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Anything goes. Fight starts out on Earth.

Sersi wins via bfring.

Spite? WBH could probably resist it.

Originally posted by Deadline
Spite? WBH could probably resist it.

Can he resist being turned into a tree?

Originally posted by Deadline
Spite? WBH could probably resist it.

based on what? has he ever resisted teleportation before? i know odin and thor have both teleported him against his will.

Yo.

adamantium chains = Sersi FTW




Tazer

Sersi can only win via BFR. otherwise she gets killed via thunderclap.

So, she can't win by turning his blood into metal/acid/poison or filling his lungs with adamantium?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, she can't win by turning his blood into metal/acid/poison or filling his lungs with adamantium?

No. The weakest Hulk incarnation was turned to stone and reversed this in a panel or two. A far weaker Hulk was shrunk to the size of a smurf and over came this in a panel.

Originally posted by carver9
No. The weakest Hulk incarnation was turned to stone and reversed this in a panel or two. A far weaker Hulk was shrunk to the size of a smurf and over came this in a panel.

How do you overcome having your lungs filled with adamantium?

Originally posted by Silent Master
How do you overcome having your lungs filled with adamantium?

Just like he overcame having his entire body turned to stone. Show me her doing this to someone.

Originally posted by carver9
Just like he overcame having his entire body turned to stone. Show me her doing this to someone.

I don't think his resistance to the effects of transmutation would extend to the air that is inside of his lungs....as the air isn't actually a part of him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't think his resistance to the effects of transmutation would extend to the air that is inside of his lungs....as the air isn't actually a part of him.

What's the point of filling his lungs up when WWH/WBH doesn't need to breath?

If that is true, you should have started with that argument.

Why wouldn't Tazer's adamantium chains tactic work?

Originally posted by Silent Master
If that is true, you should have started with that argument.

Why wouldn't Tazer's adamantium chains tactic work?

Because a weaker Hulk has ripped Adamantium like tissue paper. That's why.

Hulk ripping Adamantium like tissue paper...did it with one hand. After this he crushed Uru like it was a boulder against a grain of salt.

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Serpent-amped Hulk (Nul) =/= WBH. Just saying.

What else ya got Silent? You know you never give up.

Work won't let me enlarge the scans, which of the 3 shows him ripping adamantium apart?

Originally posted by Galan007
Serpent-amped Hulk (Nul) =/= WBH. Just saying.

Serpent amped Hulk is weaker than WBH by on panel proof from Hulks own mouth. He is Hulk and nothing goes against this. Just saying.

Originally posted by carver9
from Hulks own mouth. Hulk said: "WBH>Nul"?

Originally posted by Galan007
Hulk said: "WBH>Nul"?

No, Hulk said him and Nul are one of the same and even brought up the fact that he would kill Nul if he wasn't afraid of them possibly merging again.

Also, looking at on panel proof, WBH>>>Nul and there isn't a single showing going against this.

WWH possibly equal to or greater than Nul.

As I still can't enlarge the pics, what is to stop Sersi from say, making the admantium chains much thicker than whatever the Hulk broke.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As I still can't enlarge the pics, what is to stop Sersi from say, making the admantium chains much thicker than whatever the Hulk broke.

If he can easily rip adamantium without strain, what is making it thicker going to do? He ripped it with one hand.

Originally posted by carver9
If he can easily rip adamantium without strain, what is making it thicker going to do? He ripped it with one hand.

Can you break a pencil with one hand?

Not that it wasn't impressive. But a net is kind of thin compared to a chain. And Nul is an amped Hulk so he is > WBH

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Not that it wasn't impressive. But a net is kind of thin compared to a chain. And Nul is an amped Hulk so he is > WBH

Nul is an amped Hulk but that doesn't automatically put him above all Hulks. War Hulk was an amped Hulk (that I would put above Nul) who was amped off of Celestial tech and it was stated on panel that WWH was the most powerful Hulk to ever walk the planet which basically includes War Hulk "who was amped off of Celestial tech". Hulk can't be amped since he doesn't have a cap on his strength. His versatility did increase though.

Almost forgot to add...ripping adamantium is ripping adamantium...no matter how thick it is. Adamantium is indestructible "no matter what".

Originally posted by carver9
Almost forgot to add...ripping adamantium is ripping adamantium...no latter how thick it is. Adamantium is indestructible "no matter what".

And ripping paper is ripping paper....no matter how thick.

So feel free to post a clip of you ripping the New York phone book in half.

Originally posted by Silent Master
And ripping paper is ripping paper....no matter how thick.

So feel free to post a clip of you ripping the New York phone book in half.

If she up the stakes on the thickness of the adamantium then Hulk would up his strength. I have a cap on my strength but Hulk doesnt.

Originally posted by carver9
If she up the stakes on the thickness of the adamantium then Hulk would up his strength. I have a cap on my strength but Hulk doesnt.

And you can prove that the Hulk can get 5, 10, 20 etc times stronger than he was in your scans?

Originally posted by Silent Master
And you can prove that the Hulk can get 5, 10, 20 etc times stronger than he was in your scans?

Yes...WBH, the most powerful incarnation of the Hulks went from 0 (Bruce Banner) to Super Saiyan in one panel.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094156/Incredible_Hulks_632_012.jpg.html

Going from Banner to the Hulk isn't proof that he can go from WB Hulk to Super WB Hulk.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Going from Banner to the Hulk isn't proof that he can go from WB Hulk to Super WB Hulk.

He went from Banner to WBH in one panel. What more proof do you need. That's like Superman going from Clark to OWAW Sun dip Superman in one panel.

If you're going to claim that WB Hulk is going to get ___ times stronger, then you need to show WB Hulk getting ___ times stronger.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you're going to claim that WB Hulk is going to get ___ times stronger, then you need to show WB Hulk getting ___ times stronger.

Why would I need to prove a negative? How about you prove that adamantium is more indestructible when its thicken. Then I want you to prove that she is capable of creating adamantium.

Sersi creating adamantium

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4861/sersi2.png

Originally posted by Silent Master
Sersi creating adamantium

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4861/sersi2.png

Where is the adamantium? I don't see it.

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
No, Hulk said him and Nul are one of the same and even brought up the fact that he would kill Nul if he wasn't afraid of them possibly merging again.

Also, looking at on panel proof, WBH>>>Nul and there isn't a single showing going against this.

Im sorry, how does Hulk saying Nul & he "are the same" come to mean Nul <<< WBH in str??




Tazer

Nul is not stronger than WBH at all. The mere notion of such considering their respective feats is flat out ridiculous........

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



Im sorry, how does Hulk saying Nul & he "are the same" come to mean Nul <<< WBH in str??




Tazer = what I was wondering as well...

Originally posted by Galan007
Serpent-amped Hulk (Nul) =/= WBH. Just saying.

No, not according to on panel feats.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Nul is not stronger than WBH at all. The mere notion of such considering their respective feats is flat out ridiculous........

My question is what stops the Hulk from jumping at Sersi faster than she can think, and ending this before she could blink? She has lost to far weaker opponents than WB Hulk.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



Im sorry, how does Hulk saying Nul & he "are the same" come to mean Nul <<< WBH in str??




Tazer

WBH is the strongest Hulk that has appeared in a comic. You asking me this is insane. Nul did nothing to suggest he is even a fraction of WBH. WWH>>Nul.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH is the strongest that has appeared in a comic. You asking me this is insane. Nul did nothing to suggest he is even a fraction of WBH. WWH>>Nul.


I tend to agree with this since in Nul's case he did not seem to have the ability to amplify the way even the Savage Hulk could. Who was in the drivers seat anyways? If it was Nul, and not Banner, then I don't see him as being any more powerful than Merged Hulk with a mystical hammer.

