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I think this could be a good match up, at least for a few panels maybe? Anyway, I'm interested to see why people think who beats who.

No "prep" for either of them, but they are knowledgeable of one another in something more than your average encounter. Lets say this Morningstar has a plan to influence all of continuity beyond his limitations, and has to go through Cytorrak to do it. Can he pull this off?

No.

Lucy wins.

This

Is spite.

Originally posted by Cogito
This

Is spite.

Why is it spite?

Superior feats?

Higher power ranking?

both.

Originally posted by Cogito
This

Is spite.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Why is it spite?

Superior feats?

Higher power ranking?

Lucy is multiversal. I think Cytorrak is only universal at best.

Honestly, I wouldn't put Cytorrak over people like a high end Odin, Mordru, Nabu, let alone the likes of Lucifer. I'd love to see this fight though for the lulz.

Didn't Cytorrak capture Galactus or something like that, though? Judging from the battle Galactus had with Odin, he'd have to be strong in order to do that.

lucy rivals living tribunal

cytorrak is hype

not a fair match for em

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Didn't Cytorrak capture Galactus or something like that, though? Judging from the battle Galactus had with Odin, he'd have to be strong in order to do that.
galactus and his ship got caught up in cyttoraks crimson bands and it prevented them from escaping.
then he sent his herald to investigate there source, where cyttorak told him he doesnt give a **** about what goes on outside his universe

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Honestly, I wouldn't put Cytorrak over people like a high end Odin, Mordru, Nabu, let alone the likes of Lucifer. I'd love to see this fight though for the lulz. he isnt on par with luci, but brevoort said in terms of power cyttorak is above zom and shuma gorath

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he isnt on par with luci, but brevoort said in terms of power cyttorak is above zom and shuma gorath No he didn't

yes he did, it was asked on his forum spring. you will have to dig back some but its there

Never happened

stfu

lmao

Not until you stop lying

Doesn't even the LT use Cytorraks power on occasion?

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Doesn't even the LT use Cytorraks power on occasion? Cytorakk is too low of an entity for LT to find any use of

Wasn't there a scan where Cytorrak says something along the lines of "heaven, hell...it's all the same thing. it's all my power?"

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Wasn't there a scan where Cytorrak says something along the lines of "heaven, hell...it's all the same thing. it's all my power?" That just sounds like he's wanking himself

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Wasn't there a scan where Cytorrak says something along the lines of "heaven, hell...it's all the same thing. it's all my power?" Why did he question himself there?

my bad. Minus the question mark, then.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Cytorakk is too low of an entity for LT to find any use of

But he did though. He invoked them against Dr. Strange. This was after the Zom incident so it's like 40+ years old. But he did invoke Cyttorak's name and bands in an attack against Strange.

Originally posted by zopzop
But he did though. He invoked them against Dr. Strange. This was after the Zom incident so it's like 40+ years old. But he did invoke Cyttorak's name and bands in an attack against Strange. Without going to go look at that, it was the Rings of Raggador

And I'll mantain that stance until someone shows me the panels

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Without going to go look at that, it was the Rings of Raggador

And I'll mantain that stance until someone shows me the panels

Yup, you were right.
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5198/livingtri25ne.th.jpg

The color of the bands threw me off.

Okay. Got me there.

Hmm...

All I can come up with for Cytorraks side is that he is the strongest Octessence.

Cytorrak got owned by Juggernaut in his own realm.

Then Juggernaut owned himself because without Cytorrak he's powerless.

Funny shit if you ask me.

I think I may be looking at this entirely wrong if some of you think that this is spite in favor of Luci. I'll tell you my perspective:

If good and evil are both the same to Cytorrak...I take that as all of heaven and hell are nothing to him. That should include characters like Zadkiel, Mephisto, and even Lucifer Morningstar regardless if he shaped a universe.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but I think Cytorrak is also more powerful than LT, however Cytorrak is not vulnerable from the judgement that would keep him in his place, therefore ultimately he is below.

it just means he doesn't CARE, not that he is more powerful than any of those entities. he was lumped in with mephisto and a bunch of others recently during the serpent mess.

he is most certainly not above lt. not even close. i'd say he's in the same tier as dormammu and the other splinter realm lords. maybe a little above, but not much.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I think I may be looking at this entirely wrong if some of you think that this is spite in favor of Luci. I'll tell you my perspective:

If good and evil are both the same to Cytorrak...I take that as all of heaven and hell are nothing to him. That should include characters like Zadkiel, Mephisto, and even Lucifer Morningstar regardless if he shaped a universe.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but I think Cytorrak is also more powerful than LT, however Cytorrak is not vulnerable from the judgement that would keep him in his place, therefore ultimately he is below.

just f***** wow

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I think I may be looking at this entirely wrong if some of you think that this is spite in favor of Luci. I'll tell you my perspective:

If good and evil are both the same to Cytorrak...I take that as all of heaven and hell are nothing to him. That should include characters like Zadkiel, Mephisto, and even Lucifer Morningstar regardless if he shaped a universe.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but I think Cytorrak is also more powerful than LT, however Cytorrak is not vulnerable from the judgement that would keep him in his place, therefore ultimately he is below. Nothing you said makes any sense.

