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Speed Force Bart Allen
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Professor Zoom
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Lord Mar-Vell
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Thanos
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VoidSentry
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Team Speedforce win.

Thanos is a non factor. If Runner had him about to shit himself just think what this team would do.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Team Speedforce win.

Thanos is a non factor. If Runner had him about to shit himself just think what this team would do.

Team two wins. They are just too powerful, and the very world that the battle would take place on would be obliterated. Where would the speedsters go or do then?

How would they touch the speedsters?

Who said anything about touching them?

Thanos gets crushed. Voidtry needs to get BFR'd into speedforce Mar-Vell gets taken out though.

^ Oh boy. You do know that a black hole was unable to crush Thanos right?

Originally posted by Uriel005
Thanos gets crushed. Voidtry needs to get BFR'd into speedforce Mar-Vell gets taken out though.

SF trick has been used in the past, so I could see it.

Originally posted by Stoic
^ Oh boy. You do know that a black hole was unable to crush Thanos right?
Rookie green lanterns handle the black holes. Black holes are the biggest jobbers in the comics alongside lasers and eternity.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Team Speedforce win.

Thanos is a non factor. If Runner had him about to shit himself just think what this team would do.

Runner would beat Flash like a redhead stepshild.
He's the Surfer's superior in strenght. What Flash can do about that? Plus, he was tapping in the space gem.

Team 2 murder team 1.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Runner would beat Flash like a redhead stepshild.
He's the Surfer's superior in strenght. What Flash can do about that? Plus, he was tapping in the space gem.

Team 2 murder team 1.
Just like SBP did, right? Only subconsciously IIRC. What other speed feats thanos has?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like SBP did, right? Only subconsciously IIRC. What other speed feats thanos has?

I know someone who could answer you...


I SUMMON YOU, QUANCHI!

Runner wouldn't beat Speed Force Bart Allen. At all.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I know someone who could answer you...


I SUMMON YOU, QUANCHI!
Yeah, yeah.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Runner would beat Flash like a redhead stepshild.
He's the Surfer's superior in strenght. What Flash can do about that? Plus, he was tapping in the space gem.

Team 2 murder team 1.

Runner vs. Flash is irrelevant. Thanos is.
He wasn't tapping the SG. It only allowed him to teleport vast distances. He was blitzing Thanos under his own power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rookie green lanterns handle the black holes. Black holes are the biggest jobbers in the comics alongside lasers and eternity.

can't tell if you are serious or not.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Runner would beat Flash like a redhead stepshild.
He's the Surfer's superior in strenght. What Flash can do about that? Plus, he was tapping in the space gem.

Team 2 murder team 1. First off, even though Runner isn't in this battle, he would stand absolutely NO chance against Flash merged with the ENTIRETY of the speed force (as he is in this thread.) Secondly, Runner was NOT tapping the gem when he trounced Thanos--he only used it to subconsciously teleport across vast distances. I do believe that was explicitly stated.

As for this match: in the opening attoseconds of the battle Flash could drain all of Thanos/Marv's kinetic energy, leaving them petrified. Then, in another attosecond or two, he could dump Void in the speed force.

In all likelihood, this battle wouldn't last more than 4-5 attoseconds, tops. ermm13

Ok, I hope I don't sound dumb when I say this but how fast is a attosecond?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attosecond

Originally posted by Galan007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attosecond

Ok, now that's insane.

^ Yeah, and the funny thing is that Flash, at standard levels, can perceive/react on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis:
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Hell, even when Bart Allen was a kid, he could react by the attosecond:
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And in this thread, Flash is merged with the ENTIRE speed force (he's not just leeching energy from it like Flashes usually do.) I doubt time -even units as miniscule as attoseconds- would even apply to him at that point--tacking on the Zooms is blatant overkill.

The Marvel team has NO way to win, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Yeah, and the funny thing is that Flash, at standard levels, can perceive/react on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis:
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Hell, even when Bart Allen was a kid, he could react by the attosecond:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/11351324_flashreaction.jpg


And in this thread, Flash is merged with the ENTIRE speed force (he's not just leeching energy from it like Flashes usually do.) I doubt time -even units as miniscule as attoseconds- would even apply to him--and tacking on the Zooms is blatant overkill.

The Marvel team has NO way to win, imo.

