The Sphinx vs WBH h2h

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carver9
Who would win between the two? Let's not determine this off of title, let's use fts.

This is a h2h match.

dmills
Sphinx

Stoic
Hulk

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
Hulk

How on Earth does he beat someone who's upper levels of strength are near galactus levels?

dmills
Any who, Carver said feats so...

Let's start with classic Sphinx at his base strength levels prior to Xandar amp.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326248868076.jpg

Casually tells Grimm he could crush him at any time. Let's him know that the stone can give him even more power if need be.

Here he is with an incomplete nearly drained stone, again at his base level of strength nearly beating Grimm to death...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326305187285.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326560066504.jpg

Finally with no stone at all...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326249277289.jpg

Those scans were just to establish a solid level of base strength for The Sphincter. Him casually handling the thing without amping as compared to Grimm's contemporaries prolly places him somewhere in the WWH/Super pissed off Savage Hulk range in terms of general strength. If anyone agrees that that's a fair assessment then I'll move on to more advanced stuff.

CosmicComet
STOP POSTURING AND GET TO THE GOOD SHIT

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac319/mrbits2/hajime-no-ippo.gif

Stoic
What makes you believe that the Sphinx had levels that even came close to Galactus? From what I recall, Galactus beat the Sphinx without issue. Titles are good and fine, but feats outweigh titles. What did the Sphinx do other than get absolutely dominated by Galactus? I'm posting the comic issue that this all went down in. Check it out. The Sphinx with one Ka Stone wasn't that impressive.

psycho gundam
adding to the ben grimm ain't shit theme

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/thingsundaypunchhulk.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulktthing3.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing4.jpg

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Any who, Carver said feats so...

Let's start with classic Sphinx at his base strength levels prior to Xandar amp.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326248868076.jpg

Casually tells Grimm he could crush him at any time. Let's him know that the stone can give him even more power if need be.

Here he is with an incomplete nearly drained stone, again at his base level of strength nearly beating Grimm to death...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326305187285.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326560066504.jpg

Finally with no stone at all...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326249277289.jpg

Those scans were just to establish a solid level of base strength for The Sphincter. Him casually handling the thing without amping as compared to Grimm's contemporaries prolly places him somewhere in the WWH/Super pissed off Savage Hulk range in terms of general strength. If anyone agrees that that's a fair assessment then I'll move on to more advanced stuff.


WB Hulk would have killed the Thing with a thunder clap. He would also have never felt a punch from him either. No offense, but could you be hung up on titles?

CosmicComet
I love seeing Ben get beat up by everybody.

He's like the blue meanie of Marvel.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
What makes you believe that the Sphinx had levels that even came close to Galactus? From what I recall, Galactus beat the Sphinx without issue. Titles are good and fine, but feats outweigh titles. What did the Sphinx do other than get absolutely dominated by Galactus? I'm posting the comic issue that this all went down in. Check it out. The Sphinx with one Ka Stone wasn't that impressive.

The fact that they were engaged in a grappling contest for a while etc. Put it this way, if wbh tried to engage Galan in h2h in a grappling match he'd get folded like a lawn chair...

Originally posted by Stoic
WB Hulk would have killed the Thing with a thunder clap. He would also have never felt a punch from him either. No offense, but could you be hung up on titles?

I think you're lowballing here my boy. A motivated Galan kicked his ass no doubt. Historically big G can do that to most beings when he's not phucking around. Having said that, you'd have to be pretty nuts to say that he's not clearly portrayed above the likes of the hulk. That much is clear.

Also, what title does Sphinx carry? He's not "the devour of worlds" or "the master of time" or some such. He carries no title.

dmills
Originally posted by psycho gundam
adding to the ben grimm ain't shit theme

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/thingsundaypunchhulk.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulktthing3.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing4.jpg

Thanks for reinforcing my position smart guy thumb up

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
The fact that they were engaged in a grappling contest for a while etc. Put it this way, if wbh tried to engage Galan in h2h in a grappling match he'd get folded like a lawn chair...



I think you're lowballing here my boy. A motivated Galan kicked his ass no doubt. Historically big G can do that to most beings when he's not phucking around. Having said that, you'd have to be pretty nuts to say that he's not clearly portrayed above the likes of the hulk. That much is clear.

Also, what title does Sphinx carry? He's not "the devour of worlds" or "the master of time" or some such. He carries no title.


You showed scans of the Sphinx toying with the Thing, and I proved that the Hulk would not even feel the Things most powerful punches. The Bi-Beast without jobbing would beat the Thing up, as would Wendigo, while WB Hulk did not even notice them. let's not make this about Galactus, because he absolutely destroyed the Sphinx. Based off of feats, WB Hulk would destroy the Sphinx, and that's not me lowballing him, it's just what has been shown on panel. The Sphinx has never shown the ability to be able to crush worlds. Are you sure that you aren't lowballing the Hulk?


Oh yeah, and Galactus wasn't going all out on the Sphinx, he just beat him up, and it appeared to be with ease as well.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by Stoic
The Sphinx has never shown the ability to be able to crush worlds. Seriously?

The guy stomped Terrax out when Terrax was written well (and was still fresh as a herald).
The guy was backed by a planet sized computer... and the Ka Stone. Why the hell would he not be able to destroy a world? Why would he have to?

carver9
WBH wins. What top tiers has Sphinx took out. If we are just using statements then let's look at what WWH said. "You can't stop me, none of you all can"... And it was some heavy hitters out there. Ms. marvel, War Machine, the fantastic four (including Thing).

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk611005.jpg

Let's add to this. Skaar amped himself up to 100 Trillion tons of force...enough force that it was causing planetary problems.


http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk611007.jpg

Enough force that the heavy hitters I brought up couldn't even budge him.

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk611008.jpg

Bit yet we have Hulk treating him like a flee...even after absorbing all of this power and lets not forget, he did this with one arm and let's also not forget...this isn't even WBH, this is WWH, someone that is far weaker.

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk611011.jpg

Sphinx handling Thing, impressive, does this put him anywhere near WWH level...sure doesn't.

iceman24567
Any high end version of Sphinx stomps Hulk period

Stoic
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Seriously?

The guy stomped Terrax out when Terrax was written well (and was still fresh as a herald).
The guy was backed by a planet sized computer... and the Ka Stone. Why the hell would he not be able to destroy a world? Why would he have to?



Yeah seriously.

Sentry crushed Terrax like a bug, and the Hulk at a much weaker level than World Breaking levels defeated a very confident, psyched up by the Stark pep talk Sentry (just so that there are no excuses to the Hulk winning). Again this was not the Hulk who was at a much higher level, when he was in the Dark Dimension. Weigh both sides, it took me nearly an hour to reply to the this topic because i really had to think about it. This meant stripping down the titles of the Sphinx being a Trans tier, and just going by what he was capable of doing vs what WB Hulk was capable of doing.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah seriously.

Sentry crushed Terrax like a bug, and the Hulk at a much weaker level than World Breaking levels defeated a very confident, psyched up by the Stark pep talk Sentry (just so that there are no excuses to the Hulk winning). Again this was not the Hulk who was at a much higher level, when he was in the Dark Dimension. Weigh both sides, it took me nearly an hour to reply to the this topic because i really had to think about it. This meant stripping down the titles of the Sphinx being a Trans tier, and just going by what he was capable of doing vs what WB Hulk was capable of doing. None of this has anything to do with Sphinx crushing worlds.

Sentry crushed a jobbing Terrax. Sphinx stomped out Terrax when he wasn't a joke.

Either way, so you're saying Sphinx is below someone like... Terrax because he didn't prove to you he could crush worlds?

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
You showed scans of the Sphinx toying with the Thing, and I proved that the Hulk would not even feel the Things most powerful punches. The Bi-Beast without jobbing would beat the Thing up, as would Wendigo, while WB Hulk did not even notice them. let's not make this about Galactus, because he absolutely destroyed the Sphinx. Based off of feats, WB Hulk would destroy the Sphinx, and that's not me lowballing him, it's just what has been shown on panel. The Sphinx has never shown the ability to be able to crush worlds. Are you sure that you aren't lowballing the Hulk?


