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Who wins....list in order most powerful 1-3 say why



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Stranger>Uatu>Odin

Based on on panel fights and feats :

Odin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Uatu>>Stranger.

stranger>headbutt

uatu doesn't even notice odin

stranger has defeated uatu

doesn't get any better than that

i know u will mention x-men forever 1-6 tell me can uatu or odin take a blast from the infinity union have they been humbled by living tribunal

b back friend and b safe

Odin wins the other don't even come close in terms of showings

I thought Watchers are supposed to be generally more powerful than skyfathers.

Of course, Odin is no regular Skyfather, he's probably on the highest end of the Skyfather tier, or even low-end Elder God tier.

But even still, Uatu should theoretically be more powerful than Elder Gods as well.

Stranger, I don't think has a lot of feats, but going by his supposed candidacy for one of LT's faces, I'd say he should be a high end cosmic, at least higher than a skyfather.

It depends on what you chose to believe...

In the Infinity Gauntlet arc, it was heavily implied that the Skyfathers (Odin, Zeus, and the others) are not on the same level as true cosmics...

Afterall, the Stranger was portrayed as a peer in power to Galactus, Celestials, and the others (The Stranger was considered one of the Astral Deities of the Universe), while Odin was landlocked in Asgard (which showed a huge limitation on his and the other Skyfathers power)...

That was the best showing/portrayal I have ever seen for the Stranger...based on that showing, he could beats either Odin or Uatu.

Stranger>Uatu>Odin

thank u friend

Depends how you reconcile feats vs. implied power/status.

The Stranger has had some sad showings (I'm talking about things that matter in a VS thread aka FIGHTS) vs Pluto, Silver Surfer/Super Skrull, the freaking X-men and more I'm probably missing.

Odin has gone up against confirmed skyfather level beings and galaxy busters and won. He's swatted away high heralds like insects and humiliated a respected trans tier being. He's put up a damn good fight vs a pissed off high level Cosmic Being.

Uatu hasn't really done much of anything noteworthy in 616 reality except beat another Watcher, Aaron.

Regarding "feats" this isn't a respect thread my friends, this is a VS thread. Fights count here.

Stranger knew he could've defeated Pluto

Surfer/Skrull/Magneto and X-Men nothing to the enigmatic Stranger

Odin has lost as well

Uatu has feats There's a reason he watches

Fights do count friend but when Uatu disses Odin twice and the Stranger has defeated Watchers and recreated Battleworld in Beyond cannot b overlooked

He's powerful how is still determined I know Stranger.>Uatu>Odin and others do also

Stranger struggled with Surfer, Odin 1 shotted him.

Rulk destroyed Uatu, Rulk had to use Thors own hammer to beat with and Thor only had very small portion of the Odin Force..he aint doing that to Odin.


Odin wins.

not a fair assessment friend

uatu doesn't recognize odin

stranger >>> watchers

stranger>uatu>odin

Originally posted by guy222
not a fair assessment friend

uatu doesn't recognize odin

stranger >>> watchers

stranger>uatu>odin Of course its a fair assessment.

So what if he doesnt recognize him that means NOTHING.

We go by feats and showing, not word of mouth.

Stranger and Uatu have nothing to say the can take Odin, please give me any feats from either to say they can.

and how is odin defeating radd compare with the stranger more powerful than the watchers spidey fared well vs surfer we don't say spidey>radd do we

odin is nothing to uatu

u don't see that friend

did u read beyond see where he recreated battleworld and the statements with uatu i can post em soon tired now

did u see stranger take a blast from the infinity union

headbutt isn't defeating the stranger or uatu

do u know the stranger was to b the 4th face of LT....and LT wasn't fazed when Odin died

u can agree or not its ok surely ur not basing stranger non continuity sillyness with iceman and juggy and bout with pluto i addressed pluto's situation earlier

stranger created ego...same guy who made galactus run.... yet odin's headbutt didn't faze em hmm

for me and others stranger>uatu>odin

its not that simple to see the facts

and lets shout and ***** for some other threads to move also

Originally posted by guy222
and how is odin defeating radd compare with the stranger more powerful than the watchers spidey fared well vs surfer we don't say spidey>radd do we You miss the whole point, there is far far more showing of Odin doing well and having better showings than Stranger and Uatu combined.

Again based on nothing but a hyperbole statement, r u really gonna say Uatu wouldnt even notuce Odin if they fought

Yeah i read beyond, Stranger struggled against a street lvl and low class heralds, Odin one shots them guys.

And? Dr Doom took a blast from Thanos with the IG, does that him greater then

Seeing as that isnt the only thing he has ever done in his history i dont know whu you only use that one showing.

