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Can classic thor at his best take down lobo at full power/ at his best ? Thor uses his hammer and other powers but cant use the God blast.

yes, thor can beat him.

Sans BFR, Lobo stomps imo.

Thor can definitely win.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sans BFR, Lobo stomps imo.



Are you at least assuming he has the ability to make clones from his drops of blood or something?

tor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Are you at least assuming he has the ability to make clones from his drops of blood or something? Nope. Just using showings like this as a gauge:
Originally posted by Galan007
Lobo shitcans pert-near all of DC's most powerful magic users, simultaneously:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3128/60969785.th.jpg http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/659/20772199.th.jpg http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6764/51877220.th.jpg http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7506/38519045.th.jpg http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4343/29639255.th.jpg http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5826/90993977.th.jpg http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/383/29288789.th.jpg http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4517/93998095.th.jpg Trouncing Fate, Zatanna, Ragman, Sargon, etc. isn't a feat I feel Thor could equal. Personally, I think he'd have his hands full with just Zatanna.

Lobo didn't do anything that Thor can't replicate. It mostly requires the ability to take a magical blast well which Thor definitely has the feats for not to mention Mjolnir's defensive capabilities. Assuming they fight him like they did the Main Man, he could do it. That's classic reverse hand ninja syndrome at work.

Hardly grounds for Thor being stomped.

It's been a while since I read Reign of Hell, what shape were they at that point? And wasn't there more to that fight? IIRC, I remember Zatanna actually attacking Lobo at one point.

^ You honestly think Thor would wreck THAT team of magic users as effortlessly as Lobo did? I couldn't disagree more. Like I said above, Zatanna alone would give him a hell of a fight, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ You honestly think Thor would wreck THAT team of magic users as effortlessly as Lobo did? I couldn't disagree more. Like I said above, Zatanna alone would give him a hell of a fight, imo.

I don't know why you think he accomplished something so beyond Thor. All they have to do is fight like disorganized energy blasters and it wouldn't be too difficult. The Odinson has incredibly energy based durability feats, including mystical based attacks.

Not saying it wasn't impressive, that was some nice damage soak, but it's not grounds for Lobo stomping Thor, common.

Probably. She'd almost certainly do the same to Lobo though if they faced off alone. Just how shit works, you've read enough comics to how it goes. Dropping in and then incapacitating her with a physical wound is something a plethora of characters can do.

^ Meh, no sense in arguing things beyond this.

......Alright then. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.

It's like you read this fight's description and are basing your argument off of that: Lobo stomped Fate, Zatanna, Ragman, Sargon etc.

On paper very impressive, but upon reading the fight, one needs to realize that they were disorganized, got off a handful of energy blasts and were manhandled as they should be by someone of Lobo' strength.

Whatever, agree to disagree. For the record, Thor took on the fourth Celestial Host and even dropped Arishem. I guess he can match Lobo's best.

Zatanna froze Lobo when she attacked him...

Like I said, I remember Zatanna attacking Lobo.

For the record Lobo dismembered a Host of Gods in their own Celestial Realm. I'm just saying.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
......Alright then. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.

It's like you read this fight's description and are basing your argument off of that: Lobo stomped Fate, Zatanna, Ragman, Sargon etc.

On paper very impressive, but upon reading the fight, one needs to realize that they were disorganized, got off a handful of energy blasts and were manhandled as they should be by someone of Lobo' strength.

Whatever, agree to disagree. For the record, Thor took on the fourth Celestial Host and even dropped Arishem. I guess he can match Lobo's best. Do you just HAVE to argue for Thor, or what? Like I said: no sense arguing.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Zatanna froze Lobo when she attacked him... That happened several issues prior. In their next battle she got raped. droolio

Isn't that 2 of the Demons Three that Lobo has chained up in that one scan?

Edit: And Lobo was contained and survived being contained by a column of energy stated to have been fatal to someone of Neron's power.

Originally posted by Galan007
Do you just HAVE to argue for Thor, or what? Like I said: no sense arguing.