I'm been doing some research, and I'm a little iffy about the term "God." Like...Odin is a God, but then you have characters that are "Gods of Death." Isn't Cytorrak a God-like being, let alone the God that provides limitless power to people like Juggy?

I'm almost ready to say that Cytorrak is a powerful enough being where they (christ and the anti-christ?) would be the little angel or devils on his shoulder, but he decides his own fate because they can only attempt to influence him.

ah, screw it:

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nothing you said makes any sense.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I'm been doing some research, and I'm a little iffy about the term "God." Like...Odin is a God, but then you have characters that are "Gods of Death." Isn't Cytorrak a God-like being, let alone the God that provides limitless power to people like Juggy?

I'm almost ready to say that Cytorrak is a powerful enough being where they (christ and the anti-christ?) would be the little angel or devils on his shoulder, but he decides his own fate because they can only attempt to influence him.

dude your research sucks, dont take it personal but it seems like you did the research based on titles, you actually think lucifer morningstar is DC version of mephisto and you actually think cyttorak is more powerful than living tribunal because he has the title "GOD"? dude......

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nothing you said makes any sense.

How doesn't it make sense? Heaven and Hell are opposites. One is "good" and one is "evil." And none of them mean anything to Cytorrak.

Zadkiel is from "Heaven" and Mephisto is from Hell. Why couldn't Mephisto replicate Luci feat of shaping a universe if put in that position to do so?

It technically shouldn't matter of who was the first creation, although in this particular thread I went ahead and used Lucifer Morningstar.

Originally posted by blue_beast
dude your research sucks, dont take it personal but it seems like you did the research based on titles, you actually think lucifer morningstar is DC version of mephisto and you actually think cyttorak is more powerful than living tribunal because he has the title "GOD"? dude......

I won't take it personal. I just want to know why.

And in truth, I may have said it wrong. No, I'm not confused about him being a "god" in that aspect. What I'm saying is...Gods can represent things. The way I see it, Cytorrak represents something more, that even Hellish beings such as Morningstar utilize for their capabilities.

Lawlz.

Mornigstar turns Cytorrak into cranberry juice. His probably in the same tier as Odin and the other high end mystical entities, he doesn't have any feats to suggest that he beats Lucifer.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
galactus and his ship got caught up in cyttoraks crimson bands and it prevented them from escaping.
then he sent his herald to investigate there source, where cyttorak told him he doesnt give a **** about what goes on outside his universe

Does anyone know the comic in which this happened?

I'm willing to bet Colossus' interpretation has a....twist on the events.

the multiverse contains cyttorak's realm and mephisto's. galactus started to devour mephisto's realm and he couldn't do anything to stop him. cyttorak's power re: juggs is NOT limitless. thor was able to turn it off and beat the crap out of juggs. even if that level of 'god' could recreate a creation event in their OWN universe, that would be infinitely smaller than recreating or creating the actual multiverse.

I can see that logically possible, because juggs is only the wielder of the power.

Maybe I should ask this: Would the crimson bands of cytorrak subdue Lucifer Morningstar?

No.

his only feat is getting his butt handed to him by juggernaut in his own realm

Odin's created his own entire dimension before. His fought for the fate of the Universe when a part of his persona was ravaging Galaxies or whatever and effortlessly repaired all the damage done, his even rocked the Multiverse in battle with Seth etc.

He'd still get whooped by Lucifer, not to mention Cytorrak who's biggest feat is looking creepy while he sits on a throne.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lawlz.

Mornigstar turns Cytorrak into cranberry juice. His probably in the same tier as Odin and the other high end mystical entities, he doesn't have any feats to suggest that he beats Lucifer.



Does anyone know the comic in which this happened?

I'm willing to bet Colossus' interpretation has a....twist on the events. Not the exact comic off the top of my head, but it was during Infinity War, and the Juggs vs Cytorakk feat happened in there.

But what happened was that huge Cytorakk bands caught the ship, Galactus didn't really give two shits and sent Nova and Strange to investigate it. Which ended up with them encountering Juggs and Cy.
Funny thing is Nova managed to blast away some of the bands... so I don't think you can consider that a good feat for Cytorakk...

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Not the exact comic off the top of my head, but it was during Infinity War, and the Juggs vs Cytorakk feat happened in there.

