Superman Blue Vs Silver Surfer

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SquallX
Both are out for the kill.

Sr J-Bieb
Surfer

JakeTheBank
Surfer

janus77
Superman (black & ) blue. beaten black and blue that is yes


Surfer 10/10.

SquallX
Blue fought Asmodel.

Blue's able to take the kinetic energy from explosions and redirect it.

janus77
Originally posted by SquallX
Blue fought Asmodel.

Blue's able to take the kinetic energy from explosions and redirect it.
and Surfer's able to take ALL energy and ... do whatever the hell he wants with it.

Superman would be a puppet in Surfer's hands. matter manipulated into a puppy even.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by SquallX
Blue fought Asmodel.

Blue's able to take the kinetic energy from explosions and redirect it. Surfer fought Rune with the IG

Surfer's able to take energy from almost anywhere and power himself up

MF DELPH
Didn't Blue get his frequency altered by Dr. Light?

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Didn't Blue get his frequency altered by Dr. Light? Dr. Light turned him into radio waves and transmitted him into outer space.

leonidas
^ yeah, that doesn't bode well for him in this fight.... though wasn't the doc amped for that feat? not that it would matter much i don't think...

Naija boy
Surfer

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by leonidas
^ yeah, that doesn't bode well for him in this fight.... though wasn't the doc amped for that feat? not that it would matter much i don't think... Just Lex's tutelage. Superman Blue's suffered at the hands of many energy manipulators.

quanchi112
Originally posted by SquallX
Blue fought Asmodel.

Blue's able to take the kinetic energy from explosions and redirect it. erm

leonidas
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Just Lex's tutelage. Superman Blue's suffered at the hands of many energy manipulators.

ah. must have been thinking of another instance where doc was amped.

carver9
Originally posted by SquallX
Blue fought Asmodel.

Blue's able to take the kinetic energy from explosions and redirect it.

confused

abhilegend
Surfer 6/10. Considering Dr. Light ambushed him and blue was a novice, it's just a low showing. Surfer had his power leeched by Iron man and koed. Blue could also take energy from anywhere, he even took energy from clouds.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer 6/10. Considering Dr. Light ambushed him and blue was a novice, it's just a low showing. Surfer had his power leeched by Iron man and koed. Blue could also take energy from anywhere, he even took energy from clouds.

Lowball master.

abhilegend
^Who, me? IRONY.

Lord Feron
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer 6/10. Considering Dr. Light ambushed him and blue was a novice, it's just a low showing. Surfer had his power leeched by Iron man and koed. Blue could also take energy from anywhere, he even took energy from clouds.

thats nice, I like how you think Surfer normal operating level is same as Iron Man's. That's enough of you. Happy Dance

abhilegend
^That was a rebuttal of superman blue getting manipulated by Dr. Light. How awfull of me to tell a low showing of mighty surfer,I give him only 6/10. BLASPHEMY.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Definitely Surfer. Superman Blue was basically Surfer lite. Tbf, he used his powers more intelligently (Like Magneto, it'd be interesting to see who'd win between those two) but Surfer can do anything he can, and is more powerful.

janus77
Surfer would simply turn him inert. There's nothing 'Blue can actually do to Surfer (outside of using lowball feats, in which case, an arm-bar should suffice).

Surfer has complete control over his own atoms and can duplicate himself and reform himself from atoms... what is 'Blue going to do?

I see this as a serious of moderately quick and decisive confrontations. Surfer winning 10 out of 10.

MF DELPH
Yeah, I'm comfortable saying Surfer would take 10/10. No reservations.

abhilegend
Bump.

Superman just drains him of all his power. Just like Parsaite.

thumb up

carver9
Love Superman Blue but Surfer kills him. ABHI even gave Surfer the edge.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Love Superman Blue but Surfer kills him. ABHI even gave Surfer the edge.
How does he kill Superman? Superman has easily absorbed all of Parasite's energies.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24537919_AdventuresOfSuperman552p14.jpg

Absorbing Surfer's energies is a child's play compared to that.

And I was new at that time.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Superman 7/10

abhilegend
I did some digging and looks like Surfer has THE worst record against energy draining than ANY herald.

Against Motherboard

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-21.jpg

Against stranger

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3027-12.jpg

Against demonstar

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-12.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-13.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-14.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-15.jpg

Dynamo city

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-11.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-12.jpg

Captain reptyl

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3012-01.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3012-02-03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3012-06.jpg

Some space pirates

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/07.jpg

Dampyre

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3017.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3019.jpg

Iron man

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/norad35bd.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/norad48uz.jpg

Random minions of Pluto.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/DefendersII03p13.jpg

Rulk

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/808236-death_of_a_surfer_super.jpg

Sonic shark

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-20.jpg

Another tech drainage

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3124p15.jpg

High evolutionary

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/hevol6.jpg

Against random energy leecher.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Marvel/Silver%20Surfer%20-%20In%20Thy%20Name%20002-022.jpg.html
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Marvel/Silver%20Surfer%20-%20In%20Thy%20Name%20002-023.jpg.html

Doom's device.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_FantasticFourv105715.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_FantasticFourv105716.jpg

Again.

http://i.imgur.com/iqahvRg.jpg

Kree starwheel.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_Defendersv2008-08.jpg

Random solar energy absorber.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--U9Oq7nokiA/VcIQ2dhS3bI/AAAAAAAOAPA/rZv4PMtPiHM/s1600/p_17_13.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gRzxn5y0mGs/VcIQ2lj6eeI/AAAAAAAOAPI/GL4Thd8O0Zw/s1600/p_17_14.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sRlSTDdTimk/VcIQ3BSIbEI/AAAAAAAOAPQ/M7wsAzu8hjk/s1600/p_17_15.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O3L885RUWAc/VcIQ31f4NcI/AAAAAAAOAPc/tvt3PTjMvvo/s1600/p_17_17.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-u3eVbTUPsWk/VcIQ4F_8SpI/AAAAAAAOAQM/-FDobn1uXVA/s1600/p_17_18.jpg

LMAO. Nobody brings up that against Surfer though.

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Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
How does he kill Superman? Superman has easily absorbed all of Parasite's energies.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24537919_AdventuresOfSuperman552p14.jpg

Absorbing Surfer's energies is a child's play compared to that.

And I was new at that time. Didn't Parasite say that he was "real hungry" right before he tried to suck Superman? This implies that he may have been markedly depowered when Supes drained him. /shrug



Full scene:
http://i.imgur.com/97FEBUi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xiBHTlB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ldxjmYi.jpg

abhilegend
Well Parasite was hungry as he wasn't full on energy.

But he is always like that. It's not like he can't absorb energy as efficiently if he is hungry or something like that.

Superman absorbed the power of full power Parasite too.

abhilegend
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Yeah, I'm comfortable saying Surfer would take 10/10. No reservations.
Is that so Delph? Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Definitely Surfer. Superman Blue was basically Surfer lite. Tbf, he used his powers more intelligently (Like Magneto, it'd be interesting to see who'd win between those two) but Surfer can do anything he can, and is more powerful.
Is that so rage?

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't Parasite say that he was "real hungry" right before he tried to suck Superman? This implies that he may have been markedly depowered when Supes drained him. /shrug



Full scene:
http://i.imgur.com/97FEBUi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xiBHTlB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ldxjmYi.jpg

Good catch. Surfer still kills him.

-Pr-
Surfer imo.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Good catch. Surfer still kills him.
laughing out loud

How?

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well Parasite was hungry as he wasn't full on energy.

But he is always like that. It's not like he can't absorb energy as efficiently if he is hungry or something like that. Yes, Parasite is always hungry to some extent. However, he made it a point to say that he was "real" hungry right before attacking Superman there. Additionally, we know that Parasite's size fluctuates in accordance with the energy he's absorbed. If he's amped/well-fed, he turns into a massive, hulking beast. If he's abnormally depleted, he looks skinny and emaciated. At his normal/unfed levels, he's roughly the size of an average human--which was the case in that scene.

So yeah, that particular showing isn't indicative of Blue being able to drain Surfer, imo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman absorbed the power of full power Parasite too. I wouldn't say he was at 'full power'(Parasite doesn't seem to have much of a cap at times), but yes, Blue did absorb the power of an amped Parasite... So I'm wondering why you didn't just post/cling to that? confused

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, Parasite is always hungry to some extent. However, he made it a point to say that he was "real" hungry right before attacking Superman there. Additionally, we know that Parasite's size fluctuates in accordance with the energy he's absorbed. If he's amped/well-fed, he turns into a massive, hulking beast. If he's abnormally depleted, he looks skinny and emaciated. At his normal/unfed levels, he's roughly the size of an average human--which was the case in that scene.

So yeah, that particular showing isn't indicative of Blue being able to drain Surfer, imo.


I disagree. Overpowering Parasite's draining and draining him is always a huge feat. He is one of the most powerful energy drainer in the comics.

Unfortunately I don't have scans for that. Can you post those scans?

Galan007
http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539583_Superman127p08.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539584_Superman127p09.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539585_Superman127p10.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539586_Superman127p11.jpg


And unlike the scene you posted, Blue was actually in control there. thumb up

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539583_Superman127p08.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539584_Superman127p09.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539585_Superman127p10.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24539586_Superman127p11.jpg


And unlike the scene you posted, Blue was actually in control there. thumb up
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That's a beastly showing for any energy manipulator.

Surfer stands no chance here.

Zack M
Superman Blue.

abhilegend
Man, this is boring without some surfer fans.

yawn

panthergod
Superman wins 7/10.

Fiendish
Originally posted by abhilegend
I did some digging and looks like Surfer has THE worst record against energy draining than ANY herald.
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.


Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.


The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.


In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.


The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.


The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.


Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.


The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.


The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.


As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.


That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.


Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.


Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.


Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.


The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.


You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.



Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.

cdtm
Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.


Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.


The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.


In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.


The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.


The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.


Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.


The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.


The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.


As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.


That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.


Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.


Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.


Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.


The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.


You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.



Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.

Plus, there's Norrin draining the Uni Lord.

deathslash
Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.


Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.


The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.


In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.


The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.


The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.


Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.


The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.


The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.


As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.


That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.


Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.


Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.


Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.


The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.


You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.



Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer. laughing his first post and he already proves abhi to be a giant liar and owns him at the same time? This kid deserves a medal.

Rao Kal El
Superman Blue draining an amped drainer wins the case for me.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.


Oh really?

Feats for this "control over all energy" supercomputer?

And Shang Chi and Black Widow were summoned to fight HOTI Thanos. Your point being? Stranger has no feats at that level.

Yes, because he dodged the energy sphere.




Not really. Demonstar stopped draining him. He didn't overcome anything.

That's not Thanos tech. And the same energy draining had no effect on Drax.

