjolnir he didnt and cant do anything similar with his fists

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Question here for Thor fans - I know Rage has said that Thor's fists = Mjolnir, or at least, similar.

Would the enchantments on Mjolnir add to its weight? For example, if I swung a 50lb hammer at someone, then tried swinging a normal claw hammer, the 50lb hammer would hurt more, because I used more mass.

So would the 'If he be worthy' enchantment add to the damage?

Only up to a point. On average. There will always be an advantage of swinging an animate object but in terms of striking power force generated, it should be a wash until we hit a certain threshold.

If it does, I've never seen it mentioned and I doubt anyone has considered the worthiness enchantment in such a manner.

Originally posted by Aliens
thats funny because thor is the one who usually gets bested in straight up fights WITH Mjolnir like with kurse or his recent fight

no Mjolnir for thor?
Lobo 10/10

Kurse should take Thor in a close combat fight with or without Mjolnir but I don't understand what's so embarassing about that. The Classic Beyonder specifically empowered him with a strength intended to be over twice as great as Thor's.

Yea, and Lobo lost his anal virginity. Thor 10/10 on principle alone.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/48324/1226036-bueno_excelente_signature_super.jpg

Originally posted by Aliens
just because Rage said something doesnt make it true, everyone knows that mjolnir makes him hit harder it should be a common sense because its the hit + the mammer, thor is already using his strongest hit when hitting with mjolnir so the hammer can just make it even grater unless you will argue that mjolnir has no power at all and thats just stupid

thor cracked a dimensional barrier with mjolnir he didnt and cant do anything similar with his fists

You may not agree with my stance but this isn't something I've made up off of the top of my head. It might not make the best of sense but the difference between Mjolnir and Thor's fist was never as large as it would be in real life barring charged strikes. Even under Lee imo.

Fun fact: Thor/Hercules struck each other's fists, closing a hole in space/time.

Fun Fact. Lobo opens space/time holes using his fist.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Kurse should take Thor in a close combat fight with or without Mjolnir but I don't understand what's so embarassing about that. The Classic Beyonder specifically empowered him with a strength intended to be over twice as great as Thor's.

Yea, and Lobo lost his anal virginity. Thor 10/10 on principle alone.



You may not agree with my stance but this isn't something I've made up off of the top of my head. It might not make the best of sense but the difference between Mjolnir and Thor's fist was never as large as it would be in real life barring charged strikes. Even under Lee imo.

Fun fact: Thor/Hercules struck each other's fists, closing a hole in space/time.

as a thor fan you know its a fact that thor gets bested in most of his 1 on 1 fights, just look at his recent showing yet again he got owned and pummled to the ground

Lobo does much better in fights and overall by majority showings doesnt go down easily as thor does, Lobo by feats and showing is beating thor every single time in a fist fight

listen i know its comics but even in comics some logic should be used, thor is using A force when punching, when hitting with mjolnir he is using the same A force + the momentum + mass+ density + force of mjolnir, thats very laughable to say he hits with the same force

him and herc doing such thing is a PIS, but even if we take it seriously than it took the combined force of both thor and his equel in strength hercules so that means thor X2

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ The Main Man begs to differ. uhuh

I felt petty for Rage.






Lobo wont! superm

Originally posted by Aliens
as a thor fan you know its a fact that thor gets bested in most of his 1 on 1 fights, just look at his recent showing yet again he got owned and pummled to the ground

As someone who has read practically all of Thor's appearances, it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Aliens
Lobo does much better in fights and overall by majority showings doesnt go down easily as thor does, Lobo by feats and showing is beating thor every single time in a fist fight



I've seen probably all of Lobo's notable showings, both the bad ones and the good. You obviously haven't.

Originally posted by Aliens
listen i know its comics but even in comics some logic should be used, thor is using A force when punching, when hitting with mjolnir he is using the same A force + the momentum + mass+ density + force of mjolnir, thats very laughable to say he hits with the same force

I don't care if it offends your sensibilities, I'm not going to go by what you find comfortable, but what I've read.