That happened several issues prior. In their next battle she got raped. droolio



Alright then. If you won't utilize common sense, why should I? Like I said, that was an impressive showing for Lobo, he withstood their energy attacks without missing a beat, but it's not grounds for Lobo stomping Thor. They fought like inexperienced idiots, not master sorcerers. It's not something beyond Thor's ability to replicate, his taken energy blasts from Odin in stride before for example.

She got taken out by a physical attack before she could get off a spell. I guess that's an intelligence showing for Lobo? Isn't much else more than that.

Lobo can fall susceptible to that kind of magic, as he can fall pray matter manipulation.

But in terms of damage soak, he is sponge of the first class, capable of shrugging it all of let it cosmic, atomic, magical, or psionic base.

Originally posted by Galan007
Do you just HAVE to argue for Thor, or what? Like I said: no sense arguing.

That happened several issues prior. In their next battle she got raped. droolio Since I don't care enough to go DL the comic, Zatanna beat Lobo in really one shot when she attacked him.
Which doesn't make Lobo above her just because he can beat her when she's being a woman.

Is all I'm saying.

Originally posted by "Id"
Lobo can fall susceptible to that kind of magic, as he can fall pray matter manipulation.

Well, since we do have Marvel in the mix, matter manip can be fought or reversed with a Healing Factor (Hulk and Daken have done as much).

Just saying in that regard.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Alright then. If you won't utilize common sense, why should I? Like I said, that was an impressive showing for Lobo, he withstood their energy attacks without missing a beat, but it's not grounds for Lobo stomping Thor. They fought like inexperienced idiots, not master sorcerers. It's not something beyond Thor's ability to replicate, his taken energy blasts from Odin in stride before for example.

She got taken out by a physical attack before she could get off a spell. I guess that's an intelligence showing for Lobo? Isn't much else more than that. Originally posted by Galan007
Do you just HAVE to argue for Thor, or what? Like I said: no sense arguing.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Since I don't care enough to go DL the comic, Zatanna beat Lobo in really one shot when she attacked him.
Which doesn't make Lobo above her just because he can beat her when she's being a woman.

Is all I'm saying. While Lobo was tanking attacks from ALL of the others, she tried to get off a spell, and couldn't, because Lobo was on her like a fly on shit. While tanking attacks from all the others.

Originally posted by leonidas
yes, thor can beat him.

This.

Not sure if its a majority though. Arguments can be made either way, imo.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Well, since we do have Marvel in the mix, matter manip can be fought or reversed with a Healing Factor (Hulk and Daken have done as much).

Just saying in that regard.

The way Lobo resisted Jenny Quantums reality blast? Fo Sho!

Originally posted by Galan007
While Lobo was tanking attacks from ALL of the others, she tried to get off a spell, and couldn't, because Lobo was on her like a fly on shit. While tanking attacks from all the others. Right, being a woman

It depends on how impressive you think beating Zatanna is when she pretty much does nothing all battle.
Apparently you rate it high.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Right, being a woman

It depends on how impressive you think beating Zatanna is when she pretty much does nothing all battle.
Apparently you rate it high.

Eh, I view him apparently subduing two of the demons three and having been contained by a fountain of mystic energy fueled by his own torture that would have killed someone like Neron more impressive than the fight.

Who are the demon three?

Being a woman already puts her at strikes 1-2. That was already established.

She tried to do a few things, but was unable to. Considering Lobo had several other very powerful goons to deal with at the same time, it's a very impressive feat all around. Don't really care either way, though. It's unlikely that any opinions will change.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Eh, I view him apparently subduing two of the demons three and having been contained by a fountain of mystic energy fueled by his own torture that would have killed someone like Neron more impressive than the fight. As do I.

The fight while impressive, isn't a deal breaker against Thor in the least.

Thor is a *****. And Lobo is his papi.

Yeah I said it. peaches

Lol at lobo stomping Thor based of that showing.....smh

lobo has been a team buster before, though. his battle with earth heroes, authority, and recently a few lanterns. and taking the combined might of dcs top mages. lobo is boss.

