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No hammer. Just a straight up brawl:

Thor

vs

Rhino
Colossus (Classic)
The Thing
Doc Samson

He beats them, even all together at the same time.

Thor.

Originally posted by Newjak
He beats them, even all together at the same time.

Lol

You say that like there was any other way

Thor.

naw he loses...nod to ben n piotr

Originally posted by Sin I AM
naw he loses...nod to ben n piotr

Seriously?

Thor wins.

Stopped reading at Rhino

That guy wins

Originally posted by Stoic
Seriously?


yes he'd stomp rhino and samson, but noway is he beating thing and colossus without mjolnir in a brawl...

feel free to post a scan of him fighting and two class 100s sans mjolnir and exotic powers

thor is good but he aint that good

Yes Thor wins.http://forexjobs.info/g.gif

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
yes he'd stomp rhino and samson, but noway is he beating thing and colossus without mjolnir in a brawl...

feel free to post a scan of him fighting and two class 100s sans mjolnir and exotic powers

thor is good but he aint that good

Neither Thing or classic Colossus are cl 100

Huh? Colossus and Thing is easily class 100.

Not even close, cl 100 are guys like Thor/Superman/Hulk etc etc. Thing and Colossus don't have feats even a 1/10th as impressive as those guys best.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not even close, cl 100 are guys like Thor/Superman/Hulk etc etc. Thing and Colossus don't have feats even a 1/10th as impressive as those guys best.

Low, Mid, High class 100's. Colossus and Thing are on the lower end but they are class 100's, easily.

Cl 100 is a handbook term and no handbook has ever listed the Thing or Classic Colossus as cl 100s

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cl 100 is a handbook term and no handbook has ever listed the Thing or Classic Colossus as cl 100s

That's why we don't use handbooks, we go by onpanel proof. On panel, both have class 100 fts.

Cl 100 is a handbook term, therefore you are using the handbook and as such you can't ignore that the handbooks don't consider either Thing or Cassic Colossus to be cl 100.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cl 100 is a handbook term, therefore you are using the handbook and as such you can't ignore that the handbooks don't consider either Thing or Cassic Colossus to be cl 100.

It's a term but it doeant take away from what they have done on panel. This is what you are failing to realize. You thinking Colossus and Thing can lift only 90 tons is ignoring everything they have done in a comic. Hell, Colossus alone lifted the Shield Hellicarrier, Thing lifted skyscrapers. They have fts the puts them in the 1000's of tons, not just 100.

What you are failing to realize is that by ignoring the rankings of the people who invented the term, you're making the term worthless.

With nothing but pure strength I can see Thor taking a hard beating in this fight but eventually coming out on top.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What you are failing to realize is that by ignoring the rankings of the people who invented the term, you're making the term worthless.

Gotcha...so Odin can only lift 90 tons. Make sense since that is where handbooks have him at.

The handbooks themselves don't go by their definition, so why should we?

Originally posted by Silent Master
The handbooks themselves don't go by their definition, so why should we?

It ranks Odin below people like Gladiator, Thor, and Bill and that's going by handbooks. Going by onpanel showings, Odin is far above all 3. Handbooks are not usuable on KMC.

Going by showings; guys like Thor, Hulk etc would be at least cl 1,000,000,000,000

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cl 100 is a handbook term and no handbook has ever listed the Thing or Classic Colossus as cl 100s

ACTUALLY they did for Colossus but not Thing.

Originally posted by -K-M-
ACTUALLY they did for Colossus but not Thing.

When?

Originally posted by Silent Master
When?

Years ago.

EDIT: I'll try to find the scan

As long as it was before he was brought back from the dead, as I believe he was supposed to have gotten a power-up at the time.

Oh you two are debating if teenage Colossus was class 100?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Don't think I've ever posted Colossus entire bio from the All-New handbook hardcover series so here it is:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/Colossus.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/Colossus2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/CopyofColossus333.jpg
(Class 100 )

Pretty much, if Classic just meant a few years ago then Classic Thor would be either King Thor or Rune King Thor.

I assumed when the thread starter meant classic he meant non-Juggernat powered Colossus.

Thor will fight barbaric mode. No hands bar, take Thor for the expereince.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I assumed when the thread starter meant classic he meant non-Juggernat powered Colossus.

This is what I was thinking as well.

Fair enough

When I hear classic, I tend to think of how the character appeared for most of their career and so discount recent power-ups and things that are most likely to be only temp empowerment.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither Thing or classic Colossus are cl 100


even if they werent (which they are) and were class 90 they are still enough to take the majority against Thor in a brawl. your talking about to credible h2h bricks here...plus your short changing samson who though significantly weaker gas held his own against hulk

rhino is durable enough to get some pot shots n and provide a distraction

Actually Thing was said to be CL100 too and this was on panel not merely in a handbook. I think it happened in an Avengers issue.

