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which is the biggest form of pis?

Panther puts the surfer in an arm bar and threatens to break it off?

Spidey ko's fire lord or this up coming magik vs widow fight?

SM/FL lasted two issues of constant fighting, and FL provided his rationale for not simply destroying a city-sized area to ensure that SM would be defeated. It's debatable whether or not FL should've gone down after all he experienced, but he did get hit head-on by a speeding train, was at ground zero of a roughly block-sized explosion, and went through quite a few other things too.

It's the most recognizable instance of PIS, and certainly not an example of good writing, but also not the worst PIS.

The Panther Armbar was also done after T'Challa used the Power Cosmic dampener on Norrin, correct?

Hard to judge the Widow/Magik 'fight' that hasn't occurred yet...

Originally posted by Existere
Hard to judge the Widow/Magik 'fight' that hasn't occurred yet...

It's hard to judge your freaking face! Are you happy now? Does it feel good? Did you want someone to say that to you?

We all know the worst case of PIS is Hulk surviving being punched by Captain America. He should have been killed instantly, not merely knocked out.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's hard to judge your freaking face! Are you happy now? Does it feel good? Did you want someone to say that to you?

We all know the worst case of PIS is Hulk surviving being punched by Captain America. He should have been killed instantly, not merely knocked out. ermmha

I'm just waiting for Clint to bust out his anti-Magneto arrow. It's gonna be glorious.

Originally posted by Existere
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I'm just waiting for Clint to bust out his anti-Magneto arrow. It's gonna be glorious. All he would need is a wooden arrow haw-som

It always amuses me when someone works around Magneto's powers by using a non-metallic object. Apparently Marvel doesn't brief their writers on the powers of their characters before they hand the reins over.

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I love how Reed explains to Magneto he merely just tricked him and his powers still work, but upon finding that out Magneto still doesnt use his powers and gets taken away by the cops. Natch!

Originally posted by -K-M-
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I love how Reed explains to Magneto he merely just tricked him and his powers still work, but upon finding that out Magneto still doesnt use his powers and gets taken away by the cops. Natch! Obviously the police has wooden handcuffs.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Panther Armbar was also done after T'Challa used the Power Cosmic dampener on Norrin, correct?
No, he used those dampeners in the next issue. He armbarred a full powered surfer.

Yeah, and BP threatened to "tear" Surfer's arm off...

In a later issue Surfer said he knew BP wasn't a threat and he would have atomized him if he wasn't friends with the people of Earth or something...

Originally posted by Existere
Hard to judge the Widow/Magik 'fight' that hasn't occurred yet...

Even in her most depowered state, she can beat natasha while reading a paper. She reads a headline teleports the widow into the middle of ocean flips a page and continues reading the rest of the paper.

She does not even need to use magic, go to limbo or armor up and turn into a raging demon lord for this battle. The Soul Sword should be useless against natsha as well, but they will probably forget that too..( unless they fry her brains out or absorb her soul)

This is McDuffie's explanation:

"Read the scene again and this time pay attention. The Surfer allowed the Panther to "restrain" him in the hope of finding out what the FF was up to. A panel later, the Surfer's assistant blasts the Panther unconscious. The Surfer is irritated because he wanted the Panther to talk, which he thought he might do if the Panther believed he had the upper hand. Most of the people who ***** about this have only seen a scan of one page, or have poor reading comprehension skills."

http://dwaynemcduffie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10&start=1830I

Originally posted by nwg202
Even in her most depowered state, she can beat natasha while reading a paper. She reads a headline teleports the widow into the middle of ocean flips a page and continues reading the rest of the paper.

She does not even need to use magic, go to limbo or armor up and turn into a raging demon lord for this battle. The Soul Sword should be useless against natsha as well, but they will probably forget that too..( unless they fry her brains out or absorb her soul) No, I know Magik's powers and Natasha's lack of them, but we have no idea what goes down inside the comic, including whether they actually even fight or not.

Originally posted by vince_slice
This is McDuffie's explanation:

"Read the scene again and this time pay attention. The Surfer allowed the Panther to "restrain" him in the hope of finding out what the FF was up to. A panel later, the Surfer's assistant blasts the Panther unconscious. The Surfer is irritated because he wanted the Panther to talk, which he thought he might do if the Panther believed he had the upper hand. Most of the people who ***** about this have only seen a scan of one page, or have poor reading comprehension skills."

http://dwaynemcduffie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10&start=1830I

oops. ok i just saw the scan and hear a lot of people ***** about it. Guilty as charged. My bad. still doesnt the surfer have tp? couldn't he have just read bp's thoughts?

Originally posted by Existere
No, I know Magik's powers and Natasha's lack of them, but we have no idea what goes down inside the comic, including whether they actually even fight or not.

well i thought the vs comic is all about fighting. big one on one battles but you're right maybe they have some plot device that makes it look like a reasonable battle.

Originally posted by nwg202
oops. ok i just saw the scan and hear a lot of people ***** about it. Guilty as charged. My bad. still doesnt the surfer have tp? couldn't he have just read bp's thoughts?

To be honest I don't buy McDuffie's explanation. I read the scenes and I didn't get the vibe he was talking about. I just think he's just making up an excuse to cover what's one of the biggest PIS moments for Surfer.

Originally posted by nwg202
well i thought the vs comic is all about fighting. big one on one battles but you're right maybe they have some plot device that makes it look like a reasonable battle. Yeah, or they may have a single panel of either Natasha or Magik backhanding the other - I guess we'll see?

Originally posted by Existere
Yeah, or they may have a single panel of either Natasha or Magik backhanding the other - I guess we'll see?

yeah i guess so. actually if i remember correctly the widow beat wonderman in a one on one battle in contest of champions i think... so yeah anything can happen.

Originally posted by vince_slice
This is McDuffie's explanation:

"Read the scene again and this time pay attention. The Surfer allowed the Panther to "restrain" him in the hope of finding out what the FF was up to. A panel later, the Surfer's assistant blasts the Panther unconscious. The Surfer is irritated because he wanted the Panther to talk, which he thought he might do if the Panther believed he had the upper hand. Most of the people who ***** about this have only seen a scan of one page, or have poor reading comprehension skills."

http://dwaynemcduffie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10&start=1830I

I don't buy that.

Seems to me that he try a "Quesada" on us.