So nothing but whining? How does pre prepped scenarios detract from the point that Surfer is ridiculously easy to drain?

He overloaded their weapons because they were only able to drain a small amount of his power at a time.

Again with the prep?

Quasar overloaded him.

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And? He was just draining a very small amount from him.

If he can't overcome draining from fodder demons what can he do? He was still getting drained.

Really? Proof.

What exactly is your point here? And not specifically designed for Surfer. They are just energy absorbers.

Feats for this "cosmic entity"?

Again with the same excuse?

And Hulk overpowered it.

That storm was just for the show. And how did it leave him vulnerable exactly?

You're not exactly saying anything new. Are these supposed to make these go away?

Correction. Both Quasar and Krosakis drained surfer. One was not able to fully drain him.

Other was overloaded because he didn't know how much he could absorb.

Surfer doesn't has any counter for energy draining from superior energy manipulators like Energy Superman. He can try to overload him all he like, it's not going to work.

Let me guess, you're from comicvine?

abhilegend
Just for a reminder how powerful Superman was, here he absorbs ALL the power of Earth from a machine which had absorbed it all.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535346_planetenergy.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535353_planetenergy2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535365_planetenergy3.jpg

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Fiendish
You may not realize it but many of the examples you sited have context you are missing.


Motherboard 49.7 was a planet sized computer with explicit control over all energy within it, yet it still took a considerable amount of time to actually drain Surfer.


The Stranger is extremely powerful, he was among the cosmic entities summoned by Eternity to stop Thanos when he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. Not to mention the technique Stranger used to trap Surfer fails when he tries it a second time.


In the very next page after the last scan you showed, Surfer overcomes Demonstar's draining, atomizes his staff and easily defeats him.


The draining in Dynamo City was a pre-prepped trap set by Thanos using his technology.


The instance with Reptyl was also a pre-prepped trap set for Surfer and Reptyl had to incapacitate Surfer before he could drain him.


Those aren't space pirates, they're the Collection Agency, a team contracted by the Collector to stop Surfer, they were specifically prepped to fight him, yet he still resisted their draining and defeated them.


The instance with Dampyre is legit, it's basically just what it looks like.


The instance with Iron Man is also legit, though you should note that Iron Man's draining had no negative effect on Surfer.


As you can seen in your scan, Surfer easily overcomes their attempt to drain him.


That's a alternate Surfer from the Earth-90512 universe.


Pre-prepped weapon specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Again, pre-prepped equipment specifically designed to drain Surfer.


Not just a random energy leecher, it's an immensely powerful cosmic entity that's a part of the Astral Plane.


Doom's device was specifically designed to steal Surfer's power.


Of course, Black Panther just reuses Doom's device.


The Kree Starwheel was a superweapon that was specifically designed to drain powerful entities, that was it's whole purpose.


You may have missed the part just prior to your scans where Surfer just got done dissipating an immense cosmic storm that's size dwarfed the planet they were on and which rendered him vulnerable to the creature.



Most of those instances were with specifically designed, pre-prepped equiment/technology.

Without prep, even high tier energy drainers like Quasar and Krosakis's draining proved ineffective against Surfer.
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celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for a reminder how powerful Superman was, here he absorbs ALL the power of Earth from a machine which had absorbed it all.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535346_planetenergy.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535353_planetenergy2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535365_planetenergy3.jpg

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.
Your explanations for some of those plucked Surfer scans though..
facepalm

Cringeworthy.
I can tell you actually didn't read those stories.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Some of your plucked Surfer scans though..
facepalm

Cringeworthy.
I can tell you actually didn't read those stories.
laughing out loud

Are you going to whine here too?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Are you going to whine here too?
Nah bro.

Few are legit and pretty straightforward. Some look like you literally plucked scans and made some shortsighted explanations. Even ones with clear explanations in your plucked scans.
sad

abhilegend
Everything there is legit.

You're just whining now.

Mr Master
Originally posted by cdtm

Plus, there's Norrin draining the Uni Lord.
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http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24550512_S_Uni.jpg

... and returns Uni-Lord's attack ... "a million times over".

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Surfer also destroyed a Solar System after amping himself with what he absorbed:

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24550513_S_Uni1.jpghttp://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24550514_S_Uni2.jpg

So, Surfer can easily re-direct vast amounts of energy after absorbing it.

abhilegend
That's non canon.

erm

Mr Master
^^ Really? ... What makes mainstream line 616 Silver Surfer vol 3 #120, "non-canon?"

#121 is completely based off of #120, so I suppose that's "non-canon" as well?

#122, also references the events of #120, so, that's gotta be "non-canon" likewise?

Oh, and the whole Uni-Lord incident is referenced in Surfer's bio. (so, weird)

Galan007
Here comes the whole Uni-Lord canonicity debate... sad

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's non canon.

erm
Funny you say that, but you post an alternate Surfer getting drained who just recently became empowered.
erm

Fiendish
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh really?

Silver Surfer #24 is Motherboard 49.7s sole appearance, if you've read that issue you've seen all its feats.


Fair enough.


You're scans end just before the page that demonstrated Surfer being "drained" didn't have the effect on him Demonstar believed it did, he was holding back because he believed they had Shalla Bal captive, as soon as it was revealed they didn't, Surfer effortlessly defeated Demonstar.


Drax breached the city without going through the draining area, he went directly into interior city to meet with Surfer.


You need me to explain the effect prep and knowledge can have in battles? Often in the scenarios without prep (and even some with) Surfer ends up resisting/overcoming/overpowering the drain attempts.


He resisted and overloaded their draining attempt. Something you forgot to mention, so you can understand why I assumed you had just missed that part.


Makes sense, the Quantum Zone is limitless and Quasar is a better energy manipulator than Surfer.


It's an instance where draining was an ineffective tactic against him.


I take it you haven't actually read Hulk #12. I can't post links, so if you're actually interested just do a search for "Norrin Radd Earth-90512".


The Sonic Shark was designed specifically to drain cosmic energy, it was General Fredricks's countermeasure against Surfer.


You might want to actually read your scan from Silver Surfer #124 if you think that equipment wasn't specifically designed for Surfer.


Have you read the High Evolutionary Arc? It's clear the High Evolutionary carefully planned and prepped for his encounter with the Surfer.


Hulk's overpowered numerous energy drainers and energy draining devices over the years, that's kinda his thing.


How was the storm just for show? The energy discharges from it were clearly destroying things. When Surfer absorbed and redirected the energy of the storm he absorbed the creature right into his body, that's what allowed it to attack him from within.


With prep, Doom's stolen Galactus and the Beyonder's power before as well. You think him stealing Surfer's power shows a particular weakness for the Surfer?


No matter how much energy Quasar drained from Surfer it wasn't slowing Surfer down and yes Surfer simply overloaded Krosakis. In both cases draining was an ineffective tactic, it didn't give them a victory and in Krosakis case it resulted in his loss.


Surfer's already had a superior energy manipulator (Quasar) try to drain him in combat, it wasn't effective.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Really? ... What makes mainstream line 616 Silver Surfer vol 3 #120, "non-canon?"

#121 is completely based off of #120, so I suppose that's "non-canon" as well?

#122, also references the events of #120, so, that's gotta be "non-canon" likewise?

Oh, and the whole Uni-Lord incident is referenced in Surfer's bio. (so, weird)
Well, educate yourself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
MYTH

Surfer was cut into pieces and was still alive


First the evidence that the unilord saga is a What If story, here is the scene where surfer attempted to enter the unilord universe in SS v3 112

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p11.jpg

Now what is revealed later in SS v3 114 is that surfer failed to enter the unilord universe and its all a What If scenario

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg

Now the reason why that scene can't be used as a proof that surfer can live even cut into pieces is that because HE DIED and his soul was absorbed into a blackbody and he shattered into pieces after that.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p22.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3113p23.jpg

Unilord made the union and called it Black Surfer

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p09.jpg

While surfer's power was absorbed by twelve individuals which were granted his powers

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3117p02.jpg

The balck surfer then absorbed surfer's powers back and surfer after getting his body and soul back broke free from blackbody's control

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3118p22.jpg

That was one of the biggest MYTHS about surfer.

MYTH BUSTED

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Funny you say that, but you post an alternate Surfer getting drained who just recently became empowered.
erm

And where exactly is it stated that it was an alternate surfer?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Fiendish
Silver Surfer #24 is Motherboard 49.7s sole appearance, if you've read that issue you've seen all its feats.


So it's powerful because it drained Surfer? Awesome logic.

OK.

Because she stopped draining him and started gloating. Surfer then atomized her staff.

Not resisted the draining.

The entire city was an energy draining device. Hence Surfer was depowered all the time.

Like when? He has done it when the weapons draining him aren't equipped with draining him entirely. Did you even read the story? They were draining him successfully until they stopped and surfer overloaded their weapons by firing all his energy at once. It was specifically stated even.

Quasar doesn't has unlimited energy on his disposal. And Superman has better range and power of energy manipulation than Quasar. He can manipulate kinetic, psychic, magical and life energy which both surfer and Quasar can't.

From fodder demons? What's next? Beating hand ninjas as a feat?

Well I actually have. And Grandmaster brought surfer from 616 reality past to future.

It's never informed that he was from an alternate reality.

It was Reed's invention to absorb cosmic radiation. Not designed for Surfer. Read the comic before spouting nonsense.

I have. It's just an energy drainer.

I have. It still doesn't excuses his casual draining.

Better than Surfer? Where was that fabled energy manipulation then?

What are you talking about? The creature flay out stated that the storm was just for show.

And surfer didn't absorb the creature in his body. Where did you get that?

Are you sure about the same device draining Galactus and Beyonder? Doom stole his power by some magnets. It's not that hard to replicate.

Well, it's good thing that Superman can absorb energy better than Quasar.

And Krosakis overloaded himself.

These are two cases. I've shown nearly twenty cases where draining is a very effective tactic against Surfer. More than against any Herald.

Well Quasar isn't a superior energy manipulator than energy Superman. He explicitly can't manipulate kinetic energy from physical attacks.

Superman can do that effortlessly.

Fiendish
Originally posted by abhilegend
So it's powerful because it drained Surfer? Awesome logic.
You're the one that brought up the instance and the showing has Surfer resisting energy draining for a considerable amount of time.


They never stopped draining Surfer, Jude was taunting Surfer about being drained when Surfer overcame Janus and Shaara's draining, broke out of their quarantine fields and grabbed Jude's arm directing a shot from his gun into Shaara. Surfer then threw Jude into a wall, grabbed Janus and overloaded his draining equipment.


What does this have to do with Quasar being a better energy manipulator than Surfer?


Again, you brought up the instance and it's an instance where draining was ineffective against Surfer.