Team still loses though.

Originally posted by zopzop
Actually Thing was said to be CL100 too and this was on panel not merely in a handbook. I think it happened in an Avengers issue.

Team still loses though.


how? thor doesnt have a healing factor......he cant amp, even if the are "low-end" 100s odds are still not in his favor against four people.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
how? thor doesnt have a healing factor......he cant amp, even if the are "low-end" 100s odds are still not in his favor against four people.

Does Thor even need a healing factor against these guys? His durability is insanely high and he's far stronger than any of them (also better stamina and millenia of fighting experience).

This is like making a boxing match between prime Mike Tyson and some middle school boxers.

Originally posted by zopzop
Does Thor even need a healing factor against these guys? His durability is insanely high and he's far stronger than any of them (also better stamina and millenia of fighting experience).


classic colossus durability is second only to juggernaut, followed closely by thing. there durability is there saving grace. thor has never demonstrated this superior fighting experience before...history dictates he is nothing more than an accomplished brawler

Originally posted by Sin I AM
classic colossus durability is second only to juggernaut, followed closely by thing. there durability is there saving grace. thor has never demonstrated this superior fighting experience before...history dictates he is nothing more than an accomplished brawler

So you're saying they're more durable than Thor?

And yes, Thor's displayed this skill before plenty of times.

The team wins, but give Thor his hammer and it's clean up time!

Originally posted by Newjak
He beats them, even all together at the same time.

Yep

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So you're saying they're more durable than Thor?

And yes, Thor's displayed this skill before plenty of times.



yes colossus is more durable than thor, i dont even see how this is a debate

Originally posted by Sin I AM
yes colossus is more durable than thor, i dont even see how this is a debate

Even though Thor has been shown to stand up to more powerful attacks?

Isn't Thor still much stronger than all of them put together?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even though Thor has been shown to stand up to more powerful attacks?


yes. durability is the ability to withstand injury, without outward appearance of wear. thor just displays a higher level of endurance as is his nature

No hammer... Team wins the majority

Originally posted by Sin I AM
yes. durability is the ability to withstand injury, without outward appearance of wear. thor just displays a higher level of endurance as is his nature

Hasn't the Hulk bent Colossus' arms backwards and didn't Pete Wisdom almost cripple Colossus?

Originally posted by Silent Master
didn't Pete Wisdom almost cripple Colossus?


scans?

No one here has performed feats like one shot KOing Namor in the rain or stalemating a Savage Hulk in strength for hours or stalemating Hercules in an arm wrestling contest which threatened to knock Earth out of its orbit.

Farce thread is a farce.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
scans?

Don't have any, it was from several years ago when Wisdom was part of Excailbur and was sleeping with Kitty.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hasn't the Hulk bent Colossus' arms backwards and didn't Pete Wisdom almost cripple Colossus?

That's World War Hulk...I can't see Thor performing any better against that Hulk in a contest of strength. Just like WWH told Colossus.."against my Classic Self, you probably would have had a chance, not now though". WWH would have told Thor the same thing...hell, he did tell Thor and the Avengers the same thing.

Originally posted by carver9
That's World War Hulk...I can't see Thor performing any better against that Hulk in a contest of strength.



Really, Carver?

Really?

lol at colossus being more durable than thor. that's why the hulk broke his arms, right? thats why colossus has survived in the middle of the sun. and strength isn't even a contest.

Thor beats this team in this scenario SO EASILY it's not even up for debate. If you think Thor loses this, you have no business debating about comic book characters.

Originally posted by carver9
That's World War Hulk...I can't see Thor performing any better against that Hulk in a contest of strength. Just like WWH told Colossus.."against my Classic Self, you probably would have had a chance, not now though". WWH would have told Thor the same thing...hell, he did tell Thor and the Avengers the same thing.

You can't see Thor performing better than Colossus in a test of strength?

In the What If Thor beat the sh** out of WWH. A what if, but I think quite accurate nonetheless.

I'm interested in hearing carver's proof that Colossus is Thor's equal in strength.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
In the What If Thor beat the sh** out of WWH. A what if, but I think quite accurate nonetheless.

I like what ifs, dont you? It took all of these people to tackle WWH and they prepped for it just to beat him ( didn't have confidence in their power).

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Scan015-016.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Scan017-1.jpg

My what if is A LOT better than yours.

By the way, I never said that Colossus is as strong as Thor because he isn't. Hulk would have to put effort in stopping Thor but what I am saying is that, using that fight was a bad example.

most of the people there couldnt take Thing much less hulk

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, I never said that Colossus is as strong as Thor because he isn't. Hulk would have to put effort in stopping Thor but what I am saying is that, using that fight was a bad example.