Why would DC even grant someone this kind of power? Insane. This battle comes down to the Flashes punching power. All of that speed is worthless if you can't drop your opponent and its rare for any Flash to dump someone into the speed force unless there is a major event.

^ In forum battles, all abilities are up for grabs. This means speed/kinetic energy stealing, infinite mass punches, and speed force dumping are up for grabs.

Speedsters win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rookie green lanterns handle the black holes. Black holes are the biggest jobbers in the comics alongside lasers and eternity. Lanterns aren't anywhere near the same level as black holes along with it being an artificial black hole affecting Thanos. Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I know someone who could answer you...


I SUMMON YOU, QUANCHI! Next time pm me I only clicked on this by mere chance. Thanos has speed feats against the Surfer in ig or the Fallen One. Thanos also slapped away Ganymede while she was able to blitz the Surfer prior to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lanterns aren't anywhere near the same level as black holes along with it being an artificial black hole affecting Thanos. Next time pm me I only clicked on this by mere chance. Thanos has speed feats against the Surfer in ig or the Fallen One. Thanos also slapped away Ganymede while she was able to blitz the Surfer prior to.
LOL, where do you find that? Tell me about this awesome artificial black hole quan, what did it do?

Here you go

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Need more?

Originally posted by abhilegend
LOL, where do you find that? Tell me about this awesome artificial black hole quan, what did it do?

Here you go

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl151_23_glc.jpg
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Need more? The artificial black hole was used to try and kill Thanos, it failed. You can't compare the black holes or plot device attacks such as black holes as evidence here.

They all look pre crisis. Gl's aren't anywhere near on the same level of Thanos. Thanos has weathered blasts from Tyrant, Odin, a well nourished Galactus, Maker, etc. Trying to use a black hole feat from most likely precrisis as some means of relevance to these characters is full of fail. It's absurd.

So, I'm glad that everybody choose the only logical choice, which is team 2 ftw.

Great day for humanity.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
So, I'm glad that everybody choose the only logical choice, which is team 2 ftw.

Great day for humanity. A truly awesome day for humanity.

But so far the only evidence that has been presented favors the Flashes. If a dude can perceive events on an attosecond basis, and has the requisite speed to actually react to said events then you haven't a prayer in hell of touching them.

Originally posted by dmills
But so far the only evidence that has been presented favors the Flashes. If a dude can perceive events on an attosecond basis, and has the requisite speed to actually react to said events then you haven't a prayer in hell of touching them. They fight in character.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They fight in character.

To the best of their abilities.

Originally posted by dmills
To the best of their abilities. That doesn't mean we ignore every instance of them getting hit based off a few scans.

C'mon guys, Flash can throw a trillion galaxy destroying punches in less than 1/1000000th of an atto-pico-nano-micro second. Team 2 has no chance. Give team 2 the IG and HOTU and they still get stomped.

Originally posted by vince_slice
C'mon guys, Flash can throw a trillion galaxy destroying punches in less than 1/1000000th of an atto-pico-nano-micro second. Team 2 has no chance. Give team 2 the IG and HOTU and they still get stomped. You joke but I've seen h1 argue the flash beats an ig user. It sometimes gets that bad.

If anyone thought this thread would turn out in any other fashion, you ought to slap yourself.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


If anyone thought this thread would turn out in any other fashion, you ought to slap yourself. I'm an optimist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't mean we ignore every instance of them getting hit based off a few scans.

And that's the eternal conundrum when debating about the Flashes. One would basically have to argue that every instance of them being tagged is PIS. Funnily enough, quite a bit of it does involve some sort of plot device type shyte.

Personally I generally stay away from debates involving KMC Flash.

Originally posted by dmills
And that's the eternal conundrum when debating about the Flashes.

Examples can be made for what Flash can theoretically do as well as the lack thereof on panel in some instances. It's just hard to find a medium.

Originally posted by Galan007


I read that as well. But that rule is almost always either flat out ignored or misinterpreted in some way.

Don't know how it can me misinterpreted. The rules flat-out state that Flash CAN use his speed to the best of his ability, because it's a proven fact he can move that fast.

Originally posted by dmills
I read that as well. But that rule is almost always either flat out ignored or misinterpreted in some way.

Ignored yes, misinterpreted I don't see how. The rule basically states all vibrating, IMPs, time travel, speed well beyond light etc. tactics are game every time.