Oh yeah, and Galactus wasn't going all out on the Sphinx, he just beat him up, and it appeared to be with ease as well.

Come on brah, you're more savvy than this. You know I said that I posted the scans to established a baseline of strength for the Sphinx. Which I said was WWH/very pissed savage Hulk range. Not that Ben Grimm was the be all end all. He caught his punch, was crushing his hand while monologuing. And that was classic Sphinx pre worldmind amp.

The power to crush worlds? Man the Sphinx has altered reality, time/space on a whim. He has destroyed planets with a thought from interstellar distances. He has the power to crush a planet and then will it back together again brah.

Galactus was motivated by Reed letting him have Earth. In other words, he was finally offered the pussy that he had been wanting so desperately to smash. Read the dialogue.

At one point during the fight they were engaged in a grappling match. Iirc it lasted a few panels at that. The art depiction had them quivering indicative of a physical stalemate. All while talking with him. I figure a dude has to be pretty phucking strong to do that. If you feel wbh can do that then come out and say it. Just sayin.

CosmicComet
knamsayn?

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Come on brah, you're more savvy than this. You know I said that I posted the scans to established a baseline of strength for the Sphinx. Which I said was WWH/very pissed savage Hulk range. Not that Ben Grimm was the be all end all. He caught his punch, was crushing his hand while monologuing. And that was classic Sphinx pre worldmind amp.

The power to crush worlds? Man the Sphinx has altered reality, time/space on a whim. He has destroyed planets with a thought from interstellar distances. He has the power to crush a planet and then will it back together again brah.

Galactus was motivated by Reed letting him have Earth. In other words, he was finally offered the pussy that he had been wanting so desperately to smash. Read the dialogue.

At one point during the fight they were engaged in a grappling match. Iirc it lasted a few panels at that. The art depiction had them quivering indicative of a physical stalemate. All while talking with him. I figure a dude has to be pretty phucking strong to do that. If you feel wbh can do that then come out and say it. Just sayin.


His battle with Galactus was not a Galactus trying too hard. Galactus beat him so bad that he retconned his entire history. That was not a battle but more of a humiliation. If the Sphinx took on WB Hulk at his same height, he would be beaten. I have never read the other stories with him in them outside of the Galactus battle, and him punking the Thing. What was his best showing? Was it better than he looked against Galactus? If not, what I am saying is that it would be a good fight, but my vote goes to WB Hulk.


I also realize the reason why you used the Thing showing. I was just showing that it wasn't anything that WB Hulk could not do much better.

Stoic
It would also appear that a Shinx that could alter reality would also be above Galactus right? I was thinking that we were debating an unamplified by the World Mind Sphinx. That would also not constitute a normal Sphinx, but one aided by outside means.

carver9
Sphinx lost to Black Bolt...both physically and output of power.

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
Sphinx lost to Black Bolt...both physically and output of power.


Well now, that's an eye opener.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Come on brah, you're more savvy than this. You know I said that I posted the scans to established a baseline of strength for the Sphinx. Which I said was WWH/very pissed savage Hulk range. Not that Ben Grimm was the be all end all. He caught his punch, was crushing his hand while monologuing. And that was classic Sphinx pre worldmind amp.

The power to crush worlds? Man the Sphinx has altered reality, time/space on a whim. He has destroyed planets with a thought from interstellar distances. He has the power to crush a planet and then will it back together again brah.

Galactus was motivated by Reed letting him have Earth. In other words, he was finally offered the pussy that he had been wanting so desperately to smash. Read the dialogue.

At one point during the fight they were engaged in a grappling match. Iirc it lasted a few panels at that. The art depiction had them quivering indicative of a physical stalemate. All while talking with him. I figure a dude has to be pretty phucking strong to do that. If you feel wbh can do that then come out and say it. Just sayin.


These are the unamplified by the World Mind Sphinx's power. None of it states the ability to alter reality.

Powers and abilities

The Sphinx is an ancient mutant, who has gained additional abilities through use of the Ka Stone, and other sources. The character possesses superhuman strength, stamina, durability, agility, and reflexes, and virtual immortality. Courtesy of the Ka stone, the Sphinx also possess a range of metaphysical abilities including energy projection; telepathy; teleportation and flight. The Sphinx also possesses knowledge of ancient Egyptian sorcery.

carver9
I'll post the scans when I get home. Moral of story, Black Bolt made him flee in pain with an electron blast and this was a full powered Sphinx, one that was boasting that he took on Galactus.

dmills
Here's Sphincter smacking a byatch taking his power back...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1324491082.jpg

The same broad that punched the Hulk into green pudding...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934016521.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934027769.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934184001.jpg

dmills
Originally posted by carver9
I'll post the scans when I get home. Moral of story, Black Bolt made him flee in pain with an electron blast and this was a full powered Sphinx, one that was boasting that he took on Galactus.

You sure that you wanna play it that way? I'll give you a chance to correct yourself.

iceman24567
Originally posted by dmills
You sure that you wanna play it that way? I'll give you a chance to correct yourself. carver leaving out context to lowball?

carver9
Originally posted by dmills
You sure that you wanna play it that way? I'll give you a chance to correct yourself.

Lol...Sphinx doesnt do so well against Heralds...that's all I'm saying.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
It would also appear that a Shinx that could alter reality would also be above Galactus right? I was thinking that we were debating an unamplified by the World Mind Sphinx. That would also not constitute a normal Sphinx, but one aided by outside means.

That was permanent. It was as much about knowledge as it was power. As we see he can still alter time/space etc to this day.

carver9
You've shown fts that put him above Professor Hulk...what other fts do you have.

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
Well now, that's an eye opener.

http://img67.exs.cx/img67/5563/vssphinx19mx.jpg
http://img63.exs.cx/img63/9550/vssphinx25qz.jpg
http://img171.exs.cx/img171/9885/vssphinx31pn.jpg

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by carver9
I'll post the scans when I get home. Moral of story, Black Bolt made him flee in pain with an electron blast and this was a full powered Sphinx, one that was boasting that he took on Galactus. Why'd you create this thread if you think Sphinx is below Black Bolt level?
Oh ya, troll

And Sphinx didn't have the Xandar computer so you know... he wasn't the same level as the one who fought Galactus because you're a liar

iceman24567
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Why'd you create this thread if you think Sphinx is below Black Bolt level?
Oh ya, troll

And Sphinx didn't have the Xandar computer so you know... he wasn't the same level as the one who fought Galactus because you're a liar thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Why'd you create this thread if you think Sphinx is below Black Bolt level?
Oh ya, troll

And Sphinx didn't have the Xandar computer so you know... he wasn't the same level as the one who fought Galactus because you're a liar

I never said he is below BB, I said his performance against Heralds isn't above what WWH would do. I'm pointing out reason WBH would get the majority, not that it isn't a fight. I never said it was a stomp either since I do.believe Sphinx could give Hulk a fight.

Simple logic.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Here's Sphincter smacking a byatch taking his power back...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1324491082.jpg

The same broad that punched the Hulk into green pudding...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934016521.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934027769.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934184001.jpg


Many people feel that alternate reality characters may not be on the same power level as their 616 cousins. If Black Bolt indeed defeated the Sphinx, then it would certainly not be impossible for WB Hulk to defeat him. There are a lot of people trying to reduce the impact, and power that the Hulk showed in HOTM when he went World Breaker, even claiming that he died, and ignoring that his durability grows in direct proportion to his strength, and the fact that it was not seen on panel. there were even claims to compare Drax fighting Thanos when they also destroyed a planet with the power that was being output during HOTM, while ignoring She Hulk having been able to overpower that same version of Drax during The Avengers Annual #16.

People have even argued that Thor, who has stalemated with the far weaker Savage Hulk, would give WB a challenge when we have seen Bi-Beast move Thor with punches, yet was unable to even effect the Hulk with those same punches with the help of Wendgo. People have even attempted to pretend that Wendigo, and Bi-Beast at 1000x base were still pretty weak, this is what you call bullsh1t at it's best.