Then you must have missed the part where Rulk kills the Surfer he drained, that Surfer is dead, it's not Earth-616 Surfer.


It may not have been designed specifically for the Surfer but it was designed specifically for cosmic energy, that's why General Fredricks's used it against the Surfer.


It says right in your scan, it literally says 'The coalition prepared me well for this mission" and "They have armed me with weapons specifically designed with you in mind".


It required the High Evolutionary's ship, a host of draining cables and the High Evolutionary's intense concentration. You think that's casual draining?


As far as feats of overpowering energy draining go, I'd say Hulk is indeed better than Surfer.


Quasar is very adept at specifically draining opponents though, he even drained a Watcher (Otmu), on one occasion.


Strange he would specifically beg Surfer to stop then.


Based on this comment, I'm just now realizing, I was probably mistaken in presuming you were missing context, I think you know the context, you're just ignoring it and are going to continue trying to present all of these showings in support of your argument, regardless of what they actually show and regardless of anything I say. Considering that, it seems pointless to keep at this.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Fiendish
You're the one that brought up the instance and the showing has Surfer resisting energy draining for a considerable amount of time.


He wasn't resisting it. He was flying before he got drained. There is a difference in both.

So you think this is him overcoming draining?

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/?action=view&current=08.jpg

They started fighting amongst themselves and surfer took advantage of it.

Where did he overcome the draining?

Are we talking about Quasar vs Surfer here?

By fodder demons. It shows how easy is to drain him.

And Grandmaster brought them back. Hulk was killed in that comic. He must be an alternate hulk too, right?



Surfer isn't that special in that category. The shark was specifically designed to absorb energy. Not to use against Surfer.

Yes, energy absorbers. Surfer states that flat out.

"Draining cables"? "Intense concentration"?

hysterical




.........

..

What the f**k?

What are you actually arguing at this point?

So is Energy Superman. He drained pretty much anyone he encountered.

It was his go to move.

Yes, he was unaware of how much he can absorb.

What are you talking about now?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
And where exactly is it stated that it was an alternate surfer?
You are kidding me right?

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You are kidding me right?
Nope. Post the scans where he was stated to be an alternate reality surfer.

One-Punch
Fiendish is doing a pretty good job at trouncing abhi.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Post the scans where he was stated to be an alternate reality surfer.

"Once upon a time in ANOTHER universe..."

http://s22.postimg.org/maguyyewt/Hulk_2008_2012_010_005.jpg

It's literally stated in the first panel Surfer shows up in, in Hulk #10.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You are kidding me right?
Abhi's guide to Surfer continuity:

Does it make Surfer look good?

Yes = Non-canon, No = Canon!

Originally posted by Fiendish
You're the one that brought up the instance and the showing has Surfer resisting energy draining for a considerable amount of time.


They never stopped draining Surfer, Jude was taunting Surfer about being drained when Surfer overcame Janus and Shaara's draining, broke out of their quarantine fields and grabbed Jude's arm directing a shot from his gun into Shaara. Surfer then threw Jude into a wall, grabbed Janus and overloaded his draining equipment.


What does this have to do with Quasar being a better energy manipulator than Surfer?


Again, you brought up the instance and it's an instance where draining was ineffective against Surfer.


Then you must have missed the part where Rulk kills the Surfer he drained, that Surfer is dead, it's not Earth-616 Surfer.


It may not have been designed specifically for the Surfer but it was designed specifically for cosmic energy, that's why General Fredricks's used it against the Surfer.


It says right in your scan, it literally says 'The coalition prepared me well for this mission" and "They have armed me with weapons specifically designed with you in mind".


It required the High Evolutionary's ship, a host of draining cables and the High Evolutionary's intense concentration. You think that's casual draining?


As far as feats of overpowering energy draining go, I'd say Hulk is indeed better than Surfer.


Quasar is very adept at specifically draining opponents though, he even drained a Watcher (Otmu), on one occasion.


Strange he would specifically beg Surfer to stop then.


Based on this comment, I'm just now realizing, I was probably mistaken in presuming you were missing context, I think you know the context, you're just ignoring it and are going to continue trying to present all of these showings in support of your argument, regardless of what they actually show and regardless of anything I say. Considering that, it seems pointless to keep at this.
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The majority of Abhi's scan dump of Surfer being drained involved advanced prep/tech and element of surprise--Superman Blue has neither of those in this thread so they're irrelevant.

I'd add Surfer's fight with Mrrungo too.

Mrrungo Mu--who at the time was easily skyfather level--tried to drain Surfer and failed, and Surfer was only at half power too:
http://s13.postimg.org/rbznb4djn/ss_enslavers_62.jpghttp://s13.postimg.org/rftgrdj0z/ss_enslavers_64.jpg

Muu did this earlier:
http://s8.postimg.org/hjor4oybl/ss_enslavers_26.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/9oe7pvoox/ss_enslavers_27.jpghttp://s8.postimg.org/9po5jaqip/ss_enslavers_28.jpg

^ Namor's not even an energy being. When Muu fought half powered Surfer he had all the Marvel Heroes from Earth hooked up to his power plant channeling power to him--so he was exponentially more powerful when he fought Surfer.

Without prep and the element of surprise, Surfer's pretty good at resisting draining. He resisted Galactus recently and resisted Rogue too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for a reminder how powerful Superman was, here he absorbs ALL the power of Earth from a machine which had absorbed it all.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535346_planetenergy.jpg
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535353_planetenergy2.jpg
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535365_planetenergy3.jpg

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.

That's it? Only a planet's worth of energy?

While in the process of 3-shotting Skaar, Surfer drained and sealed away planet Saakaar's old power which Skaar was channelling, while simultaneously repairing the entire planet.
http://s27.postimg.org/45nunruxf/skaar_07_021.jpg
http://s27.postimg.org/tn697dcnn/skaar_07_022.jpg

The amount of energy Skaar was channeling was stated to be able to sate Galactus for 100,000 years, and given 1 planet feeds Big G for a month on average--we're talking about Surfer draining and sealing away hundreds of thousands of planets worth of energy here at the minimal.
http://s27.postimg.org/6bi5i9ydv/skaar_07_019.jpg

One planet's worth of energy is nothing to Surfer.

celeyhyga17
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You saved me the trouble of posting that scan.

It's downright comical some of his explanations from the scans he posted. The one vs Algos Demonstar for example, Surfer says right there in one of the panels that he's basically holding back for fear of killing him. Very next page(strangely enough was left out), Surfer handles him like a redheaded step child.

Mr Master
^^ thumb up

... Awesome presentations of truth ... Fiendish ... celeyhyga17 ... One-Punch ... putting on a clinic.

Although, we can all be certain,
that a return of intransigent dismissals, deflection and deliberate fallacies will be the retort. As usual, as always.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
Fiendish is doing a pretty good job at trouncing abhi.




Haha, what? If by "trouncing" you mean, whining about everything? Sure then.




facepalm

This is why reading the comic helps. Here is the full sequence.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558419_Hulk_2008-2012_010-001.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558421_Hulk_2008-2012_010-002.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558424_Hulk_2008-2012_010-003.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558426_Hulk_2008-2012_010-004.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558427_Hulk_2008-2012_010-005.jpg

The "another universe" is just the same as 616 universe which is being compared to Jarella's world.



Grandmaster flat out stated that all four were from different time periods.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558428_Hulk_2008-2012_010-015.jpg

Not different universes. That was the whole premise of the story.




Haha, no. But if it helps you to sleep at the night? Sure thing bro.




Yes, Surfer's skin was something he could not drain from. Its not something which stops other characters from draining Surfer though.

You're well aware that Mrrungu's power came from the plant. Not by his own. Why continue to lie?



He didn't resisted Galactus or Rogue. In first case he pretended to power down and the other was Rogue unable to drain him through his skin.




Stated to be able to sate Galactus for a thousand years? Galactus actually ate Caiera and all the old power in the planet.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hkKh2n-MH_U/Vds2NdO1ipI/AAAAAAAPCMU/SH5YWtHt_mY/s1600/11_08.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--0qUn2S4MrA/Vds2OLR_bpI/AAAAAAAPCMs/gcUKGFfHLXw/s1600/11_09.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ssGj0oGqnFg/Vds2PclAxHI/AAAAAAAPCM0/2eOEMBWLd24/s1600/11_12.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-udPr53DDdeI/Vds2PstZuZI/AAAAAAAPCM8/XkNGq0p6FFo/s1600/11_13.jpg

Hey, shouldn't Galactus never be hungry again?

Looks like Surfer doesn't know WTF he is talking about.


laughing out loud

And Old power is a corrupted form of power cosmic. Easier for Surfer to manipulate. When he actually tried that against Marduk on earth, he nearly died in the process.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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You saved me the trouble of posting that scan.

It's downright comical some of his explanations from the scans he posted. The one vs Algos Demonstar for example, Surfer says right there in one of the panels that he's basically holding back for fear of killing him. Very next page(strangely enough was left out), Surfer handles him like a redheaded step child. Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ thumb up

... Awesome presentations of truth ... Fiendish ... celeyhyga17 ... One-Punch ... putting on a clinic.

Although, we can all be certain,
that a return of intransigent dismissals, deflection and deliberate fallacies will be the retort. As usual, as always.
Ah, cheerleaders.

How amusing. But here is the scan of Surfer "resisting: Demonstar.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558479_SS_v3_039_11b.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558481_SS_v3_039_12a.jpg

Demonstar had him beaten and dead to rights but stopped to gloat and surfer seized the moment to atomize his staff.

That's somehow "Surfer treated him like nothing".

laughing out loud

Philosophía
I like how Mr Master openly trolls and attacks posters due to bitterness, but reports people when they say anything bad about him.

Poor fellow, must be hard having only Microsoft Word keeping you company.

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? If by "trouncing" you mean, whining about everything? Sure then.
No I mean he's whooping your arse pretty badly.


You can't seem to comprehend that being from a different universe and different timeline aren't mutually exclusive, and in fact often go hand-in-hand in alternate universe stories.

The Surfer in Hulk #10-12 was stated on-panel to be from a different universe and a different timeline. Hence not applicable to current Surfer. Simple.


It's a fact.


I'm pretty sure Surfer's silvery skin is standard equipment, I could be wrong though. roll eyes (sarcastic)


And where did I say otherwise? He said he gets power channeled to him, but he can absorb power from beings into himself, as shown by my scans.


Yes he did, and again with the skin thing?


And? Doesn't change anything. The energy source was so potent it made Galactus addicted and don't know what you're referring to with Marduk.

One-Punch
You don't see the irony in what you just posted?