Flash would have to be depowered in the op by the thread starter so he won't stomp a majority of the characters.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Ignored yes, misinterpreted I don't see how. The rule basically states all vibrating, IMPs, time travel, speed well beyond light etc. tactics are game every time.

Flash would have to be depowered in the op by the thread starter so he won't stomp a majority of the characters.

See, I don't agree with that because it has to be tempered by the "in character" rule as well. So if you're going to argue imp's, speed steal etc, then (imo) you're obligared to demonstrate that this is how he'd approach any given battle within the confines of his character. There's got to be a healthy medium. Because if not, I'm going to have a field day opening stargates in/on people and insta damage healing in Nova debates.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The artificial black hole was used to try and kill Thanos, it failed. You can't compare the black holes or plot device attacks such as black holes as evidence here.

They all look pre crisis. Gl's aren't anywhere near on the same level of Thanos. Thanos has weathered blasts from Tyrant, Odin, a well nourished Galactus, Maker, etc. Trying to use a black hole feat from most likely precrisis as some means of relevance to these characters is full of fail. It's absurd.
So, it was created to kill thanos and it failed. What's so awesome about it? Nope, some are PC which are canon to gls, some are post crisis and the one with modern art was from GL:recharge. I wasn't talking about those feats, I was talking about how tanking black holes is no big deal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, it was created to kill thanos and it failed. What's so awesome about it? Nope, some are PC which are canon to gls, some are post crisis and the one with modern art was from GL:recharge. I wasn't talking about those feats, I was talking about how tanking black holes is no big deal.

It depends on the writer. Some writers are more hard sci-fi in their approach and thus a black hole would be written as a big deal. But generally you're prolly right.

Originally posted by dmills
See, I don't agree with that because it has to be tempered by the "in character" rule as well. So if you're going to argue imp's, speed steal etc, then (imo) you're obligared to demonstrate that this is how he'd approach any given battle within the confines of his character. There's got to be a healthy medium. Because if not, I'm going to have a field day opening stargates in/on people and insta damage healing in Nova debates. Using Flash as an example, the rule explains what "in character" means. And, again, it also flat-out states that Flash CAN use the full extent of his speed to blitz his opponents on the outset of the battle.

Originally posted by dmills
It depends on the writer. Some writers are more hard sci-fi in their approach and thus a black hole would be written as a big deal. But generally you're prolly right.
Tell me about any instance a black hole actually destroys someone.

Originally posted by Galan007
Using Flash as an example, the rule explains what "in character" means. And, again, it also flat-out states that Flash CAN use the full extent of his speed to blitz his opponents on the outset of the battle.

I honestly have no beef with that approach if that's what's being argued. But Sundipped was trying to sell IMP'S and speed steals etc right out of the gate.

Those should be a viable tactics...



And considering for the purposes of this thread, Flash essentially IS the speed force, speed stealing and IMP's would likely be small-time feats for him. /shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell me about any instance a black hole actually destroys someone.

I don't know about "destroying" someone. I'm talking more along the lines of, "I'd better get the phuck outta here before I get sucked into this black hole" kind of deal. In other words, they'd rather not deal with it.

Originally posted by dmills
I don't know about "destroying" someone. I'm talking more along the lines of, "I'd better get the phuck outta here before I get sucked into this black hole" kind of deal. In other words, they'd rather not deal with it.
Any noteworthy character? Dazzler once went into one to find terrax who was living inside it.313











She was amped by galactus

Originally posted by Galan007
Those should be a viable tactics...



And considering for the purposes of this thread, Flash essentially IS the speed force, speed stealing and IMP's would likely be small-time feats for him. /shrug

I gotcha. However...




Furthermore...



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So if the aforementioned tactics fit within that context, I've no problem with it.

Originally posted by dmills
See, I don't agree with that because it has to be tempered by the "in character" rule as well. So if you're going to argue imp's, speed steal etc, then (imo) you're obligared to demonstrate that this is how he'd approach any given battle within the confines of his character. There's got to be a healthy medium. Because if not, I'm going to have a field day opening stargates in/on people and insta damage healing in Nova debates. Argument for in character power usage aside in character nothing touches them and they don't tire. In character they are going to do their best to avoid being hit while moving at top speed to make sure they don't get hit. In character they scale up as the fight goes on but they never actually exhaust themselves considering that at the least Barry was running for years at top speed in the Speedforce no need for food or anything. So they will dodge until they scale response that will eventually hit the need for IMP and lightspeed spam punches.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Argument for in character power usage aside in character nothing touches them and they don't tire. In character they are going to do their best to avoid being hit while moving at top speed to make sure they don't get hit. In character they scale up as the fight goes on but they never actually exhaust themselves considering that at the least Barry was running for years at top speed in the Speedforce no need for food or anything. So they will dodge until they scale response that will eventually hit the need for IMP and lightspeed spam punches.