Nul...


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A mild WBH. Armageddon is more powerful than anyone Nul faced in those scans and he couldn't even damage Hulk.

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Originally posted by Stoic
I tend to agree with this since in Nul's case he did not seem to have the ability to amplify the way even the Savage Hulk could. Who was in the drivers seat anyways? If it was Nul, and not Banner, then I don't see him as being any more powerful than Merged Hulk with a mystical hammer.

That's what Im saying. Nul isn't more powerful than WWH and he sure as hell isn't more powerful than WBH.

Originally posted by Stoic
Merged Hulk with a mystical hammer.

Merged Hulk was portrayed on a level above Savage Hulk prior to the Savage Banner inhibition. Just saying.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Merged Hulk was portrayed on a level above Savage Hulk prior to the Savage Banner inhibition. Just saying.


Yep very true, he was stated as being 2x the Savage Hulk at base, but he was not capable of amplifying the way that the Savage Hulk was able to, thus in the long run (5-10 minutes) Savage Hulk would be able to blow right past Merged Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH is the strongest Hulk that has appeared in a comic. You asking me this is insane. Nul did nothing to suggest he is even a fraction of WBH. WWH>>Nul. You commented that WBH "stated" he was superior to Nul... Either post that "statement", or accept that you tend to 'fib' in Hulk-related threads.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yep very true, he was stated as being 2x the Savage Hulk at base, but he was not capable of amplifying the way that the Savage Hulk was able to, thus in the long run (5-10 minutes) Savage Hulk would be able to blow right past Merged Hulk.

Disagreed. From what I remember, Merged Hulk was consistently portrayed as above Savage Hulk in stats and he was very much capable of raging out. He just didn't have to be completely out of it to shoot up in stats, very similar to Green Scar's calm rage think. As a matter of fact, that factor was introduced by PAD (Creator of the Merged incarnation).

The entire premise behind the Savage Banner was that he would get too angry and strong, and as a result change.

Originally posted by Galan007
You commented that WBH "stated" he was superior to Nul... Either post that "statement", or accept that you tend to 'fib' in Hulk-related threads.

I never said WBH said this...I said "Hulk" said this...WWH. Nul isnt below WBH...now let's move on to the battle.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said WBH said this...I said "Hulk" said this...WWH. When did WWH "state" he was superior to Nul?

Originally posted by Galan007
When did WWH "state" he was superior to Nul?

I already explained this to you. How about you show some fts that put Nul over WBH.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Disagreed. From what I remember, Merged Hulk was consistently portrayed as above Savage Hulk in stats and he was very much capable of raging out. He just didn't have to be completely out of it to shoot up in stats, very similar to Green Scar's calm rage think. As a matter of fact, that factor was introduced by PAD (Creator of the Merged incarnation).

The entire premise behind the Savage Banner was that he would get too angry and strong, and as a result change.

Again I agree with you, but the Savage Hulk did not have these limitations. On paper Sav. Hulk would be capable of eventually exceeding merged Hulk because of the clause that you mentioned with him reverting to human.

Again, I'm not disputing who the most powerful of two incarnations were, but the idea that the Savage Hulk would have never had the issues that merged Hulk had when he fought Simon has me feeling that Savage Hulk in the long run is superior. The key here is "in the long run".

This is who Nul reminded me of. A Hulk that was incapable of digging as deep as WW Hulk or WB Hulk, and do it at will.

Originally posted by Stoic
Again I agree with you, but the Savage Hulk did not have these limitations. On paper Sav. Hulk would be capable of eventually exceeding merged Hulk because of the clause that you mentioned with him reverting to human.

Again, I'm not disputing who the most powerful of two incarnations were, but the idea that the Savage Hulk would have never had the issues that merged Hulk had when he fought Simon has me feeling that Savage Hulk in the long run is superior. The key here is "in the long run".

I'm referring to the Merged Hulk before the Savage Banner limitation. You do realize that this clause was introduced pretty late into PAD's run right?

For the large majority, Merged Hulk was Savage Hulk except smarter, stronger, better damage soak, more cunning etc. on top of possessing Savage Hulk's ever increasing strength. Merged Hulk would have beaten down Savage Hulk sooner or later from what I remember of PAD's run and how he compared to Savage in performance.

Originally posted by Stoic
This is who Nul reminded me of. A Hulk that was incapable of digging as deep as WW Hulk or WB Hulk, and do it at will.
He was very capable of raging out, it simply took more pressure to push him over the edge but that was alright because he had a higher base. His basically Green Scar but less powerful. Just because he isn't foaming at the mouth doesn't mean he isn't getting stronger.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm referring to the Merged Hulk before the Savage Banner limitation. You do realize that this clause was introduced pretty late into PAD's run right?

For the large majority, Merged Hulk was Savage Hulk except smarter, stronger, better damage soak, more cunning etc. on top of possessing Savage Hulk's ever increasing strength. Merged Hulk would have beaten down Savage Hulk sooner or later from what I remember of PAD's run and how he compared to Savage in performance.


He was very capable of raging out, it simply took more pressure to push him over the edge but that was alright because he had a higher base. His basically Green Scar but less powerful. Just because he isn't foaming at the mouth doesn't mean he isn't getting stronger.

Who do you consider more powerful, Merge Hulk or Nul?

In practice, I doubt either Nul or World War Hulk would be more powerful than Merged based on the levels his operated at. On paper, I guess the later incarnations would be more powerful, upgrades and all that, but paper =/= practice at times.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In practice, I doubt either Nul or World War Hulk would be more powerful than Merged based on the levels his operated at. On paper, I guess the later incarnations would be more powerful, upgrades and all that, but paper =/= practice at times.

Who did Merge Hulk beat that puts him so high up the chart.

I'm not going to get into this right now Carver, unfortunately I don't have the time, but if you're interested, I'm sure you can read up on the character. I recommend PAD's run, it was pretty good. If you consider Onslaught Saga and Post Heroes-Reborn Hulk as Merged, you should pick those up as well, he has a few showings in those that I know you love.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not going to get into this right now Carver, unfortunately I don't have the time, but if you're interested, I'm sure you can read up on the character. I recommend PAD's run, it was pretty good. If you consider Onslaught Saga and Post Heroes-Reborn Hulk as Merged, you should pick those up as well, he has a few showings in those that I know you love.

I seen his showings...I'm asking you what stood out to "Rage". I wouldnt put him above WWH.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In practice, I doubt either Nul or World War Hulk would be more powerful than Merged based on the levels his operated at. On paper, I guess the later incarnations would be more powerful, upgrades and all that, but paper =/= practice at times.

What happened in NYC was the result of the levels that WW Hulk could attain. WB Hulk is in fact WW Hulk at a higher level, which was also stated throughout the Planet Hulk run. In my opinion judging be the feats attained in the Planet Hulk arc, the Hulk's power was nerfed during the WW Hulk storyline. I know that i don't have to bring up how horribly written that rag was. Even if we were to take what may or may not have been a Merged Hulk feat into consideration (Onslaught getting broken). Was that truly the Merged Hulk, or another version of the Mindless Hulk? I'm thinking that it was the latter based on the fact the Jean took Banner out of the equation. In my opinion even the mindless Hulk was inferior to WW Hulk at the height of his power which happened at the very end of WW Hulk.

It doesn't matter since it was stated too many times that WWH was the most powerful Hulk to walk the planet and this includes everyone before him. Pak made it clear that WWH was above any Hulk that ever existed before him and that includes Mindless Hulk and War Hulk AND Nul.

