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Who wins?

Hm, quakes vs Wood Dragon, clones, earth&water some genjutsu, super-healing, sleepy pollen...

Personally I'd give it to Hashirama on raw versatility.

You for some reason ignored the massive physical advantage Whitebeard has.

Plus precog but hey.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You for some reason ignored the massive physical advantage Whitebeard has.

Plus precog but hey.

The pre cog is not gonna be that helpful nor wood his physical strength.

Hashirama can only win with the pollen. Other than that whats he going to do, endlessly regenerate?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hashirama can only win with the pollen. Other than that whats he going to do, endlessly regenerate?

I'll remind he took on Madara, who's Final Susano'o packs more power than WB's quakes. His jutsu are strong enough to dish out damage to Whitebeard.


He also has genjutsu (bringer of darkness technique).

He took him on, but theres no indication of him matching that level of destruction. Theres no indication that it was his jutsu that pressed Madara so hard rather than, say, the Kyuubi he'd just tamed?

Originally posted by Nephthys
He took him on, but theres no indication of him matching that level of destruction. Theres no indication that it was his jutsu that pressed Madara so hard rather than, say, the Kyuubi he'd just tamed?

They fought several times. Kyuubi was as far as we know, only at the last one, and his wood jutsu is more than capable of rearranging landscapes.

As is Whitebeard.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As is Whitebeard.

Yea, but point is, he can cause significant harm with wood in addition to pollen.

So he does have more than one possible win route.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
The pre cog is not gonna be that helpful nor wood his physical strength. I was referring more towards his precog and hefy reaction-time advantage allowing him to get the first hit in.

In a melee fight maybe, but at a distance Hashirama's not going to have problem reacting to his attacks, and super-healing means trading hits works out better for Hashirama too.

Only Whitebeard actually has a decent level of superhuman durability.

Hashirama doesn't.

And the first Quake will at the least cripple him, and he can't use his big jutsu that can threaten Whitebeard until healed a bit, meanwhile Whitebeard is quaking away, while continuously advancing.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but point is, he can cause significant harm with wood in addition to pollen.

So he does have more than one possible win route.

How exactly can wood hurt him?

It's ****ing wood.

That wood sort of grapples with a huge Biju and is powered by Hashirama's own chakra.

It's like how Kimi's bones are far harder than normal bones.

When has it actually grappled with a huge bijuu? Plus I thought it was just crazy good at pacifying them magically or some shit (Yamato?), not physically binding them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How exactly can wood hurt him?

It's ****ing wood.

Yamato's wood could hold 4-tail Kyuubi mode Naruto (not it's suppression technique, it just temporarily held him).

Hashirama's makes his look pathetic.

Hashirama can use them as what are basically gigantic spears, crushing roots, or forming a massive dragon with them.


Wood release, it should be remembered, isn't simple wood, but the mix of water and earth element chakra, with the combined strength of both.


This is something massively stronger than cannons and pistols, which harmed Whitebeard.



Latest chapter. Wood dragon



It can do both.

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-404-12/naruto/chapter-399.html

That and in the most recent chapter.

Damn you Q99...

Originally posted by Nephthys
When has it actually grappled with a huge bijuu? Plus I thought it was just crazy good at pacifying them magically or some shit (Yamato?), not physically binding them. ..... Hur?

Originally posted by Q99
Yamato's wood could hold 4-tail Kyuubi mode Naruto (not it's suppression technique, it just temporarily held him).

Could he?

Originally posted by Q99
Hashirama's makes his look pathetic.

Hashirama can use them as what are basically gigantic spears, crushing roots, or forming a massive dragon with them.

Don't you mean Madara?

Originally posted by Q99
Wood release, it should be remembered, isn't simple wood, but the mix of water and earth element chakra, with the combined strength of both.


This is something massively stronger than cannons and pistols, which harmed Whitebeard.

Is it?

Originally posted by Q99
Latest chapter. Wood dragon

And a mythical beast is equivalent to Hashirama's wood release how exactly?

Originally posted by Q99
It can do both.

Can it?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-404-12/naruto/chapter-399.html

That and in the most recent chapter.

Damn you Q99...

Wrapping around one leg is 'grappling' now?

Originally posted by NemeBro
..... Hur?

..... Dur?

Basically wood-release works by being "Screw you" strong. To the point where almost no techniques can stand against it. It's massively powerful stuff.

Haki bullets and cannons harmed Whitebeard.

Whitebeard also shrugged off a magma fist to the chest while suffering a heart attack.