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
MYTH

Surfer was cut into pieces and was still alive


First the evidence that the unilord saga is a What If story, here is the scene where surfer attempted to enter the unilord universe in SS v3 112

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p09.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3112p11.jpg

Now what is revealed later in SS v3 114 is that surfer failed to enter the unilord universe and its all a What If scenario

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p02.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p03.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p04.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p05.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg

That was one of the biggest MYTHS about surfer.

MYTH BUSTED

http://i.imgur.com/ODKFUI3.jpg

Your "myth-bust" completely ignores the fact that when Surfer traveled through the cosmic swell--described as a "temporal vortex" and a place where "temporal and spatial waves" crash--Surfer was split into two beings:

(1) one actually traveled into the Uni-Lord universe
(2) the other that failed to crossover and went back to the 616 Universe

You also ignored the ending of the Uni-Lord saga where Uni-Lord Surfer uses up his Uni-Lord power to re-open the cosmic well and travel back into the 616 universe where he temporally merges with 616 Surfer.

http://s1.postimg.org/ph1iaq0yz/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p16.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/5k80jyhyj/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p17.jpg http://s1.postimg.org/iruyupfmz/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p18.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/n2m28hkkr/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p22.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/6svw5l9wr/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p23.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/olhgdgr57/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_02.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/g5rvvyoa3/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/6hefsttgr/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_04.jpg

^ Notice in the 2nd scan Surfer says the cosmic swell is a "temporal vortex where past, present, and future tumble over each other" and he sees his 616 self (highlighted in green) while travelling across the cosmic well and aims to merge with him in the next panels.

Later on Surfer references how the silvery energy "bolt" hitting him changed him and broke Galactus' curse--which was to depict Zen-La as an illusion.
http://s17.postimg.org/q9zfugfhr/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_19.jpg

Anyways this explanation is more for people who haven't read the Uni-Lord Saga. Can't have them actually believing abhi's half-baked attempt at a myth-bust.

This isn't the first time abhi's been wrong about Surfer continuity. He was wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon and wrong about Surfer in the Rulk story being canon to 616 Surfer.

Philosophía
Originally posted by One-Punch
You don't see the irony in what you just posted? no. Elaborate

carver9
Poor ABHI.

Prof. T.C McAbe

Mr Master
laughing ... Trolls are on the loose again.

Mr Master
Originally posted by One-Punch

You don't see the irony in what you just posted?
A troll is like a homeless bum, after a while, they don't notice their own stink. sad

Mr Master
Originally posted by One-Punch

Your "myth-bust" completely ignores the fact that when Surfer traveled through the cosmic swell--described as a "temporal vortex" and a place where "temporal and spatial waves" crash--Surfer was split into two beings:

(1) one actually traveled into the Uni-Lord universe
(2) the other that failed to crossover and went back to the 616 Universe

You also ignored the ending of the Uni-Lord saga where Uni-Lord Surfer uses up his Uni-Lord power to re-open the cosmic well and travel back into the 616 universe where he temporally merges with 616 Surfer.

http://s1.postimg.org/ph1iaq0yz/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p16.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/5k80jyhyj/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p17.jpg http://s1.postimg.org/iruyupfmz/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p18.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/n2m28hkkr/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p22.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/6svw5l9wr/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p23.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/olhgdgr57/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_02.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/g5rvvyoa3/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/6hefsttgr/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_04.jpg

^ Notice in the 2nd scan Surfer says the cosmic swell is a "temporal vortex where past, present, and future tumble over each other" and he sees his 616 self (highlighted in green) while travelling across the cosmic well and aims to merge with him in the next panels.

Later on Surfer references how the silvery energy "bolt" hitting him changed him and broke Galactus' curse--which was to depict Zen-La as an illusion.
http://s17.postimg.org/q9zfugfhr/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_19.jpg

Anyways this explanation is more for people who haven't read the Uni-Lord Saga. Can't have them actually believing abhi's half-baked attempt at a myth-bust.

This isn't the first time abhi's been wrong about Surfer continuity. He was wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon and wrong about Surfer in the Rulk story being canon to 616 Surfer.
thumb up ...

Mr Master
Originally posted by One-Punch

This isn't the first time abhi's been wrong about Surfer continuity.

He was wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon

and wrong about Surfer in the Rulk story being canon to 616 Surfer.
yes

There's no reason at all to think the Uni-Lord event is non-canon.

It's referenced in bios as having happened to 616 Silver Surfer.

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http://www.marvunapp.com/list/dimensions2.htm

Dimension of Blackbody: SS#111 "Alien universe where the Silver Surfer had entered
and was temporarily divided into numerous sections and bartered to a variety of races".

(on panel verification - SS#114)

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/24559005_SS11.jpg

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Star Masters: (a run which literally segued from the Uni-Lord saga)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/starmasters.htm

(Silver Surfer III#121) "Following the conclusion of his battle with the Uni-Lord,
the Surfer crashed upon a planet, where he was found unconscious by Quasar and Beta Ray."

(on panel confirmation)

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/24559003_SS7.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/24559004_SS8.jpg

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The Watcher race bio: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/watchers.htm

Dark Council (Vartu) "Travelled to the Dimension of the Blackbodies ... defeated by the Silver Surfer" ...

Vartu's appearances: Silver Surfer vol.3 #112-114, 117-121

This tells us 616 Silver Surfer was located in the Dimension of Blackbodies. (Uni-Lord's universe)

Mr Master
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Silver Surfer#119, .... references occurrences within SS#111 & #112: (BEFORE entering the Breach) thumb up

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

(Silver Surfer #119)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24558969_SS3.jpg

"Soul of Oclin Uwir Prin ... the Iridian you first encountered on the other side of the universe as Outrider III"


(on panel confirmation in Silver Surfer #111)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24558976_SS9.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24558977_SS10.jpg

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There's also this ... while Surfer was in that other Universe:

... When Vartu (a Watcher) asked Surfer how did he know he was a "Watcher" ...

... Surfer recalls what 616 Uatu told 616 Surfer back in #112 before Surfer even tried entering the "Breach."

(Uni-Lord's universe)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24558967_SS1.jpg

(616 Universe) ... again, before entering the Breach.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24558968_SS2.jpg

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, cheerleaders.

How amusing. But here is the scan of Surfer "resisting: Demonstar.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558479_SS_v3_039_11b.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24558481_SS_v3_039_12a.jpg

Demonstar had him beaten and dead to rights but stopped to gloat and surfer seized the moment to atomize his staff.

That's somehow "Surfer treated him like nothing".

laughing out loud
facepalm
You are joking right?
These scans only help to support the idea that this so called draining was inconsequential. Surfer basically embarrassed the shiet out of his opponent. It's as if you have an alternate version of this book.

Had him beaten? Surfer was in never any danger. Heck your scan prior to these specifically shows Surfer holding back for fear of killing/hurting Algos.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-14.jpg.html

I mean are we looking at the same comic here?


Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Lulz.
You're probably better off laughing at Abhi's interpretations. You'll find more comedy there.
erm

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
No I mean he's whooping your arse pretty badly.


You can't seem to comprehend that being from a different universe and different timeline aren't mutually exclusive, and in fact often go hand-in-hand in alternate universe stories.

The Surfer in Hulk #10-12 was stated on-panel to be from a different universe and a different timeline. Hence not applicable to current Surfer. Simple.


It's a fact.


I'm pretty sure Surfer's silvery skin is standard equipment, I could be wrong though. roll eyes (sarcastic)


And where did I say otherwise? He said he gets power channeled to him, but he can absorb power from beings into himself, as shown by my scans.


Yes he did, and again with the skin thing?


And? Doesn't change anything. The energy source was so potent it made Galactus addicted and don't know what you're referring to with Marduk.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
http://i.imgur.com/ODKFUI3.jpg

Your "myth-bust" completely ignores the fact that when Surfer traveled through the cosmic swell--described as a "temporal vortex" and a place where "temporal and spatial waves" crash--Surfer was split into two beings:

(1) one actually traveled into the Uni-Lord universe
(2) the other that failed to crossover and went back to the 616 Universe

You also ignored the ending of the Uni-Lord saga where Uni-Lord Surfer uses up his Uni-Lord power to re-open the cosmic well and travel back into the 616 universe where he temporally merges with 616 Surfer.

http://s1.postimg.org/ph1iaq0yz/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p16.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/5k80jyhyj/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p17.jpg http://s1.postimg.org/iruyupfmz/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p18.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/n2m28hkkr/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p22.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/6svw5l9wr/Silver_Surfer_v3_121p23.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/olhgdgr57/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_02.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/g5rvvyoa3/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg http://s17.postimg.org/6hefsttgr/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_04.jpg

^ Notice in the 2nd scan Surfer says the cosmic swell is a "temporal vortex where past, present, and future tumble over each other" and he sees his 616 self (highlighted in green) while travelling across the cosmic well and aims to merge with him in the next panels.

Later on Surfer references how the silvery energy "bolt" hitting him changed him and broke Galactus' curse--which was to depict Zen-La as an illusion.
http://s17.postimg.org/q9zfugfhr/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_19.jpg

Anyways this explanation is more for people who haven't read the Uni-Lord Saga. Can't have them actually believing abhi's half-baked attempt at a myth-bust.

This isn't the first time abhi's been wrong about Surfer continuity. He was wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon and wrong about Surfer in the Rulk story being canon to 616 Surfer.

You think I haven't had this discussion with you before? Or dozens of surfer fanboys?

First thing, Surfer wasn't split into two beings. It was a what If scenario.

Second thing, it wasn't Unilord surfer who exited from the rift. It was a communication bolt which Quasar confirms.


http://s10.postimg.org/nrw2d8221/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

Wendell flat out said that the bolt which hit surfer was the same which he had encountered five weeks ago. At the start of Unilord saga. Not to mention Unilord surfer was back in his own universe which you try to show as him trying to merge with 616 surfer.


http://i.imgur.com/irMBFGL.jpg

Even Surfer says it was a silver bolt which struck him. Not that he is merged with another silver surfer.

There goes your fanfiction.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
No I mean he's whooping your arse pretty badly.


In bizarro world?

No, it's not. The Surfer was from past and had yet to meet the defenders.

Unless an alternate surfer created the defenders.

Yes, it's not like he hasn't been drained through it. Right?

You very much know that it was only through his power plant. Should I post the scans again?

No, he didn't. And classic Rogue couldn't drain energy beings with a different biology. Like Wonder Man.

So you are pretty much using a hyperbole?

SS v4 14. Read it.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm
You are joking right?
These scans only help to support the idea that this so called draining was inconsequential. Surfer basically embarrassed the shiet out of his opponent. It's as if you have an alternate version of this book.

Had him beaten? Surfer was in never any danger. Heck your scan prior to these specifically shows Surfer holding back for fear of killing/hurting Algos.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Marvel/SilverSurferv3039-14.jpg.html

I mean are we looking at the same comic here?