Sounds reasonable enough.

Originally posted by dmills
I gotcha. However...




Furthermore...



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So if the aforementioned tactics fit within that context, I've no problem with it. Right. In the case of someone like Flash it means he WILL use his powers to their best, but he wouldn't do anything that might directly kill them--as killing an opponent WOULD be out of character. However blitzing, speed stealing, speed force dumping, and IMP'ing are tactics he's used before (w/o killing his opponent.) There is absolutely no reason to assume he wouldn't use those abilities in a forum battle--especially when the rules explicitly use him as an example of 'going all out'.

That's how I interpret it, at least. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Right. In the case of someone like Flash it means he WILL use his powers to their best, but he wouldn't do anything that might directly kill them--as killing an opponent WOULD be out of character. However blitzing, speed stealing, speed force dumping, and IMP'ing are tactics he's used before (w/o killing his opponent.) There is absolutely no reason to assume he wouldn't use those abilities in a forum battle--especially when the rules explicitly use him as an example of 'going all out'.

That's how I interpret it, at least. /shrug
You're always wrong, carver proved it so.sneer

I'm convinced carver is an idiot/savant... Not unlike Rain Man.

Sorta. kinda

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm convinced carver is an idiot/savant... Not unlike Rain Man.

Sorta. kinda
Nope. Carver is always right even when he is wrong. The wrong becomes right when carver commands it. Thus you're proven wrong.upnoneermm

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're always wrong, carver proved it so.sneer

I think you have a male crush on me. You keep bringing my name up when I'm not even involved in the thread.

Originally posted by carver9
I think you have a male crush on me. You keep bringing my name up when I'm not even involved in the thread.
LOL. You aren't involved in this thread? Could've fooled me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, it was created to kill thanos and it failed. What's so awesome about it? Nope, some are PC which are canon to gls, some are post crisis and the one with modern art was from GL:recharge. I wasn't talking about those feats, I was talking about how tanking black holes is no big deal. When did I ever say tanking a black hole proves anything. In comics all of this stuff doesn't carry over it just doesn't. It's how they match up against each other.

Originally posted by dmills
And that's the eternal conundrum when debating about the Flashes. One would basically have to argue that every instance of them being tagged is PIS. Funnily enough, quite a bit of it does involve some sort of plot device type shyte.

Personally I generally stay away from debates involving KMC Flash. To me it's ignoring 99 percent of his showings in favor of a few feats. I won't ever argue that way. Too cbrish for me.

Originally posted by Stoic
^ Oh boy. You do know that a black hole was unable to crush Thanos right? But it did some serious damage though. Did you know that a double black hole did absolutely nothing to Superman?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I ever say tanking a black hole proves anything. In comics all of this stuff doesn't carry over it just doesn't. It's how they match up against each other.

To me it's ignoring 99 percent of his showings in favor of a few feats. I won't ever argue that way. Too cbrish for me.

Over 99% of flash showings doesn't have him getting tagged by much slower enemies. So we are not ignoring 99% of his showings in a favor of a few feats. Rather you are.

Originally posted by h1a8
But it did some serious damage though. Did you know that a double black hole did absolutely nothing to Superman? The same black holes didn't hit both of them thus it is irrelevant. Seriously.

Originally posted by h1a8
But it did some serious damage though. Did you know that a double black hole did absolutely nothing to Superman?



Like Dmills said it really depends on the writer. Marvel tends to use them as incredible forces in the universe as they should be. Black holes in the Marvel U take the approach that not even light can escape their pull, and that any matter trapped within them would be crushed into sub atomic particles. DC seems to regard them as they would a freakish thunder storm. After all it took far less than a black hole to put Superman on his back, or beat the tar out of a rookie Green Lantern. What Thanos survived was hell, and we all know that Thanos can survive a hell of a lot more than a rookie Green Lantern can, based on what we have seen on panel.