On the spot time manipulation is above the likes of Galactus, as I have yet to see him time jump at will, or manipulate time like the time gem is capable of doing. Does this mean that the Sphinx would defeat Galactus?

I wouldn't challenge your claim that the Sphinx gave Galactus a good fight if he did, but the truth of the matter is that he really didn't do much aside from getting humiliated. Galactus wasn't challenged the way he was in his battle with the Sphinx, as he was when he battled it out with the Inbetweener. That was Galactus pouring it on.

During the HOTM arc, what the reader was supposed come away thinking was that the Hulk generated enough power to decimate planets while only using physical force. This is something that I have yet to see the Sphinx do.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
Many people feel that alternate reality characters may not be on the same power level as their 616 cousins. If Black Bolt indeed defeated the Sphinx, then it would certainly not be impossible for WB Hulk to defeat him. There are a lot of people trying to reduce the impact, and power that the Hulk showed in HOTM when he went World Breaker, even claiming that he died, and ignoring that his durability grows in direct proportion to his strength, and the fact that it was not seen on panel. there were even claims to compare Drax fighting Thanos also destroyed a planet, while ignoring She Hulk having been able to overpower that same version of Drax during The Avengers Annual #16.

People have even argued that Thor, who has stalemated with the far weaker Savage Hulk, would give WB a challenge when we have seen Bi-Beast move Thor with punches, yet was unable to even effect the Hulk with those same punches with the help of Wendgo. People have even attempted to pretend that Wendigo, and Bi-Beast at 1000x base were still pretty weak, this is what you call bullsh1t at it's best.

On the spot time manipulation is above the likes of Galactus, as I have yet to see him time jump at will, or manipulate time like the time gem is capable of doing. Does this mean that the Sphinx would defeat Galactus?

I wouldn't challenge your claim that the Sphinx gave Galactus a good fight if he did, but the truth of the matter is that he really didn't do much aside from getting humiliated. Galactus wasn't challenged the way he was in his battle with the Sphinx, as he was when he battled it out with the Inbetweener. That was Galactus pouring it on.

During the HOTM arc, what the reader was supposed come away thinking was that the Hulk generated enough power to decimate planets while only using physical force. This is something that I have yet to see the Sphinx do.

Careful. She warped 616 reality and as was explained in the arc when she changed everything back to normal as if it had never happened. The characters involved were very much 616 characters that had been affected by the warp. It wasn't a separate reality that ran parallel to 616. Hell Nova even believed he was an Avenger working for the Sphinx lol.



I'll post the scans in a minute that address this and some of your other comments.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Careful. She warped 616 reality and as was explained in the arc when she changed everything back to normal as if it had never happened. The characters involved were very much 616 characters that had been affected by the warp. It wasn't a separate reality that ran parallel to 616. Hell Nova even believed he was an Avenger working for the Sphinx lol.



I'll post the scans in a minute that address this and some of your other comments.


No need to post I have the New Warriors comic that you are speaking of, unless of course you feel the need to post for others who have never read the comic. This is also a H2H contest, and not one where the Sphinx BFR's the Hulk into the Jurassic period. H2H strength to strength. I have yet to see the Sphinx generate the power that the Hulk did during HOTM.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by carver9
I never said he is below BB, I said his performance against Heralds isn't above what WWH would do. I'm pointing out reason WBH would get the majority, not that it isn't a fight. I never said it was a stomp either since I do.believe Sphinx could give Hulk a fight.

Simple logic. Originally posted by carver9
Sphinx lost to Black Bolt...both physically and output of power.

You're just a liar, simply put. Misleading Stoic to believe it was the same one who fought Galactus

carver9
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You're just a liar, simply put. Misleading Stoic to believe it was the same one who fought Galactus

Whatever you want to call me doesnt change the fact that Black Bolt tapped that a**.

carver9
Originally posted by carver9
http://img67.exs.cx/img67/5563/vssphinx19mx.jpg
http://img63.exs.cx/img63/9550/vssphinx25qz.jpg
http://img171.exs.cx/img171/9885/vssphinx31pn.jpg

Sr J-Bieb
Do you even try to hide that all you do is troll now?

carver9
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Do you even try to hide that all you do is troll now?

When you learn what "boasting" means then I would probably agree.

Sr J-Bieb
So you're boasting about lying then?

Trolling... ?

carver9
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So you're boasting about lying then?

Trolling... ?

Show me where I said Black Bolt beat the same Sphinx that fought Galactus.

carver9
Na.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by carver9
I'll post the scans when I get home. Moral of story, Black Bolt made him flee in pain with an electron blast and this was a full powered Sphinx, one that was boasting that he took on Galactus.

Enough of this bullshit though, another poster needs to respond since you're terrible at everything you do.

carver9
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Enough of this bullshit though, another poster needs to respond since you're terrible at everything you do.

Definition of boasting...please read, its a useful word.

" Talk with excessive pride and self-satisfaction about one's achievements, possessions, or abilities. 2. (of a person, place, or thing) Possess (a feature that is a source of pride): "the hotel boasts high standards of comfort".

Stoic
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You're just a liar, simply put. Misleading Stoic to believe it was the same one who fought Galactus


I never saw Black Bolt defeat the Sphinx, and to be honest, I didn't know that the one that Boltagon defeated was a different Sphinx aside from the size difference. I just thought that he chose to reduce his size in that scene. confused

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
I never saw Black Bolt defeat the Sphinx, and to be honest, I didn't know that the one that Boltagon defeated was a different Sphinx aside from the size difference. I just thought that he chose to reduce his size in that scene. confused

Yeah, they are different in power. Sphinx powers varies for some strange reason.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, they are different in power. Sphinx powers varies for some strange reason. ...

Originally posted by Stoic
I never saw Black Bolt defeat the Sphinx, and to be honest, I didn't know that the one that Boltagon defeated was a different Sphinx aside from the size difference. I just thought that he chose to reduce his size in that scene. confused Sphinx didn't have the Xandarian supercomputer at the time. Which is why he was so much more powerful in the Galactus fight.

It was pretty much a planet sized computer that he absorbed power from. Or Worldmind as it's more commonly referred to as

Originally posted by carver9
Definition of boasting...please read, its a useful word.

" Talk with excessive pride and self-satisfaction about one's achievements, possessions, or abilities. 2. (of a person, place, or thing) Possess (a feature that is a source of pride): "the hotel boasts high standards of comfort". You should have quoted "lying"

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, they are different in power. Sphinx powers varies for some strange reason.


Well in order for this to be a H2H battle the Sphinx would have to be the size of the Hulk or in the ballpark. All the same, even during his battle with Galactus, i did not see him throw any Earth shattering blows, all i saw was Galactus controlling the tempo of the fight.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
No need to post I have the New Warriors comic that you are speaking of, unless of course you feel the need to post for others who have never read the comic. This is also a H2H contest, and not one where the Sphinx BFR's the Hulk into the Jurassic period. H2H strength to strength. I have yet to see the Sphinx generate the power that the Hulk did during HOTM.

laughing out loud The Jurassic period.

Ok cool cause I was about to unleash a barrage of Sphincter feat spam in the thread lol. Personally I think that you're making the same mistake that Hulk fans made prior to the Zeus fight in thinking that he could run with a skyfather in pure h2h because of a lack of strength feats on the part of people in that ballpark. I offered up the Galactus

I'll just offer this. If you honestly believe WBH can engage Galactus physically for any length of time, then I'll retract my argument.

dmills
shifty

Originally posted by carver9
Show me where I said Black Bolt beat the same Sphinx that fought Galactus.

Originally posted by carver9
I'll post the scans when I get home. Moral of story, Black Bolt made him flee in pain with an electron blast and this was a full powered Sphinx, one that was boasting that he took on Galactus.

Oh and for the record...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330224816933.jpg

A young Sphinx swatting Nova Prime, Darkhawk and Blackbolt and co away like bugs.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
laughing out loud The Jurassic period.