Again, these hyperbole statements mean NOTHING. Feats/Showings>>>>>>>>>>>statements on here

Im basing it on all his showings silly or not just like your using Odin headbutting Galactus. And Galactus>>Stranger/Uatu anyhow so your point is moot.

Just like Stranger struggling against Surfer with Odin pwning with with ease eh.

Youre basing it off favourtism and not fact sadly.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You miss the whole point, there is far far more showing of Odin doing well and having better showings than Stranger and Uatu combined.

Again based on nothing but a hyperbole statement, r u really gonna say Uatu wouldnt even notuce Odin if they fought

Yeah i read beyond, Stranger struggled against a street lvl and low class heralds, Odin one shots them guys.

And? Dr Doom took a blast from Thanos with the IG, does that him greater then

Seeing as that isnt the only thing he has ever done in his history i dont know whu you only use that one showing.

Again, these hyperbole statements mean NOTHING. Feats/Showings>>>>>>>>>>>statements on here

Im basing it on all his showings silly or not just like your using Odin headbutting Galactus. And Galactus>>Stranger/Uatu anyhow so your point is moot.

Just like Stranger struggling against Surfer with Odin pwning with with ease eh.

Youre basing it off favourtism and not fact sadly. So Odin >>> TOAA due to better and more on panel showings... gotcha.

Watchers have time and again been placed with or on the rankings of the celestials...

Like when the fulcrum mentioned how te watchers have been engaged in a long war with the celestials....

Please... Do you guys really think the sky fathers stood a chane against the celestial gods...

Odin has nice feats... Guess what so does captain American and black panther. If we go but on panel feats.... Hell guys like batman have kicked and Hurt heralds or guys like darkseid... Legimately how does any of that make any sense... Guy can survive continent rending attacks but is hurt by the ever loving batman?

Originally posted by Nihilist
You miss the whole point, there is far far more showing of Odin doing well and having better showings than Stranger and Uatu combined.

Again based on nothing but a hyperbole statement, r u really gonna say Uatu wouldnt even notuce Odin if they fought

Yeah i read beyond, Stranger struggled against a street lvl and low class heralds, Odin one shots them guys.

And? Dr Doom took a blast from Thanos with the IG, does that him greater then

Seeing as that isnt the only thing he has ever done in his history i dont know whu you only use that one showing.

Again, these hyperbole statements mean NOTHING. Feats/Showings>>>>>>>>>>>statements on here

Im basing it on all his showings silly or not just like your using Odin headbutting Galactus. And Galactus>>Stranger/Uatu anyhow so your point is moot.

Just like Stranger struggling against Surfer with Odin pwning with with ease eh.

Youre basing it off favourtism and not fact sadly.

wrong

how does norrin defeat the stranger norrin needed ego's help to defeat kallark geez

if u read beyond u would've noticed who the most powerful was

it was not uatu

and ur being silly as others have pointed out i can't change ur mind but oh well

until u prove to me and others here how odin is more powerful than uatu or the stranger than u have something

imperial from ict the administrator my pal who loves odin realizes odin nor uatu are greater than the stranger and that's a fact and being my friend proves what a fact that is when a favorite has the truth to admit his character loses

nite nite now

Originally posted by Uriel005
So Odin >>> TOAA due to better and more on panel showings... gotcha.

Originally posted by rotiart
Watchers have time and again been placed with or on the rankings of the celestials...

Like when the fulcrum mentioned how te watchers have been engaged in a long war with the celestials....

Please... Do you guys really think the sky fathers stood a chane against the celestial gods...

Odin has nice feats... Guess what so does captain American and black panther. If we go but on panel feats.... Hell guys like batman have kicked and Hurt heralds or guys like darkseid... Legimately how does any of that make any sense... Guy can survive continent rending attacks but is hurt by the ever loving batman?

truth

Uatu wins. I ain't even gonna bother reading stuff.

that's ok

tell me how he wins

Originally posted by rotiart
Watchers have time and again been placed with or on the rankings of the celestials...

Like when the fulcrum mentioned how te watchers have been engaged in a long war with the celestials....

Please... Do you guys really think the sky fathers stood a chane against the celestial gods...

Odin has nice feats... Guess what so does captain American and black panther. If we go but on panel feats.... Hell guys like batman have kicked and Hurt heralds or guys like darkseid... Legimately how does any of that make any sense... Guy can survive continent rending attacks but is hurt by the ever loving batman? It goes both ways. First off there are far more watchers than the 3 skyfathers that attacked Arishem. It's also one showing and we see Odin take on the entire 4th host. He starts ripping off limbs but they reform so the damage is irrelevant. I've also seen Rulk punch out a Watcher easily. Arishem>>Rulk if we want to go by comparisons that way.