You're probably better off laughing at Abhi's interpretations. You'll find more comedy there.


erm laughing


Abby is the last authority on draining!!

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend

First thing, Surfer wasn't split into two beings. It was a what If scenario.
Not true. It was a split personality.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Second thing, it wasn't Unilord surfer who exited from the rift.

It was a communication bolt which Quasar confirms.

Wendell flat out said that the bolt which hit surfer

was the same which he had encountered five weeks ago.
Actually, Quasar was referring to the "distress signal" sent by "Oclin Uwir Prin." ... Not a "bolt" that k.o's heralds. smile

It wasn't a "communication bolt" of any kind ... it was like a sound, a sense, an awareness, a voice:


(Quasar)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559938_SS1.jpg

"... it's the little things that pass you by. Like that faint buzz that whizzed by head"

---------------------

(Beta Ray Bill)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559939_SS2.jpg

"I just thought I heard something. But now it is gone."

---------------------

(Silver Surfer)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559940_SS3.jpghttp://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559941_SS4.jpg

"Your signals are garbled ... I believed that yours was a distress signal."

"it is. It was."


--------------------------------------------------------

Also, in the very next page in SS#122, which you failed to post,
we notice that Surfer stood there "in a trance" allowing the silver ball to strike him down.

Then we learn that Surfer was saying one thing as he got hit: ... "1-1-1"

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559942_SS5.jpg

"... They were the binary for seven"

"1-1-1" ... is the number of the "Outrider" sent signal that reached Surfer, oh, and Quasar plus Bill too. The seventh signal sent.

But that was more like a sound ... "Quasar said he recognized a voice. Well, it reminded me of one I heard five weeks ago."

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/24559949_SS10.jpg

(full page)

"Of the ten sent, it seems that only 111, the seventh messenger succeeded."

-----------------------------------------------------------

Nothing like a silver fireball that can blast a herald unconscious.

That (coincidentally?) "silver fireball"
was obviously Surfer's split exiting Uni-Lord's dimension to merge with Surfer other split.

Which is why it's referenced in the bios. thumb up

-----------------------------------------------------------

This is also why Surfer allowed the "silver" bolt to engulf him,
why Surfer instantly began citing the number of the "Outrider" (Oclin) which contacted him, (111)
why Surfer was compelled to accept that "silver bolt" embracing him,
he subconsciously knew it had to happen to be complete.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Even Surfer says it was a silver bolt which struck him. Not that he is merged with another silver surfer.
That scan has absolutely nothing to do with "silver bolts" or Surfer even making alluded references to one.

Ambient
thumb up

Yes! Code 1-1-1 is actually designate Unilord Silver Surfer during that Starmaster scene, this happened after 616 Silver Surfer download of outrider 7.

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
In bizarro world?
No it happened in real life right here in this thread for everyone to see.


It's stated on-panel he's from a different universe and a different timeline. Not sure how you can weasel your way around that.

In that alternate Surfer's timeline Galactus decides to devour Zen-La thanks to Rulk--which obviously never happened in the 616 universe--hence it's considered a divergent timeline and
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/28028/808241-my_power.jpg


Sure he can, but it helps to have skin that helps you resist being drained by a skyfather level being who's >>>>>>> Superman Blue & Parasite combined


Again, where have I said otherwise? You can't seem to read post properly.


Yes he did. So not you're backing down from the "skin" excuse and using the "different biology" excuse? Which is it?


Nope, you're just pretty much fabricating any excuse no matter how outlandish at this point.

Read it, don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think I haven't had this discussion with you before? Or dozens of surfer fanboys?

First thing, Surfer wasn't split into two beings. It was a what If scenario.

Second thing, it wasn't Unilord surfer who exited from the rift. It was a communication bolt which Quasar confirms.

http://s10.postimg.org/nrw2d8221/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

Wendell flat out said that the bolt which hit surfer was the same which he had encountered five weeks ago. At the start of Unilord saga. Not to mention Unilord surfer was back in his own universe which you try to show as him trying to merge with 616 surfer.


http://i.imgur.com/irMBFGL.jpg

Even Surfer says it was a silver bolt which struck him. Not that he is merged with another silver surfer.

There goes your fanfiction.
No where in your scan does it say it was a "communication bolt" that hit Surfer.

Your own scan described it as a "blazing ball of SILVER fire" with the silver part bolded for emphasis. We know it's Uni-Lord Surfer because the preceding scans show him crossing the cosmic swell and aiming to merge with his counter-part in the 616 universe: http://postimg.org/image/5k80jyhyj/

That faint "communications" Quasar was talking about referred the Outrider distress signal he sensed at the very beginning of the Uni-Lord saga. Not sure how you can forget such pertinent information.

One-Punch
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not true. It was a split personality.

Actually, Quasar was referring to the "distress signal" sent by "Oclin Uwir Prin." ... Not a "bolt" that k.o's heralds. smile

It wasn't a "communication bolt" of any kind ... it was like a sound, a sense, an awareness, a voice:


(Quasar)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559938_SS1.jpg

"... it's the little things that pass you by. Like that faint buzz that whizzed by head"

---------------------

(Beta Ray Bill)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559939_SS2.jpg

"I just thought I heard something. But now it is gone."

---------------------

(Silver Surfer)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559940_SS3.jpghttp://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559941_SS4.jpg

"Your signals are garbled ... I believed that yours was a distress signal."

"it is. It was."


--------------------------------------------------------

Also, in the very next page in SS#122, which you failed to post,
we notice that Surfer stood there "in a trance" allowing the silver ball to strike him down.

Then we learn that Surfer was saying one thing as he got hit: ... "1-1-1"

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24559942_SS5.jpg

"... They were the binary for seven"

"1-1-1" ... is the number of the "Outrider" sent signal that reached Surfer, oh, and Quasar plus Bill too. The seventh signal sent.

But that was more like a sound ... "Quasar said he recognized a voice. Well, it reminded me of one I heard five weeks ago."

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/24559949_SS10.jpg

(full page)

"Of the ten sent, it seems that only 111, the seventh messenger succeeded."

-----------------------------------------------------------

Nothing like a silver fireball that can blast a herald unconscious.

That (coincidentally?) "silver fireball"
was obviously Surfer's split exiting Uni-Lord's dimension to merge with Surfer other split.

Which is why it's referenced in the bios. thumb up

-----------------------------------------------------------

This is also why Surfer allowed the "silver" bolt to engulf him,
why Surfer instantly began citing the number of the "Outrider" (Oclin) which contacted him, (111)
why Surfer was compelled to accept that "silver bolt" embracing him,
he subconsciously knew it had to happen to be complete.

That scan has absolutely nothing to do with "silver bolts" or Surfer even making alluded references to one.


Originally posted by Ambient
thumb up

Yes! Code 1-1-1 is actually designate Unilord Silver Surfer during that Starmaster scene, this happened after 616 Silver Surfer download of outrider 7.
thumb up

This pretty much sums it up.

Yup, the Outriders were symbiotic probes sent from the Uni-Lord Universe into the 616 Universe as a distress signal to find champions.

Multiple probes with different number designations were sent into 616 and narrowly missed contacting Bill and Quasar before dissipating.

The only probe to make contact successfully was Outrider 1-1-1 who merged with Uni-Lord Surfer cognitively and structurally--which lead him to cross over to the Uni-Lord universe and save it.

After saving it, Uni-Lord Surfer crosses the cosmic well back into the 616 universe (as shown by the scans) to merge with his 616 counter-part.

The fact that 616 Surfer was in a trance muttering "1-1-1" after being merged is confirmation of the merging.

Obviously abhi doesn't understand any of this because he's fully admitted that the arc was confusing for him, but he's still perfectly willing to dismiss it as non-canon just 'cause it suits his agenda.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
yes

There's no reason at all to think the Uni-Lord event is non-canon.

It's referenced in bios as having happened to 616 Silver Surfer.

Except you know, surfer himself saying he never entered the unilord universe.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg

Surfer confirms it in Spider Man team up 2 written by George Perez.

http://i.imgur.com/RGbIVH2.jpg

This is just idiotic. Surfer, Quasar and BRB were investigating the signal from the messenger.

http://s10.postimg.org/nrw2d8221/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

Marvunapp is flat out wrong here.

*Gasp*



You are an idiot if you think so. The comic beats it over the head that Surfer never entered the unilord universe.

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except you know, surfer himself saying he never entered the unilord universe.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/?action=view&current=SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg

Surfer confirms it in Spider Man team up 2 written by George Perez.

http://i.imgur.com/RGbIVH2.jpg

This is just idiotic. Surfer, Quasar and BRB were investigating the signal from the messenger.

http://s10.postimg.org/nrw2d8221/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_03.jpg

Marvunapp is flat out wrong here.

*Gasp*



You are an idiot if you think so. The comic beats it over the head that Surfer never entered the unilord universe.

Again, you're ignoring the fact that crossing the cosmic well split Surfer into two--one that entered the Uni-Lord universe, and the other that went back into the 616 universe.

The Surfer that was in Spiderman Team-Up book was the one that didn't cross over, and that book took place before the end of the Uni-Lord story arc where Uni-Lord Surfer crosses over and merges with his 616 counter-part.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Silver Surfer#119, .... references occurrences within SS#111 & #112: (BEFORE entering the Breach) thumb up

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

(Silver Surfer #119)

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t/24558969_SS3.jpg

"Soul of Oclin Uwir Prin ... the Iridian you first encountered on the other side of the universe as Outrider III"

Hey troll, unilord surfer deviated from 616 Surfer when he failed to enter the unilord universe.

Of course he had the memories from before that time.




By your logic Keeper is 616 Surfer too.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563782_Guardians_Of_The_Galaxy_24-11.jpg

Where does this idiocy ends?

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm
You are joking right?
These scans only help to support the idea that this so called draining was inconsequential. Surfer basically embarrassed the shiet out of his opponent. It's as if you have an alternate version of this book.

When the enermy stopped to gloat over him.



Yes, had him beaten. And all of his powers were in the staff. He had no durability on his own.


Yes. You are just whining though.

Your and Master's favorite site says so too.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563817_Demonstar.jpg

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix6/algol_demonstar.htm

Whine some more.



Cry more.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
When the enermy stopped to gloat over him.

Yes, had him beaten. And all of his powers were in the staff. He had no durability on his own.

Yes. You are just whining though.

Your and Master's favorite site says so too.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563817_Demonstar.jpg

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix6/algol_demonstar.htm

Whine some more.

Cry more.
laughing out loud

Really my favorite site? I guess you'll have to pint out when I've used it(which is never). Funny because you actually used this site more than once in a few of your past arguments. I've already told you in the past that the site is unofficial and can only be used as a supplement to what's on panel from the comic itself.