You said that you couldn't see Thor performing better in a test of strength, IOW Thor = Colossus in strength.

I'd like to see some proof.

Originally posted by carver9
I like what ifs, dont you? It took all of these people to tackle WWH and they prepped for it just to beat him ( didn't have confidence in their power).

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Scan015-016.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Scan017-1.jpg

My what if is A LOT better than yours. Thor's killed Hulk in what ifs you serial killer

Originally posted by Silent Master
You said that you couldn't see Thor performing better in a test of strength, IOW Thor = Colossus in strength.

I'd like to see some proof.

I don't have proof because I don't think Colossus is on Thor level and I don't think this team is winning. What I am telling you is, using that fight didn't help you at all since WWH would overpower Thor as well.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Thor's killed Hulk in what ifs you serial killer

He killed WWH? When?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't have proof because I don't think Colossus is on Thor level and I don't think this team is winning. What I am telling you is, using that fight didn't help you at all since WWH would overpower Thor as well.

You said that you couldn't see Thor performing better in a test of strength, IOW Thor = Colossus in strength.

when he broke hulks neck like the ***** he is

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
when he broke hulks neck like the ***** he is

Aaahhh, the Savage Hulk fight. I remember that. I'm talking about WWH though. When did he kill him in a what if?

Originally posted by carver9
He killed WWH? When? never said that happened but he's killed Savage quite violently. Something I'm sure you love

Mind you, Thor has overpowered a WW level Hulk in addition to an upgrade from an Asgardian weapon... So there's that

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
never said that happened but he's killed Savage quite violently. Something I'm sure you love

Mind you, Thor has overpowered a WW level Hulk in addition to an upgrade from an Asgardian weapon... So there's that

Im not even going to respond to this mess, so many errors and I'm not putting together the survey like I previously did. Believe what you want to believe.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not even going to respond to this mess, so many errors and I'm not putting together the survey like I previously did. Believe what you want to believe. So many errors in your mind you mean. I hit you with the truth so hard your brain stopped functioning spanning back to when you first joined

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/gallerypictures/21639L.jpg

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv100/odinson1973/WhatIfSecretInvasion.jpg

I like what ifs.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So many errors in your mind you mean. I hit you with the truth so hard your brain stopped functioning spanning back to when you first joined

Lol...why do you do this when you know its funny to me. Let me make it clear.

Thor pounding, pounding, pounding. Screaming he wants to kill Hulk.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg

Lol...fatigues himself...Nul bounced up like sh** didn't happen. Was he even on the ground a panel after being pounded on by an enraged Thor?

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg

Thor knows he can't beat Hulk (hell, he just gave his all and faitgued himself trying to take out the Hulk and couldn't even keep him down a panel and then admitted he couldn't defeat the Hulk).

So what does Thor do? He bfrs Hulk and then ko himself during the process.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg

Guess what Hulk was doing after this.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9397723/10-12-2011_13.jpg.html

Guess what Thor was doing after this?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwgzh36hJi1r1cx5vo1_500.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/gallerypictures/21639L.jpg

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv100/odinson1973/WhatIfSecretInvasion.jpg

I like what ifs.

I liked that Sentry comic and I wished Thor did that Foreal. You got one of Thor doing WWH like that?

So what you're saying is that Thor had trouble beating WWH with an Asgardian Hammer, and Hulk has a healing factor?

Ok I never denied any of this Carver.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So what you're saying is that Thor had trouble beating WWH with an Asgardian Hammer, and Hulk has a healing factor?

Ok I never denied any of this Carver.

You are a great debator...one of the best (make my stomach hurt saying that) but sometimes you say some of the most....

It was nothing shown during that arc that Nul was WWH levels. I'm not debating this though because I don't care about the topic.

Originally posted by carver9
I liked that Sentry comic and I wished Thor did that Foreal. You got one of Thor doing WWH like that? Me to. >_< No. The best I got is hulk groaning in pain from hitting Mjolnir while Thor is about to bring it down on his head. Then the fight is interrupted.

Originally posted by carver9
You are a great debator...one of the best (make my stomach hurt saying that) but sometimes you say some of the most....

It was nothing shown during that arc that Nul was WWH levels. I'm not debating this though because I don't care about the topic. I forgot that after WWH, that every feat where he didn't look quite as good didn't count and we should somehow believe he got weaker even though this makes no sense.

Actually even though Nul was severely pissed off with an Asgardian hammer and was strong enough to crush said hammer and a primary adamantium net (when WWH was pierced by adamantium spike bombs and Wolverine) that he wasn't at WWH levels.