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There are more but I'm guessing this should be enough. It's clear what Pak was trying to say about WWH.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Anything goes. Fight starts out on Earth. Anything goes? WBH disintegrates her with gamma projection before she can use violent transmutation tacics then.

nul is more powerful than hammerless hulk simply for the fact that he could presumably still go worldbreaker with the hammer in his hands (if he doesn't accidentally crush it)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
nul is more powerful than hammerless hulk simply for the fact that he could presumably still go worldbreaker with the hammer in his hands (if he doesn't accidentally crush it)

But he never went World Breaker or anything close to it. What Nul showed us onpanel doesn't represent him as one of the more powerful Hulks (WWH, WBH, War Hulk, Mindless Hulk).

Originally posted by psycho gundam
nul is more powerful than hammerless hulk simply for the fact that he could presumably still go worldbreaker with the hammer in his hands (if he doesn't accidentally crush it)

Not sure if I can go with this. Did Nul ever show the ability to amplify his strength? If so was it at the rate at which WW Hulk could ramp up?

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH is the strongest Hulk that has appeared in a comic. You asking me this is insane. Nul did nothing to suggest he is even a fraction of WBH. WWH>>Nul.

I dont know about that: if we take Nuls tearing of woven adamantium as legit then that should certainly put him in the ballpark..........unless U have a feat of WBH or WWH similarly affecting something greater?

Originally posted by carver9
That's what Im saying. Nul isn't more powerful than WWH and he sure as hell isn't more powerful than WBH.

tbch Im not seeing a whole lot of diff between WWH & WBH, given that Hulk never actually broke the world; cracked the ground/made a big fissure w/little effort (less than we would normally have seen to do the same) sure, but theres no measurement done to show the diff between WWH & WBH (beyond fandom name-swapping), nor those 2 and Nul.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said WBH said this...I said "Hulk" said this...WWH. Nul isnt below WBH...now let's move on to the battle.

Im going to assume U mis-spoke here and didnt mean to say the underlined, as that runs counter to yur previous 2 comments above.......yes?




Tazer

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you're going to claim that WB Hulk is going to get ___ times stronger, then you need to show WB Hulk getting ___ times stronger.

A weaker version of the Hulk was able to amp his strength strong enough to lift the super adaptoid that made himself as heavy as a mountain.

Yo.

^^^ let me guess: the S-A said "You cant do that!! I...Im as heavy as (either simply 'a mountain', or he inserted a named mountain range)!!", or something to that effect, as hulk picked it up?

thats kinda "ehhh........" as a feat to me.




Tazer

Let's see so far carver, you keep just saying that Nul was weaker than WWH or WBH without any real evidence. Only the fact if its not the case then it ruins all your theories and power level arguments. That seems to be your primary motivation for those statements.

For instance you've said that Nul Hulk destroyed Adamantium therefore a stronger version of Hulk will do it, but that only works if Nul is in fact weaker.

The same Worthy Hulk destroyed enchanted Uru which was also very impressive. So here's an idea prove all these other versions of Hulk could do something similar to that. So WWH Hulk or WBH breaking Adamantium or enchanted Uru.

He also took far less damage then WWH did when Nul Hulk was walking through the Vampire nation and taking some similar attacks to what he took in WWH.

I mean you want to sit here say Hulk really didn't get amped except for versatility but the fact is every single person with a hammer got an amp. I mean it allowed Attuma to tangle with the Silver Surfer. That's a pretty impressive boost.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



I dont know about that: if we take Nuls tearing of woven adamantium as legit then that should certainly put him in the ballpark..........unless U have a feat of WBH or WWH similarly affecting something greater?



tbch Im not seeing a whole lot of diff between WWH & WBH, given that Hulk never actually broke the world; cracked the ground/made a big fissure w/little effort (less than we would normally have seen to do the same) sure, but theres no measurement done to show the diff between WWH & WBH (beyond fandom name-swapping), nor those 2 and Nul.
?




Tazer

Err WBH did destroy the dark dimension planet in IH 634,damage a nearby moon, along with killing several class 100 (Wendigo,Bi-beast, Armcheddon,) characters, an amped Fing fang foom, and the entire race of mindless ones just as an aftereffect of his collission with Betty..that happened in mid air...To say that u dont see the difference between that and WWH or that in Nul is................just baffling quite frankly. Nul breaking an adamantium net quite frankly doesnt hold a candle to what WBH actually did.

Seriously to even suggest Nul is anywhere close to WBH strengthwise is ludicrous and demands willful ignoring of the comic

Originally posted by Newjak
Let's see so far carver, you keep just saying that Nul was weaker than WWH or WBH without any real evidence. Only the fact if its not the case then it ruins all your theories and power level arguments. That seems to be your primary motivation for those statements.

For instance you've said that Nul Hulk destroyed Adamantium therefore a stronger version of Hulk will do it, but that only works if Nul is in fact weaker.

The same Worthy Hulk destroyed enchanted Uru which was also very impressive. So here's an idea prove all these other versions of Hulk could do something similar to that. So WWH Hulk or WBH breaking Adamantium or enchanted Uru.

He also took far less damage then WWH did when Nul Hulk was walking through the Vampire nation and taking some similar attacks to what he took in WWH.

I mean you want to sit here say Hulk really didn't get amped except for versatility but the fact is every single person with a hammer got an amp. I mean it allowed Attuma to tangle with the Silver Surfer. That's a pretty impressive boost.

Read my post on this page with the pretty pictures.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=562158&pagenumber=3

Nul did NOTHING to suggest he is on WWH or WBH leveks except get his a** handed to him. These same people couldn't even BUDGE WWH let alone cause him any damage like they did to Nul. Nul ripping adamantium and Uru...very impressive, kind of remind me of a weakened WWH holding a planet together or a WWH that just got through battling a team that consistently toyed with his powers over powering Juggernaut enchantment by stopping his unstoppable movement (WWH did this). WWH was ripping through Herc face like tissue paper...ripped Sentry face up with a single punch. He was doing things with his fist that no other Herald that has faced him accomplished.


As for WBH...HAHAHAHAHAHA, he was melting Heralds just by punching at other objects. Lol...he was tanking their attacks without even moving. Nul wouldnt even needed to swing his hammer to take over the Vampire nation if he was as powerful as WBH...the same guy who thunderclapped a dimensional barrier down that was put up by Umar.

I know you want to make yow buddy Thor look good but this isn't the way to do it.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

^^^ let me guess: the S-A said "You cant do that!! I...Im as heavy as (either simply 'a mountain', or he inserted a named mountain range)!!", or something to that effect, as hulk picked it up?

thats kinda "ehhh........" as a feat to me.




Tazer

Even if you don't know the exact weight he was obvoulsy extremely heavy, very quickly.

Anyway Naja has better proof just throwing that one out, could probably give better examples if I had time.

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Destroys Umar dimensional barrier with a thunder clap.

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I forgot to mention...Nul didn't break the Uru hammer, it was Hulk since he was already free of the Serpent possession.

Originally posted by Newjak
Let's see so far carver, you keep just saying that Nul was weaker than WWH or WBH without any real evidence. Only the fact if its not the case then it ruins all your theories and power level arguments. That seems to be your primary motivation for those statements.

For instance you've said that Nul Hulk destroyed Adamantium therefore a stronger version of Hulk will do it, but that only works if Nul is in fact weaker.

The same Worthy Hulk destroyed enchanted Uru which was also very impressive. So here's an idea prove all these other versions of Hulk could do something similar to that. So WWH Hulk or WBH breaking Adamantium or enchanted Uru.

He also took far less damage then WWH did when Nul Hulk was walking through the Vampire nation and taking some similar attacks to what he took in WWH.