Originally posted by "Id"
Who are the demon three?

They're three ancient demons who, while not as powerful as, are highly respected by Neron.

They're also the ones who supply Felix Faust all of his power. Essentially anything he's done under his own power is just an extension of their own.

what about demons 3? one of the demons OWNED Pc Dr. Fate. and we all know how powerful he was

Originally posted by Prep-Man
what about demons 3? one of the demons OWNED Pc Dr. Fate. and we all know how powerful he was

The two demons that Lobo has chained up look like Rath and Ghast to me.

in reign in hell? if so, wow, thats a crazy feat. demons 3 are close to sky father level.

For what it's worth, Superman has stated flat out on panel that he can't brawl with Lobo (the fight where Supes visually looked like an abused punching bag) and in another fight Lobo admitted that he heals faster than Supes can hurt him. Just saying, this holds a lot of weight.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
in reign in hell? if so, wow, thats a crazy feat. demons 3 are close to sky father level.

Well, Etrigan does say that Neron would be straight out killed by what they were using to imprison Lobo in the first place and Lobo's pain and torture did power an entire chunk of Hell.

yeppers and thor>supes

i went there

Originally posted by Sundipped
For what it's worth, Superman has stated flat out on panel that he can't brawl with Lobo (the fight where Supes visually looked like an abused punching bag) and in another fight Lobo admitted that he heals faster than Supes can hurt him. Just saying, this holds a lot of weight.
They are the same fight where superman underestimated him and lost. Eclipso Superman made lobo a real punching bag first time and almost killed him with a single punch second time. He has also koed lobo and valor simultaneously. Just saying.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They are the same fight where superman underestimated him and lost. Eclipso Superman made lobo a real punching bag first time and almost killed him with a single punch second time. He has also koed lobo and valor simultaneously. Just saying.

You do know that Superman was out of character under Eclipso's control right?

Originally posted by Sundipped
You do know that Superman was out of character under Eclipso's control right?

And that for an unknown length of time that "Lobo" was a magical construct of Neron's while the real Lobo was trapped in Hell.

Originally posted by Sundipped
You do know that Superman was out of character under Eclipso's control right?
It isn't the only time Kal has punked lobo


http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/LobovsSupermanAOSAnn2-5.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/LobovsSupermanAOSAnn2-6.jpg

^ A undistracted Lobo is more impressive. On top of this, it's also a combat speed feat to boot.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3893/lobovssupermanaos4647.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped
^ A undistracted Lobo is more impressive. On top of this, it's also a combat speed feat to boot.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3893/lobovssupermanaos4647.jpg

Nice post.

I own the comic, but was procrastinating scanning it. One of the best pages, too.

Uh-oh
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-34.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-35.jpg
Unfortunately I don't have the REAL owning of lobo when kal just beat the crap out of lobo in a few punches.
So what's the score now, 3-1. Pretend it's good for lobo, ok.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And that for an unknown length of time that "Lobo" was a magical construct of Neron's while the real Lobo was trapped in Hell.
Unless specified you can't just ignore the entire history of a character, show me the scan where it was stated that ENTIRE post-crisis history of lobo is null and void based upon "unknown" time.

Ah found it
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/96594/2068223-573125_punchingbag_super.jpg
This is REAL super-speed and a REAL punching bag. Superman even spelled it out for 'BO.

Even in that story, Lobo had Eclipso on the ropes and at his mercy, until the volcano exploded.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3893/lobovssupermanaos4647.jpg

But I prefer this.

It's more consistent with their other fights, and Lobos other feats. Even Kryptonite X amped Superman and Despero couldn't cause near the damage Supes did in your example, so PIS.

Originally posted by cdtm
It's more consistent with their other fights, and Lobos other feats. Even Kryptonite X amped Superman and Despero couldn't cause near the damage Supes did in your example, so PIS. 4 battles were posted on this page... 3 were a win for Superman, and 1 for Lobo. Then there's a fight where Superman punches Lobo out of orbit.

4-1 at least. How is that consistent with their other fights where it's the only one that Lobo had won?