Among other things

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/gallerypictures/21639L.jpg

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv100/odinson1973/WhatIfSecretInvasion.jpg

I like what ifs.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/whatif.jpg/

Originally posted by carver9
That's World War Hulk...I can't see Thor performing any better against that Hulk in a contest of strength. Just like WWH told Colossus.."against my Classic Self, you probably would have had a chance, not now though". WWH would have told Thor the same thing...hell, he did tell Thor and the Avengers the same thing.

Tell me more about Colossus being Thor's equal in strength.

Originally posted by zopzop
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/whatif.jpg/
The essential difference here is that when Sentry does something like that it sucks. When Thor does its badass.

Originally posted by zopzop
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/whatif.jpg/
That was from the what if 'What If this comic was written by a 4 year old'

Quite a radical idea to let Jeph Loeb's son write the comic...














Straight to the heart (of the monster)

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That was from the what if 'What If this comic was written by a 4 year old'

Quite an edgy idea I just assumed it was Bendis.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I just assumed it was Bendis. Same mindset

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I forgot that after WWH, that every feat where he didn't look quite as good didn't count and we should somehow believe he got weaker even though this makes no sense.

Actually even though Nul was severely pissed off with an Asgardian hammer and was strong enough to crush said hammer and a primary adamantium net (when WWH was pierced by adamantium spike bombs and Wolverine) that he wasn't at WWH levels.

Among other things
pwned

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I forgot that after WWH, that every feat where he didn't look quite as good didn't count and we should somehow believe he got weaker even though this makes no sense.

Actually even though Nul was severely pissed off with an Asgardian hammer and was strong enough to crush said hammer and a primary adamantium net (when WWH was pierced by adamantium spike bombs and Wolverine) that he wasn't at WWH levels.

Among other things

What do you mean he didnt look quite as good?

It wasnt Nul that crushed the Hammer. Hulk took control and destroyed the hammer.

Destroying adamantium? I'm more impressed by WWH nearly halting Juggernauts forward momentum than crushing adamantium.

Lol...Adamantium piercing WWH...lol, Spider Woman punches was knocking flesh off of Nul.

Originally posted by carver9
What do you mean he didnt look quite as good?

It wasnt Nul that crushed the Hammer. Hulk took control and destroyed the hammer.

Destroying adamantium? I'm more impressed by WWH nearly halting Juggernauts forward momentum than crushing adamantium.

Lol...Adamantium piercing WWH...lol, Spider Woman punches was knocking flesh off of Nul. HE still had the Nul spirit in him when he did it right? Which means h still had the amp.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...why do you do this when you know its funny to me. Let me make it clear.

Thor pounding, pounding, pounding. Screaming he wants to kill Hulk.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg

Lol...fatigues himself...Nul bounced up like sh** didn't happen. Was he even on the ground a panel after being pounded on by an enraged Thor?

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg

Thor knows he can't beat Hulk (hell, he just gave his all and faitgued himself trying to take out the Hulk and couldn't even keep him down a panel and then admitted he couldn't defeat the Hulk).

So what does Thor do? He bfrs Hulk and then ko himself during the process.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg

Guess what Hulk was doing after this.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/9397723/10-12-2011_13.jpg.html

Guess what Thor was doing after this?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwgzh36hJi1r1cx5vo1_500.jpg

Originally posted by Newjak
HE still had the Nul spirit in him when he did it right? Which means h still had the amp.

The same Nul that had a prolong fight with She Rulk but WWH was able to one panel her. The same Nul that had a prolong fight with Ms. Marvel but WWH had her pissing on herself to even touch him (and she had backup).

He had an amp but it was clear he wasnt WWH levels, not even close. I know you dream that he was (even though it still will not help you in any fashion regarding Thor) but he wasn't WWH.

Not to mention the fight with Spider-Woman... I guess its safe to say he was "intended" to be amped, but the end result was different... funny how comicbooks work some times.

Originally posted by SamZED
Not to mention the fight with Spider-Woman... I guess its safe to say he was "intended" to be amped, but the end result was different... funny how comicbooks work some times.

So much for those Protective Spells.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9324/nulvsavengers4.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2037/nulvsavengers6.jpg

The fact she's not dead in the second panel of the first page speaks for itself...

Concerning Nul:

I don't see how giving Hulk in his Green Scar persona an Asgardian Hammer somehow makes him weaker. That makes next to no sense and contradicts the intent of the writers. Bendis being Bendis and making Clint and the gang look good against Nul is par for the course.

Thor wins

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Concerning Nul:

I don't see how giving Hulk in his Green Scar persona an Asgardian Hammer somehow makes him weaker. That makes next to no sense and contradicts the intent of the writers. Bendis being Bendis and making Clint and the gang look good against Nul is par for the course.