Ok cool cause I was about to unleash a barrage of Sphincter feat spam in the thread lol. Personally I think that you're making the same mistake that Hulk fans made prior to the Zeus fight in thinking that he could run with a skyfather in pure h2h because of a lack of strength feats on the part of people in that ballpark. I offered up the Galactus

I'll just offer this. If you honestly believe WBH can engage Galactus physically for any length of time, then I'll retract my argument.


Let's put this into proper perspective shall we?

1. The Hulk was not in the same frame of mind when he fought Zeus, as he was when he was in the Dark Dimension. This is not a lie, but the truth. I'm not saying that the Hulk would have beaten Zeus, but what I am saying is that he would have done a hell of a lot better than the sh1t that was written, printed, and force fed down everyone's throat. The idea of the Hulk having given Zeus any form resembling a fight would have likely had many people seeking aid at the Unemployment line, preceding a lengthy stay at the Welfare line.

2. Odin in my opinion is within Zeus' power level, and we all saw how well he did against Galactus, and would have won that fight if he was the first one to his feet. The Sphinx was far far far below Odin's level, and was absolutely dominated in his battle with Galactus. There was no contest. If you want to post up their battle which would show exactly why I believe HOTM Hulk would win against the Sphinx toting the same amount of power that he had during his ass wrangling at the hands of Galan, by all means do so.


3. The Sphinx is no Sky Father, or anywhere close to it. This of course is if you are willing to judge his power level, by using Galactus, and Odin as a measuring stick.

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
Well in order for this to be a H2H battle the Sphinx would have to be the size of the Hulk or in the ballpark. All the same, even during his battle with Galactus, i did not see him throw any Earth shattering blows, all i saw was Galactus controlling the tempo of the fight.

I agree 100% with you.

carver9
Originally posted by dmills
shifty





Oh and for the record...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330224816933.jpg

A young Sphinx swatting Nova Prime, Darkhawk and Blackbolt and co away like bugs.

Show the rest...never see that one before.

Stoic
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
...

Sphinx didn't have the Xandarian supercomputer at the time. Which is why he was so much more powerful in the Galactus fight.

It was pretty much a planet sized computer that he absorbed power from. Or Worldmind as it's more commonly referred to as

You should have quoted "lying"

Okay, i only followed a few of The Sphinx's appearances, so this means that he had the power of the Ka Stone while being amped with the same juice that made Nova Prime as powerful as he was. Keep in mind that the World Mind was measured, and shown to be inferior to Annihilus. This isn't a low ball, just a means to keep score so that feats don't get blown out of proportion.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
Let's put this into proper perspective shall we?

1. The Hulk was not in the same frame of mind when he fought Zeus, as he was when he was in the Dark Dimension. This is not a lie, but the truth. I'm not saying that the Hulk would have beaten Zeus, but what I am saying is that he would have done a hell of a lot better than the sh1t that was written, printed, and force fed down everyone's throat. The idea of the Hulk having given Zeus any form resembling a fight would have likely had many people seeking aid at the Unemployment line, preceding a lengthy stay at the Welfare line.

2. Odin in my opinion is within Zeus' power level, and we all saw how well he did against Galactus, and would have won that fight if he was the first one to his feet. The Sphinx was far far far below Odin's level, and was absolutely dominated in his battle with Galactus. There was no contest. If you want to post up their battle which would show exactly why I believe HOTM Hulk would win against the Sphinx toting the same amount of power that he had during his ass wrangling at the hands of Galan, by all means do so.


3. The Sphinx is no Sky Father, or anywhere close to it. This of course is if you are willing to judge his power level, by using Galactus, and Odin as a measuring stick.

1)It doesn't matter what mind frame the Hulk was in, the results would've been pretty much the same. A beating like that served only one purpose and that was to show what happens when one character is totally outclassed by another.

2) I won't lowball Odin, but I will just say that you've used a fairly liberal interpretation of those events.

3) We go by feats, showings and portrayal on this forum. Now I'll grant you that The Sphinx is lacking in the showings department. Let's just be real, he's a jobber. I mean he's even stated on panel that the only reason he doesn't snap his fingers and end shyte is because its no fun to do it that way lol. But if you think for one second that he isn't skyfather level then you'd have to name me someone considered below Skyfather level that has shown the Sphinx's level of time/reality manipulation etc. I mean a chick with half of his power warped 616 Earth reality with very little effort. Come on brah.

dmills
Originally posted by carver9
Show the rest...never see that one before.

They were non factors. After that blast the younger sphinx warped some random badguys from different era's in time to do his dirty work for him while he engaged the elder Sphinx in some weird cosmic magic game thingy.

carver9
Originally posted by dmills
They were non factors. After that blast the younger sphinx warped some random badguys from different era's in time to do his dirty work for him while he engaged the elder Sphinx in some weird cosmic magic game thingy.

Gotcha. Would you out Sphinx above Lord Mar-vell?

dmills
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. Would you out Sphinx above Lord Mar-vell?

Yes.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
1)It doesn't matter what mind frame the Hulk was in, the results would've been pretty much the same. A beating like that served only one purpose and that was to show what happens when one character is totally outclassed by another.

2) I won't lowball Odin, but I will just say that you've used a fairly liberal interpretation of those events.

3) We go by feats, showings and portrayal on this forum. Now I'll grant you that The Sphinx is lacking in the showings department. Let's just be real, he's a jobber. I mean he's even stated on panel that the only reason he doesn't snap his fingers and end shyte is because its no fun to do it that way lol. But if you think for one second that he isn't skyfather level then you'd have to name me someone considered below Skyfather level that has shown the Sphinx's level of time/reality manipulation etc. I mean a chick with half of his power warped 616 Earth reality with very little effort. Come on brah.


In response to point 3.

Many characters have amazing abilities but if it came down to just a H2H they would be beaten by the Hulk. Look at what Quasar did to that rogue Watcher, should we place him up on a higher pedestal than he really is? All things considered, characters far less powerful than the rogue Watcher has put Quasar through the paces.

Aw what the hell. In response to point 1.

I disagree, i believe that the Hulk when he faced Zeus appeared to be begging Zeus instead of going full postal on him. he would have still lost, but he would have certainly done better. later on he even fought Zeus or a version of Zeus in the form of an eagle, and did much better than he did against Zeus in his humanoid form. Even in that scene he wasn't going all out.

Come now think about it, the Hulk was being ruptured by boulders when he fought Zeus, and yet he survived the explosion of several planets? The Hulk stood before Zeus, and pleaded his case, he then hits Zeus, and in turn is turned into hamburger meat. One panel even goes as far as to portray the comical ZOUNDS sound effect. Greater sh1t has never been printed than what we saw there. I'm not trying to make up excuse for the Hulk, but if it was written better, the Hulk would have put up a better fight, and this is going by past feats, which includes HOTM.


Powerset does not give the Sphinx an auto win, when we are talking about H2H. I believe that it would be a good fight, but that WB Hulk would be walking away with the W.

carver9
Hulk went to Zeus to give his life for repayment of assisting against Chaos King. He was suicidal. Zeus beat the hell out of a calm, selfless Hulk.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
In response to point 3.

Many characters have amazing abilities but if it came down to just a H2H they would be beaten by the Hulk. Look at what Quasar did to that rogue Watcher, should we place him up on a higher pedestal than he really is? All things considered, characters far less powerful than the rogue Watcher has put Quasar through the paces.

Aw what the hell. In response to point 1.

I disagree, i believe that the Hulk when he faced Zeus appeared to be begging Zeus instead of going full postal on him. he would have still lost, but he would have certainly done better. later on he even fought Zeus or a version of Zeus in the form of an eagle, and did much better than he did against Zeus in his humanoid form. Even in that scene he wasn't going all out.

Come now think about it, the Hulk was being ruptured by boulders when he fought Zeus, and yet he survived the explosion of several planets? The Hulk stood before Zeus, and pleaded his case, he then hits Zeus, and in turn is turned into hamburger meat. One panel even goes as far as to portray the comical ZOUNDS sound effect. Greater sh1t has never been printed than what we saw there. I'm not trying to make up excuse for the Hulk, but if it was written better, the Hulk would have put up a better fight, and this is going by past feats, which includes HOTM.