Maybe I'm forgetting something here, but really?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
4 battles were posted on this page... 3 were a win for Superman, and 1 for Lobo. Then there's a fight where Superman punches Lobo out of orbit.

4-1 at least. How is that consistent with their other fights where it's the only one that Lobo had won?

Maybe I'm forgetting something here, but really? \

What four wins?

You're counting this as a win:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/LobovsSupermanAOSAnn2-6.jpg

Come on now. That's hardly a win for several reasons..

The only real "win" in that story is Lar Gands, where he had Supes on the ground being strangled to death, until his own teammates turned their guns on him to stun him long enough to sort out the mess.

And the other two "wins" happened in the same story, when Superman was eclipsed, and the you could count Lobo strangling Supes between those "wins" as a win for him, since it was only broken up by the volcano they were in exploding.

But that entire story was a PIS showing for Lobo.

You're also neglecting to mention Lobo was fully cognizant after Superman (Who was amped!) punched him into orbit, showing no signs of taking damage.

You think that getting someone in chokehold =killing someone. Why do you think that superman was getting killed when he has koed Valor WHILE SUFFOCATING. In that scene too he was going toe to toe with lobo in the next page after Lar was choking him. If you want to go to that route then lobo has no wins over superman since he never koed him while superman has koed him 3 times. Your boy despero has also been oneshotted by superman btw. Your refusal to accept on panel proof and twisting them to your terms is getting annoying. Lobo has always been one league below superman.

Originally posted by cdtm
Even in that story, Lobo had Eclipso on the ropes and at his mercy, until the volcano exploded.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3893/lobovssupermanaos4647.jpg

But I prefer this.

It's more consistent with their other fights, and Lobos other feats. Even Kryptonite X amped Superman and Despero couldn't cause near the damage Supes did in your example, so PIS.
Lulz so anything you don't like is PIS. Lobo lost, get over it. I can call it PIS too because Lobo doesn't have speed to blitz superman.

It's not PIS because Lobo lost, it's PIS because it downplayed Lobos durability and healing factor.

They have a draw from Lobo's series in the 90s as well.

It was in a story where guys being chased by Lobo, were huddled up scared and talking of his exploits. One of them being his fights with Superman. Its the one where it shows Lobo flinging Supes into a building, and then they are up in space trading punches in front of the sun.

Anyway, the Lobo that lost to Eclipso Supes, was a far cry from the one from Reign of Hell in power levels. Which is why its even more plausible to write that one off as the clone from Neron. Even if those stories were obviously years apart.

@ abhilegend just be glad it's a couple inconclusive fights out therefurious

Barring Darkseid it's hard to find a winning record for anyone in Supes rogue gallery vs. him.

Aside from Eclipso/Supes and that distracted headbutt, Lobo owned Supes the hardest. Might as well post the other page:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4603/1076498supeslobo23hqjy0.jpg

Oh and as far as speed, Supes stated in this scan "Lobo's so quick, so strong, no time to react" so I wouldn't say him having speed is PIS.

Lobo beating on Superman like that is an extreme outlier at this point. Overall, Superman has come off looking as the physical superior to Lobo consistently. As a matter of fact, wasn't that first battle retconned in the DC First one shot? IIRC, it was implied that Lobo could only hang with Superman due to his healing factor or something like that.

I'm in a rush so I'll have to find and post the battle later.

Lobo has managed to knock out Marvel in the past IIRC. Although it was a sucker shot and before that, I'd argue Marvel looked better.

Physically superior to some degree yes, but make no mistake, Lobo does have the strength to hurt Superman. Supes said it himself on panel:

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3391/lobovssupermandc.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped
@ abhilegend just be glad it's a couple inconclusive fights out therefurious

Barring Darkseid it's hard to find a winning record for anyone in Supes rogue gallery vs. him.

Aside from Eclipso/Supes and that distracted headbutt, Lobo owned Supes the hardest. Might as well post the other page:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4603/1076498supeslobo23hqjy0.jpg

Oh and as far as speed, Supes stated in this scan "Lobo's so quick, so strong, no time to react" so I wouldn't say him having speed is PIS.