I personally see Odin beating Uatu.

what's ur opinion on why uatu doesn't notice odin it happened twice

and eternal friend i know u b real with me the stranger is more powerful than uatu and odin how does odin win

i called u twice last nite

Didn't know Stanger beat Uatu, was it a straight up fight?

I would have put Uatu>Stranger>Odin (the difference between these guys aint that large)

But in a straight fight if Stranger did beat Uatu (a uatu willing to fight like his classic self) then that pretty damn impressive.

I do generally put watchers in the high end skyfather category, maybe even a touch higher. IMO watchers if they wanted to can contend with Celetials but due to their oath or pacifism they just kinda ***** out most of the time nowadays.

Originally posted by guy222
what's ur opinion on why uatu doesn't notice odin it happened twice

and eternal friend i know u b real with me the stranger is more powerful than uatu and odin how does odin win

i called u twice last nite I think not noticing someone doesn't mean he couldn't hurt or defeat him. Not really sure about the Stranger so I just gave my opinion on Uatu and Odin.

My iphone shows no missed calls. Are you fibbing a little bit ?

"Do I have to fight the Watchers again" Stranger to Uatu in Beyond

Let me dig those scans up again

good points friend

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think not noticing someone doesn't mean he couldn't hurt or defeat him. Not really sure about the Stranger so I just gave my opinion on Uatu and Odin.

My iphone shows no missed calls. Are you fibbing a little bit ?

I value ur opinion highly

I called silly cell is on now Iphones are nice I bought two more last nite

Originally posted by guy222
I value ur opinion highly

I called silly cell is on now Iphones are nice I bought two more last nite Now you are just showing off.

don't tell

Beyond #6

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Originally posted by guy222
I value ur opinion highly

I called silly cell is on now Iphones are nice I bought two more last nite



Show off

Go Lakers

wow, don't see you actually debate very often guy! nice to see. anyway, gotta say i side a little more with nilihist in this thread. based on feats, seems odin should win. stranger seems to indicate he could beat uatu but at the same time seems to imply that uatu was there to force him to keep his word. weird. below, we see quasar doing very well against a rogue watcher. stranger shows up and together stranger and quasar take the watcher who ends up killing himself. but before he does he claims HE could have repulsed either quesar or stranger alone. guess it comes down to which scan you want to believe.

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not a great showing for a watcher against quasar. in the next issue stranger gets his butt handed to him by overmind (who is quite powerful but still, seems stranger should have been able to take him--overmind couldn't do ANYTHING to quasar....) even in beyond i wasn't all that impressed. stranger would have beaten the heroes imo, but he wasn't doing it 'effortlessly'. least it didn't seem that way to me. there are other battles that can be looked at as well.

i guess i see these 3 as being very close. all have both good and lesser showings. for my money, i think odin has the more consistently high feats than either one and has certainly got the better battle feats. i tend to not put so much stock in dialogues or statements and based on what i've seen and read of them i'd have to go with odin=>uatu=>stranger imo.

i'm curious though about where uatu seems to have so clearly dismissed odin as beneath his notice because i remember a thor issue where the watcher was present in asgard and i walked away with the impression that odin didn't really dismiss him, but sort of suffered him to watch. it gave me the idea that odin could have removed him had he wished though it was a while ago so maybe i'm misremembering.....

Odin > Uatu > Stranger.

Originally posted by Uriel005
So Odin >>> TOAA due to better and more on panel showings... gotcha. Seeng as Toaa created everybody in this thread and could command LT to nullifie the IG and we saw what his power could do in Marvel The End, you are just talking stupid.

Originally posted by guy222
wrongNo im right you just dont like it when anyone disagrees with any of you faves

Its called comics, and please show were i said Norrin defeats Stranger, i said Stranger struggled with norrin which is fact.

I did read it and Stranger even said he feared(the weak ass) group he faced.

And youre not being silly! as other posters have pointed also that Odin wins..it seems youre the one whos mind can never be changed when his fave characters are involved.

His feats, like his fight against Seth or Surtur with the twilghit sword..what have you proven on how Stranger/Uatu are more powerful other than hyperbole and space cheese.

So it means nothing here or compared to on panel facts

Sleep tight

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odin > Uatu > Stranger.