Powerset does not give the Sphinx an auto win, when we are talking about H2H. I believe that it would be a good fight, but that WB Hulk would be walking away with the W.

Yeah but Quasar giving a Watcher a run is... I won't quite say SMvFL but... Well you know laughing out loud

Most times I'd agree. However there are amazing abilities and then there is warping time/reality to suit your whims lol. It helps him in h2h because he uses that same energy to amp his physical stats if need be.

I ain't mad at you bro. Hell I still go around maintaining that If Nova used his full power he'd whoop the Surfer. That's my story and I'm sticking to it lol!

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk went to Zeus to give his life for repayment of assisting against Chaos King. He was suicidal. Zeus beat the hell out of a calm, selfless Hulk.


Yes and that's not a lie. It's all there in the book. Context is what makes some stories suck, but if it was written that way who are we to make up things? The Hulk was one inch away from offering Zeus his chin to do whatever he wanted with it.

Mistress-Death
How is this 4 pages? The sphinx stomps or is the myth that no one can beat any Hulk at h2h still going on

carver9
Going by Title isn't the way to go because if that was the case, Onslaught would have wrecked Hulk in h2h. Hulk was punching so hard that it was sending people flying for miles. Had Heralds struggling to advance.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5554/onslaught1c7fw.jpg

Had every hero on the battlefield in fear from Hulks power (except Onslaught) and these were some of the most powerful beings on the planet.


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3563/onslaught1d0lm.jpg

Sphinx gets manhandled in this fight.

Mistress-Death
^more lies and twisting context, no one was sent for miles

Don't try to play the title means nothing card, Zeus had hardly any hth feats despite his title yet he wtf pwnd Hulk easily

carver9
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
^more lies and twisting context, no one was sent for miles

Don't try to play the title means nothing card, Zeus had hardly any hth feats despite his title yet he wtf pwnd Hulk easily

Zeus has always been a peer to Odin...no changing that. Writers has made it known that Zeus would run through Heralds and by the way, Zeus has fts. He had a minor amp and dropped Galactus with a casual blast.

I would give Zeus the majority against anybody short of Odin and Galactus and like I've told you before, Zeus didn't fight WBH and he was sent there to give his life for his family...doesn't sound like a serious Hulk to me. Using Zeus as some type of bench mark isn't helping your case anyways since Zeus would take Sphinx out in two panels.

Mistress-Death
Galactus didn't 2 panel Sphinx so Zeus aint, stop lying Zeus didn't have a minor amp at all from CK its clear he had a massive amp as Odin couldn't drop him like that.

And more Bs as Hulk wasn't calm and suicidal he only said hed give his life when Zeus was stomping him

carver9
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
Galactus didn't 2 panel Sphinx so Zeus aint, stop lying Zeus didn't have a minor amp at all from CK its clear he had a massive amp as Odin couldn't drop him like that.

And more Bs as Hulk wasn't calm and suicidal he only said hed give his life when Zeus was stomping him

Sphinx was amped by a super computer when he faced Galactus. You are suppose to know these things when consistently debating against a character. At least know something about the character you are debating for. Zeus would two panel Sphinx.

Lol...I proved this a long time ago by posting a link from the writer himself stating Zeus has a small amp when facing Galactus. Zeus is a beast, deal with it.

Lol...Hulk was suicidal before losing to Zeus. His main reason for being on Olympus was to give his life for his family. Do you even read these comics? Zeus fought a suicidal Hulk...a Hulk that came there to give his life to him.

Mistress-Death
facepalm to all your post, lol at you now trying to use what a writer said yet dismiss what Marvel head guy Joe Q saying that Hulk always holds was rubbish writing and holds no grounds.

Hulk was only willing to give his life when he was on deaths door due to Zeus teaching him a real lesson about strength

carver9
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
facepalm to all your post, lol at you now trying to use what a writer said yet dismiss what Marvel head guy Joe Q saying that Hulk always holds was rubbish writing and holds no grounds.

Hulk was only willing to give his life when he was on deaths door due to Zeus teaching him a real lesson about strength

You are not good at this...if the writer of the book states Zeus had a minor amp then I believe it. I didn't believe you anyways about what you stayed they said about Hulk. Show me Joe Q saying this or stop bringing it up.

Hulk went to Olympus to give his life. What's so hard to understand? Why was Hulk in Olympus Mistress?

Mistress-Death
I've told you go ask Joe Q the question again on twitter or just search his CBR thread as I don't go saving stuff like the like a sad fanboy like you did

Hulk made it clear he was in Olympus because he was pissed at Zeus and wanted to take it too him but failed very very badly

Stop it with this "your not good at this" because you aint got what it takes to take me on in a BZ when you have to really debate and not lie all the time

Naija boy
Originally posted by dmills

I ain't mad at you bro. Hell I still go around maintaining that If Nova used his full power he'd whoop the Surfer. That's my story and I'm sticking to it lol!

...You are treading dangerously. evil face

dmills
Originally posted by Naija boy
...You are treading dangerously. evil face

I thought I could sneak that one by you laughing out loud

dmills
Anywho, let's refocus gentlemen. My original purpose was to establish a base level of strength for the sphinx. I posted the Thing scans not to say that WWH wasn't capable of the same, quite the contrary. It was to show that the Sphinx at his base level of strength is slightly above top tier by using a character that we all can agree that while not an elite strongman, he at least has a long history of showings versus elite strongmen and an established baseline of strength around here (grimm).

My next argument is that the Sphinx uses the KA stone energy to amplify his base physical stats and that the same energies that he uses to warp time etc are the same energies that he uses to amp himself. I'll introduce a few pieces of evidence...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1326248868076.jpg

In the above scan we see Sphinx telling Grimm that if he required more power to destroy him, the ka stone would give him that as well. A clear indication of amping on an as needed basis...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330284990557.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330285002475.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330232571955.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1330232404.jpg

In the next set of above scans we see the Sphinx has warped a small portion of Cairo, Egypt. Firestar is using her mutant ability to draw all the energy from Earth's magnetic field and then release it in a concentrated blast at point blank range into the Sphinx. The Sphinx is drawing on power that he used to warp that current section of time. Things slowly begin warping back to normal as he draws upon this energy, presumably to bolster his durability against her attack. Also talks about how he can draw on energy from all of time if he wanted. Either way, we see that he is in fact, tanking the blast.

dmills
Next we see the female Sphinx that possessed a portion of the real deal's power. She's fighting every hero and villain on warped 616 Earth...She then warps it back, leaving everyone to go back to their normal lives... They marvel at her strength as she effortlessly punches the Hulk into orbit from her back.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330286440292.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330286470876.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330286493951.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934016521.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934027769.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934302236.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1322934314107.jpg

In one scan you can even see nearby planets in space being affected, implying that her power extended beyond what see did on Earth.

Stoic
It's very evident that the Sphinx is not anywhere close to being a Sky Father when we saw how well a Sky Father does against Galactus. The Sphinx was turned out by Galactus, and Odin, Zeus, or any other Sky Father would do the same to him. Odin is one straw away from being as powerful as Galactus. The Sphinx.... just read Fantastic Four v1 #208-212 and this will become painfully obvious. When I read it, if I were a judge of a boxing match I would have ended it and called it a no contest.

CosmicComet
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk went to Zeus to give his life for repayment of assisting against Chaos King. He was suicidal. Zeus beat the hell out of a calm, selfless Hulk.


He went there to make Zeus help him and his family because he felt they deserved a reward.

He taunted Zeus into fighting him h2h, and called Zeus a coward if he decided to simply make him vanish into thin air.

And when he realized he couldn't win, he figures he's going to die anyway, so before that happens he begged for his families' salvation.