Originally posted by Q99
Basically wood-release works by being "Screw you" strong. To the point where almost no techniques can stand against it. It's massively powerful stuff.

Which is why Hashirama kicked Hiruzen's ass with it?

Or why Yamato is such an unstoppable badass?

Making your arguments a nuisance to read doesn't make them good.

Hashirama used almost nothing when Edo. We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.

And Yamato's jonin-level with power that's nothing to Hashirama.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Haki bullets and cannons harmed Whitebeard.

Exactly. Haki bullets and cannons don't do remotely as much damage as these.

Hashirama's got power way above the minimum needed to harm Whitebeard.



Still caused damage, mind. He could keep fighting, but if he took repeated of those it wouldn't be good for him.

Haki bullets and cannons are capable of piercing incredible durable characters easily, though.

We've seen what teh magma fist does. It did comparitively little to Whitebeard.

Not that it matters, Whitebeard will be pumping out Quakes at a greater rate than Hashirama will be thrusting his wood.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Making your arguments a nuisance to read doesn't make them good.

Didn't you do the same thing a year ago?

Originally posted by Q99
Hashirama used almost nothing when Edo. We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.

And Yamato's jonin-level with power that's nothing to Hashirama.


But isn't it true that Hashirama attacked him twice with Wood releases?

Nope. Must be thinking of someone else.

Must I Aura?

Must I?

!!!

Originally posted by NemeBro
Haki bullets and cannons are capable of piercing incredible durable characters easily, though.

Much less than what the wood's done, though.




But it still did damage is the point.





When he was using giant branches like spears, there were something like 20 of 'em, so rate-of-fire goes to him too.

Also Hashirama can make clones, who in turn can use wood release. So you could have 25+ attackers.

The Wood Dragon's strong enough that it'll probably take repeated hits to deal with for that matter.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But isn't it true that Hashirama attacked him twice with Wood releases?

Used it to stop an attack I believe, but never did any of the big attacks.


More than likely, Oro was just counting on him wearing down Hiruzen.

And to repeat, 'We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.'

Okay wow, no comment on my immature innuendo and Nephthys is being really annoying.

I don't wanna post in this thread anymore.

Lol?

Originally posted by Q99
Used it to stop an attack I believe, but never did any of the big attacks.

Is that so?

Originally posted by Q99
More than likely, Oro was just counting on him wearing down Hiruzen.

Why?

Originally posted by Q99
And to repeat, 'We've seen these techniques in play, "they weren't used in one fight" isn't an argument for them being weak if that's what you're going for, just that they weren't used in that fight.'

Except they were?

Originally posted by Nephthys


Is that so?

Dead images?





No, those attacks weren't. Smaller attacks were. Nothing about the attacks say they have to go at max.

This is dumb, Neph. "Oh, sure, character X can throw giant attacks way way bigger than the ones that hurt Whitebeard, but let's pretend the weakest attack they did is all they've got."

Stop using mangareader you simple-minded pig****er.

Originally posted by Q99
Dead images?

Oh for ****s sake.

?

****l it

Originally posted by Q99
No, those attacks weren't. Smaller attacks were. Nothing about the attacks say they have to go at max.

This is dumb, Neph. "Oh, sure, character X can throw giant attacks way way bigger than the ones that hurt Whitebeard, but let's pretend the weakest attack they did is all they've got."

Hashirama was clearly trying to either kill or incapacitate Hiruzen. Why would his attacks be weaker than at any other time? We are specifically talking about the strength and damaging nature of Wood jutsu, not the size of its destructive range. Hashirama failed to kill Hiruzen, in the only fight we actually see from him.

The size of an attack does not make it more damaging. Nor does a small attack mean that its weak. Superman can walk through a nuke, but Darkseid punching in the face hurts him. Simply because hashiramas attacks were not outstanding in size does not mean that his wood was not as penetrative, fast or durable as he can make it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Stop using mangareader you simple-minded pig****er.

I got your immature joke right away btw.

It made me kind of nod appreciatively.

With my dick.

Hashirama was not fighting at his fullest against hiruzen.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/513/2
As kabuto said orochimaru had full control of them and what does orochimaru know about the first hokages fighting style or his full arsenal.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/123/4
And as you can see they were toying with hiruzen to boot.
So don't bring up the kage fight.

Orochimaru studied Hashiramas wood powers and replicated them actually.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Orochimaru studied Hashiramas wood powers and replicated them actually.