Originally posted by leonidas
wow, don't see you actually debate very often guy! nice to see. anyway, gotta say i side a little more with nilihist in this thread. based on feats, seems odin should win. stranger seems to indicate he could beat uatu but at the same time seems to imply that uatu was there to force him to keep his word. weird. below, we see quasar doing very well against a rogue watcher. stranger shows up and together stranger and quasar take the watcher who ends up killing himself. but before he does he claims HE could have repulsed either quesar or stranger alone. guess it comes down to which scan you want to believe.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/862/quasar1514.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85/quasar1515.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/quasar1516.jpg/

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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/quasar1520.jpg/

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not a great showing for a watcher against quasar. in the next issue stranger gets his butt handed to him by overmind (who is quite powerful but still, seems stranger should have been able to take him--overmind couldn't do ANYTHING to quasar....) even in beyond i wasn't all that impressed. stranger would have beaten the heroes imo, but he wasn't doing it 'effortlessly'. least it didn't seem that way to me. there are other battles that can be looked at as well.

i guess i see these 3 as being very close. all have both good and lesser showings. for my money, i think odin has the more consistently high feats than either one and has certainly got the better battle feats. i tend to not put so much stock in dialogues or statements and based on what i've seen and read of them i'd have to go with odin=>uatu=>stranger imo.

i'm curious though about where uatu seems to have so clearly dismissed odin as beneath his notice because i remember a thor issue where the watcher was present in asgard and i walked away with the impression that odin didn't really dismiss him, but sort of suffered him to watch. it gave me the idea that odin could have removed him had he wished though it was a while ago so maybe i'm misremembering.....

fair as always leo

but again

stranger is perceived above uatu in beyond as uatu was in the two instances when he dissed odin

can't get around that and my pal nih didn't address my surfer analogy if ur gonna kid stranger why not norrin feel me

feats do count never said otherwise did u see the scans of beyond

uatu wasn't concerned with odin in thor believe during the reigning will double check

i don't believe odin isn't removing uatu or the stranger

Originally posted by Nihilist
No im right you just dont like it when anyone disagrees with any of you faves

Its called comics, and please show were i said Norrin defeats Stranger, i said Stranger struggled with norrin which is fact.

I did read it and Stranger even said he feared(the weak ass) group he faced.

And youre not being silly! as other posters have pointed also that Odin wins..it seems youre the one whos mind can never be changed when his fave characters are involved.

His feats, like his fight against Seth or Surtur with the twilghit sword..what have you proven on how Stranger/Uatu are more powerful other than hyperbole and space cheese.

So it means nothing here or compared to on panel facts

Sleep tight

i sleep well as my heart cries and makes it a better person that's a fact

never silly as u see others agree with me as some agree with u

high end feats i know those

did u see what the stranger did in beyond

hyperbole geez ur better than that

Originally posted by guy222
i sleep well as my heart cries and makes it a better person that's a fact

never silly as u see others agree with me as some agree with u

high end feats i know those

did u see what the stranger did in beyond

hyperbole geez ur better than that Yeah i saw what Stranger did in Beyond he recreated War world, how does that make him able to beat Odin?

Statements in comic mean nothing, Thanos didnt want to confront Hulk at one point yet wanted to face a well nourished Galactus...showings>>>statements.

Originally posted by guy222
as uatu was in the two instances when he dissed odin

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What part of that scene indicates that Odin is inferior to Uatu exactly?

I know they had a recent interaction where Fraction's Odin yells at him like a maniac or something (Which is basically like all Thor/Odin do under him) but no inferiority in power was implied there either.

Originally posted by guy222
fair as always leo

but again

stranger is perceived above uatu in beyond as uatu was in the two instances when he dissed odin

can't get around that and my pal nih didn't address my surfer analogy if ur gonna kid stranger why not norrin feel me

feats do count never said otherwise did u see the scans of beyond

uatu wasn't concerned with odin in thor believe during the reigning will double check

i don't believe odin isn't removing uatu or the stranger

believe me, i'm not trying to get around anything, but can you tell me where those 2 instances where he dissed odin happened? cuz i'm still not sure i've ever seen that. i'm also not trying to lowball stranger. i'm just not convinced he could have taken out uatu as he seemed to imply in beyond. recreating a world is....sort of impressive, but nothing that would make me say he's above odin. what other feats (not dialogue) do you know of that make you say the stranger is so powerful? imo he's always been one of the more inconsistent 'cosmic' level guys.....

i know leo

i have the two instances on a dvd-r

happened during the reigning i believe don't recall then issue but posted the scan

happened again during the galactus seed saga

'do i have to battle the watchers again' --- how many did he fight what's the pact they made its interesting do i place em above odin and uatu i do

there's a reason uatu dismissed odin twice what do u think that reason is

its all how i perceive the stranger others also i am not trying to convince anyone who wins just stating a silly man's opinion .... nihilist and others like odin to win nothing wrong with it the stranger doesn't have many feats odin does see i am fair

my point about my friend on ict is he's the biggest odin supporter i know and he realizes odin or uatu cannot defeat the stranger and that speaks volume

Stranger should be >>>> orders of magnitude above Odin, but not seen anything impressive from him yet.

Still, Cosmics before parochial gods so: Stranger > Uatu >>> Odin

Originally posted by janus77
Stranger should be >>>> orders of magnitude above Odin, but not seen anything impressive from him yet.