Hulk was there all cocky and boastful to start with "Think you scare me?", "Less talking and you might--" etc, and then after taking some shots, he was clearly angry, declaring to Betty and them to get out of there because 'This is MY fight', and then after Zeus has him barfing up his organs he starts getting all teary eyed in front of Hera, begging for help.

Zeus was Bill Duke in that scene, to Hulk's Caine.

Zeus: "you know you done ****ed up right"
Hulk: "no--i thought, wait no"
Zeus: "you KNOW you done ****ed up don't you?"

carver9
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He went there to make Zeus help him and his family because he felt they deserved a reward.

He taunted Zeus into fighting him h2h, and called Zeus a coward if he decided to simply make him vanish into thin air.

And when he realized he couldn't win, he figures he's going to die anyway, so before that happens he begged for his families' salvation.

Hulk was there all cocky and boastful to start with "Think you scare me?", "Less talking and you might--" etc, and then after taking some shots, he was clearly angry, declaring to Betty and them to get out of there because 'This is MY fight', and then after Zeus has him barfing up his organs he starts getting all teary eyed in front of Hera, begging for help.

Zeus was Bill Duke in that scene, to Hulk's Caine.

Zeus: "you know you done ****ed up right"
Hulk: "no--i thought, wait no"
Zeus: "you KNOW you done ****ed up don't you?"

Lol...good point. Do you think Hulk was operating at his WWH levels?

CosmicComet
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...good point. Do you think Hulk was operating at his WWH levels?

K2v-8ctq5x4

And yes, WWH levels, obviously not GammaFather levels.

carver9
Lol...Gotcha and just to let everyone know, I will think Zeus could beat WBH 10/10 under the same circumstances.

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He went there to make Zeus help him and his family because he felt they deserved a reward.

He taunted Zeus into fighting him h2h, and called Zeus a coward if he decided to simply make him vanish into thin air.

And when he realized he couldn't win, he figures he's going to die anyway, so before that happens he begged for his families' salvation.

Hulk was there all cocky and boastful to start with "Think you scare me?", "Less talking and you might--" etc, and then after taking some shots, he was clearly angry, declaring to Betty and them to get out of there because 'This is MY fight', and then after Zeus has him barfing up his organs he starts getting all teary eyed in front of Hera, begging for help.

Zeus was Bill Duke in that scene, to Hulk's Caine.

Zeus: "you know you done ****ed up right"
Hulk: "no--i thought, wait no"
Zeus: "you KNOW you done ****ed up don't you?"


I think Zeus probably would have helped him if he had come at him in a different way but threading softly is not exactly Hulk's strong point.Then again what happened in "Hulk vs Hercules when titans collide" seemed to have rubbed him the wrong way in regards to Hulk so it probably would not have matter.

carver9
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I think Zeus probably would have helped him if he had come at him in a different way but threading softly is not exactly Hulk's strong point.Then again what happened in "Hulk vs Hercules when titans collide" seemed to have rubbed him the wrong way in regards to Hulk so it probably would not have matter.

Good to see you back.

dmills
Then lastly, the fight with Galactus. I specifically want to focus on the physical aspect of the fight so I'm only posting the panels related to that.

Galan hits the sphinx with a cosmic amped pimp hand...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1330278817.jpg

The Sphinx not wanting to go out like a chump... Nooo! Comes back with a right hook. Then they lock up in a contest of strength for a couple of panels. Notice they're straining which is indicative of a temporary physical deadlock of sorts...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/galactussphinx49be-1.jpg

Galactus floors him with a cosmic charged right cross! Down goes sphincter! Down goes sphincter! Actually that wasn't the fight stopper. Sayge, the embodiment of truth shows up and as usual, the Sphinx becomes a scared little child around him and capitulates to his fate.

The point is that while big G is more powerful, won the fight etc etc. For the purpose of this thread we only want/need to see what the Sphinx is capable of in terms of physical strength/power vis-a-vis a confrontation with wbh. Clearly portrayed as above that imo.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Then lastly, the fight with Galactus. I specifically want to focus on the physical aspect of the fight so I'm only posting the panels related to that.

Galan hits the sphinx with a cosmic amped pimp hand...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1330278817.jpg

The Sphinx not wanting to go out like a chump... Nooo! Comes back with a right hook. Then they lock up in a contest of strength for a couple of panels. Notice they're straining which is indicative of a temporary physical deadlock of sorts...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/galactussphinx49be-1.jpg

Galactus floors him with a cosmic charged right cross! Down goes sphincter! Down goes sphincter! Actually that wasn't the fight stopper. Sayge, the embodiment of truth shows up and as usual, the Sphinx becomes a scared little child around him and capitulates to his fate.

The point is that while big G is more powerful, won the fight etc etc. For the purpose of this thread we only want/need to see what the Sphinx is capable of in terms of physical strength/power vis-a-vis a confrontation with wbh. Clearly portrayed as above that imo.


Bro he did nothing to Galactus, it was really a no contest, and Galactus was merely restraining him the way a parent would restrain their 10 year old son. What Odin , and the Inbetweener did in their battles with Galactus, was a contest. It's clear as day that the Sphinx was far out of his league, and isn't even close to being in the same ballpark as Odin, Zeus, Inbetweener, or Galctus. Just look at the condition of Galactus, and look at the Sphinx.

CosmicComet
As Stoic said though, he was giant in that scene.

Who knows how strong he would be compared to Hulk if he was human sized. (Well actually its pretty easy to calculate but the writer knows nothing about the square-cubed law so we would have to temper the figure with salt.)

CosmicComet
As for how Odin fared against Galactus....

The FIRST physical move that Odin made against Galactus, ended up being his last.

Self-KO via headbutt, while Galactus was flash ko'd himself. That's pretty embarrassing. That's not a performance that can be rated so much higher than what Sphinx did.

dmills
Dude stop arguing that straw man. Did I say he kicked Galan's ass? No. Now you're interpolating your own hyperbole into the scene with "he was restraining him like a child" when its nowhere even implied in the depiction. It was evident in the scene that a struggle was the intent hence the quivering lines around them both. Again, I'm trying to get a grasp on his strength. You're talking about tiers and cosmetic damage to clothes and shyte.

Now focus with me. Do you get an idication of the sphinx's strength or not?

Originally posted by Stoic
Bro he did nothing to Galactus, it was really a no contest, and Galactus was merely restraining him the way a parent would restrain their 10 year old son. What Odin , and the Inbetweener did in their battles with Galactus, was a contest. It's clear as day that the Sphinx was far out of his league, and isn't even close to being in the same ballpark as Odin, Zeus, Inbetweener, or Galctus. Just look at the condition of Galactus, and look at the Sphinx.

CosmicComet
dmills peppering with the baby jabs, stoic with the wind up punches that are just grazing the guard.

the crowd is starting to get restless.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Dude stop arguing that straw man. Did I say he kicked Galan's ass? No. Now you're interpolating your own hyperbole into the scene with "he was restraining him like a child" when its nowhere even implied in the depiction. It was evident in the scene that a struggle was the intent hence the quivering lines around them both. Again, I'm trying to get a grasp on his strength. You're talking about tiers and cosmetic damage to clothes and shyte.

Now focus with me. Do you get an idication of the sphinx's strength or not?


I did not get the idea that Galactus was trying very hard. I retain the stance that Galactus was dealing with him with kids gloves, and even states what he thinks of the Spinx in terms of power. He even smiles at the Sphinx after putting him on his back.

I'm not sure what you are seeing, but what I saw was a no contest. The physical damage has a lot to do with how well the Sphinx held up to Galactus. If he were facing an opponent far less powerful than Galactus, he would not have been in the tattered, and worn state that he was in after Galactus humbled him.

Either way WB Hulk could have easily caused that amount of destruction that put the Sphinx down.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
I did not get the idea that Galactus was trying very hard. I retain the stance that Galactus was dealing with him with kids gloves, and even states what he thinks of the Spinx in terms of power. He even smiles at the Sphinx after putting him on his back.

I'm not sure what you are seeing, but what I saw was a no contest. The physical damage has a lot to do with how well the Sphinx held up to Galactus. If he were facing an opponent far less powerful than Galactus, he would not have been in the tattered, and worn state that he was in after Galactus humbled him.