I mean you want to sit here say Hulk really didn't get amped except for versatility but the fact is every single person with a hammer got an amp. I mean it allowed Attuma to tangle with the Silver Surfer. That's a pretty impressive boost. Even despite all this it flat out states he's amped on panel. Carver ignores it all and just makes things up without any evidence to even suggest a semi reasonable stance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Even despite all this it flat out states he's amped on panel. Carver ignores it all and just makes things up without any evidence to even suggest a semi reasonable stance.

It stated he was more powerful than your AVERAGE Hulk. Nul is more powerful than the AVERAGE Hulk. That's not what I am disputing. War Hulk was more powerful than your average Hulk as well and WWH was stated on panel as being more powerful than this Hulk and War Hulk was a Hulk amped off of Celestial power.

Originally posted by carver9
It stated he was more powerful than your AVERAGE Hulk. Nul is more powerful than the AVERAGE Hulk. That's not what I am disputing. War Hulk was more powerful than your average Hulk as well and WWH was stated on panel as being more powerful than this Hulk and War Hulk was a Hulk amped off of Celestial power. It comes down to interpretation. Nul Hulk came after WW Hulk so no there was never a direct comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It comes down to interpretation. Nul Hulk came after WW Hulk so no there was never a direct comparison.

You need proof that Nul Hulk was more powerful than WBH, there isn't any.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It comes down to interpretation. Nul Hulk came after WW Hulk so no there was never a direct comparison.

Huh? Savage Hulk appeared again after WWH but that doesn't mean he is more powerful. Your logic fails and WWH isn't an AVERAGE Hulk, no matter how you look at it. WWH is the most powerful Hulk going by on panel proof which basically excludes him from being an AVERAGE Hulk.



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This isn't hard to comprehend Quan.

Originally posted by Deadline
You need proof that Nul Hulk was more powerful than WBH, there isn't any. I said WW Hulk not WB Hulk. W and B aren't the same letter.

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Savage Hulk appeared again after WWH but that doesn't mean he is more powerful. Your logic fails and WWH isn't an AVERAGE Hulk, no matter how you look at it. WWH is the most powerful Hulk going by on panel proof which basically excludes him from being an AVERAGE Hulk.



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This isn't hard to comprehend Quan. Savage Hulk also appeared before WW Hulk so it applied to that version not a future version. You never make any sense. Ever.

Nul got CRUSHED by the Avengers...hell, Ms. Marvel overpowered him TWICE and Spider Woman punches was knocking chunks of flesh off of him.



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Hulk was standing in front of a more powerful team...WWH, and they pissed on themselves. WWH even tells them in their face that they can't do anything to him and Ms. marvel was one of the people (the same one that was tossing Nul around).


http://m980.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/ankur2292/IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html?o=77

Then they all attack Skaar and they can't even move him out of his spot with all of their attacks (remember, this is the same team that faced Nul INCLUDING extra powerhouses).

http://m980.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/ankur2292/IncredibleHulk611008.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=IncredibleHulk611008.jpg

Guess what Hulk does, he overpower this same amped Skaar with one hand and mock his strength. WWH>>Nul.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Savage Hulk also appeared before WW Hulk so it applied to that version not a future version. You never make any sense. Ever.

You are not making sense. It's no such thing as before and after with Hulk since his powers fluctuates.

Originally posted by carver9
Read my post on this page with the pretty pictures.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=562158&pagenumber=3

Nul did NOTHING to suggest he is on WWH or WBH leveks except get his a** handed to him. These same people couldn't even BUDGE WWH let alone cause him any damage like they did to Nul. Nul ripping adamantium and Uru...very impressive, kind of remind me of a weakened WWH holding a planet together or a WWH that just got through battling a team that consistently toyed with his powers over powering Juggernaut enchantment by stopping his unstoppable movement (WWH did this). WWH was ripping through Herc face like tissue paper...ripped Sentry face up with a single punch. He was doing things with his fist that no other Herald that has faced him accomplished.


As for WBH...HAHAHAHAHAHA, he was melting Heralds just by punching at other objects. Lol...he was tanking their attacks without even moving. Nul wouldnt even needed to swing his hammer to take over the Vampire nation if he was as powerful as WBH...the same guy who thunderclapped a dimensional barrier down that was put up by Umar.

I know you want to make yow buddy Thor look good but this isn't the way to do it. I already read that post and it pretty much is the samething you always say.

And at the end of the day you still can't show a scan of WBH Hulk destroying admantium.

Secondly there is one flat out lie in your statement. WWH Hulk never stopped Juggernaut's forward momentum only managed to redirect it somewhat even though in the scans he is still clearly getting pushed back if you look at his feet. Heck the only way Hulk manages to get rid of Cain is to move out of the way so that Cain BFRed himself.

And WWH got tore up by a lot of things like Adamantium bullets. Heck during the WWH stuff he was getting hurt by things Savage Hulk has shrugged off. Some of the same stuff Nul Hulk walked through during his fight with the Vampire Nation.

As for the rest are you really sitting there acting like Nul Hulk couldn't have destroyed the planet if he wanted to... He could have he just didn't, know why because if he did he would have destroyed his Master's fear supply.

Also that generally happens all the time when someone fights on Earth. Look at the Silver Surfer his fights have casually destroyed planets and opened up Black Holes. Why doesn't that always happen in his big fights because then there wouldn't be an earth left.

Look at Beta Ray Bill he has destroyed planets and fought much more powerful people then anything WBH did in his arc yet when it comes to earth Bill isn't casually destroyed planets.

Your logic is flawed.

Now let's see what type of punches WWH can take...lol. Rulk absorbs so much of WWH power that he starts glowing...hell, he absorb so much of Hulk power that he is capable of punching Hulk so hard that it creates a Nuclear explosion.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8339/hulk2401718.jpg
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Hulk tanked that sh** and didn't suffer near the damage Nul suffered against some Metas and the beauty of it is, he wasn't even phased by this attack by reading his words.

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4844/hulk24020.jpg

Originally posted by Newjak
I already read that post and it pretty much is the samething you always say.

And at the end of the day you still can't show a scan of WBH Hulk destroying admantium.

Secondly there is one flat out lie in your statement. WWH Hulk never stopped Juggernaut's forward momentum only managed to redirect it somewhat even though in the scans he is still clearly getting pushed back if you look at his feet. Heck the only way Hulk manages to get rid of Cain is to move out of the way so that Cain BFRed himself.

And WWH got tore up by a lot of things like Adamantium bullets. Heck during the WWH stuff he was getting hurt by things Savage Hulk has shrugged off. Some of the same stuff Nul Hulk walked through during his fight with the Vampire Nation.

As for the rest are you really sitting there acting like Nul Hulk couldn't have destroyed the planet if he wanted to... He could have he just didn't, know why because if he did he would have destroyed his Master's fear supply.

Also that generally happens all the time when someone fights on Earth. Look at the Silver Surfer his fights have casually destroyed planets and opened up Black Holes. Why doesn't that always happen in his big fights because then there wouldn't be an earth left.

Look at Beta Ray Bill he has destroyed planets and fought much more powerful people then anything WBH did in his arc yet when it comes to earth Bill isn't casually destroyed planets.

Your logic is flawed.

This post is nothing but excuses. You are asking to show you WBH ripping adamantium but when I ask you to show me Nul doing anything planetary, you bring up plot. Lol.

WWH halted Juggernaut forward momentum to the point that Juggernaut was struggling to even budge him a bit. War Hulk was amped off of Celestial tech and got pushed across a country by Juggernaut. Amp doesnt always equal superiority.

Hulk was in a mind battle with Strange when he was getting hit by adamantium bullets, there is no telling where his durability was since he wasn't in a Rage state due to him focusing on Strange during astral battle and let's not ignore what has damaged Nul. Spider Woman, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, some Wendigos, low class vampires. WWH is above him.