It didn't make him less powerful in terms of having an object of power, but he was possessed by the Serpent like Cain was, when we saw him shackled up, and pushed behind the Serpents more dominant soul. The Hulk broke free of Nuls control later on after his battle with Thor, but while doing battle with Thor it wasn't banner in the drivers seat. Rulk, She Hulk, Betty, Skaar, Abom, and The Abomination can not amplify their strength nor could Nul Hulk, unless someone has proof that Nul had the ability to go World Breaker like the Green Skar could. With the knowledge of the Serpents Heralds being evil to the very core, if Nul could have gone World Breaker, and killed millions of innocents then he would have done so long before his battle with Thor, or even during his battle with Thor. This did not happen. What we saw was a Nul possessed Hulk unable to tap into the host bodies dynamic strength powers. The healing factor, speed and other powers that naturally come with being the Hulk are just passive powers, but the actual strength amping ability is a conscious one. Only Banner can do this. Oh and Lyra sort of.

I think Carver's point is that when Hulk picked up the hammer he was out having a picnic with Betty whereas WWH saw him "angrier than he ever has been". Also nothing he did in Fear Itself (bar the added versatility) wasn't anything he coudn't do prior and seemed physically more formidable during WWH than Fear Itself.

Imo Nul was intended to be roughly around the same level but this wasn't really shown on panel.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I think Carver's point is that when Hulk picked up the hammer he was out having a picnic with Betty whereas WWH saw him "angrier than he ever has been". Also nothing he did in Fear Itself (bar the added versatility) wasn't anything he coudn't do prior and seemed physically more formidable during WWH than Fear Itself.

Imo Nul was intended to be roughly around the same level but this wasn't really shown on panel.

I'm literally clapping right now. This is EXACTLY what I am saying. Nul did NOTHING to suggest he was a fraction of WWH power level. We don't exclude on panel proof off of what we believe. Nul had showings, similar showings to what WWH had and he failed, miserably. Besides versatility, I didn't see anything from Nul that shows he is close to what WWH was shown to be during the World at War arc. Hell, I was more impressed with an amped Ironman showing vs WWH than the Thor vs Nul fight...they were literally destroying mountains and cities during their scuffle.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OUJxBHMQVQU/T0dpusx0keI/AAAAAAAAAzA/7BSF2qT388w/s1600/colbert-shaking-head.gif

Originally posted by Stoic
It didn't make him less powerful in terms of having an object of power, but he was possessed by the Serpent like Cain was, when we saw him shackled up, and pushed behind the Serpents more dominant soul. The Hulk broke free of Nuls control later on after his battle with Thor, but while doing battle with Thor it wasn't banner in the drivers seat. Rulk, She Hulk, Betty, Skaar, Abom, and The Abomination can not amplify their strength nor could Nul Hulk, unless someone has proof that Nul had the ability to go World Breaker like the Green Skar could. With the knowledge of the Serpents Heralds being evil to the very core, if Nul could have gone World Breaker, and killed millions of innocents then he would have done so long before his battle with Thor, or even during his battle with Thor. This did not happen. What we saw was a Nul possessed Hulk unable to tap into the host bodies dynamic strength powers. The healing factor, speed and other powers that naturally come with being the Hulk are just passive powers, but the actual strength amping ability is a conscious one. Only Banner can do this. Oh and Lyra sort of. This makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Stoic
It didn't make him less powerful in terms of having an object of power, but he was possessed by the Serpent like Cain was, when we saw him shackled up, and pushed behind the Serpents more dominant soul. The Hulk broke free of Nuls control later on after his battle with Thor, but while doing battle with Thor it wasn't banner in the drivers seat. Rulk, She Hulk, Betty, Skaar, Abom, and The Abomination can not amplify their strength nor could Nul Hulk, unless someone has proof that Nul had the ability to go World Breaker like the Green Skar could. With the knowledge of the Serpents Heralds being evil to the very core, if Nul could have gone World Breaker, and killed millions of innocents then he would have done so long before his battle with Thor, or even during his battle with Thor. This did not happen. What we saw was a Nul possessed Hulk unable to tap into the host bodies dynamic strength powers. The healing factor, speed and other powers that naturally come with being the Hulk are just passive powers, but the actual strength amping ability is a conscious one. Only Banner can do this. Oh and Lyra sort of. That actually isn't true.

Cain was just letting the Serpent control him, he could have broken free at any moment. It also stated that a portion on Cain was in control which is why he walking instead of flying. This was stated in the same Thunderbolts issue Stoic is referencing.

Also let's look at the other Worthy.

Look angrir, I can't remember who but someone close enough to him to survive. He said Ben was afraid, not Angrir but Ben.

Look at the exchange between Nul Hulk and Thor.

When Thor says "I could never beat you."

Nul HUlk replied, "I always knew." Not Hulk always knew but I was the word used.