In Valor, Lobo actually REPEATEDLY PUNCHED THROUGH laser vision.

I'd call that a speed feat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lobo beating on Superman like that is an extreme outlier at this point. Overall, Superman has come off looking as the physical superior to Lobo consistently.

It's an outlier, but disagree about Superman consistently looking physically superior. In the retcon you mentioned, Supes was using his flight and maneuverability more than raw strength to manhandle Lobo.

And he has pretty good showings against other high end bricks, from Etrigan to Captain Marvel to Mon El. He even went a few rounds with Despero, knocked him off his feet, laughed off two devastating punches in the process, and proceeded to give Guy Gardner the worst beat down of his career.

And this is when Despero was one shotting Martian Manhunter, and throwing off the entire JLI including MM and Power Girl.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p03.jpg

The first punch would have been more than enough to level Martian Manhunter. Even Superman would be hurting by the second.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Lol at lobo stomping Thor based of that showing.....smh I'm assuming your sarcastic post was directed at me. If so, you'll note that I only used Lobo's showing during RiH as a baseline. Why? Because in that showing we see him flat-out tank high-end magical attacks. That's very important here, because the majority of Thor's energy blasts are magical in nature. Never once did I say that was the only showing that was needed on Lobo's end. It, again, is just a good baseline to start with that depicts Lobo's resistance to magical attacks. Hopefully any miscommunication has been resolved now.


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Anyhow, I could also post scenes depicting Lobo smacking around fellas such as Etrigan and Shazam. They are, after all, magical beings as well. How about scans of him shredding through Hal, or Guy, or Ice Man (the cosmic guy from DC, not Bobby), or Despero, or Barda, or Valor, or Pulsar Stargrave, or cosmic Animal Man, or Devilance the Persuer (yes, the New God), or Apollo, etc, etc. (and that's not even tapping into his solo series)..?

Point here is that Lobo's got a whole gaggle of showings that lend well to this battle. Not saying Thor doesn't, but imo, Lobo does win. Could care less who disagrees. My stance isn't baseless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Unless specified you can't just ignore the entire history of a character, show me the scan where it was stated that ENTIRE post-crisis history of lobo is null and void based upon "unknown" time.

I never made such a claim, so please don't put words in my mouth.

I was merely making note that from some point most likely after Underworld Unleashed and before Reign in Hell it wasn't actually Lobo.

If you have tamed your stance from Lobo stomps to lobo wins ( based on that and his and thors other showings) then yeah it isnt baseless.....The former is still lolworthy while the latter is certainly plausible.

Originally posted by Naija boy
If you have tamed your stance from Lobo stomps to lobo wins ( based on that and his and thors other showings) then yeah it isnt baseless.....The former is still lolworthy while the latter is certainly plausible.

Based on that scan, yeah.

Based on this scan:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4603/1076498supeslobo23hqjy0.jpg

Lobo stomps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobo_(DC_Comics)

yeah even the wiki link states under powers and abilities section that his strengh powers and abilties fluctuate or change in each commic..sometimes less then a humans or greater...

Originally posted by Sundipped
@ abhilegend just be glad it's a couple inconclusive fights out therefurious

Barring Darkseid it's hard to find a winning record for anyone in Supes rogue gallery vs. him.

Aside from Eclipso/Supes and that distracted headbutt, Lobo owned Supes the hardest. Might as well post the other page:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4603/1076498supeslobo23hqjy0.jpg

Oh and as far as speed, Supes stated in this scan "Lobo's so quick, so strong, no time to react" so I wouldn't say him having speed is PIS.

Oh you are wrong again. Eradicator has pounded superman worse than lobo ever did and tossed him in a red sun twice and even then he wasn't out. That was a low showing for superman more than a high showing for lobo. If you think a few pounding on a wall can take out superman then you're wrong.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supermanv2057p38cz5.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/adventuresofsuperman480fu8.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/adventuresofsuperman480yz9.jpg.