Beta Ray Bill destroyed a planetoid and what does that have to do with Nul not tanking high Herald attacks like WBH or WWH did? What does that have to do with Nul being damaged by Spider Woman but WWH laughing off more powerful attacks?

Stop making excuses. I could completely destroy you with your assumption of Savage Hulk>WWH. It would be too easy.

Originally posted by carver9
Now let's see what type of punches WWH can take...lol. Rulk absorbs so much of WWH power that he starts glowing...hell, he absorb so much of Hulk power that he is capable of punching Hulk so hard that it creates a Nuclear explosion.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8339/hulk2401718.jpg
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Hulk tanker that sh** and didn't suffer near the damage Nul suffered against some Metas and the beauty of it is, he wasn't even phased by this attack by reading his words.

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4844/hulk24020.jpg How big a blast was that exactly? I'm doubting it went above a city level.

But let's also look at WWH taking on Iron Man, Iron Man managed to make him bleed so did a number of other heroes during their fights.

^ You're not going to look at WWH and WBH feats as a whole?

Here we have WBH powering through a high Herald attack.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094158/Incredible_Hulks_632_013.jpg.html

Here we have WBHulk powering through an amped High Herald attack.

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Here we have WBH and she Rulk punching at each other melting Heralds, Mindless ones, trolls, destroying planets and again, they are just swinging their fist.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901481/Incredible_Hulks_635_004.jpg.html

Here we have him withstanding an amped Fing Fang powers.

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Here we have some elites attacking him and being incapable of even moving him out of his spot let alone get his attention.

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Would you like for me to post what happened to Nul when he was put in the same situations.? I don't mind..lol.

Originally posted by Newjak
How big a blast was that exactly? I'm doubting it went above a city level.

But let's also look at WWH taking on Iron Man, Iron Man managed to make him bleed so did a number of other heroes during their fights.

Looked about the same size as that blast that Osborn and Vector and the crew hit Thor with during the Void saga. If a punch can create an explosion, that's a hell of a ft and Hulk tanked it.

Making Hulk bleed isn't the issue and by the way, Ironman was amped when he faced WWH. That wasn't the regular Tony suit and did you see the fight? The shockwaves alone from Ironman and Hulk fight was destroying the city...hell, it was causing Earth Quakes outside of the city.

Originally posted by carver9
This post is nothing but excuses. You are asking to show you WBH ripping adamantium but when I ask you to show me Nul doing anything planetary, you bring up plot. Lol.

WWH halted Juggernaut forward momentum to the point that Juggernaut was struggling to even budge him a bit. War Hulk was amped off of Celestial tech and got pushed across a country by Juggernaut. Amp doesnt always equal superiority.

Hulk was in a mind battle with Strange when he was getting hit by adamantium bullets, there is no telling where his durability was since he wasn't in a Rage state due to him focusing on Strange during astral battle and let's not ignore what has damaged Nul. Spider Woman, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel, some Wendigos, low class vampires. WWH is above him.

Beta Ray Bill destroyed a planetoid and what does that have to do with Nul not tanking high Herald attacks like WBH or WWH did? What does that have to do with Nul being damaged by Spider Woman but WWH laughing off more powerful attacks?

Stop making excuses. I could completely destroy you with your assumption of Savage Hulk>WWH. It would be too easy. Yawn slowing Juggernaut down is not the same as stopping him as we still clearly see WWH being pushed back. Thor has done better then what WWH did.

WWH also got hurt by a lot of other things as well.

And I'm not making excuses, I just gave you reasons why Nul didn't destroy planet Earth was all which are valid reasons considering his mission.

I've showned how other High Heralds fared against the Worthy. Silver Surfer landed a dud against Attume, Juggernaut was only able to beat Worth Kul because he used his own energy against him. And those same High Heralds like Silver Surfer have already done things like what WBH has done.

And I'm not saying Savage Hulk > then WWH.

I'm mostly bringing this up because you assume Nul is weaker than any version of the other Hulks based solely on your opinion and the fact you want to use it as a confirmation on your stances.

Like if Nul can break Adamantium then obviously a 'stronger' version will do it as well.

But I am saying Nul > Savage Hulk

I am saying Nul > WWH

Would I say > then WBH possibly not but still the fact is you only want Nul to be weaker because then you can continue to go on with your round about logic with Nul.

The fact is Hulk was amped and was one of the more powerful versions of Hulk right up there with the top in that bout. To assume otherwise is asinine considering the other amps the Hammers gave out. It made Attuma able to beat silver Surfer.

Hell Worthy Kuul was able to hurt Juggernaut more than WWH was, mostly do to magic, but the statement still stands.

The fact is you are lowballing Nul because you want it to be so because then it makes your argument valid, but your argument isn't Valid.

Nul was a WWH given a magic hammer that amped everyone it was given to this includes other poweful people like Absrobing Man and Juggernuat. So your foundations are baseless when it comes to using Nul's feats interchangeably with other Hulk versions, or as a baseline for how other Hulk's would do in a fight against people.

I also see you throwing out the term WBH did this to a High Herald. Well here's an idea instead of saying they are High Herald show me some scans of those guys actually being High Heralds.

Originally posted by Newjak
I already read that post and it pretty much is the samething you always say.

And at the end of the day you still can't show a scan of WBH Hulk destroying admantium.

Secondly there is one flat out lie in your statement. WWH Hulk never stopped Juggernaut's forward momentum only managed to redirect it somewhat even though in the scans he is still clearly getting pushed back if you look at his feet. Heck the only way Hulk manages to get rid of Cain is to move out of the way so that Cain BFRed himself.

And WWH got tore up by a lot of things like Adamantium bullets. Heck during the WWH stuff he was getting hurt by things Savage Hulk has shrugged off. Some of the same stuff Nul Hulk walked through during his fight with the Vampire Nation.

As for the rest are you really sitting there acting like Nul Hulk couldn't have destroyed the planet if he wanted to... He could have he just didn't, know why because if he did he would have destroyed his Master's fear supply.

Also that generally happens all the time when someone fights on Earth. Look at the Silver Surfer his fights have casually destroyed planets and opened up Black Holes. Why doesn't that always happen in his big fights because then there wouldn't be an earth left.

Look at Beta Ray Bill he has destroyed planets and fought much more powerful people then anything WBH did in his arc yet when it comes to earth Bill isn't casually destroyed planets.

Your logic is flawed.

Actually, it has to be said that the logic you are using to approach this is atrocious. Adamantium has been damaged by characters demonstrably weaker than WBH, i.e Thor, savage hulk etc. Trying to use it as some sort of all be end all feat in order assert Nuls superiority is just ludicrous.

Furthermore attempting to draw a parralell between what WBH did and what Silver surfer has done or Beta ray bill has done is completely faulty as they are not the same at all. A planet was destroyed in Silver surfers fight against Morg due to their combined energy output which made contact with and engulfed the planet causing it to explode. That is astronomically different from what happened in IH 634, where it was the shockwave of the concussive impact that occurred thousands of feat in the air without making contact with anything that wrecked the planet as well as Armcheddon, an amped Fing Fang foom, Bi beast, Wendigo, and the entire race of mindless ones. The implications are very different due to one being an energy attack with the other being physical as well the two different ways in which they were accomplished. The same goes for Beta ray bill who destroyed a planet by bashing it with an energy amped hammer strike. Destroying a planet is impressive.. However Destroying a planet, and eviscerating class 100 level characters without even touching it or them is much much much more so.