The characters persona were not locked away and pushed aside, they were still very much there and still very much out at front. They were just sharing and combined with the spirits.

Wasn't it Hulk who also said Nul is Hulk's anger given shape. I would guess that means Nul was plenty angry.

Originally posted by Newjak
That actually isn't true.

Cain was just letting the Serpent control him, he could have broken free at any moment. It also stated that a portion on Cain was in control which is why he walking instead of flying. This was stated in the same Thunderbolts issue Stoic is referencing.

Also let's look at the other Worthy.

Look angrir, I can't remember who but someone close enough to him to survive. He said Ben was afraid, not Angrir but Ben.

Look at the exchange between Nul Hulk and Thor.

When Thor says "I could never beat you."

Nul HUlk replied, "I always knew." Not Hulk always knew but I was the word used.

The characters persona were not locked away and pushed aside, they were still very much there and still very much out at front. They were just sharing and combined with the spirits.

Wasn't it Hulk who also said Nul is Hulk's anger given shape. I would guess that means Nul was plenty angry.

Hulk basically said they were one of the same which they were. The only thing is, Nul didn't know how to tap into his power like WWH does...not even close.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
In the What If Thor beat the sh** out of WWH. A what if, but I think quite accurate nonetheless. Scans?

By the way colossus and thing are class 100....
They lose though

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Scans?

Don't have any. It's the 2009 What If, and I think it's titled "What If World War Hulk". I'd like to see a "What If" Civil War with Thor. that would have been cool.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk basically said they were one of the same which they were. The only thing is, Nul didn't know how to tap into his power like WWH does...not even close.

Adding to this, is that if he did, he would have caused far more destruction than he did.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Don't have any. It's the 2009 What If, and I think it's titled "What If World War Hulk". I'd like to see a "What If" Civil War with Thor. that would have been cool. Iirc no one won the fight, it was pretty much a stalemate untill thor talked him to stop fighting because of civilians getting hurt.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Iirc no one won the fight, it was pretty much a stalemate untill thor talked him to stop fighting because of civilians getting hurt.

thor looked a lot better throughout the fight, and he was about to deliver a hard blow when the fight was stopped.

Originally posted by carver9
I like what ifs, dont you? It took all of these people to tackle WWH and they prepped for it just to beat him ( didn't have confidence in their power).

http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Scan015-016.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Scan017-1.jpg

My what if is A LOT better than yours.

I like this what if, don't you pillar?

Those scans aren't from a What If, IIRC, they're from a non-cannon army distributed comic or something of that sort, even more worthless than a What If.

Can someone post the rest of the scans from that fight? Hulk got his ass handed to him and at no point did he take on that entire line up. Everyone gets a shot in like a group beat down: Iron Fist and Cyclops attack him, in the next panel Hercules and Thor are beating him up etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Those scans aren't from a What If, IIRC, they're from a non-cannon army distributed comic or something of that sort, even more worthless than a What If.

Can someone post the rest of the scans from that fight? Hulk got his ass handed to him and at no point did he take on that entire line up. Everyone gets a shot in like a group beat down: Iron Fist and Cyclops attack him, in the next panel Hercules and Thor are beating him up etc.

You are missing the point...why did they bring all of those people on one character?

Even if you had a point (You don't), it's automatically disqualified by using such irrelevant scans.

Also, Hulk got his ass kicked and Thor/Sentry solo would be more than sufficient to take on Hulk.

This thread has some pretty ignorant posts. That's par for the course at this point though.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This thread has some pretty ignorant posts. That's par for the course at this point though.

Thor wins.


why?

Because physically, he's on an entirely different level, on top of his greater fighting skills, he runs through the.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
classic colossus durability is second only to juggernaut, followed closely by thing. there durability is there saving grace. thor has never demonstrated this superior fighting experience before...history dictates he is nothing more than an accomplished brawler
Originally posted by Sin I AM
yes colossus is more durable than thor, i dont even see how this is a debate

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because physically, he's on an entirely different level, on top of his greater fighting skills, he runs through the.


are u using average showings or high end feats?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jSzeb_3uFoM/TxNQGBN53aI/AAAAAAAAAoY/95VmMxRil1Y/s1600/flipping-table-gif.gif

@ some of these posts.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus




both statements are true

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Even if you had a point (You don't), it's automatically disqualified by using such irrelevant scans.

Also, Hulk got his ass kicked and Thor/Sentry solo would be more than sufficient to take on Hulk.

They must didnt believe that because if they did, they would not have had brought every Marvel hero on the planet to face Hulk and then they prepped for it.

Ever hear of overkill?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
are u using average showings or high end feats?

Either way, the team loses. There averages compared to Thor aren't exactly good, and in terms of high end showings he smokes them.