Originally posted by Aliens
him and herc doing such thing is a PIS, but even if we take it seriously than it took the combined force of both thor and his equel in strength hercules so that means thor X2

Yes it's a shared feat, doesn't take away much from the impressiveness, someone needed to be on the other side of reality to seal it correctly.

Think what you want. I'm not wasting anymore time with someone whose probably a sock.

Originally posted by "Id"
I felt petty for Rage.






Lobo wont! superm

Petty?

You mean pity? I'm not arguing in favor of Gladiator here, it's Thor, which means the feats are there.

Thor owns that ass , better fighting feats better damage soak and durability

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As someone who has read practically all of Thor's appearances, it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.





I've seen probably all of Lobo's notable showings, both the bad ones and the good. You obviously haven't.



I don't care if it offends your sensibilities, I'm not going to go by what you find comfortable, but what I've read.



Yes it's a shared feat, doesn't take away much from the impressiveness, someone needed to be on the other side of reality to seal it correctly.

Think what you want. I'm not wasting anymore time with someone whose probably a sock.

you can have all thor apearences i dont care it doesnt change the fact you look at them in a very biased manner and refuce to admit when your boy is wooped which is most of the time

go watch his showings again and get back to me

iam not going by what i find comfortable i go by the basics and things that should be clear as day light even if we go by showings which portray thor cracking dimensions barriers with mjolnir show me him doing that with his fists

i am the one who souldnt waste any time with you thorBag , now get lost

Originally posted by Aliens
you can have all thor apearences i dont care it doesnt change the fact you look at them in a very biased manner and refuce to admit when your boy is wooped which is most of the time

go watch his showings again and get back to me

iam not going by what i find comfortable i go by the basics and things that should be clear as day light even if we go by showings which portray thor cracking dimensions barriers with mjolnir show me him doing that with his fists

i am the one who souldnt waste any time with you thorBag , now get lost

Yes, I'm a Thor fan, that doesn't change the fact that you're just plain wrong. The Odinson doesn't "get bested in most of his 1 on 1 fights" which is pretty spectacular because on average he probably has a tougher rogue's gallery than any mainstream hero. Even when he does lose, he usually returns the favor when cutting loose or wins etc.

I don't need to re-read anything. I've seen Lobo get punked more than a few times and his highs aren't higher than Thor's. It's one thing to think he'd get the win here, but to believe he has a far superior record to Thor and that he'd stomp is just plain trolling.

Once again, I couldn't care less what you think. I'm basing my opinion purely on how I've seen the relationship treated over the decades and I stand by what I've said. There's no doubt that he has more striking feats with Mjolnir, he would for the simple reason he uses it most of the time, but that doesn't really change my point or evidence.

Iight.

Lobo.

Thor beat down Gilgamesh without the hammer, in a few hits. He's pretty tough, isn't he? Supposed to be the strongest Eternal next to Thanos.

Thor is tougher than Lobo and a better fighter

Originally posted by Real E.T
Thor is tougher than Lobo and a better fighter

Tougher?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p03.jpg

Despero was taking Martian Manhunter out with one shot. Durability wise, Lobo's right up there with Shaggy Man on average..

should i point out Thor taking hits from freakin Odin? or the Destroyer armor? or from Zeus? or from Surter? the list goes on and on.

as far as durability damage soak and overall toughness thor beats Lobo hands down

Lobo took Despero's punches better than John but it took more than one hit to take him out. IIRC, near the end, he knocked John out with three blows after tossing him into a building.

Originally posted by Real E.T
should i point out Thor taking hits from freakin Odin? or the Destroyer armor? or from Zeus? or from Surter? the list goes on and on.

as far as durability damage soak and overall toughness thor beats Lobo hands down

Everybody has their good days.

Edit: Nvm.