Methods of execution here are extremely important, and so trying to lump WBH feat in there with vastly inferior feats in an effort to big up Nul, who is quite frankly not even in the same ball park as WBH strengthwise is rather disengenuous.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually, it has to be said that the logic you are using to approach this is atrocious. Adamantium has been damaged by characters demonstrably weaker than WBH, i.e Thor, savage hulk etc. Trying to use it as some sort of all be end all feat in order assert Nuls superiority is just ludicrous.

Furthermore attempting to draw a parralell between what WBH did and what Silver surfer has done or Beta ray bill has done is completely faulty as they are not the same at all. A planet was destroyed in Silver surfers fight against Morg due to their combined energy output which made contact with and engulfed the planet causing it to explode. That is astronomically different from what happened in IH 634, where it was the shockwave of the concussive impact that occurred thousands of feat in the air without making contact with anything that wrecked the planet as well as Armcheddon, an amped Fing Fang foom, Bi beast, Wendigo, and the entire race of mindless ones. The implications are very different due to one being an energy attack with the other being physical as well the two different ways in which they were accomplished. The same goes for Beta ray bill who destroyed a planet by bashing it with an energy amped hammer strike. Destroying a planet is impressive.. However Destroying a planet, and eviscerating class 100 level characters without even touching it or them is much much much more so. I was more less using the adamantium feat a kind of play around with carver since he was asking for world breaking feats from Nul.

As for the rest I point to Surfers fight with Red Shift that created a black whole which is way better than WBH.

I was also referring to Silver Surfer's fight with Ravenous where he destroyed an entire planet by himself as a side effect of him attacking Ravenous.

Originally posted by Newjak
I was more less using the adamantium feat a kind of play around with carver since he was asking for world breaking feats from Nul.

As for the rest I point to Surfers fight with Red Shift that created a black whole which is way better than WBH.

I was also referring to Silver Surfer's fight with Ravenous where he destroyed an entire planet by himself as a side effect of him attacking Ravenous.

....Surfers fight with Red shift didnt create a blackhole....It was his blast on airwalker that did at the beginning of annihilation. Still while i certainly dont mind extolling the wonders of Surfers energy output, that was a blast/energy output feat and thus accomplished via a very different medium from WBH physical strength and so not particularly relevant to this.

Against ravenous, Surfers blast also literally engulfed and made direct contact with the planet. And so while undoubtedly impressive not at all an accurate parallel.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yawn slowing Juggernaut down is not the same as stopping him as we still clearly see WWH being pushed back. Thor has done better then what WWH did.

WWH also got hurt by a lot of other things as well.

And I'm not making excuses, I just gave you reasons why Nul didn't destroy planet Earth was all which are valid reasons considering his mission.

I've showned how other High Heralds fared against the Worthy. Silver Surfer landed a dud against Attume, Juggernaut was only able to beat Worth Kul because he used his own energy against him. And those same High Heralds like Silver Surfer have already done things like what WBH has done.

And I'm not saying Savage Hulk > then WWH.

I'm mostly bringing this up because you assume Nul is weaker than any version of the other Hulks based solely on your opinion and the fact you want to use it as a confirmation on your stances.

Like if Nul can break Adamantium then obviously a 'stronger' version will do it as well.

But I am saying Nul > Savage Hulk

I am saying Nul > WWH

Would I say > then WBH possibly not but still the fact is you only want Nul to be weaker because then you can continue to go on with your round about logic with Nul.

The fact is Hulk was amped and was one of the more powerful versions of Hulk right up there with the top in that bout. To assume otherwise is asinine considering the other amps the Hammers gave out. It made Attuma able to beat silver Surfer.

Hell Worthy Kuul was able to hurt Juggernaut more than WWH was, mostly do to magic, but the statement still stands.

The fact is you are lowballing Nul because you want it to be so because then it makes your argument valid, but your argument isn't Valid.

Nul was a WWH given a magic hammer that amped everyone it was given to this includes other poweful people like Absrobing Man and Juggernuat. So your foundations are baseless when it comes to using Nul's feats interchangeably with other Hulk versions, or as a baseline for how other Hulk's would do in a fight against people.

I also see you throwing out the term WBH did this to a High Herald. Well here's an idea instead of saying they are High Herald show me some scans of those guys actually being High Heralds.

Uuummm, Armageddon defeated both Merge Hulk and Silver Surfer. That alone puts him in the Elite tier bracket. He even mentions this during his fight against the Hulk.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094165/Incredible_Hulks_632_015.jpg.html

Just because Hulk is amped doesn't put him above all Hulks, especially Hulks that have superior showings than Nul. Mindless Hulk is an amped Hulk, War Hulk is an amped Hulk, Merge Hulk is an amped Hulk, Maestro is an amped Hulk...giving Hulk a hammer doesn't automatically increase his strength to levels above these Hulks. You might have an argument about versatility but that's about it. You are completely ignoring Nul showings...basically clinging to titles or "what you think.happened". Show me some fts. Morlun has ripped Adamantium but WWH would outright MERK him.

Originally posted by carver9
You are not making sense. It's no such thing as before and after with Hulk since his powers fluctuates. So you agree with the his power fluctuates which undermines your entire position.


WW Hulk being more than all Hulk's previous has nothing to do with future Hulks. You can't get around it.
Originally posted by Deadline
^ You're not going to look at WWH and WBH feats as a whole? Why would you as there is a clear difference.Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm, Armageddon defeated both Merge Hulk and Silver Surfer. That alone puts him in the Elite tier bracket. He even mentions this during his fight against the Hulk.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094165/Incredible_Hulks_632_015.jpg.html

Just because Hulk is amped doesn't put him above all Hulks, especially Hulks that have superior showings than Nul. Mindless Hulk is an amped Hulk, War Hulk is an amped Hulk, Merge Hulk is an amped Hulk, Maestro is an amped Hulk...giving Hulk a hammer doesn't automatically increase his strength to levels above these Hulks. You might have an argument about versatility but that's about it. You are completely ignoring Nul showings...basically clinging to titles or "what you think.happened". Show me some fts. Morlun has ripped Adamantium but WWH would outright MERK him. Arm defeated Surfer with Surfer's own power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree with the his power fluctuates which undermines your entire position.


WW Hulk being more than all Hulk's previous has nothing to do with future Hulks. You can't get around it.
Why would you as there is a clear difference. Arm defeated Surfer with Surfer's own power.

I sure do agree.

I don't understand your second comment and I truly don't want to understand it.

Thats Armageddon powers...to use your powers against you. Why ignore his capabilities when its what he does? That's like me saying Wolverine can't use his claws in battle even though they are a part of him. Armageddon first attack on the Surfer was an energy attack from within him (and it damaged Surfer) and then he used Surfer cosmic power against him.

Originally posted by carver9
I sure do agree.

I don't understand your second comment and I truly don't want to understand it.

Thats Armageddon powers...to use your powers against you. Why ignore his capabilities when its what he does? That's like me saying Wolverine can't use his claws in battle even though they are a part of him. Armageddon first attack on the Surfer was an energy attack from within him (and it damaged Surfer) and then he used Surfer cosmic power against him. This isn't the first time you don't understand something a fifth grader could comprehend.

Him using the Surfer's powers against him is all well and good but it's how he stacks up not that Arm is on another level. Surfer lost to Morg before and then beat him the second go round so one win over the Surfer doesn't really prove much since Thor has stomped a hole in his ass before. That doesn't make Thor beyond the Surfer. Try and keep up.

Originally posted by Deadline
You need proof that Nul Hulk was more powerful than WBH, there isn't any.