He only gave them the dna what does he know the only one who actually looks like he knows what the first powers were kinda like was kabuto who went beyond anything orochimaru did with hashi dna. And the wood release does not have hashi's fighting style and strategy's along with it. And it does not change the fact he was not even using hashi to kill hiruzen only to make him suffer.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh for ****s sake.


Ok, so he did use attacks... small ones, which still were pretty effective.

The first one was used to grab and trap, not even trying to crush, and did pierce right through an earth-chakra wall easily. So they've got piercing power.

The second one may have been used more offensively, but was stopped by the very-high level adamantium cage move.




They were fighting in a small box and he only did as much as he was ordered, no more.

Again, we have seen the techniques uses on much larger scale. We aren't talking hypothetically bigger ones, but known shown ones.




It does mean they didn't have as much mass or volume behind them as they can get, though, and more mass of the same material does mean more damage.

And even the smaller ones weren't bad at all. They were just, smaller.

Okay wow, this guy.

I was just about to post the part that says the Kages were toying with Hiruzen.

*******.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When has it actually grappled with a huge bijuu? Plus I thought it was just crazy good at pacifying them magically or some shit (Yamato?), not physically binding them.

Vindication.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vindication.

Not really it has to be strong enough to pin the bijuu down then drain it as if it was much weaker then kurama he would have been able to easily rip the dragon apart.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vindication. Madara's Mokuton was physically restraining both Naruto and Bee.

Stop this madness.

i say whitebeard do to durability. outlasting hashirama in defence and the fact that hashirama can run out of chakra

Originally posted by Luffygear4
i say whitebeard do to durability. outlasting hashirama in defence and the fact that hashirama can run out of chakra

Bullets pierced whitebeard and you think this won't?
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/575/3
Hashirama has insta regen to add to his defence.
he would not even run out of chakra as the battle would be over before that.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Haki Bullets pierced whitebeard I added a small but signifigant addendum.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I added a small but signifigant addendum.

That could be argued.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Bullets pierced whitebeard and you think this won't?
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/575/3
Hashirama has insta regen to add to his defence.
he would not even run out of chakra as the battle would be over before that.

... hashirama makes a forest and whitebeard uses his quake- quake fruit to shatter it. the precedes to buff his bisento with the fruit and then destroys hashirama while sniffing the pollen commenting on how it smells funny... if you wanna talk about defence and durability look up how many wounds whitebeard had at the war not including the 2 red dogs akainu punched through him

Originally posted by Luffygear4
... hashirama makes a forest and whitebeard uses his quake- quake fruit to shatter it. the precedes to buff his bisento with the fruit and then destroys hashirama while sniffing the pollen commenting on how it smells funny... if you wanna talk about defence and durability look up how many wounds whitebeard had at the war not including the 2 red dogs akainu punched through him

So he is gonna quake away in time even the gigantic ass trees coming from under him? And if his quakes form his bisento did not obliterate fodder it is expected to bat hashirama with his insta regen to boot? And he was pierced by BULLETS so I don't need to look up anything. He was using his will power to move forward. And akainu's attacks outright penetrated him with ease so you should not bring that up.

yes, earthquakes can destroy trees... he can make his ability form around his bisento but i dont really get the second part because of the fodder part but yea, he will hit hashirama with his bisento. and when you said he i'll assume your talking about whitebeard because there arent bullets in naruto. will power and durability are alot alike. and akainus red dog attacks were lava soo, hell yes they would penetrate easily, 1 would **** hashirama up... whitebeard wins

Originally posted by Luffygear4
yes, earthquakes can destroy trees... he can make his ability form around his bisento but i dont really get the second part because of the fodder part but yea, he will hit hashirama with his bisento. and when you said he i'll assume your talking about whitebeard because there arent bullets in naruto. will power and durability are alot alike. and akainus red dog attacks were lava soo, hell yes they would penetrate easily, 1 would **** hashirama up... whitebeard wins

What I meant is some gigantic ass trees are coming out from UNDER him as well so he is gonna have to defend from there which is gonna be extremely hard so he is probably gonna thrown of his balance or flat out restrained.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-41091-14/one-piece/chapter-566.html
They were killed but not exactly blown to bits. Someone like hashrama who is already durable plus has regen would do just fine.

If on tree were to slam or spear him whitebeard would be ****ed as those are HUGE. The attacks at marineford he took were small but powerful but it completely pierced wherever it hit him. A tree much larger than him slamming into him would completely smash him.