Either way WB Hulk could have easily caused that amount of destruction that put the Sphinx down.

Amount of destruction? So your argument is essentially that because the planet didn't explode during their fight that wbh is capable of dishing out and by extension, absorbing that same kind of damage? To extrapolate a bit further, you must realize that you're also implying that Zeus was punching the puke outta the Hulk with rudimentary punches. I mean it must be so because the Earth wasn't blown to bits.

Also, wbh is an opponent far less powerful then Galactus. So I'm not sure where you were going with that one.

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
Amount of destruction? So your argument is essentially that because the planet didn't explode during their fight that wbh is capable of dishing out and by extension, absorbing that same kind of damage? To extrapolate a bit further, you must realize that you're also implying that Zeus was punching the puke outta the Hulk with rudimentary punches. I mean it must be so because the Earth wasn't blown to bits.

Also, wbh is an opponent far less powerful then Galactus. So I'm not sure where you were going with that one.

What I have been trying to say the entire time, is that the Sphinx was measured, and the measuring tape was Galactus. From what I saw of the Sphinx when he faced Galactus as opposed to when Galactus fought Odin, was that the Sphinx was not on Odin's level, or close to it. Odin was able to KO Galactus, while Galactus appeared to me to be playing with the Sphinx. Galan's battle may not have been portrayed as his battle was with the Sphinx, but the results that the writer was attempting to get across was that Odin is not that far below Galactus, as many may have once thought. The Sphinx however was.

I realize that you never attempted to say that the Spinx could beat galactus, and this was never my argument either. I was just trying to show the gap in power between a true Sky Father,and Galactus, as opposed to the gap between Galactus and the Sphinx.

We all know that the Hulk has variable levels of power, and the Hulk that fought Zeus was far below what he displayed during HOTM. This much is obvious. What I am saying, is that if the Sphinx with the same power level, and strength fought the Hulk of HOTM that it would be close, but me judging by power output alone, feel that the Hulk was stronger, and could over power the Sphinx if he had the same amount of strength as a giant, while being in a Hulk sized body.

I disagree completely that the Sphinx was on the level of Tyrant, Odin, or Zeus. The Hulk of HOTM was as well, and so yes I place him firmly in the same strength class that the giant Sphinx was in, when Galactus easily humbled him. I can't explain it any better than how I just did.

carver9
The Sphinx was amped during that scene against Galactus and was a couple of 100 ft tall. I wonder how that Sphinx would do against this Hulk.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901518/Incredible_Hulks_635_015.jpg.html

Let's not forget...a weaker Hulk than this one brushed off Heralds with his physical might and killed beings that Dormammu and Umar has had trouble with without even touching them. This version of Hulk should be able to do everything Sphinx did during his scuffle against Galactus but do it at a much better rate imo.

dmills
Originally posted by Stoic
What I have been trying to say the entire time, is that the Sphinx was measured, and the measuring tape was Galactus. From what I saw of the Sphinx when he faced Galactus as opposed to when Galactus fought Odin, was that the Sphinx was not on Odin's level, or close to it. Odin was able to KO Galactus, while Galactus appeared to me to be playing with the Sphinx. Galan's battle may not have been portrayed as his battle was with the Sphinx, but the results that the writer was attempting to get across was that Odin is not that far below Galactus, as many may have once thought. The Sphinx however was.

I realize that you never attempted to say that the Spinx could beat galactus, and this was never my argument either. I was just trying to show the gap in power between a true Sky Father,and Galactus, as opposed to the gap between Galactus and the Sphinx.

We all know that the Hulk has variable levels of power, and the Hulk that fought Zeus was far below what he displayed during HOTM. This much is obvious. What I am saying, is that if the Sphinx with the same power level, and strength fought the Hulk of HOTM that it would be close, but me judging by power output alone, feel that the Hulk was stronger, and could over power the Sphinx if he had the same amount of strength as a giant, while being in a Hulk sized body.

I disagree completely that the Sphinx was on the level of Tyrant, Odin, or Zeus. The Hulk of HOTM was as well, and so yes I place him firmly in the same strength class that the giant Sphinx was in, when Galactus easily humbled him. I can't explain it any better than how I just did.

But its a false comparison bro. As tempting as it is you can't project a mental non physical battle onto a purely physical one. It's apples and oranges. From a purely physical head on standpoint what evidence do you have to suggest that Zeus or Odin would've done any differently then the Sphinx against Galactus? In fact until the Hulk fight, we really didn't have a clear indication of what Zeus was even truly capable of physically. In fact, until that Hulk fight with Zeus, that was justification enough in some peoples eyes to suggest that the Hulk could take skyfathers in h2h. So using your approach, what justification do you have for placing Zeus so high up on a pedestal? Hell by that standard what -aside from title/office- makes Zeus appear to be on Odin's level? You see how many ways we can play this?


Bottomline is this. Let's cut the bullshit. Even in a losing effort it doesn't take a genius to extrapolate the Sphinx's physical strength from that encounter as it relates to this battle. I've posted scans of an unamped Sphinx. I've posted scans of classic Sphinx and I've posted scans of the Sphinx sans his ka stone. All of which depicted his base levels of strength as top tier or imo, slightly above top tier unless you want to sell me, say an average Thor catching the thing's hand mid blow and proceeding to crush it while monologing. I posted scans on how his power works, how vast that power is with mass reality/time warping etc.

The only thing that you've appeared to have done is desperately attempt to lowball the sphinx's feats because let's be real, if the Sphinx is anywhere near skyfather level then that's pretty much game over in this debate. I'm not going to fall into the trap of lowballing Zeus or Odin to try and make my point about the Sphinx. I don't have to.

Then there are the arguments about tiers and shyte. Again if your story is that the Sphinx is below skyfather level, then I need to see someone considered below that level warping reality on that scale. I mean M-day Wanda sure gets a lot of love in terms of tiers. Who'd she beat? Odin? Galactus? Or does she get a commonsense pass based upon her portrayal and her, gulp, power-set? Generally power-set isn't the end all in these debates, but some things are just so blatantly obvious that it supersedes the conventional. Massive reality/time manip is one such thing imo.

psycho gundam
did you make a sphinx respect thread btw?

dmills
Originally posted by psycho gundam
did you make a sphinx respect thread btw?

Nah. I was thinking of maybe asking ODG or maybe Bentley to help with one though. I figure it'll be maybe 3 pages of actual material since his appearances are so limited ya know?

Classic Sphinx
Post Xandar amp Sphinx
Depowered Sphinx
Merged Sphinx
Current Sphinx

Stoic
Originally posted by dmills
But its a false comparison bro. As tempting as it is you can't project a mental non physical battle onto a purely physical one. It's apples and oranges. From a purely physical head on standpoint what evidence do you have to suggest that Zeus or Odin would've done any differently then the Sphinx against Galactus? In fact until the Hulk fight, we really didn't have a clear indication of what Zeus was even truly capable of physically. In fact, until that Hulk fight with Zeus, that was justification enough in some peoples eyes to suggest that the Hulk could take skyfathers in h2h. So using your approach, what justification do you have for placing Zeus so high up on a pedestal? Hell by that standard what -aside from title/office- makes Zeus appear to be on Odin's level? You see how many ways we can play this?


Bottomline is this. Let's cut the bullshit. Even in a losing effort it doesn't take a genius to extrapolate the Sphinx's physical strength from that encounter as it relates to this battle. I've posted scans of an unamped Sphinx. I've posted scans of classic Sphinx and I've posted scans of the Sphinx sans his ka stone. All of which depicted his base levels of strength as top tier or imo, slightly above top tier unless you want to sell me, say an average Thor catching the thing's hand mid blow and proceeding to crush it while monologing. I posted scans on how his power works, how vast that power is with mass reality/time warping etc.

The only thing that you've appeared to have done is desperately attempt to lowball the sphinx's feats because let's be real, if the Sphinx is anywhere near skyfather level then that's pretty much game over in this debate. I'm not going to fall into the trap of lowballing Zeus or Odin to try and make my point about the Sphinx. I don't have to.