There's plenty of proof that Nul was not as powerful as either WW Hulk or WB Hulk. By going off of on panel feats, WW Hulk had better feats. Collateral damage can not be ignored, and the damage that either WW Hulk, or WB Hulk caused was far greater than Nul ever did on panel. if a guys flattens a bus with ease, we would automatically say that he was on the Things level right? Well if a guy destroys a planet without even touching it what ballpark would we put him in?\

Also what does any of this have to do with the Hulk jumping at Sersi at the speed of light and taking her out?

love eternals sersi isn't winning here

worldbreaker most powerful

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't the first time you don't understand something a fifth grader could comprehend.

Him using the Surfer's powers against him is all well and good but it's how he stacks up not that Arm is on another level. Surfer lost to Morg before and then beat him the second go round so one win over the Surfer doesn't really prove much since Thor has stomped a hole in his ass before. That doesn't make Thor beyond the Surfer. Try and keep up.

I never said that Armageddon was on another level, I said he is an elite tier and taking out Merged Hulk and Surfer puts him in this tier.

So you admit, the score between Armageddon is 1-0 until they meet again? Gotcha.

No need to reply to the rest of your nonsense.

Hulk wins. Spite.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that Armageddon was on another level, I said he is an elite tier and taking out Merged Hulk and Surfer puts him in this tier.

So you admit, the score between Armageddon is 1-0 until they meet again? Gotcha.

No need to reply to the rest of your nonsense. Yes,beating someone doesn't mean you are beyond them.

Spiderman is 1-0 vs. Savage Hulk. Teehee.

Keep conceding and you still haven't pmed me your question or set a date for Rage you coward.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk wins. Spite.

morning janus

Originally posted by guy222
morning janus
evening Guy,
like the new sig & avatar combo.

good evening my friend

it came out nice like the storyline

I'm a little behind on the Celestials, is that from the "Mad Celestials" vs Galactus or some other story?

Yes. (Mad Celestials vs. Galactus)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,beating someone doesn't mean you are beyond them.

Spiderman is 1-0 vs. Savage Hulk. Teehee.

Keep conceding and you still haven't pmed me your question or set a date for Rage you coward.

It depends.

I'm not taking Spiderman win away from him. Spiderman also have wins against Firelord, made Thanos head do a 360 with a kick, defeated Juggernaut, Absorbing man, was physically beating the hell out of Masterson Thor, ran through a direct copy of a Thor clone that had other heros with him. Spiderman have some amazing showings so him using the environment to take Hulk out, thumbs up.

I never concede.

Originally posted by Stoic
There's plenty of proof that Nul was not as powerful as either WW Hulk or WB Hulk. By going off of on panel feats, WW Hulk had better feats. Collateral damage can not be ignored, and the damage that either WW Hulk, or WB Hulk caused was far greater than Nul ever did on panel. if a guys flattens a bus with ease, we would automatically say that he was on the Things level right? Well if a guy destroys a planet without even touching it what ballpark would we put him in?\

Also what does any of this have to do with the Hulk jumping at Sersi at the speed of light and taking her out?
Speed of light?

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm, Armageddon defeated both Merge Hulk and Silver Surfer. That alone puts him in the Elite tier bracket. He even mentions this during his fight against the Hulk.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094165/Incredible_Hulks_632_015.jpg.html

Just because Hulk is amped doesn't put him above all Hulks, especially Hulks that have superior showings than Nul. Mindless Hulk is an amped Hulk, War Hulk is an amped Hulk, Merge Hulk is an amped Hulk, Maestro is an amped Hulk...giving Hulk a hammer doesn't automatically increase his strength to levels above these Hulks. You might have an argument about versatility but that's about it. You are completely ignoring Nul showings...basically clinging to titles or "what you think.happened". Show me some fts. Morlun has ripped Adamantium but WWH would outright MERK him. Armageddon's power is to use someone else's power gainst them, that doesn't mean he's High Herald it just means he can be lucky enough to use their own power against him. So what else ya got.

And I did show you other examples of the amps the Hammer gave people.

Thing destroyed Rulk, Attuma knocked around Surfer without having to user Surfer's own power against him, Worthy Cain was able to hurt Juggernaut, let me repeat that. He was able to hurt Juggernaut when WWH couldn't beat him except for BFR.

That alone is the best direct comparison you can get besides the people actually meeting.

WWH, the same WWH that you say is more powerful then Nul, couldn't hurt Juggernaut but a Worthy Cain Marko could even if it was with Magic.

The point is you are downplaying just the kind of amp that these hammers were giving to people, because you don't want Nul to be > WWH

Originally posted by Stoic
There's plenty of proof that Nul was not as powerful as either WW Hulk or WB Hulk. By going off of on panel feats, WW Hulk had better feats. Collateral damage can not be ignored, and the damage that either WW Hulk, or WB Hulk caused was far greater than Nul ever did on panel. if a guys flattens a bus with ease, we would automatically say that he was on the Things level right? Well if a guy destroys a planet without even touching it what ballpark would we put him in?\

Also what does any of this have to do with the Hulk jumping at Sersi at the speed of light and taking her out? Yeah that's actually a bad example in some cases.

Bor vs Thor for instance. Thor alone can destroy a planet but their battle was not even destroying a city.

It happens a lot especially on Earth. That's why in cosmic stories that's when you get to see characters really let lose.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends.

I'm not taking Spiderman win away from him. Spiderman also have wins against Firelord, made Thanos head do a 360 with a kick, defeated Juggernaut, Absorbing man, was physically beating the hell out of Masterson Thor, ran through a direct copy of a Thor clone that had other heros with him. Spiderman have some amazing showings so him using the environment to take Hulk out, thumbs up.

I never concede. Ok, and ? Spiderman can use his weight with his strength and momentum to drive Thanos back. Spiderman being 1-0 against the Hulk really makes the Hulk look bad. I mean really bad since you want to harp on Arm being 1-0 against the Surfer. How many wins does the Hulk have against the Surfer while fighting back ?

You always give up. I wish you had a little more fight in you sometimes.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah that's actually a bad example in some cases.

Bor vs Thor for instance. Thor alone can destroy a planet but their battle was not even destroying a city.

It happens a lot especially on Earth. That's why in cosmic stories that's when you get to see characters really let lose.


Not really it simply shows how powerful the Hulk was which is what the writer wanted to show everyone. The idea that the Hulk did not even touch the objects that were destroyed places him at a level far above Nul ever showed on panel. This is something that no one can argue against. I would also love to know what any of this has to do with the thread? I saw people saying that Sersi is going to do this and that mess to the Hulk. But what is Hulk doing? Is he sitting there waiting for her to do all of this crap to him, or is he allowed to act?

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah that's actually a bad example in some cases.

Bor vs Thor for instance. Thor alone can destroy a planet but their battle was not even destroying a city.

It happens a lot especially on Earth. That's why in cosmic stories that's when you get to see characters really let lose.

When did Thor destroy a planet?

Originally posted by Newjak
Armageddon's power is to use someone else's power gainst them, that doesn't mean he's High Herald it just means he can be lucky enough to use their own power against him. So what else ya got.

And I did show you other examples of the amps the Hammer gave people.

Thing destroyed Rulk, Attuma knocked around Surfer without having to user Surfer's own power against him, Worthy Cain was able to hurt Juggernaut, let me repeat that. He was able to hurt Juggernaut when WWH couldn't beat him except for BFR.

That alone is the best direct comparison you can get besides the people actually meeting.

WWH, the same WWH that you say is more powerful then Nul, couldn't hurt Juggernaut but a Worthy Cain Marko could even if it was with Magic.

The point is you are downplaying just the kind of amp that these hammers were giving to people, because you don't want Nul to be > WWH

It doesn't matter what Armageddon powers are...he defeated two elite beings which puts him in the elite tier.