Akainu's attack would not do much to hashi who can regenerate.

Oh and on the haki bullets thing.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-46286-4/one-piece/chapter-572.html
Look at those haki bullets go!(sarcasm)

can't see

i just think whitebeard would win, and i know im stubborn but i appologize, the "common sense" thing earlier meant no disrespect...

Originally posted by NemeBro
can't see

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c572/5.html

Originally posted by Luffygear4
i just think whitebeard would win, and i know im stubborn but i appologize, the "common sense" thing earlier meant no disrespect...

Well if you want to believe that and disregard everything whatever. And it's okay I get offended easily. I personally appreciate you on this forum as you bring new life into it.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c572/5.html



Well if you want to believe that and disregard everything whatever. And it's okay I get offended easily. I personally appreciate you on this forum as you bring new life into it.

i just spam threads, but yea thanks

http://94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Naruto/621%20-%20Hashirama%20and%20Madara/12-13.jpg

Whitebeard destroys it in a single quake.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Whitebeard gets destroyed by it .

Fixed.

That Buddha probably gets split, until Hashirama's wood gets better tanking feats. Though if it's good enough to tank a Bijuu-dama from 100% Kurama, Whitebeard gets crushed.

Well it completely dwarfs Madara's Susano'o and Kurama. And while it doesn't have any feats, a smaller(and presumably weaker) Wooden god thing caught a Bijuu-dama and Madara's sword.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well it completely dwarfs Madara's Susano'o and Kurama. And while it doesn't have any feats, a smaller(and presumably weaker) Wooden god thing caught a Bijuu-dama and Madara's sword.

Yea, Hashirama activated his super-mode before doing this one.

hokage grows trees, whitebeard quakes the **** out of them, then super jumps and one shots with his df and haki powered bisento. if he gets back up, then he tosses him up and backhands him with a df owered fists. # hashirama broken...

but i have a feeling even tho one piece charactrs are usually faster then their naruto rivals that hashirama is faster then wb.

Originally posted by Luffygear4
but i have a feeling even tho one piece charactrs are usually faster then their naruto rivals that hashirama is faster then wb.

Why do you say OP characters are faster than their Naruto rivals?

Just realized that Hashirama's wood tanked a TBB from a full-power Kurama at point-blank.
Yeah, island-splitting quakes aren't going to cut it.
The wood dragon crushes him.

Originally posted by Q99
Why do you say OP characters are faster than their Naruto rivals? Because every piece of evidence suggests as much.

Even if you disregard calculations, OP has had consistent bullet-timing from very early in the series.

Gai required Seven Gates to go supersonic, lol.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well it completely dwarfs Madara's Susano'o and Kurama. And while it doesn't have any feats, a smaller(and presumably weaker) Wooden god thing caught a Bijuu-dama and Madara's sword.

Oh, I don't know about it completely dwarfing Madara's Susano'o. Just the upper portion of Madara's Susano'o was almost as big as Kurama's body minus the tails. Besides, Gyuuki's apparently been calced to have a height of 118.5 meters or so, and Kurama is roughly his size. Madara's Susano'o ? A size ranging from 1200 to 1800 meters. Not saying it was anywhere close to the size of Hashirama's Thousand Hands for Wanking tech, just that Perfect Susano'o wouldn't be dwarfed like Kurama was.

Of course, Madara's Perfect Susano'o could simply have been smaller back when he fought Hashirama, due to the fact that Edo Madara now has Hashirama's DNA. mmm

... i dont see what else to say. hashirama can injure wb as much as it would be the other way around. healing my ass, what happens when you are shattered on the floor unconscious, if not dead.

Originally posted by Luffygear4
... i dont see what else to say. hashirama can injure wb as much as it would be the other way around. healing my ass, what happens when you are shattered on the floor unconscious, if not dead.

The same can be said for someone who gets completely crushed like whitebeard.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because every piece of evidence suggests as much.

Even if you disregard calculations, OP has had consistent bullet-timing from very early in the series.

Gai required Seven Gates to go supersonic, lol.

Actually he required six to do his friction feat that makes him calced at mach 7.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because every piece of evidence suggests as much.

Even if you disregard calculations, OP has had consistent bullet-timing from very early in the series.

Even if you disregard calculations, Naruto has had consistent far superior travel speeds across battlefields (Naruto and Killerbee can cover in a second or two what it takes the Strawhats chapters to cover), and 3-gate Lee making visible air shockwaves (which require multi mach speeds to form).