But what happened was that huge Cytorakk bands caught the ship, Galactus didn't really give two shits and sent Nova and Strange to investigate it. Which ended up with them encountering Juggs and Cy.
Funny thing is Nova managed to blast away some of the bands... so I don't think you can consider that a good feat for Cytorakk...

Yeah, I remember someone analyzing the scene and making it clear that it's not anything worth jacking off to.

Cytorrak has got to be one of the most overrated entities I've ever had the displeasure of debating over, which isn't surprising considering who his "herald/champion" is.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cytorrak has got to be one of the most overrated entities I've ever had the displeasure of debating over, which isn't surprising considering who his "herald/champion" is. Colossus?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Colossus?

Lol, I meant Juggernaut, but people are getting silly with Piotr now, too.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cytorrak has got to be one of the most overrated entities I've ever had the displeasure of debating over, which isn't surprising considering who his "herald/champion" is.

i completely agree, he has the title of being an "elder god" so for some uknown reason even with 0 feats he is automatically above odin and all the skyfathers when people debate him, juggernaut beat him up in his own realm frickin juggernaut

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I can see that logically possible, because juggs is only the wielder of the power.

Maybe I should ask this: Would the crimson bands of cytorrak subdue Lucifer Morningstar?



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they couldn't hold namor.

hulk has also broken them.

Is there an...embodiment of "magic/force/power" in Marvel or DC? If Cytorrak is the realm, and his power is limitless, why isn't that him? Power and Magic are technically the same, so to magicians and god-likes that means endless magic and what-not.

For some reason, regardless of Cytorrak not having enough feats while still considering (1. his ability to reach through other entities powers to grab Strange, 2. other entities fear him, and 3. powerful demons like zom use his power) I don't see why he's not...capable of being superior to Luci.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Is there an...embodiment of "magic/force/power" in Marvel or DC? If Cytorrak is the realm, and his power is limitless, why isn't that him? Power and Magic are technically the same, so to magicians and god-likes that means endless magic and what-not.

For some reason, regardless of Cytorrak not having enough feats while still considering (1. his ability to reach through other entities powers to grab Strange, 2. other entities fear him, and 3. powerful demons like zom use his power) I don't see why he's not...capable of being superior to Luci.

war hulk and thor broke his magic ... anything else?

Originally posted by leonidas


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they couldn't hold namor.

hulk has also broken them. linking to 4chan means ads with pussyholes and nipples, and weird cartoon porn

Originally posted by blue_beast
war hulk and thor broke his magic ... anything else?

Actually, yeah. Not much more, though.

I was looking around on the net, and came across an interesting Mikaboshi vs Cytorrak discussion on I think CV. Someone there basically made an argument that the Crimson Cosmos powered all the realms pretty much. Multiverses, megaverses, and the like because its power runs throughout all of continuity.

For Cytorrak to have been confined to his own dimension for threatening to destroy all of existence technically means he has the power to do it. Isn't that what Lucifer Morningstar was able to do?

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Actually, yeah. Not much more, though.

I was looking around on the net, and came across an interesting Mikaboshi vs Cytorrak discussion on I think CV. Someone there basically made an argument that the Crimson Cosmos powered all the realms pretty much. Multiverses, megaverses, and the like because its power runs throughout all of continuity.

For Cytorrak to have been confined to his own dimension for threatening to destroy all of existence technically means he has the power to do it. Isn't that what Lucifer Morningstar was able to do? On one hand you're a free thinker and I like that.

On the other hand, you're completely out of your mind wrong.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
On one hand you're a free thinker and I like that.

On the other hand, you're completely out of your mind wrong.

I appreciate you acknowledging that I think freely.

One hand wash the other, both wash the face lol

But...back to my free thinking, demi-urgic power is still power nonetheless. And if Cytorrak is limitless power (it's definitely not physical power because we're dealing with a mystical being) then why can't we assume that all Luci did was unleash something along the lines of Cytorraks power exotically to achieve such and such feats?

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I think I may be looking at this entirely wrong if some of you think that this is spite in favor of Luci. I'll tell you my perspective:

If good and evil are both the same to Cytorrak...I take that as all of heaven and hell are nothing to him. That should include characters like Zadkiel, Mephisto, and even Lucifer Morningstar regardless if he shaped a universe.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but I think Cytorrak is also more powerful than LT, however Cytorrak is not vulnerable from the judgement that would keep him in his place, therefore ultimately he is below.

Don't know what you're smoking, but I want some of it.

Cyttorak>>>> Odin

Originally posted by Cogito
This

Is


Sparta!!.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
linking to 4chan means ads with pussyholes and nipples, and weird cartoon porn

you didn't even open the links to know that, did you.....?


and.....

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Cyttorak>>>> Odin

may be in your reality, not everybody else! You are giving too much credit to Cyttorak, by feats Odin sh** stomps his kool aid looking a$$!