You are just using one fight to determine the winner when they have tangled many times more and superman even holding back always got better of lobo. You think lobo can speedblitz superman then you are just imagining. It was nothing but superman while brainwashed underestimating lobo and losing like Thor lost to hulk in Hulk annual 2001. If you are thinking he would lose to that way twice, think again.

So if no one has a winning record against then you are using only those fights where he lost, what kind of logic is that?

I think you forgot this image. What a good showing of 'BO
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/96594/2068223-573125_punchingbag_super.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/JusticeLeagueAmerica58p03.jpg

The first punch would have been more than enough to level Martian Manhunter. Even Superman would be hurting by the second.

So, cdtm by your logic Black adam also lost to Captain nazi
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/VillainsUnited-InfiniteCrisisSpe-4-1.jpg

Your boy despero
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/pic020.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh you are wrong again. Eradicator has pounded superman worse than lobo ever did and tossed him in a red sun twice and even then he wasn't out. That was a low showing for superman more than a high showing for lobo. If you think a few pounding on a wall can take out superman then you're wrong.

You are just using one fight to determine the winner when they have tangled many times more and superman even holding back always got better of lobo. You think lobo can speedblitz superman then you are just imagining. It was nothing but superman while brainwashed underestimating lobo and losing like Thor lost to hulk in Hulk annual 2001. If you are thinking he would lose to that way twice, think again.

So if no one has a winning record against then you are using only those fights where he lost, what kind of logic is that?

What the hell does Eradicator have to do with anything? You're misinterpeted what I said. In case you missed it:

Originally posted by Sundipped
Aside from Eclipso/Supes and that distracted headbutt, Lobo owned Supes the hardest.

This means head to head (in that 1 instance) out of all their fights between only Lobo and Supes no amps/possesion/mind control/depowerment etc. Never heard Lobo say "can't take much more" or "I need help" during a fight with standardSupes.

Your Superman fanboyism is immensely evident now. So much to the point it's clouding your judgement. This is Classic Thor vs. Lobo. Not Lobo vs. Superman. Nobody said Lobo would take a majority vs. Kal so what the hell are you crying about? My first post was to point out a couple things to indicate that Lobo can indeed hang with Thor but you wanted to turn it into a Kal vs. Lobo thread and you want to keep using the same damn out of character Eclipso Superman scan to prove a moot point. Moot because a pissed Kal would wreck a lot of top tiers. Everyone knows this. Do yourself a favor and tone down the wanking. It's making you look bad.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, cdtm by your logic Black adam also lost to Captain nazi
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/VillainsUnited-InfiniteCrisisSpe-4-1.jpg

Your boy despero
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/pic020.jpg

Just to be clear, are you arguing Superman is physically > Despero.

Yes or no question.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, cdtm by your logic Black adam also lost to Captain nazi
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/VillainsUnited-InfiniteCrisisSpe-4-1.jpg


No, by my logic Superman lost to Mon El.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-31.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-32.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-33.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-34.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-35.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-36.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped
What the hell does Eradicator have to do with anything? You're misinterpeted what I said. In case you missed it:



This means head to head (in that 1 instance) out of all their fights between only Lobo and Supes no amps/possesion/mind control/depowerment etc. Never heard Lobo say "can't take much more" or "I need help" during a fight with standardSupes.

Your Superman fanboyism is immensely evident now. So much to the point it's clouding your judgement. This is Classic Thor vs. Lobo. Not Lobo vs. Superman. Nobody said Lobo would take a majority vs. Kal so what the hell are you crying about? My first post was to point out a couple things to indicate that Lobo can indeed hang with Thor but you wanted to turn it into a Kal vs. Lobo thread and you want to keep using the same damn out of character Eclipso Superman scan to prove a moot point. Moot because a pissed Kal would wreck a lot of top tiers. Everyone knows this. Do yourself a favor and tone down the wanking. It's making you look bad.
I brought eradicator because you claimed that lobo's pounding on superman's most brutal beating. Someone claimed that eclipso beating lobo was PIS so I call lobo beating superman PIS because he has taken much worse than a pounding on wall.
I didn't even commented on the fight at hand, I was just responding to your first post
Originally posted by Sundipped
For what it's worth, Superman has stated flat out on panel that he can't brawl with Lobo (the fight where Supes visually looked like an abused punching bag) and in another fight Lobo admitted that he heals faster than Supes can hurt him. Just saying, this holds a lot of weight.
Did you find me telling that lobo can't hang with thor? Who's crying? It's you and cdtm crying PIS on superman beating lobo and people have claimed thanos and despero stronger than superman/cap or hulk/thing for years. You nitpicking lobo being distracted when he was attacking superman doesn't hold much weight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
people have claimed thanos and despero stronger than...thing