Originally posted by Stoic
Like Dmills said it really depends on the writer. Marvel tends to use them as incredible forces in the universe as they should be. Black holes in the Marvel U take the approach that not even light can escape their pull, and that any matter trapped within them would be crushed into sub atomic particles. DC seems to regard them as they would a freakish thunder storm. After all it took far less than a black hole to put Superman on his back, or beat the tar out of a rookie Green Lantern. What Thanos survived was hell, and we all know that Thanos can survive a hell of a lot more than a rookie Green Lantern can, based on what we have seen on panel.
Really, you never saw terrax living in a black hole in fear of galactus or surfer fighting red shift in a black hole? Tell me more about these awesome marvel black holes?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really, you never saw terrax living in a black hole in fear of galactus or surfer fighting red shift in a black hole? Tell me more about these awesome marvel black holes?



It's obvious that the one Thanos survived was far greater than the one that Terrax lived in. That story was also very poorly written. You are speaking of the one that Dazzler becomes the Herald of Galactus correct? That story was so bad, that I question if it is canon.

You aren't suggesting that a Lantern is a match for Thanos are you? nonetheless a Rookie Lantern at that. DC tends to regard black holes the way that Marvel regards freakish storms. The couple of times that Marvel may have regarded a black hole as a place that a sentient could kick back and watch tv should be regarded as poor writing. If you're logic held any weight in this particular situation, a Rookie GL, or Superman himself would use Galactus as a welcome mat.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's obvious that the one Thanos survived was far greater than the one that Terrax lived in. That story was also very poorly written. You are speaking of the one that Dazzler becomes the Herald of Galactus correct? That story was so bad, that I question if it is canon.

You aren't suggesting that a Lantern is a match for Thanos are you? nonetheless a Rookie Lantern at that. DC tends to regard black holes the way that Marvel regards freakish storms. The couple of times that Marvel may have regarded a black hole as a place that a sentient could kick back and watch tv should be regarded as poor writing. If you're logic held any weight in this particular situation, a Rookie GL, or Superman himself would use Galactus as a welcome mat.
Got any proof that the black hole which was used for thanos was superior to that in which terrax lived instead of "OH NOES, ITS THANOS". I don't like a lot of stories, doesn't makes them non canon. You're completely missing my point, you stated that a black hole was unable to crush thanos like it was some super-duper feat which its not. Surfer regularly and casually walks in black holes, BRB has endured black holes etc. Its the same in both companies, black holes are jobbers in both dc and marvel.

It should be noted the size of the black hole matters, just like the size of an explosion. The size and destructive power of a black hole is related to its mass in the singularity. The greater the mass, the greater space-time is warped and ripped, and hence bigger the black hole. The black hole Thanos tanked was 4 light years in diameter. That is super massive, enough to engulf countless solar systems. Just food for thought.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It should be noted the size of the black hole matters, just like the size of an explosion. The size and destructive power of a black hole is related to its mass in the singularity. The greater the mass, the greater space-time is warped and ripped, and hence bigger the black hole. The black hole Thanos tanked was 4 light years in diameter. That is super massive, enough to engulf countless solar systems. Just food for thought.


Nice.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Got any proof that the black hole which was used for thanos was superior to that in which terrax lived instead of "OH NOES, ITS THANOS". I don't like a lot of stories, doesn't makes them non canon. You're completely missing my point, you stated that a black hole was unable to crush thanos like it was some super-duper feat which its not. Surfer regularly and casually walks in black holes, BRB has endured black holes etc. Its the same in both companies, black holes are jobbers in both dc and marvel.


The idea that Thanos has taken more damage on panel than a GL rookie is proof enough. For the black hole to have done that amount of damage to Thanos simply means that Superman and a rookie GL would have been in loads of trouble. I'm not sure if you are trying to low ball Thanos. I'm not trying to prop him up, but he has his durability feats, and on average they are a good deal greater than even big blues.

Thanos has survived blackholes. We've also seen him say "let's gtfoh because a singularity is beginning to form" during Annihilation: Silver Surfer. Neither instance is contradictory. It just means that he can deal if need be, he just would rather avoid it altogether which quite honestly is right in line with the character's persona. Thanos is generally an efficient dude that while insanely powerful, he often takes the path of least resistance to get the job done.