Still, Cosmics before parochial gods so: Stranger > Uatu >>> Odin

that's part of my issue with the stranger. he's not a true 'cosmic'. he's a collection of intelligences that somehow merged together and was given form. he's not an abstact. he's an evolved being and, according to his own words, a scientist. not sure why that would place him above odin....

and guy--i guess i'm just not seeing the whole 'dissing' of odin. and even if he did (though again i'm unaware of the exact context) that doesn't necessarily mean he is more powerful than odin, only that he was keeping to his role as a strict observer. as for the stranger battling the watcher--he could have been referencing the very scene i posted from quasar, where q and the stranger both tackled that rogue watcher....

personally, i see them all on the same tier, but using displayed feats as a gauge, i'd have to still stick with odin.

there are limits to the applicability of using feats to determine relative power. not all characters have feats to go with their implied standing in the order of things.

significantly, Galactus has been humbled so many times (recently the indignity of getting head-butted by a one-eyed pensioner!), that the case could be made that he's probably not powerful enough to take on a Destroyer armoured Odin. Yet the order of things is such (or was such, as the confusing mess about the "cosmic egg" seems to imply a whole new fantasy backstory) that Galactus could literally eat Odin and Asgard as an aperitif before he consumes the universe and fulfils his "purpose".

Originally posted by janus77
there are limits to the applicability of using feats to determine relative power. not all characters have feats to go with their implied standing in the order of things.

significantly, Galactus has been humbled so many times (recently the indignity of getting head-butted by a one-eyed pensioner!), that the case could be made that he's probably not powerful enough to take on a Destroyer armoured Odin. Yet the order of things is such (or was such, as the confusing mess about the "cosmic egg" seems to imply a whole new fantasy backstory) that Galactus could literally eat Odin and Asgard as an aperitif before he consumes the universe and fulfils his "purpose".

implied power generally manifests at some point though. there have to be SOME feats to justify the implication. what feats of the stranger make you think he should be above odin? his origin is decidedly NOT cosmic. he's certainly not an abstract. so...... what makes you rate him so highly?

Originally posted by leonidas
implied power generally manifests at some point though. there have to be SOME feats to justify the implication. what feats of the stranger make you think he should be above odin? his origin is decidedly NOT cosmic. he's certainly not an abstract. so...... what makes you rate him so highly?
It should manifest, but that would require more comic time for the character and high-end beings have very little dramatic utility.

I think Galactus is the go-to guy for humbling the mighty situations or to usher in the next great threat (have Galactus hang around and look worried, boom new character credentials established), so there's little scope to really place The Stranger in the limelight.

I seem to recall that he was once chose to be one of the faces of the LT, which implies serious high-order standing in itself (I don't see Rhino being the fourth face ... though maybe Sue Storm should be the bosom of the LT!).

Also, as Guy222 wrote, he's fought Watchers and triumphed (I think I saw that in a scan or two), so that places him above Uatu, imo.

You need interesting mythologies and "furniture" (associated characters, antagonists/protagonists etc) in order to really bring out the feats and Odin has a well defined and rich mythology, which has in the past provided plenty of opportunities for immense feats.

Stranger is poorly defined, his background seems to have shifted greatly and his associated characters aren't of an order of power that would give him opportunities to both demonstrate serious power whilst retaining dramatic interest.

Originally posted by leonidas
implied power generally manifests at some point though. there have to be SOME feats to justify the implication. what feats of the stranger make you think he should be above odin? his origin is decidedly NOT cosmic. he's certainly not an abstract. so...... what makes you rate him so highly?

Wait, wasn't the "Stranger is a collection of billions of people" origin proven to be a lie? There is still no confirmed origin story for him.

He most definitely is a cosmic though (see the IG fiasco) and the LT said Stranger could have been his fourth visage.

Originally posted by janus77
It should manifest, but that would require more comic time for the character and high-end beings have very little dramatic utility.

I think Galactus is the go-to guy for humbling the mighty situations or to usher in the next great threat (have Galactus hang around and look worried, boom new character credentials established), so there's little scope to really place The Stranger in the limelight.

I seem to recall that he was once chose to be one of the faces of the LT, which implies serious high-order standing in itself (I don't see Rhino being the fourth face ... though maybe Sue Storm should be the bosom of the LT!).

Also, as Guy222 wrote, he's fought Watchers and triumphed (I think I saw that in a scan or two), so that places him above Uatu, imo.

You need interesting mythologies and "furniture" (associated characters, antagonists/protagonists etc) in order to really bring out the feats and Odin has a well defined and rich mythology, which has in the past provided plenty of opportunities for immense feats.

