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Id say Majestic and Superman are at the top. Oh, and Orion as well. Any others?

Depends on what you mean by top tier. WWH had Banner's intellect but Hulk may not fit your definition of top tier.

Captain Marvel has the wisdom of Solomon which grants him access to much knowledge but that may not mean smart in your context.

Tony Stark is smart but I'm not sure what you mean by top tier.

Surfer with his cosmic awareness. GL with the data stored in his power ring.

It would be easier to define with some parameters other than top tier.


So...I'm gonna say Batman!

Doom with Surfer's powers!

Originally posted by janus77
Doom with Surfer's powers! Yes, even that depowered Doom was still top tier. 313

Originally posted by Badabing
Yes, even that depowered Doom was still top tier. 313
At least you're being more realistic about Batman these days, Top Tier is pretty much his class.

Originally posted by janus77
At least you're being more realistic about Batman these days, Top Tier is pretty much his class. I said Batman...not the actual Batgod!

Reed with the IG...

Checkmate

i mean by scientific feats/ inventions. power amps/arrifacts dont count in here. regular top tiers/heralds only.

IGless Reed is herald level

forgot Lobo. Hes practically a super genius.

Doom.

I'm still confused by what constitutes a 'top tier'. Are we only picking from high heralds, or are you asking who the smartest herald-or-under people are?

Majestic

Originally posted by Existere I'm still confused by what constitutes a 'top tier'. Are we only picking from high heralds, or are you asking who the smartest herald-or-under people are?

guys like surfer, thor, superman, etc...

If Iron Man is a top tier, than it's him. If not, it's Hulk (lol) because of the intellect of Banner.
Stark and Banner score respectively as the number 3rd and 4th intellect on Marvel Earth, only behind Richards and Doom.

Did IM get a push or something?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Did IM get a push or something?

Aside that he built the stupidly powerful Bleeding Edge armor?

Is that the armor he'll be using to battle Magneto?

And I wonder who could build the better inventions: Majestic or Tony?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Is that the armor he'll be using to battle Magneto?

And I wonder who could build the better inventions: Majestic or Tony?

Neither of them: Hulk trumps them.

But will get owned by Orion.

Miracle machine owns them all.

If Hulk's included, then surely he's #1 in the tier.

Banner's basically owned everybody and everything in sight with his customised iPod. His technological hand-me-downs have helped Cho survive attacks from herald as well.

His mobile teleportation device is freaky too... Also, he's got prep wins against Doom, Reed and others!

Are we just considering science smarts?

Because several of these are smart at science, but really dumb in other ways.

Some are all-around brains, and some aren't.

For everything he can do with a mere I-Pod, just go at this page of the respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=441188&pagenumber=34

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
For everything he can do with a mere I-Pod, just go at this page of the respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=441188&pagenumber=34

wow that's awesome

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Did IM get a push or something?

He's always been one of the smartest beings in the Marvel Universe. I'd say conventionally, he's right behind Doom and Richards, maybe a hair or two above or below Pym depending on who you want to argue for.

So we're talking purely science here? Not who's all-around smartest?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Miracle machine owns them all. Yeah, this really can't be topped. After only seeing the Miracle Machine for a few seconds, Superman memorized every nut & bolt that comprises it, enabling him to construct his own Miracle Machine from scratch. Uber.

Lobo should also get an honorable mention, imo. He owned Darkseid with his own Mother Box, by rewiring its circuitry on the fly. Mucking with New God tech at all (let alone so easily) is extraordinarily impressive.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank He's always been one of the smartest beings in the Marvel Universe. I'd say conventionally, he's right behind Doom and Richards, maybe a hair or two above or below Pym depending on who you want to argue for.

i know hes smart. im talking physically through his armor.

and when did superman build his own miracle machine? id say thats above majestic in smarts.

^ Final Crisis #7.

thats practically reed level right there. its weird dc doesnt play up supermans intelligence MORE.

at least morrison showeed that superman is from a race of super beings.

Supes created a device from scratch that, essentially, grants ANY wish its user can imagine. He ended up wishing for "a happy ending"(no giggity) with his Miracle Machine--and said wish was ultimately responsible for Darkseid and Mandrakk's defeat in FC.

I'm sure Reed could build a Miracle Machine if he had enough time to analyze it. However, I very much doubt that he could build one from scratch after only studying it's components for a few SECONDS, as Supes did. So imo, Superman's feat is Reed-level++.

I'm sure someone has a better list than I do But thess are my picks

Reed
Doom = Thanos = Darkseid
Brainiac (LOSH)
Hank Pym
Majestros = Forge
Superman = Bruce Banner
Tony Stark
Lex Luthor
Amadeus Cho
John Henry Irons
Beast
Static = Spiderman

Yeah some of these guys aren't top tiers in physical power, but they are when it comes to smarts.

Originally posted by Galan007
Supes created a device from scratch that, essentially, grants ANY wish its user can imagine. Superman ended up wishing for "a happy ending"(no giggity) with his Miracle Machine--and said wish was ultimately responsible for Darkseid and Mandrakk's defeat in FC.