Of course, people can have different ideas as to how this terms define a character, something I'm weary off because any feat I post can be waved away as a high end showing.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
both statements are true

Lol, no. Colossus is a lot more durable to Thor and is only second to Juggernaut in that category? What breed of idiot are you supposed to be?

Edit: Nvm, forgot you're a woman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ever hear of overkill?

It didn't work...they even admitted it was difficult bringing him down so Thats why they shot him. Here is the entire scene.


http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_Scan015-016.jpg http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_Scan017-1.jpg http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_Scan018-1.jpg http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_Scan019.jpg http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_Scan020.jpg http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_Scan021-1.jpg http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/th_Scan022-1.jpg

By the way, this was Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by Timelord
Ben has heart... Team wins!

Thor will show it to him, still beating as he rips it from the Ben's chest.

Originally posted by carver9
It didn't work...they even admitted it was difficult bringing him down so Thats why they shot him. Here is the entire scene.

By the way, this was Savage Hulk.

Stop trying so hard Carver.

Its a numbers game

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Lol, no. Colossus is a lot more durable to Thor and is only second to Juggernaut in that category? What breed of idiot are you supposed to be?

Edit: Nvm, forgot you're a woman.


the strength gap between thor and colossus/thing is that great that he easily trumps the duo in h2h? even if they are low to middle end class 100s they still are credible enough bricks to make him work for any win


love the woman comment btw never heard that befor

I just now recalled something, didn't Doc Samson go H2H with Mindless Hulk and do a damn good job of it too (I mean yeah he wound up losing but hey)? This was the same Hulk that took on BOTH East AND West Coast Avengers.

I take it back, I think Team can do it : Doc Samson/Thing/Colossus (Rhino is just dead weight).

Originally posted by zopzop
I just now recalled something, didn't Doc Samson go H2H with Mindless Hulk and do a damn good job of it too (I mean yeah he wound up losing but hey)? This was the same Hulk that took on BOTH East AND West Coast Avengers.

I take it back, I think Team can do it : Doc Samson/Thing/Colossus (Rhino is just dead weight).
Yup, for nearly six hours.

I don't know. Depending on how strong you think WWH is over Thor, judging Doc Samson fight against WWH, Ares, She Hulk, and Doc Samson got one shotted by WWH.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulk-Shehulk1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulk-Shehulk2.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulkares.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound2.jpg

Again, you would have to base this on where you would place Thor, Mindless Hulk, against WWH strength wise because a argument can be made both ways since Ares gave Thor a fight (whereas he was one shotted by Hulk).

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAres01222.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAres02.jpg

Imo, Thor stomps. They would give him a fight but I can't see them dropping him.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't know. Depending on how strong you think WWH is over Thor, judging Doc Samson fight against WWH, Ares, She Hulk, and Doc Samson got one shotted by WWH.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulk-Shehulk1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulk-Shehulk2.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulkares.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound2.jpg

Again, you would have to base this on where you would place Thor, Mindless Hulk, against WWH strength wise because a argument can be made both ways since Ares gave Thor a fight (whereas he was one shotted by Hulk).

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAres01222.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsAres02.jpg

Imo, Thor stomps. They would give him a fight but I can't see them dropping him.


Facing a Pluto amped Ares is not the same as facing one just using his own powers.Dont understand why you do this it's not like you can claim ignorance when the respect thread you just pulled it from clearly stated he was amped.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Facing a Pluto amped Ares is not the same as facing one just using his own powers.Dont understand why you do this it's not like you can claim ignorance when the respect thread you just pulled it from clearly stated he was amped.

The scans I posted as well stated he was amped but didn't he keep this amp?

Originally posted by carver9
The scans I posted as well stated he was amped but didn't he keep this amp?


No

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
No

Gotcha...well, the rest of my post besides that still gives a point.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha...well, the rest of my post besides that still gives a point.


Yeah I know.

Originally posted by zopzop
I just now recalled something, didn't Doc Samson go H2H with Mindless Hulk and do a damn good job of it too (I mean yeah he wound up losing but hey)? This was the same Hulk that took on BOTH East AND West Coast Avengers.

I take it back, I think Team can do it : Doc Samson/Thing/Colossus (Rhino is just dead weight).

But that was like easily Samson's best showing, ever, from what I remember.

He also flat out said that a healthy Wonder Man was stronger than him and that his strength was only a fraction of the Hulk's, but he had a lot of heart during that era, Hulk would knock him down and turn away only for Samson to jump him again over and over. Even threw off four big guns off of him, granted they were distracted.

Samson at his best, should hold his own for some time against Thor, but I don't think the others add anything that can tip the scales.

Originally posted by carver9
The scans I posted as well stated he was amped but didn't he keep this amp?