Originally posted by Real E.T
should i point out Thor taking hits from freakin Odin? or the Destroyer armor? or from Zeus? or from Surter? the list goes on and on.

as far as durability damage soak and overall toughness thor beats Lobo hands down

Some of that is clear cut PIS, though. You want to argue Thor can tank Skyfather attacks? Really?

Would you use Superman taking hits from Hal Jordan Parallax as proof of his durability? Captain America taking hits from Hulk? I certainly wouldn't, and I'm a fan of those characters.

As far as Lobo goes, taking hits from Despero works into how his durability is generally displayed, which is a combination of regen and being immune to pain. He's been disemboweled before, had his legs chewed off, been hit by class 100's on Supermans level many times, and registered little to no pain..

Basically, he's a cross between Shaggy Man, Wolverine, and Plastic Man (Because you can't beat Plastic Man by beating on him) in his durability type. To beat him, you need to tear him limb from limb, and that's easier said than done because he's also fairly resistant to even taking damage, let along taking enough damage to incapacitate him..

Thor can take hits from Skyfather level beings and above. It's not his average but his done too many times for it to be written off. His also completely walked through.

I was looking through some of Thomas' second run and came across Thor's fight with Kurse. If you thought Lobo taking two hits from Despero was impressive, wait until you see that battle.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Petty?

You mean pity? I'm not arguing in favor of Gladiator here, it's Thor, which means the feats are there. http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7019/blowmes.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor can take hits from Skyfather level beings and above. It's not his average but his done too many times for it to be written off. His also completely walked through.

I was looking through some of Thomas' second run and came across Thor's fight with Kurse. If you thought Lobo taking two hits from Despero was impressive, wait until you see that battle.

Likewise Lobo has walked through attacks higher than his own weight class, which cant be ignored. Despero is far from his lone showings.

Take one for instance, routinely going through a Black Hole. Massive feat in itself. Can Thor legitimately survive going through a Black Hole? Can Thor's strength match the crushing force of an Event Horizon?

Lobo has sustained, and survived such ordeals mostly due to its incredible Invulnerability + Regen, with out factoring his immortality since this feat has been accomplished before he became an immortal.

Originally posted by "Id"
Likewise Lobo has walked through attacks higher than his own weight class, which cant be ignored. Despero is far from his lone showings.

Take one for instance, routinely going through a Black Hole. Massive feat in itself. Can Thor legitimately survive going through a Black Hole? Can Thor's strength match the crushing force of an Event Horizon?

Lobo has sustained, and survived such ordeals mostly due to its incredible Invulnerability + Regen, with out factoring his immortality since this feat has been accomplished before he became an immortal.

Cool? It wasn't my intention, but if you want to compare durability showings, that's fine.

I understand why you'd get defensive though, it's a common reaction when Thor's pitted against a character someone favors, due the amazing feats and all.

Depending on the level he's operating at, sure, it'd be no problem.

Could you post the scans? It's been a while since I've seen it.

Scans.

Thanks.

His bike is pretty damn durable as well (Unless the thing is treated more like a wormhole).

What was the issue in which he was being compressed into various different sizes as he sailed through a black hole? Reminded me a lot of the Thanos dimension hopping scene.

I believe Lobo is more damage soak than hulk and hulk>thor for damage soak

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks.

His bike is pretty damn durable as well (Unless the thing is treated more like a wormhole).

What was the issue in which he was being compressed into various different sizes as he sailed through a black hole? Reminded me a lot of the Thanos dimension hopping scene.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/80612/1479019-scan_loboinblackhole_super.jpg This the one?

My comment serves to establish that Thor is not alone, in tanking damage from attacks above his weight class.

Setting up a feat war may not be beneficial to either camp. Major complications arise in judging characters outside their own universe. Instead I look for a common ground, to be used as a point of reference, which is why I made a reference to Lobo Black Hole endeavours.