Stranger is poorly defined, his background seems to have shifted greatly and his associated characters aren't of an order of power that would give him opportunities to both demonstrate serious power whilst retaining dramatic interest.

that's all well and good and i get the lack of appearances and such, but there still needs to be SOME proof. if he did fight a watcher, and win, alone, i've not seen the scan. THAT would be some proof. as such, there just really isn't any support for him aside from some narration that hasn't been supported by feats.

as for the lt comment:

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i've never really understood why people make a big deal of it. it's utterly ambiguous and and really doesn't seem to say anything at all to me about the stranger and his level of power though i'll happily listen to peoples' interpretations of the scene.

again, i don't get the stranger, and don't really see why people rate him so highly.

@zop--if that origin was retconned, i've not seen it and would love to know where that happened.

Originally posted by leonidas
@zop--if that origin was retconned, i've not seen it and would love to know where that happened.

I was referring to the Silver Surfer arc (late 80s early 90s) issues 27-31 I believe, when the Surfer confronted Stranger and asked him about his lifestyle/origin because the Surfer was feeling down and out about his solitary role in the universe. The Stranger told him the "composite being consisting of billions" story and the Surfer called him out on that lie, then he told him "alien from alt dimension" (I think) story and again the Surfer called him on the lie, then the Stranger got fed up with the questions and they started fighting.

I got the issues, I just need to find which one the confrontation took place in. Give me a few.

Here's the scan, found it too late to edit my post :
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5527/strangerp.th.jpg

Being a "cosmic being" in of itself doesn't automatically make you > a Skyfather. Not sure why that seems to be a popular belief around here. Based on feats, Odin in his prime had showings that rivaled that of Galactus' own, yet people got all up in arms over the idea that Classic Odin would even challenge Galactus due to how important Galactus is in the grand scheme of things. Hell, Galactus fared better than Odin in Mighty Thor recently and even that wasn't enough for some people.

Yea, screw that Cosmic biased bullshit. Can't believe it's still around, even in a Post Chaos War world.

Originally posted by Nihilist
No im right you just dont like it when anyone disagrees with any of you faves

Its called comics, and please show were i said Norrin defeats Stranger, i said Stranger struggled with norrin which is fact.

I did read it and Stranger even said he feared(the weak ass) group he faced.

And youre not being silly! as other posters have pointed also that Odin wins..it seems youre the one whos mind can never be changed when his fave characters are involved.

His feats, like his fight against Seth or Surtur with the twilghit sword..what have you proven on how Stranger/Uatu are more powerful other than hyperbole and space cheese.

So it means nothing here or compared to on panel facts

Sleep tight the point doesn't specifically refer to the LT. Don't deliberately ignore the point. The point is that there are beings that we understand to stand a certain place in the hierarchy of the universe. Many of them really don't have feats backing it up but we take it on good faith that they stand where the writers say they do simply because we don't have much other choice unless you want to disregard the character. So when someone like the stranger is saying that if the watchers try and force his hand he could beat the heroes and Uatu I'll have to take it on good faith that it is within his capabilities and that he doesn't care enough to really force the point.

The thing people have to realize is, the Stranger has had one "ok" showing and lots of questionable showings for a being of his supposed rank and power in the cosmic hierarchy.

The ONE "ok" showing was during the IG affair when he, Galactus and Eon took it to Thanos w/IG in a stupendous triple team attack. Meanwhile Odin and the Skyfathers were stuck in Asgard. That's it. His other showings have him struggling with the X-men, Silver Surfer/Super Skrull, Pluto and the Overmind! The freaking craptacular Overmind! Odin could literally ONE shot those people.

Regarding Uatu and the Watchers, it's a little more murky. They have displayed some cool things on panel power and feat wise, but their fights are lackluster because they avoid combat by their very nature. The Quasar vs Utmo (?) fight was pure PIS. Utmo could have warped Quasar into a rat and stomped him yet he didn't and resorted to PUNCHING him and acting like he was the bald, white version of the Hulk!

Originally posted by leonidas
in the next issue stranger gets his butt handed to him by overmind (who is quite powerful but still, seems stranger should have been able to take him--overmind couldn't do ANYTHING to quasar....)

Yeah but weren't both encounters (with Quasar & Stranger) strictly telepathic related?

Originally posted by zopzop
The thing people have to realize is, the Stranger has had one "ok" showing and lots of questionable showings for a being of his supposed rank and power in the cosmic hierarchy.

The ONE "ok" showing was during the IG affair when he, Galactus and Eon took it to Thanos w/IG in a stupendous triple team attack.

He also stood alongside LT/Zeus/and I believe it was Lord Chaos in another team attack vs. Thanos & THOTU.

If it's worth anything, he also stalemated beams with Korvac with the moon caught in the middle after Stranger tried to use it as a weapon.