Because it's true?

They're stronger than Superman too, but questioning whether Bens weaker, of all characters, stuck out..

^Wow, hypocrisy much. Adam was helpless in that chokehold so he called down lightning and both he and nazi were ko'd. We've gone over this before
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you talking about this fight where superman was arrogant that he could beat Lar easily because he beat other daxamites in invasion and was in a fight with Lobo just before the fight.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-17.jpg

Nowhere did Lobo "kicked superman's ass" as you claimed.

It's the only time Lar had an upper hand in the fight against superman
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-32.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-35.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-36.jpg

Kal was totally capable of getting out of that choke hold as evident by the next page where he goes toe to toe against Lobo

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-37.jpg
So according to you vril dox claiming valor was going to kill superman is true but superman was going against lobo just after that chokeup and we've seen superman while on the verge of passing ko mon-el anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't prove anything in Lar's favor anyway, here Lobo was choking superman out and just after that Kal nearly killed him with just one punch
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-23.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-34.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-35.jpg

frankly Lar's record against superman is very bad or do you think Superman getting choked after a fight with lobo is worse than this

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/24-Eclipso_Special-02-36.jpg

Here he couldn't restrain Kal holding back even with the help of Starman and someone else I can't recognize

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ManOfSteel10p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ManOfSteel10p10.jpg

So getting an upper hand in a fight doesn't mean you are better than someone else when he ko's you along with someone else like superman did shortly after that.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/LobovsSupermanAOSAnn2-6.jpg

Here is the scan of captain nazi "killing" black adam.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/Tedirey/VillainsUnited-InfiniteCrisisSpe-4.jpg

Odd that this much emphasis is being placed on just 'Lobo vs. Superman', when he has SO many other feats that can be used to help gauge his power.

This, for instance:
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4122/49461387.jpg
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/993/71456380.jpg
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7780/68030665.jpg

Lobo shrugging off a few punches from Shazam, then proceeding to momentarily incapacitate him with a single hit is huge.

Originally posted by Galan007
Odd that this much emphasis is being placed on just 'Lobo vs. Superman', when he has SO many other feats that can be used to help gauge his power.

This, for instance:
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4122/49461387.jpg
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/993/71456380.jpg
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7780/68030665.jpg

Lobo shrugging off a few punches from Shazam, then proceeding to momentarily incapacitate him with a single hit is huge.

Agreed, absolutely.

All through the 90's, Lobo's been doing this.

The reason so much emphesis is placed on the Superman fights, is because abhilegend keeps on bringing up the Eclipso and Lar Gand/Lobo headbang examples in an effort to lowball Lobo.

Or maybe he simply has Superman blinders on and really believes Superman is > Despero. He all but admitted he thinks Supes is stronger than Despero, which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed, absolutely.

All through the 90's, Lobo's been doing this.

The reason so much emphesis is placed on the Superman fights, is because abhilegend keeps on bringing up the Eclipso and Lar Gand/Lobo headbang examples in an effort to lowball Lobo.

Or maybe he simply has Superman blinders on and really believes Superman is > Despero. He all but admitted he thinks Supes is stronger than Despero, which is ridiculous.
I never said superman>despero, where did you see me saying that? Now I believe 'BO and Lar gand are both above superman because they were "killing" him and adam is above nazi because nazi was "killing" him. Silly me, it's not like superman has other fights to draw upon! It's only lobo who has more fights.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Did you find me telling that lobo can't hang with thor? Who's crying? It's you and cdtm crying PIS on superman beating lobo and people have claimed thanos and despero stronger than superman/cap or hulk/thing for years. You nitpicking lobo being distracted when he was attacking superman doesn't hold much weight.