Now tell me how it invalidates the part where Surfer was specifically holding back and proceeded to own Algol Demonstar like a read headed stepchild. Remember this was about Surfer being drained. I guess to you Surfer casually dominating his opponent when no longer holding back is a loss?

erm

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not true. It was a split personality.

What a complete moronic thing to say. It was made clear that Surfer never entered the unilord universe.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p06.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p07.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p08.jpg

And it was explicitly a What If scenario on the very next page.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3114p09.jpg



What utter nonsense. Quasar flat out tells that the silver bolt which struck him was similar to what he encountered five weeks ago.

Surfer called it a communication bolt. Surfer was muttering the binary code.

It was never stated to be Unilord surfer who stayed back in his own universe at the end of Unilord saga.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
No it happened in real life right here in this thread for everyone to see.

Must be bizarro world then. Because here he ran away.




No, its stated that it was a different universe compared to Jarella's world.

Grandmaster explicitly stated that they are from different years and had to meet the others.



He is threatening to destroy Zenn La. Not actually destroyed it. Surfer was returned to life and Galactus never destroyed Zenn La.




A pathetic energy absorber who was unable to do what herald level beings can do?

Yeah, right?




You are the one saying he absorbed Hulk and Namor into his body.




No, he did not.

Its both.




Haha, what?



Of course it does. Quasar flat out says so.



Here is the full sequence.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563868_SS_v3_121_13a.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563869_SS_v3_121_14a.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563870_SS_v3_121_15a.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563872_SS_v3_121_16a.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563874_SS_v3_121_16b.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563877_SS_v3_121_16b.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563878_SS_v3_121_17a.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563879_SS_v3_121_17b.jpg

He was back into his same universe,

Not merged with 616 Surfer.

But context doesn't matters for you. of course.


And he sensed that the "silver ball" was similar. So not silver surfer.

And I'm not seeing how even IF Unilord Surfer merged with 616 Surfer, it somehow makes him capable of doing what he did while merged with blackbodies.

Which unilord surfer dissipated after defeating Unilord. 616 Hulk merged with Heroes Reborn Hulk.Supergirl merged with her own evil counterpart. Donna Troy merged with her infinite counterparts.

Nobody says they are several times more powerful than before, do they?

abhilegend
Originally posted by One-Punch
Again, you're ignoring the fact that crossing the cosmic well split Surfer into two--one that entered the Uni-Lord universe, and the other that went back into the 616 universe.

The Surfer that was in Spiderman Team-Up book was the one that didn't cross over, and that book took place before the end of the Uni-Lord story arc where Uni-Lord Surfer crosses over and merges with his 616 counter-part.

Oh really? Here I thought he was just a split personality as the great master is claiming.

How is he back in his own universe if he merged with 616 surfer?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563872/SS_v3_121_16a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563874/SS_v3_121_16b.jpg.html

*Gasp*

Philosophía
edit.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
laughing out loud

Really my favorite site? I guess you'll have to pint out when I've used it(which is never). Funny because you actually used this site more than once in a few of your past arguments. I've already told you in the past that the site is unofficial and can only be used as a supplement to what's on panel from the comic itself.


I pretty much uses it to mock master.

And how does it invalidates Surfer being drained and on Demonstar's mercy while he lost due to gloating?

It's like someone breaking Harry Potter's wand after he downs you and beating him while he is talking.

Demonstar had no power on his own. Neither does the staff had a particular durability when not being used. Surfer atomizing it or thinking "I can't beat him without killing him" doesn't invalidated that he got drained.

Again.

Philosophía
I hope this thread doesn't get swept under the rug, because Surfer fanboys are getting plowed without vaseline smile

I'd like for the mods to spice it up a bit, and allow temp-bans based battlezones, where the loser would get banned for a week.

Would really make these debates more engaging and people would stop spouting so much bullshit.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Mr Master

... Awesome presentations of truth ... Fiendish ... celeyhyga17 ... One-Punch ... putting on a clinic.

Although, we can all be certain,

that a return of intransigent dismissals, deflection and deliberate fallacies will be the retort.

As usual, as always.
I called it. ...

... peace and love friends. ... stoned

abhilegend
laughing out loud

Cheerleading each other? Where are your pom-poms master?

Are you crying now after losing to me?

Again?

*split personality*

hysterical

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
I pretty much uses it to mock master.
thumb up
Nice of you to admit being wrong. Shows growth on your part.

Originally posted by abhilegend

And how does it invalidates Surfer being drained and on Demonstar's mercy while he lost due to gloating?

It's like someone breaking Harry Potter's wand after he downs you and beating him while he is talking.

Demonstar had no power on his own. Neither does the staff had a particular durability when not being used. Surfer atomizing it or thinking "I can't beat him without killing him" doesn't invalidated that he got drained.

Again.
Again... I really don't feel like holding your hand through everything. On panel we see Surfer holding back for fear of hurting his opponent. When no longer holding back, he proceeded to embarrass Algol. It's very simple. It really is.

What you tried to do was pass this off as an example of Surfer losing to his opponent from being drained. When in reality not only was he never in any real danger, this so called "draining" was flat out inconsequential.

What's worse is you completely failed to mention that he was holding back and for some reason can't see the logic in him doing so, which really affects the context of what you are trying to sell.

And to further divert the attention from the crux of the matter, you are now relegated to using smokescreens. I mean really? You are bringing the durability of the staff and attaching a particular stipulation? In this case "when not being used"? Wtf! You continue to surprise me.

Also lol at the train wreck of an interpretation on alternate Surfer...

facepalm

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh really? Here I thought he was just a split personality as the great master is claiming.

How is he back in his own universe if he merged with 616 surfer?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563872/SS_v3_121_16a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563874/SS_v3_121_16b.jpg.html

*Gasp*

Abhi roll eyes (sarcastic) ! Because that scan you posted took place prior to Unilord Surfer exit the rift and why it was narrated at the end of it, "A story yet to be told". Your not taking full context of the whole Unilord arc. The story didn't just stop right at the scan you posted - its like me saying Superman died after his fight with Doomsday and never came back by posting this scan right here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Deathofsuperman.jpg - which we all know is wrong. The Unilord arc ended when that streak of silver light came out of the rift into 616 Universe.

carver9
Good to see ambient back.

Ambient
Been around for a while Carver. Been reading mid-herald tourney, Solid picks by the way.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
Abhi roll eyes (sarcastic) ! Because that scan you posted took place prior to Unilord Surfer exit the rift and why it was narrated at the end of it, "A story yet to be told". Your not taking full context of the whole Unilord arc. The story didn't just stop right at the scan you posted - its like me saying Superman died after his fight with Doomsday and never came back by posting this scan right here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Deathofsuperman.jpg - which we all know is wrong. The Unilord arc ended when that streak of silver light came out of the rift into 616 Universe.
Haha, what? "Story yet to be told" was about surfer staying in his own universe and watching it grow.

Surfer never exited Unilord universe. That's a fact.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
thumb up
Nice of you to admit being wrong. Shows growth on your part.


Again... I really don't feel like holding your hand through everything. On panel we see Surfer holding back for fear of hurting his opponent. When no longer holding back, he proceeded to embarrass Algol. It's very simple. It really is.

What you tried to do was pass this off as an example of Surfer losing to his opponent from being drained. When in reality not only was he never in any real danger, this so called "draining" was flat out inconsequential.

What's worse is you completely failed to mention that he was holding back and for some reason can't see the logic in him doing so, which really affects the context of what you are trying to sell.

And to further divert the attention from the crux of the matter, you are now relegated to using smokescreens. I mean really? You are bringing the durability of the staff and attaching a particular stipulation? In this case "when not being used"? Wtf! You continue to surprise me.

Also lol at the train wreck of an interpretation on alternate Surfer...

facepalm
Whining more?

Good. When you can erase the actual evidence from the comic by your tears, let me know.

Until then? Demonstar drained surfer and had him beaten until he started to gloat.

Cry more.

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? "Story yet to be told" was about surfer staying in his own universe and watching it grow.

Surfer never exited Unilord universe. That's a fact.
And then he exited the rift as shown/ depicted in comics - also facts evident in 616 Surfer being hit by the blazing silver commit and muttering 1-1-1 designate Unilord Silver Surfer.

Nice try abhi - your another com. sat not withstanding as there was only 7 made and only one made it through, also Quasar could not detect any binary code on this one + during this late stage in the arc the Unilord Universe was already destroyed.

You not understanding the story is fact.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Whining more?

Good. When you can erase the actual evidence from the comic by your tears, let me know.

Until then? Demonstar drained surfer and had him beaten until he started to gloat.

Cry more.
thumb up
Concession accepted.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
thumb up
Concession accepted.
Haha, this is pure gold.

Whatever you say quanchi.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
And then he exited the rift as shown/ depicted in comics - also facts evident in 616 Surfer being hit by the blazing silver commit and muttering 1-1-1 designate Unilord Silver Surfer.

No, he did not. That's not silver surfer. Just an outrider,



And Quasar made it clear that the signal wasn't surfer. It was an outrider.

And Unilord universe wasn't destroyed.



You're not comprehending the story at all. 616 Surfer gained nothing after that "merger" except Galactus' illusion. Not that even merging with unilord surfer somehow makes it canon for 616 Surfer.

Supergirl merged with her own dark self.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566037_onlyone.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566038_onlyone2.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566039_onlyone3.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566040_onlyone4.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566041_onlyone5.jpg


Donna Troy was merged with her own alternate timelines selves.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566042_ww1362truth3hq.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566043_ww1363truth6ga.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566044_ww1364truth0td.jpg

Hulk had merged with Heroes Reborn hulk in the form of Bruce Banner.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566057_HRR_04_037.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566058_HRR_04_038.jpg

If I want I can find other examples like this as well. Does this mean Supergirl , Donna and Hulk are twice as strong?

Or Heroes Reborn is canon for 616 Hulk even though he never did any of those actions? Nope.

This strawman and desperation for a feat which is only possible as

1. Surfer was merged with blackbodies
2. Unilord was weakened
3. Surfer had released all of his power and blackbodies in the multiverse.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563870/SS_v3_121_15a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563872/SS_v3_121_16a.jpg.html

I mean this is just staggering amount of lies, strawman and scan manipulation. And for what? A feat which surfer did while amped?

Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
laughing his first post and he already proves abhi to be a giant liar and owns him at the same time? This kid deserves a medal.
Didn't see this.