Originally posted by Uriel005
the point doesn't specifically refer to the LT. Don't deliberately ignore the point. The point is that there are beings that we understand to stand a certain place in the hierarchy of the universe. Many of them really don't have feats backing it up but we take it on good faith that they stand where the writers say they do simply because we don't have much other choice unless you want to disregard the character. So when someone like the stranger is saying that if the watchers try and force his hand he could beat the heroes and Uatu I'll have to take it on good faith that it is within his capabilities and that he doesn't care enough to really force the point.

To add to that, the fear Stranger referred to was the potential of Earths inhabitants to somehow one day overcome those in the cosmic hierarchy. There was no fear whatsoever of the team that was currently present before him.

great posts

and friends can we honestly say in good faith odin has more feats he's been around longer and the stranger doesn't have many but

in the end for me and others he's perceived > uatu and odin

again i will say not forcing anyone to like or give em the win just a lil due respect for his nice mustache

Guy222... What should be the truth is this...
Aunt may has a feat of putting spiderman in his place
TOAA does not have any feats of beating anyone

This in a forum fight aunt may > TOAA.

What a horrible analogy. I mean, utterly atrocious.

Anyways imo, feats of scale (At least if performed more than once), battles etc. place you in a certain tier, once there, it's track records that matter the most. It's not perfect, but I find that it's the method that most consistently fits with how comics work.

Originally posted by guy222
again i will say not forcing anyone to like or give em the win just a lil due respect for his nice mustache

Indeed. Nice mustache > bald head > long beard

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What a horrible analogy. I mean, utterly atrocious.



again, implied power needs to be demonstrated to some extent to justify said standing. stranger has some decent feats and a lot of less-than feats. being a 'cosmic' is not reason in-and-of-itself to say a character is 'teh awesomezz!!11!'

@zop--i.....don't understand how that scan is a retcon at all.

he told ss his people were studying others. but ss knew stranger told reed he was a composite being so he knew his people COULDN'T be studying. THAT was what he lied about. that scan just mean he lied to reed..... just to ss about the existence of his people. the whole quasar arc with the overmind came AFTER that ss arc and reconfirmed the origin.

Originally posted by rotiart
Guy222... What should be the truth is this...
Aunt may has a feat of putting spiderman in his place
TOAA does not have any feats of beating anyone

This in a forum fight aunt may > TOAA.

and brute socked sue we don't say brute >>> exitar do we

toaa is the most powerful being we have in marvel as whoever dc has

that's not a good analogy friend

again, i don't mind anyone's opinion on whether they like odin to win because he has more feats or whether the stranger does not imho...odin was dismissed twice by uatu the stranger has faught the watchers before and survived uatu confirmed that with the secret no getting around that

and why does the watcher show up an event is gonna happen did odin forsee his death in thor 37-38 was uatu concerned read beyond #6 its clear as day

no one is gonna convince me the stranger is less powerful than uatu or odin simple hardheaded deal with it

last point friend this is a forum we all participate i do as well i don't 'debate' just told a friend that i do work with lawyers and a 'forum' this is see i simply get around the rules

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What a horrible analogy. I mean, utterly atrocious.

Anyways imo, feats of scale (At least if performed more than once), battles etc. place you in a certain tier, once there, it's track records that matter the most. It's not perfect, but I find that it's the method that most consistently fits with how comics work.

nicely said

and the stranger wins

Originally posted by leonidas


again, implied power needs to be demonstrated to some extent to justify said standing. stranger has some decent feats and a lot of less-than feats. being a 'cosmic' is not reason in-and-of-itself to say a character is 'teh awesomezz!!11!'

@zop--i.....don't understand how that scan is a retcon at all.

he told ss his people were studying others. but ss knew stranger told reed he was a composite being so he knew his people COULDN'T be studying. THAT was what he lied about. that scan just mean he lied to reed..... just to ss about the existence of his people. the whole quasar arc with the overmind came AFTER that ss arc and reconfirmed the origin.

check ur pm

Originally posted by leonidas

@zop--i.....don't understand how that scan is a retcon at all.

he told ss his people were studying others. but ss knew stranger told reed he was a composite being so he knew his people COULDN'T be studying. THAT was what he lied about. that scan just mean he lied to reed..... just to ss about the existence of his people. the whole quasar arc with the overmind came AFTER that ss arc and reconfirmed the origin.

That scan proved he was a liar (not just about his origin). It was confirmed in the FF Annual when Kubik took Kosmos on a tour of creation. Stranger wasn't grouped with the "composite beings" but in his own category and Kubik stated "his origin a mystery, perhaps even to himself".

All of this was on panel and confirmed again in his handbook entry. I can post those if you like too.