Originally posted by "Id"
My comment serve to establish that Thor is not alone, in tanking damage from attacks above his weight class.

Setting up a feat war may not be beneficial to either camp. Major complications arise in judging characters outside their own universe. Instead I look for a common ground, to be used as a point of reference, which is why I made a reference to Lobo Black Hole endeavours.

True. Lobo is never a good one to get into a feat war with, anyway, because you get weird stuff like this:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/?action=view&current=loboheadless1.jpg

And:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/?action=view&current=lobobrains.jpg

Going by fts...Lobo>>>Thor.

Originally posted by cdtm
Thor beat down Gilgamesh without the hammer, in a few hits. He's pretty tough, isn't he? Supposed to be the strongest Eternal next to Thanos.

Here's the entire battle against Gilgamesh:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero5.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero6.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero7.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero8.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero9.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero10.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero111.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHero12.jpg

It should be noted that Gilgamesh was noticeably amped by the Celestials at the time (See the first scan). For some context as to how powerful he is in his original form, he went toe to toe with immortal Hercules after being depowered.

Kind of funny that he made the -incorrect- assumption that most of Thor's strength came from his hammer right before being knocked out.

mhmm

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True. Lobo is never a good one to get into a feat war with, anyway, because you get weird stuff like this:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/?action=view&current=loboheadless1.jpg

And:

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Lobo/?action=view&current=lobobrains.jpg

Stuff like that do not worry me. Its more along scaling a Character like Odin to Nero. Marvel, and DC use a different tier system to scale the potency of their characters when it matters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/80612/1479019-scan_loboinblackhole_super.jpg This the one?

Awesome.

omg this is too funny

got to love the fact all thor feats are from hundred years ago because the recent thor is always getting tooled and doesnt have any noticable feats

Originally posted by "Id"
My comment serves to establish that Thor is not alone, in tanking damage from attacks above his weight class.

Setting up a feat war may not be beneficial to either camp. Major complications arise in judging characters outside their own universe. Instead I look for a common ground, to be used as a point of reference, which is why I made a reference to Lobo Black Hole endeavours.

Lobo has his share of feats, I'm aware of that.

Fair enough I guess. Unfortunately, the closest Thor has come to encountering a black hole is this:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1627807-red_hulk_vs_thor_11_super.jpg

If you want a showing where Thor resists intense pressure such as gravity and so on, I can provide those. By the way, I personally don't think surviving a black hole is on the same level as attacks from Odin, Galactus, Glory, Celestials and so on.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This the one?

Yea, thanks man.

Originally posted by DukeNuke
omg this is too funny

got to love the fact all thor feats are from hundred years ago because the recent thor is always getting tooled and doesnt have any noticable feats

So butt hurt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, thanks man.



So butt hurt.

butt hurt because i state the fact you always bring feats from 70s or 80s for thor? Lol its not my fault he is useless those days

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lobo has his share of feats, I'm aware of that.

Fair enough I guess. Unfortunately, the closest Thor has come to encountering a black hole is this:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1627807-red_hulk_vs_thor_11_super.jpg

If you want a showing where Thor resists intense pressure such as gravity and so on, I can provide those. By the way, I personally don't think surviving a black hole is on the same level as attacks from Odin, Galactus, Glory, Celestials and so on.

thats thor with the odin force try better

Originally posted by DukeNuke
butt hurt because i state the fact you always bring feats from 70s or 80s for thor? Lol its not my fault he is useless those days

We have a respect thread for a reason.

For the record, he referenced the Gilgamesh fight.

Originally posted by DukeNuke
thats thor with the odin force try better

Not really but whatever, you're butthurt sock.

He didn't have the Odin Force during those scans.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38862/1109488-loltask_super.jpg

Lollllll at the "gurgle" part

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/84876/1955417-hulk_vs_thor.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So butt hurt.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/50886/2018700-herc_by_rnc_super.jpg