I'm sure Reed could build a Miracle Machine if he had enough time to analyze it. However, I very much doubt that he could build one from scratch after only studying it's components for a few SECONDS, as Supes did. So imo, Superman's feat is Reed-level++. What if Reed actually had enhanced senses like Superman does?

this isnt whos the smartest characters, but the smartest herald level beings. so make another list, stoic.

everyone always talks about top tier powerful feats, but hardly anyone talks about their scientific feats. which is why i made the thread.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What if Reed actually had enhanced senses like Superman does? ...But he doesn't, which is why Superman's feat is BEYOND him. ermm13

Originally posted by Galan007
...But he doesn't, which is why Superman's feat is BEYOND him. ermm13 But that doesn't exactly factor into intelligence...

I mean, building the machine, yes. But "seconds" to Superman are not seconds to Reed.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
But "seconds" to Superman are not seconds to Reed. ...Which is why Superman's feat is beyond Reed. A task that would likely take Reed days, took Superman seconds. I understand Supes has heightened abilities, but that's not his fault.

So not only did he have the intelligence/memory to analyze every nut and bolt in the entire Miracle Machine, but he remembered where the bolts were located, what they held, etc... After studying it for only a few seconds. He then recalled all of that info from memory, drew up some blueprints, and subsequently built it. Kudos to Supes on that one. Really demonstrates how fast he can think.

how long did it take for him to build it?

I don't think that a photographic memory and the speed to assemble something equates to a person being smarter than the other. Besides Both of these guys specialize in different fields. For instance the Beast may be brighter than Tony Stark when it comes to genetic malformations, but when it comes to robotics he isn't. Reed as an all rounder in terms of mastered topics, is likely smarter than Superman who is actually a reporter for the Daily Bugle. Logic would only dictate that the guy that spends nearly every waking moment working on scientific studies would have a slightly higher I.Q than someone who doesn't. Even if the one that doesn't is genetically built to be smarter than the average human. If this is the case, why isn't Mon-El, Supergirl, and the rest of those types super brains?

Superman's ability to process information quickly due to superspeed contributes to his "super intelligence", but he is stated as being as smart as Jor-El at the least on numerous occasions. Superman strikes me as being across the board smart, with an aptitude toward Kryptonian science/tech as well as a profound grasp of Earth's various sciences and historical facts.

^Time came to a complete halt when darkseid was taken by black racer and superman singed him out of existence.
Originally posted by Galan007
...Which is why Superman's feat is beyond Reed. A task that would likely take Reed days, took Superman seconds. I understand Supes has heightened abilities, but that's not his fault.

So not only did he have the intelligence/memory to analyze every nut and bolt in the entire Miracle Machine, but he remembered where the bolts were located, what they held, etc... After studying it for only a few seconds. He then recalled all of that info from memory, drew up some blueprints, and subsequently built it. Kudos to Supes on that one. Really demonstrates how fast he can think.
The thing that makes this even mord insane was that miracle machine brainiac 5 showed to kal was permanentely shut down.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Time came to a complete halt when darkseid was taken by black racer and superman singed him out of existence.

The thing that makes this even mord insane was that miracle machine brainiac 5 showed to kal was permanentely shut down. Rhino could have built that machine if he memorized where everything went.

Originally posted by country1000
Rhino could have built that machine if he memorized where everything went.
Really, he can build a new operating miracle machine by memorizing the blueprints of a permanently shut down miracle machine? I never knew car mechanics also create new engines.

Supergirl has done the build-a-machine (not the MMachine of course, but whatever) from scratch after scanning blueprints as well. Speaks more of speed than anything.

A photographic memory and super speed building does not equate to being smarter. For instance, the Flash could disarm a bomb far quicker than Batman, but this does not mean that he is smarter than Batman.

speaking of flash, pre crisis barry allen created the cosmic treadmil. hes pretty smart.

supergirl as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
A photographic memory and super speed building does not equate to being smarter. For instance, the Flash could disarm a bomb far quicker than Batman, but this does not mean that he is smarter than Batman.
He created a new, operating miracle machine after seeing the permanently shut down miracle machine for a few seconds. Destroying something is far easier than creating something usually.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Miracle machine owns them all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really, he can build a new operating miracle machine by memorizing the blueprints of a permanently shut down miracle machine? I never knew car mechanics also create new engines. Really? because i rebuilt a chevy 350 and stroked it out to CREATE a 383 stroker. Guess what, the 350 was not even running when i got it.. That 383 now runs like hell.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He created a new, operating miracle machine after seeing the permanently shut down miracle machine for a few seconds. Destroying something is far easier than creating something usually.

Which equates to him having a photographic memory, and the speed in which to execute the task. This still does not mean that he is smarter than Reed Richards.


Originally posted by Prep-Man
speaking of flash, pre crisis barry allen created the cosmic treadmil. hes pretty smart.

supergirl as well.

Wasn't talking about Barry, I meant Wally.

Originally posted by country1000
Really? because i rebuilt a chevy 350 and stroked it out to CREATE a 383 stroker. Guess what, the 350 was not even running when i got it.. That 383 now runs like hell.
Lulz.
Originally posted by Stoic
Which equates to him having a photographic memory, and the speed in which to execute the task. This still does not mean that he is smarter than Reed Richards.