Are you all really this insecure to cheerlead anybody who goes against me?

laughing out loud

abhilegend
Just for comparison, Surfer nearly died repairing just the crust of the earth after it was broken by his ship.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566120_SS_v4_013_07a.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566121_SS_v4_013_14a.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566122_SS_v4_013_15a.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566123_SS_v4_013_15b.jpg

And has failed to even come close to do that on another occasion.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566139_Avengers266-12.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566140_Avengers266-13.jpg

And that was even when Molecule Man was holding the earth together.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566141_Avengers266-22.jpg

abhilegend
Superman on the other hand? At full power he absorbed and channeled all the power on Earth after it was absorbed by a machine and restored the Earth completely.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535346_planetenergy.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535353_planetenergy2.jpg

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16535365/planetenergy3.jpg.html

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.

Destroyed the eternal flame which was the whole life force of earth keeping it together.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566124_ManOfSteel79p15.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566125_ManOfSteel79p16.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566126_ManOfSteel79p23.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24566127_ManOfSteel79p24.jpg

And it was made clear that even together they were less powerful than original Superman.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24566128/Superman_v2_135_-_18.jpg.html

And Superman Blue himself heals entire earth. Superman Red closes the leylines faster than even Flash can see BTW.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566129_Superman_v2_135_-_19.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566130_Superman_v2_135_-_20.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566131_Superman_v2_135_-_21.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24566132_Superman_v2_135_-_22.jpg

And all these feats within one and a half years? Beastly average.

abhilegend
But even these feats pale to this. Superman overcomes a magical device which had entrapped the souls of entire Metropolis and return every soul to their own bodies.

http://i.imgur.com/FYzkdrc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MvPz4kU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

Perhaps *THE* energy manipulation feat against magic and soul manipulation among heralds.

Damn.

Zack M
Sweet.

Rao Kal El
thumb up

abhilegend
But even these feats pale to this. Superman overcomes a magical device which had entrapped the souls of entire Metropolis and return every soul to their own bodies.

http://i.imgur.com/FYzkdrc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MvPz4kU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

Perhaps *THE* energy manipulation feat against magic and soul manipulation among heralds.

Damn.

Edit: it was the souls of whole world.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24568207_042.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24568208_043.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24568209_051.jpg

And it was actually made clear that Superman was still vulnerable to magic.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24568210_053.jpg

nuts

panthergod
Where are the Surfer fanboys? Bueller?

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he did not. That's not silver surfer. Just an outrider.
Wrong again Abhi! Those com. sat (outriders) are miniatures and def. not normally visible, totally unlike the silver comet that struct 616 Silver Surfer.

Heimdal could'nt even see it approaching him.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/th_SS_v3_111_03a.jpg

The same with Quasar.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/th_SS_v3_111_04a.jpg

Yet the Silver comet that struct 616 Surfer was not only quit visible and large but easy enough to dodge.

http://s6d7.turboimagehost.com/t/24559003_SS7.jpg

http://s6d7.turboimagehost.com/t/24559004_SS8.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Surfer/th_SS_v3_122_03b.jpg

Again it is not an outrider that came out from that rift at the end of the Unilord arc as explained above but rather the Unilord Silver Surfer. Why? Because, he was the only person shown in the whole entire Unilord story to ever enter the rift from the Unilord Universe and + his designate 1-1-1 code was mentioned trance like by 616 Silver Surfer before and after being struct.


He said it was the binary of 7 (outrider 7 - code # 1-1-1 which is the designate of Unilord Silver Surfer).

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/RRoldz/Surfer/th_SS_v3_122_03b.jpg

Again! Unilord Silver Surfer came out of the rift.


laughing

Hilarious! Ironic this coming from you.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
Wrong again Abhi! Those com. sat (outriders) are miniatures and def. not normally visible, totally unlike the silver comet that struct 616 Silver Surfer.

Heimdal could'nt even see it approaching him.



The same with Quasar.


Yet the Silver comet that struct 616 Surfer was not only quit visible and large but easy enough to dodge.



So you're just taking it up by art now, eh?

How amusing.



That would be true if the Outrider 7 was in the mind of Surfer. As seen in SS 115, surfer expelled it from his mind.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24585722_SS_v3_115_08b.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24585723_SS_v3_115_09a.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24585724_SS_v3_115_10a.jpg

And it was finally the part of Uni-lord.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24585725_SS_v3_119_08b.jpg

And as seen later, Surfer expelled all the souls in the cosmic swell.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24563872_SS_v3_121_16a.jpg

It would actually make sense for Outrider to seek out Surfer once again actually after he was released again in the cosmic swell.



That would imply Outrider 7 was actually part of Unilord surfer after issue 115. He wasn't.



Your final lie, eh?




You still did not answer the question. Even if I believe unilord surfer merged with 616 Surfer, how does it makes Unilord saga canon for him?

Ambient
Yes! Very amusing, specially since I've given reasonable explanation to my interpretation on that scene back with evidence not only in art but written words as well supported on panel. I wonder if your actually reading someone else repertoire and then quoting mine base on your reply.

Come to think of if AMUSING is the wrong word, WTF&@k - is more like it.

JK Abhi.

What does Oclin soul have to do with the outrider tech? He is but the deliverer of message, him dying does not undo the merging. Supported in that Quasar was still able to detect Unilord Surfer (outrider 7) after coming out of the rift.


Well it is, it says so on your scan. Ask Quasar?

Props for trying Abhi!


Here I thought you were joking, your actually serious ???

Well the answer is ......


It's self explanatory.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Ambient

Wrong again Abhi! Those com. sat (outriders) are miniatures and def. not normally visible, totally unlike the silver comet that struct 616 Silver Surfer.

Heimdal could'nt even see it approaching him.

The same with Quasar.

Yet the Silver comet that struct 616 Surfer was not only quit visible and large but easy enough to dodge.

Again it is not an outrider that came out from that rift at the end of the Unilord arc as explained above but rather the Unilord Silver Surfer. Why? Because, he was the only person shown in the whole entire Unilord story to ever enter the rift from the Unilord Universe and + his designate 1-1-1 code was mentioned trance like by 616 Silver Surfer before and after being struct.


He said it was the binary of 7 (outrider 7 - code # 1-1-1 which is the designate of Unilord Silver Surfer).

Again! Unilord Silver Surfer came out of the rift.

Hilarious! Ironic this coming from you.
Nice work hammering down and elaborating on the on panel, bio corroborated facts established.
The evidence is clear and insurmountable, yet, intransigence incessantly rejects it.

Happy Thanksgiving friends. stoned

carver9
Glad it's finally clear that the Unilord saga is canon. Good job everyone.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Glad it's finally clear that the Unilord saga is not canon. Good job everyone.

carver9
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Prof. T.C McAbe
thumb down

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
Yes! Very amusing, specially since I've given reasonable explanation to my interpretation on that scene back with evidence not only in art but written words as well supported on panel. I wonder if your actually reading someone else repertoire and then quoting mine base on your reply.


And where is the word supporting any of the baseless claims you're spouting? Give me one, a single confirmation that it was surfer.

How droll.

Because he was totally merged with Surfer. And yes, it does. 616 surfer forgot everything about the outrider message after he failed to enter the rift.

Quasar just detected outrider. No surfer.

That it was an outrider?

So nothing? Unilord surfer didn't do anything on his own, he was amped on the souls in the blackbody. Before entering the swell, he released all the souls.

So I ask again, how is it canon to 616 surfer again? Seems like you're avoiding the question.

I wonder why?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice work hammering down and elaborating on the on panel, bio corroborated facts established.
The evidence is clear and insurmountable, yet, intransigence incessantly rejects it.

Happy Thanksgiving friends. stoned
baka

Trolls will be Trolls.

Ambient
Originally posted by abhilegend
And where is the word supporting any of the baseless claims you're spouting? Give me one, a single confirmation that it was surfer.

How droll.

Because he was totally merged with Surfer. And yes, it does. 616 surfer forgot everything about the outrider message after he failed to enter the rift.

Quasar just detected outrider. No surfer.

That it was an outrider?
Hmm! oh I get.. I think I know why we're not on the same page? Your actually reading a fan fic version made/ written on this arc for reason too obvious. It make sense, I mean outrider 7, a com. sat tech - made to deliver a distress message is now actually a soul of Oclin the pilot. Alright, I think I can follow but one tiny little thing you've slightly ignored to account, in that at the page where Unilord Surfer crosses the rift, there was no mention of him releasing all the soul energy he absorbs from the Unilord, which was supported by Quasar's statement detecting Oclin soul - outrider 7 coming out of the rift therefore, who came out of the rift is non other than Unilord Surfer, since within him is Oclin's soul energy - a fanfic or the actual arc it's all the same Unilord Surfer made it through the rift.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Before entering the swell, he released all the souls.

So I ask again, how is it canon to 616 surfer again? Seems like you're avoiding the question.

I wonder why?

Can you point me where it stated that he release all the souls he absorbs from the Unilord?

Put two and two together Abhi and you'll get your answer.

Very simple really.

One-Punch
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just for a reminder how powerful Superman was, here he absorbs ALL the power of Earth from a machine which had absorbed it all.

Energy Superman absorbs the energy of whole planet from a machine which was going to destroy it and channels it back to the planet.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535346_planetenergy.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535353_planetenergy2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16535365_planetenergy3.jpg

Not only he resisted getting absorbed by it, he drained the machine dry and returned all the power to Earth. Beastly showing of energy manipulation.
I went back to fact-check.

Where is it stated that Superman "absorbs and channels" those energies back into Earth? Your scans only show Superman destroying the machine from the inside out.

Give me a direct quote and page number.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But even these feats pale to this. Superman overcomes a magical device which had entrapped the souls of entire Metropolis and return every soul to their own bodies.

http://i.imgur.com/FYzkdrc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MvPz4kU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QY2wmco.jpg

Perhaps *THE* energy manipulation feat against magic and soul manipulation among heralds.

Damn.

Edit: it was the souls of whole world.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568207/042.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568208/043.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568209/051.jpg.html

And it was actually made clear that Superman was still vulnerable to magic.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24568210/053.jpg.html

nuts

You forgot the part where Superman gets his energy disrupted and completely owned by the Wailing rod. smile

http://s14.postimg.org/sou0zictt/P00043.jpg


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Superman has decent energy draining resistance, but he's hardly immune to it:

Gets drained by Parasite from behind.
http://s14.postimg.org/owaijrxbl/P00112.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/z8wt5uqup/P00113.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/w4m592a29/P00115.jpg

Gets his energy siphoned (and disrupted) by Kandorian police tazers.
http://s11.postimg.org/rfng43kcz/P00022.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/kaizp6169/P00026.jpg

Gets his energy drained by a Millennial Guard.
http://s14.postimg.org/50ej48ga9/P00022.jpg

And again...
http://s14.postimg.org/yi4302ohd/P00033.jpg

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On the other hand, Superman Blue had an abysmal track record against energy disruption.