Right here.

As far as I can tell from what you wrote is that you disagree with people "claiming" that Despero and Thanos are stronger than Superman, Captain Marvel, Hulk and Thing.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Right here.

As far as I can tell from what you wrote is that you disagree with people "claiming" that Despero and Thanos are stronger than Superman, Captain Marvel, Hulk and Thing.
No, I agree that despero was much stronger than superman/cap in virtue and vice and is generally stronger than superman, but to say that in every fight he would just railroad him is wrong when we have other fights to draw upon. Same with thanos but he is always shown as much stronger than Prof. Hulk and thing combined but to say that he is always stronger than Hulk based on that fight is wrong.

How did Cap Nazi become so powerful? He was never a real threat to Cap.

^It's the single high end feat for nazi. Later diana wtfpwned him.

That was his best showing and is an extreme outlier for Captain Nazi as far as I can tell.

In that fight Abhilighend mentioned by the way, she was able to really mess him up in her human form by using a bit a handful of C4, then proceeded to tool him when she became Wonder Woman.

I've never understood why so many people use Eclipso Superman scans as probative of anything Superman would do. Eclipso amps his victims.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've never understood why so many people use Eclipso Superman scans as probative of anything Superman would do. Eclipso amps his victims.

He amps normals, but there's not much proof he amps high end bricks much, if at all.

In the same way Beta Ray Bill is already physically comparable to Thor without his hammer, and using a hammer maybe amps him a little bit, but insignificantly, vs a normal human with the hammer..

(For the record, this line of reasoning works against Supes as much as for him, since another feat fans like to drag out is his defeat of Eclipsed Mon El..)

Originally posted by cdtm
He amps normals, but there's not much proof he amps high end bricks much, if at all.

In the same way Beta Ray Bill is already physically comparable to Thor without his hammer, and using a hammer maybe amps him a little bit, but insignificantly, vs a normal human with the hammer..

(For the record, this line of reasoning works against Supes as much as for him, since another feat fans like to drag out is his defeat of Eclipsed Mon El..) Sounds like more of the same "Worthy weren't really amped arguments (except for normals like Sin)."

It's an amp. Puts normals like Jean Loring and Bruce Gordon at herald levels and possibly beyond.

I understand that by all appearances, it seems to scale down when the base character's power levels are already high to begin with, but Eclipso does amp its victims. And I've seen no proof that the amp is insignificant. Eclipso isn't like Deadman.

Superman wins either way, he beat an Eclipso possessed Mon-El IIRC.

Still, from what I remember of those comics (Been a while) I'd say there was no real amp, just blood lust.

^ You'd best not let carver9 hear you say that.

Lol, I had him in mind when I said that.

Too bad he didn't reply, thought it was enough to get a discussion going again.

On a more serious note, I remember discussing the nature of Eclipso's possession a while ago, I'll see if I can find the thread to jog my memory regarding the subject.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman wins either way, he beat an Eclipso possessed Mon-El IIRC.

Pretty much.

Although, Mon El was also out of the sun for awhile. Like Superman, that should mean his powers gradually diminish.

Is DC Universe: Last Sons in continuity?
http://www.graphicaudio.net/p-594-dc-universe-last-sons.aspx

Originally posted by "Id"
Is DC Universe: Last Sons in continuity?
http://www.graphicaudio.net/p-594-dc-universe-last-sons.aspx

I loved that novel.

Is it a one shot? It probably uses the main DCU characters but it's not set in any specific point in history.

It's not on Youtube.

Sounds like a fun audio, but I probably wouldn't consider it canon.

Also, would you call Mon El and Supermans non Eclipso fight a win for Mon El, or not?

Well its a book, or an Audio Book.

I dont what the canonical rules are regarding Novels based on comics.