Wasn't talking about Barry, I meant Wally.
He memorized a PERMANENTLY shut down miracle machine. If he was replicating it as it was, it would've been useless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz.

He memorized a PERMANENTLY shut down miracle machine. If he was replicating it as it was, it would've been useless. Look my new friend, it is not a measure of superman being smarter than reed who could build machines from scratch that superman could not even turn on. Ok buddy?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz.

He memorized a PERMANENTLY shut down miracle machine. If he was replicating it as it was, it would've been useless.


Did he invent the original Miracle Machine? Reed has invented so many wild things, that by feats alone, he surpasses Superman. No one said that Kal is stupid, but as an all rounder Reed has him beat when it comes to mastering more scientific subjects. Look at Forge for instance, he's not as smart as Reed, but he can crank out anything that he can imagine.

Originally posted by country1000
Look my new friend, it is not a measure of superman being smarter than reed who could build machines from scratch that superman could not even turn on. Ok buddy?
Did I mention reed anywhere in my previous posts? Really, when reed can recreate a machine that remakes the multiverse, call me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did I mention reed anywhere in my previous posts? Really, when reed can recreate a machine that remakes the multiverse, call me. RING!! RING!!! RING!! Answer the phone man, reed can RECREATE that machine.. the key word is RECREATE.. superman did not CREATE that machine.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did I mention reed anywhere in my previous posts? Really, when reed can recreate a machine that remakes the multiverse, call me.


Specializations does not mean that Superman is smarter than Reed, he may be able to do a few things better, but looking at the big picture, and comparing the both of them, Reed is more well rounded, and has mastered more scientific media than Superman. Reed after all is a scientist all day long while Kal, is a reporter.

i dont think anyone here is saying superman is above reed, but that was an insane feat no matter how you slice it.

Originally posted by Stoic
Specializations does not mean that Superman is smarter than Reed, he may be able to do a few things better, but looking at the big picture, and comparing the both of them, Reed is more well rounded, and has mastered more scientific media than Superman. Reed after all is a scientist all day long while Kal, is a reporter. Superman is not even on batmans level.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
i dont think anyone here is saying superman is above reed, but that was an insane feat no matter how you slice it. Not trying to be smart, but a dummy can build that machine if they memorized where everything went.

Originally posted by country1000
Superman is not even on batmans level.

Superman has his superintelligence, like his father Jor-El who imho was on Reeds level. But because of his powers and his "humaneness" he doesn't needs to use it, except for problems who are beyond his powers, like in Superman Beyond. Reed on the other hands isn't very powerful so his need is greater to use his int, though her also doesn't use it always.

Anyway, Batman is more cunning then both, not more intelligent but more "sneaky". There are after all, different forms of intelligence^^.

lol at people using one high end showing to boost clark

Originally posted by Stoic
Specializations does not mean that Superman is smarter than Reed, he may be able to do a few things better, but looking at the big picture, and comparing the both of them, Reed is more well rounded, and has mastered more scientific media than Superman. Reed after all is a scientist all day long while Kal, is a reporter.
Who's trying to compare superman to reed here? Last I checked reed wasn't a top tier character. Clark kent is a reporter, Kal-EL isn't.
Originally posted by country1000
Superman is not even on batmans level.
Lulz.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol at people using one high end showing to boost clark

lol @a girl posting in a thread about intelligence

sneer

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol at people using one high end showing to boost clark
LOL at people trying to lowball a superman showing. It is exactly what I expected.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Clark kent is a reporter, Kal-EL isn't.


Are you having a Grognak moment here?

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you having a Grognak moment here?
Huh?

remember you can add from other publishers. does marvel have any more other than hulk?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh?


You just seemed to get a bit upset.

Engineer (of Authority fame)
Iron Man (I consider him low herald)
Doom (Magic + Tech)
Flash (Barry Allen)
Bruce Banner (+ Hulk abilities)
Braniac
Kang

Originally posted by Stoic
You just seemed to get a bit upset.
Not at all. I'm having a lot of fun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not at all. I'm having a lot of fun. You tell em buddy.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol at people using one high end showing to boost clark

It isn't one high showing. Superman is a genuine super-genius, and he's shown that more than once. Like Jake said, he's been compared to the likes of Jor-El.

He might not be as smart as Reed, but that's no knock against the guy. Not in the slightest.

Superman goes out and takes out the bad guys and goes on a silly date with some lame reporter chick over and over and over again

Thor goes out and kills a bunch of ice giants and then goes celebrate drinking mead and then bangs of random asgardian hot chicks and sleeps with a different check everytime

hmmm... my money's on Thor

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Engineer (of Authority fame)
Iron Man (I consider him low herald)
Doom (Magic + Tech)
Flash (Barry Allen)
Bruce Banner (+ Hulk abilities)
Braniac
Kang I remember this avy/sig. Love them.

Originally posted by Galan007
I remember this avy/sig. Love them.

Thanks! Ever since DarkCrawler left the boards I haven't found another sig maker who's works I like as much so I just recycle all my old ones.

He and Inhuman did the best comic sigs imo