Then there are the arguments about tiers and shyte. Again if your story is that the Sphinx is below skyfather level, then I need to see someone considered below that level warping reality on that scale. I mean M-day Wanda sure gets a lot of love in terms of tiers. Who'd she beat? Odin? Galactus? Or does she get a commonsense pass based upon her portrayal and her, gulp, power-set? Generally power-set isn't the end all in these debates, but some things are just so blatantly obvious that it supersedes the conventional. Massive reality/time manip is one such thing imo.


This is a fist fight. Gladiator could catch the Things punch and crush it, that's not me low balling, that's what has been depicted. The Hulk ignored punches from high level class 100's in Wendigo and Bi-Beast. Wendigo for example held off both the Savage Hulk, and Sasquatch, while the Savage Hulk was never quite able to defeat Bi-Beast. Next we see those same two transformed into giants multiplied 1000x their base strength level, and being casually punked and thrown into the upper atmosphere as forcefully directed cruise missiles aimed at Arm'Cheddon's battle fortress.

The Hulk at that period in time was playing with them, and still did not go into full blown WB Mode as he said that he was still holding back. Then we see how strong he becomes in the Dark Dimension, and capable of growing stronger yet, because we still have not seen the Hulk's max strength yield. There is no proof that Zeus, Odin, or Tyrant are more powerful in terms of strength than the Sphinx, but the Odin headbutt was physical, and it put Galactus out for a little while, which is far more than the Sphinx was capable of doing.

You may have seen the Sphinx give Galactus a hard time, but what I saw was a humiliation, and public flogging. In other words Galactus beat his ass convincingly enough for me to call it a no contest.

Back on point, I believe as I said before that if the Sphinx had the same strength level as he did when he fought Galactus, but was within a smaller physique, that he would give HOTM Hulk a very good fight, but based on what I saw in terms of destructive feats, and that the Hulk's strength was still not capped, that the Hulk would defeat him. This has nothing to do with time warps, reality warps or any of the other powers that the Sphinx boasts. This is a H2H contest after all.

Horrificus
Originally posted by psycho gundam
adding to the ben grimm ain't shit theme

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/thingsundaypunchhulk.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulktthing3.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_hulkthing4.jpg Dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will somebody PLEASE do something about Ben Grimm??!!

The guys been getting beaten up for decades and nobody will lend a hand and power the dude up somehow! Give the guy a "Stone", or a "Weapon", or some "Wrist Bands", or, or ANYTHING for God's sake!

CosmicComet
people love seeing rocks get smashed though.

Horrificus
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Seriously?

The guy stomped Terrax out when Terrax was written well (and was still fresh as a herald).
The guy was backed by a planet sized computer... and the Ka Stone. Why the hell would he not be able to destroy a world? Why would he have to? This is true.
The Sphinx was on his way to becoming one of the real cosmic dominators of marvel. He wasn't just "The Mad Thinker" with a new gadget.

Besides the outcome of his fight with Galactus, he was obviously seen as a Galactus-level threat.

Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't run into the big G so soon after his ascension?
That is definitely a rough match to have for one of your first fights.

JakeTheBank
I'd be pissed if The Ben got an amp, tbh.

Horrificus
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd be pissed if The Ben got an amp, tbh. I think I may have actually created a thread a long time ago, concerning Ben, if he had some sort of character change that gave him heavy martial arts.

I thought that, even if his basic profile stayed the same, with his upper-tier strength, if he moved toward high level martial artist, it would have been cool to see him contend with the "bigger-boys".

I got the idea from when he was in that super-powered wrestling league, or whatever it was.

dmills
Originally posted by Horrificus
This is true.
The Sphinx was on his way to becoming one of the real cosmic dominators of marvel. He wasn't just "The Mad Thinker" with a new gadget.

Besides the outcome of his fight with Galactus, he was obviously seen as a Galactus-level threat.

Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't run into the big G so soon after his ascension?
That is definitely a rough match to have for one of your first fights.

That's how I see it tbh. At that point the Sphinx hadn't even exhibited Reality or Time manipulation. I'd like to see how he'd have done with a little more seasoning. Either way It's an interesting plot that a writer can visit if they wanted to.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd be pissed if The Ben got an amp, tbh. he's been steadily getting stronger over the decades. he began at like 5 tons, struggled, but managed to clean and jerk one of wonderman's training barbells that weighed 400 tons back in the 70's, to now where his strength is indeterminate, but nothing like say thor's. he can probably lift in the several hundreds of thousands of tons max.

reed said his body would continue to mutate and get more powerful, but of coarse he will never be one of the true big boys (pause), but then again it would be weird for him to be in that category cause it goes against his character in a way.

i'd like him to be more durable however, that at least would sort of make up for his lesser strength by keeping in the fight longer.

dmills
Originally posted by psycho gundam
he's been steadily getting stronger over the decades. he began at like 5 tons, struggled, but managed to clean and jerk one of wonderman's training barbells that weighed 400 tons back in the 70's, to now where his strength is indeterminate, but nothing like say thor's. he can probably lift in the several hundreds of thousands of tons max.

reed said his body would continue to mutate and get more powerful, but of coarse he will never be one of the true big boys (pause), but then again it would be weird for him to be in that category cause it goes against his character in a way.

i'd like him to be more durable however, that at least would sort of make up for his lesser strength by keeping in the fight longer.

Hasn't he had dome good Showings vs Namor in the past?

psycho gundam
namor doesn't really have "high herald" strength though

Horrificus
Originally posted by psycho gundam
he's been steadily getting stronger over the decades. he began at like 5 tons, struggled, but managed to clean and jerk one of wonderman's training barbells that weighed 400 tons back in the 70's, to now where his strength is indeterminate, but nothing like say thor's. he can probably lift in the several hundreds of thousands of tons max.

reed said his body would continue to mutate and get more powerful, but of coarse he will never be one of the true big boys (pause), but then again it would be weird for him to be in that category cause it goes against his character in a way.

i'd like him to be more durable however, that at least would sort of make up for his lesser strength by keeping in the fight longer. Ben can lift several hundreds of thousands of tons?
What are you talking about?

carver9
Originally posted by Horrificus
Ben can lift several hundreds of thousands of tons?
What are you talking about?

He's lifted a skyscraper before.

dmills
Any way, Carver, is the sphinx even allowed to amp in this fight?

janus77
Hulk wins.

Horrificus
Originally posted by carver9
He's lifted a skyscraper before. And you aren't talking about Pineapple Thing?
Wow.

carver9
Originally posted by dmills
Any way, Carver, is the sphinx even allowed to amp in this fight?

Yeah...it wouldn't be fare since Hulk powers is to amp as well.

Horrificus
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah...it wouldn't be fare since Hulk powers is to amp as well. I was looking at an ad for Avengers/X-men today and it showed Ben facing off with Piotr.

I was thinking, if Pete has the Juggernaut power, why would they showcase THAT fight?

dmills
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah...it wouldn't be fare since Hulk powers is to amp as well.

Ok. Then yeah, Anath-Na wins.

dmills
Originally posted by Horrificus
I was looking at an ad for Avengers/X-men today and it showed Ben facing off with Piotr.

I was thinking, if Pete has the Juggernaut power, why would they showcase THAT fight?

Prolly to showcase Pete using Grimm as a punching bag.

Horrificus
Originally posted by dmills
Prolly to showcase Pete using Grimm as a punching bag. No respect for poor Ben.

Someday, he'll show you all!!










laughing

carver9
Originally posted by Horrificus
I was looking at an ad for Avengers/X-men today and it showed Ben facing off with Piotr.

I was thinking, if Pete has the Juggernaut power, why would they showcase THAT fight?

Thing should do well just like he does well against other top tiers but he should drop eventually.

Horrificus
Originally posted by carver9
Thing should do well just like he does well against other top tiers but he should drop eventually. Yeah. But, it would be nice to see him win one against one of the big boys for once.

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