The bullet thing shows perhaps good short-range burst speed, but Naruto has consistently shown higher speed at it's high levels.

We've also seen bullets/cannons can be really slow- base level marines have observed cannon balls coming at them and reacted (Capone Bege), and the ability to dodge them doesn't mean that one can dodge things like Usopp's slingshots, which should be massively slower compared to real life bullets but in the series seem about as fast.


One addition major thing is that One Piece has far fewer 'bands' of speed. It has it's human level people, it's superhuman, and it's speed technique ones.. and that's it, and each level isn't helpless speed-wise against the next level up (skilled characters without shave-like speed techniques can fight ones with. Pre-skip Nami and Usopp can fight against non-speed technique superhumanly fast people). Black Cat Kuro was said to be the same general speed as the CP9 characters. Far less good with it, and there can be some differences in the categories, but that's it.

On the other hand in Naruto, Normal humans can be blitzed by base genin can be blitzed by high genin/chunins can be blitzed by jonin can be blitzed by the speed freak characters like A and Naruto. There's more levels of speed.



Everything except bullets indicate the Naruto characters are faster, and the bullets get portrayed to be slow even to non super-fast characters. The visual evidence weighs pretty heavily towards the Naruto side here.

I've never been good at keeping track with speed feats in One Piece but aren't like all of the mid/high tier fighters hypersonic or some crap like that? And though Whitebeard hasn't shown any impressive combat speed he has tagged speedy folks like Aokiji and Kizaru.

Though I'm not sure how quake punches will hold up against the magic wood.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I've never been good at keeping track with speed feats in One Piece but aren't like all of the mid/high tier fighters hypersonic or some crap like that? And though Whitebeard hasn't shown any impressive combat speed he has tagged speedy folks like Aokiji and Kizaru.



Notably, charging across an island takes a fair amount of time even for Whitebeard Commanders, Luffy, and similar.

They may be able to do nice speeds in short-ranged bursts (I'm not sure the precise numbers the calcs give, btw. Definite mach), but their sustained speed- and by that I mean still within fight range, not just long distances- are much lower. Their speed-bursts are short range and not reflective of constant battle body speed.


Naruto has Kisame- not one of the top-speed characters- running away from an island and then being caught by Gai being thrown like a projectile in front of him, catching him some distance off the island.

Luffy going across an island, dealing with Bellamy, then come back was treated as a time concern when they had multiple hours to work with and he ran the way.

One Piece has probably 4-5 instances of trying to cross part of an island or such being a significant time worry that takes awhile even with no opposition or light opposition.

OP speed ain't consistent, it is greater but in marine ford, luffy was running from Mihawk in gear 2 to going about 6 mph (guess) while naruto can leap far for a long time in woods and stuff. Luffy can dodge a point blank range bullet but he can't run beside one and constantly stay ahead. But I meant can't earlier, hashirama CAN'T hurt WB like WB can hurt him. And healing won't work So well while unconscious, proof to make me see otherwise. Destructive capability and durability goes to WB so I give it to him. Let hashirama tank 2 red dogs while over 70 and sickly then say he can tank one hit from WB.

Frankly the way that they're draw, A's rushes and Naruto's flashes look more impressive to me than Gear 2 or Shave as well.


It's not like someone with a OP gun could remotely hope to come close to hitting fast Naruto characters either.

Mid- top tier and up characters in one piece that usually have DF or roukushiki techniques are double digit Mach speed, luffy being Mach 16 and higher in gear 2, I used obd calcs and soru to come to that conclusion. NARUTO IS MACH 7 AND AND YELLOW FLASH IS BARELY THAT. OP characters have more durability, top tier characters, speed, and variety with roukushiki, DF, and haki variations. But whitebeard has the power to destroy the planet stated by sengoku. He would win

Aside from speed, the main difference is that OP chars are not limited by chakra. Whitebeard can destroy roshomon(sp?) gates without breaking a sweat faster than Hashirama can summon them.

Aokoji and Akainu went at it for 10 days. Same with Jinbe and Ace. They fought for days.

What's to stop WB from swinging his fist multiple times in the beginning seconds of the fight?

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Aside from speed, the main difference is that OP chars are not limited by chakra. Whitebeard can destroy roshomon(sp?) gates without breaking a sweat faster than Hashirama can summon them.

Aokoji and Akainu went at it for 10 days. Same with Jinbe and Ace. They fought for days.

What's to stop WB from swinging his fist multiple times in the beginning seconds of the fight?