Were you actually basing this assumption on anything besides wishful thinking?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
the strength gap between thor and colossus/thing is that great that he easily trumps the duo in h2h? even if they are low to middle end class 100s they still are credible enough bricks to make him work for any win


love the woman comment btw never heard that befor

Yup.

thor isn't strong enough to put all 4 down and isn't durable enough to take a beating from all 4 at the same time

if it was one at a time, thor might win. but facing all 4 at once, he loses.

Thor's strong enough to beat the crap out of them. What are you talking about? His feats of strength, stamina, and durability put him far above any of them.

Thor wins. Savage Hulk could barely muster a stalemate with Thor minus Miljnor.......now who thinks Savage Hulk can't beat this team??

Originally posted by Sundipped
Thor wins. Savage Hulk could barely muster a stalemate with Thor minus Miljnor.......now who thinks Savage Hulk can't beat this team??
Every member of this team has had extended fights with Savage Hulk aswell.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's strong enough to beat the crap out of them. What are you talking about? His feats of strength, stamina, and durability put him far above any of them. not really jakeypoo. he's only somewhat above colossus and thing in strength, and weaker in certain aspects of durability than either of those two. you can't just take thor's highest feats, judging by his average showing, he cannot take those 4 at the same time. Im not even sure he could take colossus and ben at the same time without mjolnir and his energy powers.

Considering Hulk's power level varies, fighting Hulk in of itself for a time isn't the be-all end-all of showings.

Even so, in terms of overall feats, none of them match up to Thor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
not really jakeypoo. he's only somewhat above colossus and thing in strength, and weaker in certain aspects of durability than either of those two. you can't just take thor's highest feats, judging by his average showing, he cannot take those 4 at the same time. Im not even sure he could take colossus and ben at the same time without mjolnir and his energy powers.

Are you high? "Somewhat" above Colossus and Thing? I'd love to see you prove that they're peers to Thor in terms of physical strength. Weaker in certain aspects of durability? Such as what? He's got them beat in durability and damage soak, and in a straight up brawl, he'll mess them up quicker than vice versa. I'm not taking Thor's highest feats, either. If I did, this would be borderline spite. Good thing for us I'm more than sure that he can take down Piotr and Ben without Mjolnir and his powers.

I get that you have some unnatural fixation on being wrong a lot, but you really need to get that checked out.

Thor is weaker in terms of pierce durability definitely than either thing or colossus. And they're all Cl100ers, so they're all in the same ballpark while thor is on the higher end of the spectrum.

Colossus would be on par with namor in strength, and thor is closer to sentry, and namor and sentry weren't that far apart in strength when they fought.

Originally posted by carver9
What do you mean he didnt look quite as good?

It wasnt Nul that crushed the Hammer. Hulk took control and destroyed the hammer.

Destroying adamantium? I'm more impressed by WWH nearly halting Juggernauts forward momentum than crushing adamantium.

Lol...Adamantium piercing WWH...lol, Spider Woman punches was knocking flesh off of Nul. He didn't look quite as good... to you, because Thor was matching him. You can't hype the shit out of him because deep down you know he's only Thor level.

Yet he was at the same level. No difference.

lol at nearly halting. Bring that up next time you say Nul has the strength of a God, or when you make a big deal out of him destroying adamantium.

I was just trying to make a comparison. Good job lowballing your favorite character. You want low feats though? How about Hulk getting his shit pushed in by Zom Strange when that same essence was one shotted by I believe Angel, when it was inside the Hulkbuster suit?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Thor wins. Savage Hulk could barely muster a stalemate with Thor minus Miljnor.......now who thinks Savage Hulk can't beat this team??

Not a good fight to reference. I promise you its not.

regardless push comes to shove ben and colossus are pretty decent bricks, they just dont get the shine and glory as hulk and thor. imo the can hold a even split with thor without mjolnir

Thor would tear through Ben and Colossus unless they have a huge amp in power, I know a lot of what these characters have done and it isn't even debatable tbh.

Heck, the Odinson would beat both Angrir and Juggernaut Colossus at the same time (With Mjolnir anyway).

Originally posted by Starscream M
Thor is weaker in terms of pierce durability definitely than either thing or colossus. And they're all Cl100ers, so they're all in the same ballpark while thor is on the higher end of the spectrum.

Colossus would be on par with namor in strength, and thor is closer to sentry, and namor and sentry weren't that far apart in strength when they fought.

Piercing durability means jack shit here. Unless you think someone's going to shiv someone else? Thor's got better blunt force trauma durability, stamina, and overall durability and strength. How this is debatable is beyond me.

Based on what is Colossus on par with Namor in strength? By your own incredibly flawed ABC Logic, you're saying Colossus is close to Sentry in strength. Which is beyond retarded.

Let me know when Ben or Piotr one-shot a fully hydrated Namor.