Originally posted by zopzop
That scan proved he was a liar (not just about his origin). It was confirmed in the FF Annual when Kubik took Kosmos on a tour of creation. Stranger wasn't grouped with the "composite beings" but in his own category and Kubik stated "his origin a mystery, perhaps even to himself".

All of this was on panel and confirmed again in his handbook entry. I can post those if you like too.

that's fine. stranger is a liar. doesn't mean we automatically assume EVERYTHING he says is a lie. the quasar stuff happened AFTER the ss stuff. so even if you want to somehow say that ss stuff was a retcon (don't see how) then the quasar stuff reconfirmed his origin anyway. as far as the mystery surrounding him--no one really has ever said or described just HOW the merger occurred, or what exactly the stranger is aside from a collection of intelligences. that would pretty easily explain away kubik's questions. i'm not sure when that kubik issue happened. if it was in the late 80's, it would also be BEFORE the quasar stuff and so irrelevent anyway. if it came after, it in no way contradicts what we know about his origin either.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's fine. stranger is a liar. doesn't mean we automatically assume EVERYTHING he says is a lie. the quasar stuff happened AFTER the ss stuff. so even if you want to somehow say that ss stuff was a retcon (don't see how) then the quasar stuff reconfirmed his origin anyway. as far as the mystery surrounding him--no one really has ever said or described just HOW the merger occurred, or what exactly the stranger is aside from a collection of intelligences. that would pretty easily explain away kubik's questions. i'm not sure when that kubik issue happened. if it was in the late 80's, it would also be BEFORE the quasar stuff and so irrelevent anyway. if it came after, it in no way contradicts what we know about his origin either.

Nope the Kubik/Kosmos cosmic tour took place in 1990 (Fantastic Four Annual 23) same year as the Quasar Journey into Mystery arc. The Handbook entry confirming that no one knows the Stranger's origin came out in 2006.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nope the Kubik/Kosmos cosmic tour took place in 1990 (Fantastic Four Annual 23) same year as the Quasar Journey into Mystery arc. The Handbook entry confirming that no one knows the Stranger's origin came out in 2006.

2006? what does it say exactly? the online handbook entries all confirm the composite nature of the stranger but say that the 'how' of his formation is still not understood. i just find it hard to believe marvel's online sources would be so different from the handbooks.

Originally posted by leonidas
2006? what does it say exactly? the online handbook entries all confirm the composite nature of the stranger but say that the 'how' of his formation is still not understood. i just find it hard to believe marvel's online sources would be so different from the handbooks.

I'm talking about the Official Handbook (comic version 2006 edition). Oh and here it is from the Stranger himself (or he could be lying again), from that very Quasar arc (Journey into Mystery) :
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8106/liarliaru.th.jpg

To recap, there is zero proof he's a composite being. He admits it in this Quasar issue (Quasar 16), confirmed by Kubik (Fantastic Four 23) and the official handbook entry (2006).

Here is the official handbook entry :
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/962/strangerbio.th.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm talking about the Official Handbook (comic version 2006 edition). Oh and here it is from the Stranger himself (or he could be lying again), from that very Quasar arc (Journey into Mystery) :
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8106/liarliaru.th.jpg

To recap, there is zero proof he's a composite being. He admits it in this Quasar issue (Quasar 16), confirmed by Kubik (Fantastic Four 23) and the official handbook entry (2006).

Here is the official handbook entry :
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/962/strangerbio.th.jpg

Admittedly, if happened in a What If, but didnt Korvac blast The Stranger into the component beings that he was formed from?

do what ifs count hmm

Originally posted by guy222
do what ifs count hmm

Nope...not at all.

What Ifs are even more inconsistent than what goes on in canon writing...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Admittedly, if happened in a What If, but didnt Korvac blast The Stranger into the component beings that he was formed from?

Yup right after he exhausted himself in that pushing contest with Korvac (regarding the Moon). But like you said, it's from a What If and they are notoriously inconsistent. Hell that entire What If issue made ZERO sense. The LT's "highest" punishment was making a star go nova? LOL.

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm talking about the Official Handbook (comic version 2006 edition). Oh and here it is from the Stranger himself (or he could be lying again), from that very Quasar arc (Journey into Mystery) :
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8106/liarliaru.th.jpg

To recap, there is zero proof he's a composite being. He admits it in this Quasar issue (Quasar 16), confirmed by Kubik (Fantastic Four 23) and the official handbook entry (2006).

Here is the official handbook entry :
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/962/strangerbio.th.jpg

fair enough. he still COULD be a composite though. there's no more proof AGAINST this, than there is FOR it. he may or may not have been lying about either part. meh, regardless, the mess they apparently made of his history only reconfirms my low opinion of the character in general.

good job making your case though.