The same amount of time it takes to swing his arm can be neough for hashirama to do a seal making trees come from under him which he has no defense against,

Note, they are that speed for very short distances, and people without roukushiki techniques have hit people at those speeds (like Luffy and Black Cat Kuro).

Naruto characters can move at their top speeds in a much more sustained way and will have much higher average fight speeds.

Also, it's more proper to say Naruto is at *least* mach 7.... and iirc, that was a sage mode calc, not a kyuubi mode calc.

Yellow flash teleports, so... kinda irrelevant with him ^^


All in all, the visual portrayals of Naruto speed are simply more impressive.


Originally posted by draxx_tOfU

What's to stop WB from swinging his fist multiple times in the beginning seconds of the fight?

Well, nothing except whatever limits he has on rate of fire, but Hashirama would only be hit by the more distance shocks of the quake which he could easily handle, so, it's not exactly decisive either.

luffy's first gear 2 fight against blueno, he is shifting from one place to another, 4 strongest cp9 member stated in the OP wikia, blueno couldnt even keep track of him. flashes, what naruto uses, is not a sustained way of moving and it is his fastest way of moving but u said that he sustains his fastest way of moving and its impossible is sustain a teleportation... but hashirama, WHAT THE ****ING THREAD IS ABOUT, couldnt do everything whitebeard did if he was in the condition whitebeard was. also lets see him fight on somewhat equal terms with akainu at over 70... WB quakes every tree, wall, and bone in hashiramas body.

Originally posted by Luffygear4
luffy's first gear 2 fight against blueno, he is shifting from one place to another, 4 strongest cp9 member stated in the OP wikia, blueno couldnt even keep track of him. flashes, what naruto uses, is not a sustained way of moving and it is his fastest way of moving but u said that he sustains his fastest way of moving and its impossible is sustain a teleportation... but hashirama, WHAT THE ****ING THREAD IS ABOUT, couldnt do everything whitebeard did if he was in the condition whitebeard was. also lets see him fight on somewhat equal terms with akainu at over 70... WB quakes every tree, wall, and bone in hashiramas body.

Then Hashirama proceeds to heal and massacre whitebeard who has no defence to underground attacks.

no defence to underground attacks? whitebeard has tremors as a power? he would ****ing shatter anything that has to do with the ground. then super jump, in typical whitebeard fashion and proceed, like i stated earlier, to buff his bisento with not only haki, but his DF and break hashirama in half like he did akainu, except kill him this time... OP > naruto

Originally posted by Q99
Well, nothing except whatever limits he has on rate of fire, but Hashirama would only be hit by the more distance shocks of the quake which he could easily handle, so, it's not exactly decisive either.

Rate of fire? There is nothing to suggest that WB can't produce quakes over and over again. Even a severely weakened WB managed to tilt marineford and kept on going. As for Hashi only being hit by the distant shocks, WB can control the tectonic origin of his quakes as shown when he caused an earthquake far out in the ocean to produce two massive tsunamis while standing in Marineford.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Rate of fire? There is nothing to suggest that WB can't produce quakes over and over again.

When he does it, though, he often grabs and pulls to make a quake, or does a strike with a big wind-up, especially when he does a big quake.

I'm not saying he can't do it repeatedly. I'm saying if he, say, does a buncha small punches, it'll be little small quakes, and the big ones are bigger motions that are less rapid.

If Whitebeard could fire quakes off like Luffy does his Jet Gatling then he was stupid not to use it when Akainu was raining fiery death on his entire crew and allies when they were trapped by the wall. If he could then he should have been able to knock each of the lava fists out of the sky.

Mind you such an attack is odd for Whitebeard thematically anyway.

PIS or plot purposes i guess? Disregarding saving Ace, WB would dominate in a one on one against any top tier present in marineford imo. While we have yet to see how the Hashi/Madara fight pans out, but from what's been shown for now, WB dominates Hashi.

Also what i mean by WB producing quakes in succession is to illustrate how OP characters are not restricted by chakra limits. The visual of WB doing jet gatling quakes made me lol.

Sorry for the double post.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Also what i mean by WB producing quakes in succession is to illustrate how OP characters are not restricted by chakra limits. The visual of WB doing jet gatling quakes made me lol.

Sorry for the double post.

The same amount of time it takes to wave his arm is the same as doing a single hand sign. That would conjure gigantic trees beneath whitebeard. And Hashirama can tank his attacks with regen. And don't let me get started on the budha which has now durability feats.