Get's one-shot by an ion canon which completely disrupts his power. Needs to turn-off his powers to function:
http://s1.postimg.org/dg6yb8ixb/P00122.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/c2jwto91r/P00123.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/i4rjk5xhr/P00132.jpg

Gets his power completely disrupted by a random Parademon. Gets saved by Lex.
http://s27.postimg.org/vym1j84wj/P00272.jpg

Nearly gets taken down by a single stab from Dr. Noah Brazil's sword. Needed to buy time to recover and sneak attack Noah.
http://s21.postimg.org/eh7vb5mmv/P00155.jpg

Nearly gets his energy form dispersed trying to pass through a portal. Required a lot of effort to pull himself together.
http://s4.postimg.org/jkmgw4oml/P00014.jpg

Again, Kandorian "tazors" disrupt Superman making him helpless. Gets saved.
http://s14.postimg.org/kaizp6169/P00026.jpg

A single touch from Output disables Superman--enough to get captured.
http://s12.postimg.org/937alu8hp/P00028.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/mle6y4kn1/P00029.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/ry31c98jh/P00030.jpg

And my personal favourites...

A Kandorian Peacekeeper warping Superman's energy form into a pokeball. Has to be rescued later on.
http://s3.postimg.org/3wmnb8awj/P00036a.jpg

Toyman using his toy gun to warp and trap Superman's energy form into his toy gun.
http://s3.postimg.org/5n12yz31v/P00057.jpg
http://s3.postimg.org/fque8v96b/P00058.jpg

"Ironic. I've battled the alien from one corner of the universe to another--only to see him imprisoned in a child's toy." -Cyborn Superman.

laughing out loud

Given that Surfer is a greater energy manipulator than the majority of the above, energy disruption should be an easy route for Surfer--who's one-shot Vision, Wonder Man, and Jack of Hearts casually via energy disruption, and disrupted and disabled all of Earth's machinery & communication easily.

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And just because Superman can drain Parasite doesn't mean he could drain Surfer.

Superman's containment suit has a limit to how much it can contain before detonating.

Here Superman gets overwhelmed absorbing radiation from a nuclear reactor and explodes. In fact this amount of energy caused him quote... "pain beyond imagining."
http://s18.postimg.org/d5jwg5aih/P00151.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/nqypv1aih/P00152.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/hdeoowby1/P00153.jpg

Later Supes needs help from Booster to re-form and confirms that nuclear energy was too much energy for his suit to contain.
http://s18.postimg.org/y3q2e8ad5/P00159.jpg

While trying to seal another nuclear reactor, Pierce says Superman can only absorb so much radiation before he detonates.
http://s23.postimg.org/f4seyt04r/P00235.jpg

Superman confirms it.
http://s23.postimg.org/9fc6ehtyj/P00236.jpg

So how much nuclear energy was in that reactor? Only enough energy to blow up a chunk of the "east coast" which is nothing compared to the energy Surfer packs.
http://postimg.org/image/lsp0lejmv/

If anything Superman's containment suit would be overloaded trying to drain Surfer, who's energy capacity is far greater than anything and anyone Superman Blue has drained. Surfer who has enough energy to casually destroy and incinerate planets, who has released billions of terra-watts of power for half an hour straight, who's energy discharges create black holes, who can power the Impericon, who had near-infinite power detected inside him by Warrior One, the guy who has the power of a star inside him--e.g., Quasar drained the energy of a small star from Surfer and threw it back at him, and it barely phased Surfer.

Blue Area Vet
All it takes is one punch.

tkitna
Nah, Surfer would probably have to punch him a couple times.

One-Punch
Originally posted by panthergod
Where are the Surfer fanboys? Bueller?
This one's for you Panther. smile

Superman Blue being one-shot KO'd by Locksmith's tiny robot.

http://s12.postimg.org/g94k4s4u1/P00051.jpg http://s12.postimg.org/4y1wgexyx/P00052.jpg

Consider it an early Christmas gift.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by One-Punch
This one's for you Panther. smile

Superman Blue being one-shot KO'd by Locksmith's tiny robot.

http://s12.postimg.org/g94k4s4u1/P00051.jpg http://s12.postimg.org/4y1wgexyx/P00052.jpg

Consider it an early Christmas gift.

laughing laughing out loud rolling on floor laughing

Back to the lying board, Abby. eek!

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
Hmm! oh I get.. I think I know why we're not on the same page? Your actually reading a fan fic version made/ written on this arc for reason too obvious.

I'm reading a fanfic?

crylaugh

No, no, once again.

http://rs39.pbsrc.com/albums/e179/dgembadgemba/Gifs/Davidlaughing.gif~c200



Yes, that's clearly stated in SS 112. He totally merged with Surfer.





Once again.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563870/SS_v3_121_15a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24563872/SS_v3_121_16a.jpg.html

Why are you avoiding the question? Scared?

abhilegend
Haha, oh surfer rescue squad is here.

http://www.abload.de/img/11514-animated_gifchat8etf.gif

Originally posted by One-Punch
I went back to fact-check.

Where is it stated that Superman "absorbs and channels" those energies back into Earth? Your scans only show Superman destroying the machine from the inside out.

You mean you can't even read?

The issue number is in the link. The machine had absorbed all the power from the Earth. It was channeled back by Superman and once it does the narration specifically says how rain starts again.





Yes, magic and sucker attack.

I assume Surfer has both here.






From behind with a surprise attack? Ronan once oneshotted Surfer from behind too.

He is more powerful than surfer, right?

As far as Parasite goes, Superman owned him like nothing when he was prepared.



At a time when Superman was entirely new with his powers and hadn't even learn to fly as Tolos flat out stated in MOS 69?

Surely you jest.

One issue later, the same disruptors.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24592991_Week26-1997-SupesMOS-69-05.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24592992_Week26-1997-SupesMOS-69-06.jpg

BTW, Kandorian tasers have subdued heralds consistently. Like Cyborg Superman



Yes, getting drained by above herald level beings with magical attacks is a low showing.

Yup.



That would work for Surfer if he knows how to disrupt energy of a superior energy manipulator.



Both times total surprise attacks.



Again a surprise attack. And that's not disruption. Superman was caught unaware by an attack which affects the soul.



Magic.



Once again, a surprise attack and it was due to Superman's powers merging with her and a dimensional feedback.

Later, he manipulated the whole dimension of "movement".

But yeah, some serious surprise attacks there.

You almost feel my pity at this point.



Yes, Inexperienced Superman who couldn't even fly at that point.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24592993_Week26-1997-SupesMOS-69-21.jpg



Only after his containment suit was destroyed by Cyborg Superman.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593007/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage30.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593008/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage31.jpg.html

And it was a tractor beam which pulled Superman's energy form in.

Now, you see why disrupting Superman's energy is a bad idea.



And even if he is able to do so to a superior energy manipulator, it will just cause Superman to divide into two beings.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593009/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage39.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593010/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage40.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593011/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage41.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593012/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage42.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593013/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage43.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593014/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage44.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24593015/SupermanRedSupermanBluePage45.jpg.html

Only thing Surfer would accomplish is getting his ass whooped by a tag team.



Of course he can. Parasite will drain Surfer dry in like seconds.



Just

Later Supes needs help from Booster to re-form and confirms that nuclear energy was too much energy for his suit to contain.
http://s18.postimg.org/y3q2e8ad5/P00159.jpg

Yes, at the very start of his new powers.



Or expelling the energy. Superman was forced to stay there.

Here he can drain and expel that energy freely.



Don't be silly. We know Surfer can't even destroy a forest with his all out attacks before exhausting himself.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24593078_Spider-Man_Team-Up_02-24.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24593080_Spider-Man_Team-Up_02-25.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24593081_Spider-Man_Team-Up_02-26.jpg

Or exhausts himself destroying a space ship.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24593128_SS_v3_032_06a.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24593129_SS_v3_032_06b.jpg

And "east cost destroying" space ship was beyond even his scope to destroy.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-32.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-33.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-34.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-35.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/GalactusTheDevourer1-36.jpg

Alicia Masters even feared he was dead.

abhilegend
Yeah and who has been drained like a ***** for what, twenty times now?

Maybe if you give him surprise, a magical blade and tasers he could a single win out of ten.

Maybe.

And just "near infinite" power? Tolos claimed Superman had beyond infinite potential.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supsbad2.jpg

Superman wrestles and stalemates with the general of God's army, the king of bull host of Pax Dei.

http://i.imgur.com/4CzQkQC.jpg

Generated enough power to stop Moon falling towards earth while it was being forced by Abengazar, a hell lord.

http://imgur.com/a/yQ1sq

Enough power to destroy Worloggog itself.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24593459_JLA_015_pg22.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24593465_JLA_015_pg23.jpg

Originally posted by One-Punch
This one's for you Panther. smile

Superman Blue being one-shot KO'd by Locksmith's tiny robot.

http://s12.postimg.org/g94k4s4u1/P00051.jpg http://s12.postimg.org/4y1wgexyx/P00052.jpg

Consider it an early Christmas gift.
That's Deathtrap and he has apokoliptican tech.

And a surprise attack again.

Its not like Surfer fares any better against lasers.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24593394_SS_v3_015_17a.jpg

But yeah, if I want to just use "low showings" of Superman against high showings of surfer, he might get a few wins.

Your butthurt is hilarious though.Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
All it takes is one punch. Originally posted by tkitna
Nah, Surfer would probably have to punch him a couple times. Originally posted by Blue Area Vet


Back to the lying board, Abby.
Cue the cheerleaders.

Nice pom-poms too.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
All it takes is one punch.
Yes.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/elec9.jpg

Just one punch.

abhilegend
And its not like Surfer hasn't been "disrupted" before. A synapse disruptor oneshotted him.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24596131_SF9-16.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24596132_SF9-17.jpg

And unlike Surfer, Superman is skilled enough to control neural network of beings.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24596135_53.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24596136_54.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/24596137_55.jpg

One attack and Surfer goes down.

thumb up

Genii96
Well this has been quite interesting

Fiendish
Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about now?
Its clear you know the context of the showings you presented, you just ignored it.

For instance you posted this.

You've posted scans of the pages just before and just after this page.

i.imgur.com/zHgmRQs.jpg

So you know very well they weren't fighting amongst themselves. It happened just as I explained here.

Since you know the context and will ignore it when it suits you, it's obviously pointless to continue trying to discuss the context with you.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/elec9.jpg

Just one punch.

That has nothing to do with draining. Do you ever stop jerking off to Superman?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That has nothing to do with draining. Do you ever stop jerking off to Superman?
erm

Dude, shut up if you can't take your own joke.

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