Lol at your examples...Rulk wasn't even using his full power and has recently been getting stomped by everyone and their grandmomma. Nul fts put him below WWH and I would go as far as to say it would put him below Savage Hulk. You using other Worthys to aid in what Nul can do is, well...retarded. Nul on panel was getting worked by Spider Woman and overpowered by Ms.Marvel...people that were nothing but flees to WWH. If you want to compare, compare what Nul and WWH has done, not what Nul, Worthy Thing and others have done. WWH was already strength personified, a hammer making him stronger is highly debatable unless you have fts.

By the way, WWH did hurt Juggernaut and admitted on panel that he wasn't there to fight him and dismissed him with a mere slap.

The point is, show me some fts from Nul that puts him above WWH and stop basing this off of "what ifs".

Do I need to post again everything that happened to Nul.?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, and ? Spiderman can use his weight with his strength and momentum to drive Thanos back. Spiderman being 1-0 against the Hulk really makes the Hulk look bad. I mean really bad since you want to harp on Arm being 1-0 against the Surfer. How many wins does the Hulk have against the Surfer while fighting back ?

You always give up. I wish you had a little more fight in you sometimes.

I'm not mad at Spiderman defeating Hulk via plot.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not mad at Spiderman defeating Hulk via plot. I am not mad at Arm defeating Surfer via plot either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not mad at Arm defeating Surfer via plot either.

So Armageddon powers is plot. I'm not mad that Surfer defeated Savage Hulk via plot.

Originally posted by carver9
So Armageddon powers is plot. I'm not mad that Surfer defeated Savage Hulk via plot. It's just more embarrassing Spiderman bested Hulk than Arm besting Surfer via his own powers. If I were you I'd be mad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's just more embarrassing Spiderman bested Hulk than Arm besting Surfer via his own powers. If I were you I'd be mad.

Lol...just give it up...this isn't working. I accept Spiderman beating Hulk via plot.

The Hulk has been downed by gas COUNTLESS TIMES. Sersi could turn all the air around him into gas.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...just give it up...this isn't working. I accept Spiderman beating Hulk via plot. I care about my characters more than you apparently because Spiderman koing my guy wouldn't be ok with me. Too bad it's canon. Sorry, buddy.

this is the worldbreaker though

where is this match taking place

dark dimension

or the lacuna

Originally posted by keiththegreat
The Hulk has been downed by gas COUNTLESS TIMES. Sersi could turn all the air around him into gas.

Already been tried and WWH thunderclapped it away. By the way, Hulk no longer needs to breath.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I care about my characters more than you apparently because Spiderman koing my guy wouldn't be ok with me. Too bad it's canon. Sorry, buddy.

Hulk has withstood far more than Spiderman...thats why I'm not worried.

Originally posted by Stoic
I saw people saying that Sersi is going to do this and that mess to the Hulk. But what is Hulk doing? Is he sitting there waiting for her to do all of this crap to him, or is he allowed to act?

He can act. I'm not sure what good it will do him since Sersi will just fly away and transmute from a distance.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
He can act. I'm not sure what good it will do him since Sersi will just fly away and transmute from a distance.

Hulk have the speed to jump at her and catch her or a simple thunderclapp should suffice.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has withstood far more than Spiderman...thats why I'm not worried. Well the Hulk has never beaten Spiderman so at the end of the day know that Peter Parker has your number, Bruce.

I'm not sure that WB Hulk's thunderclap would get past Sersi's adamantium shield.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well the Hulk has never beaten Spiderman so at the end of the day know that Peter Parker has your number, Bruce.

But Savage Hulk has defeated Thor, Surfer, and have Thanos in fear of facing him. That's why I'm not worried.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm not sure that WB Hulk's thunderclap would get past Sersi's adamantium shield.

It got through Umar dimensional barrier.

Originally posted by carver9
But Savage Hulk has defeated Thor, Surfer, and have Thanos in fear of facing him. That's why I'm not worried. Thanos has ordered around the savage hulk and the comment never said savage hulk so quit trying to make a distinction. Hulk has never defeated Thor. Hulk has never defeated the Surfer either. Do you read the Hulk ?

Originally posted by carver9
But Savage Hulk has defeated Thor, Surfer, and have Thanos in fear of facing him. That's why I'm not worried.

Hulk beat the Surfer? Since when?

Originally posted by carver9
It got through Umar dimensional barrier.

Which has feats to suggest it's > adamantium?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Hulk beat the Surfer? Since when? Caver makes things up. He recently admitted he only started liking the Hulk since WW Hulk so his knowledge on the character is just a few years deep.

friends

this is the worldbreaker

again for the threadstarter

where is this match taking place

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has ordered around the savage hulk and the comment never said savage hulk so quit trying to make a distinction. Hulk has never defeated Thor. Hulk has never defeated the Surfer either. Do you read the Hulk ?

So Thanos lied when he said he avoid confronting Hulk. Savage Hulk beat Thor to sleep with his own hammer. Hulk defeated Surfer on planet Sakaar. Do you read the Hulk?

Originally posted by guy222
friends

this is the worldbreaker

again for the threadstarter

where is this match taking place

Gobi desert.

tell em carver

Originally posted by carver9
So Thanos lied when he said he avoid confronting Hulk. Savage Hulk beat Thor to sleep with his own hammer. Hulk defeated Surfer on planet Sakaar. Do you read the Hulk?

Oh, the SS with no power cosmic. that's like beating Superman under a red sun, or the Hulk when he's Bruce Banner.

carry on yall

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which has feats to suggest it's > adamantium?

Umar is a freaking skyfather and it took both Classic Strange and Dormammu combined to put up that same force field to stop an entire race of class 100 tonner Mindless Ones. Now show me her creating Adamantium. I seen your last scan but I didn't see adamantium and that might kill her. If Hulk was to punch it, the shockwaves could possibly turn her to dust.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
He can act. I'm not sure what good it will do him since Sersi will just fly away and transmute from a distance.

This is when reflex speed comes into play, and Sersi has never shown that she possesses the reflex power to dodge someone moving at the speed that WB Hulk was shown to be leaping at. He would close the distance between the two of them in fractions of a second. What time would she have to dodge? This is Sersi not Spiderman.

Originally posted by carver9
So Thanos lied when he said he avoid confronting Hulk. Savage Hulk beat Thor to sleep with his own hammer. Hulk defeated Surfer on planet Sakaar. Do you read the Hulk? He has confronted the Hulk. Thanos doesn't go around getting into useless confrontations. Thanos slapped the Hulk, bested him in ig, and overpowered him with a friend.

Thanos makes the Hulk look weak by comparison.

Thor wasn't beaten to sleep you're a liar. Hulk abandoned the battle which means he loses since he forfeited the battle.

Savage Hulk didn't fight the Surfer on planet Sakaar in planet hulk. You are the worst. You don't even seem knowledgeable on the Hulk. Surfer also was weakened and didn't fight back after he put a whooping on the Hulk and his warbound.

Context, kiddo. I suggest reading the Hulk and then having someone explain to you what you just read for clarity's sake.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Oh, the SS with no power cosmic. that's like beating Superman under a red sun, or the Hulk when he's Bruce Banner.

Did Surfer lose, yes or no? Hulk was also weakened. He was at his Grey Hulk level of strength. Surfer still had his strength and durability.

Originally posted by carver9
Umar is a freaking skyfather and it took both Classic Strange and Dormammu combined to put up that same force field to stop an entire race of class 100 tonner Mindless Ones. Now show me her creating Adamantium. I seen your last scan but I didn't see adamantium and that might kill her. If Hulk was to punch it, the shockwaves could possibly turn her to dust.

She did it in Chaos War. She surrounded Galactus and the entire god squad in it, and it was stated to be indestructable.