Think of it like this. You're a professional boxer hanging out at say, a bar having a few drinks with a nice young lady (or dude if that's your thing) when "too much to drink guy" starts making trouble harassing you etc. You, as a pro boxer, are comfortable in the knowledge that if need be you could kick this guy's ass, but then you'd have to deal with the hassle of the fight itself, bar security, maybe law enforcement gets involved and of course, inevitably, the lawyers. Rather then deal with that hassle you maybe just laugh the guy off, call security or better yet just leave with the chick. All better options then dealing with the hassle of a bar fight.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Runner would beat Flash like a redhead stepshild.
He's the Surfer's superior in strenght. What Flash can do about that? Plus, he was tapping in the space gem.

Team 2 murder team 1.


thumbsup

Originally posted by vince_slice


I didn't mean to imply the singularity was 4 light years wide because that's impossible and just insane. Thanos isn't that beastly. The comic stated everything within a 2 light year radius (4 light year diameter) was instantly sucked in. Keep in mind this isn't necessarily the event horizon, which is likely to be bigger.

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duster

Originally posted by vince_slice


I didn't mean to imply the singularity was 4 light years wide because that's impossible and just insane. Thanos isn't that beastly. The comic stated everything within a 2 light year radius (4 light year diameter) was instantly sucked in. Keep in mind this isn't necessarily the event horizon, which is likely to be bigger.

Yeah but for everything within 2 lightyears to be instantly sucked in still would require the singularity to be larger then a super massive black hole. Much larger.

Team 2.

No one team 1 has the power to put down any of team 2

No suprised people trying to lowball Thanos surving inside a closed Black Hole then teleporting out later

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah but for everything within 2 lightyears to be instantly sucked in still would require the singularity to be larger then a super massive black hole. Much larger.
Actually the black hole was a miniature black hole and thanos wasn't explicitly shown in the black hole. His ship was destroyed in an attempt to escape and I think that thanos is fast enough to teleport before sucked in the black hole.
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How would team 2 handle team 1??

team 1 DESTROYS team 2.

Originally posted by Blight
How would team 2 handle team 1??
By calling starlin.

Per Forum rules (which are pretty specific) there is no chance team 2 is going to land much of anything on team 1.

Originally posted by Blight
Per Forum rules (which are pretty specific) there is no chance team 2 is going to land much of anything on team 1.
Nope.
Starlin would reveal that it was a thanosi and real thanos has zoom level speed.thanduros

I loved Warlock and the Infinity Watch. I think that was probably my favorite Starlin work.

Originally posted by Blight
I loved Warlock and the Infinity Watch. I think that was probably my favorite Starlin work.
No infinity abyss, huh.131

Originally posted by Nihilist
Team 2.

No one team 1 has the power to put down any of team 2

No suprised people trying to lowball Thanos surving inside a closed Black Hole then teleporting out later No one on team 2 can touch team 1

Originally posted by abhilegend
No infinity abyss, huh.131
I read the first 2 issues. Not impressed. Always felt a little juvenile "LOOK AT MY CHARACTERRRRRAAAWWZZZ HE'S SO POWERFULZZZ YOU THOUGHT INFINITY GAUNTLET WAS POWERFUL!!!!"

Originally posted by vince_slice
It should be noted the size of the black hole matters, just like the size of an explosion. The size and destructive power of a black hole is related to its mass in the singularity. The greater the mass, the greater space-time is warped and ripped, and hence bigger the black hole. The black hole Thanos tanked was 4 light years in diameter. That is super massive, enough to engulf countless solar systems. Just food for thought. Thanos is just awesome. I feel bad for anyone who runs into him(me) on a bad day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos is just awesome. I feel bad for anyone who runs into him(me) on a bad day. He's okay.

Originally posted by Blight
He's okay. I just mean his feats and what not are just awesome.

Originally posted by Blight
I read the first 2 issues. Not impressed. Always felt a little juvenile "LOOK AT MY CHARACTERRRRRAAAWWZZZ HE'S SO POWERFULZZZ YOU THOUGHT INFINITY GAUNTLET WAS POWERFUL!!!!"
Heh, "LOLZ YOU THOUGHT THOR CAN BEAT THANOS, IT WAS A CLONE.LOOK AT MY CLONEZZZZZZ BEATING THOR, CLONEZ I SAY". Sometimes reading starlin's thanos it feels like he was jerking off when thinking about thanos.

Originally posted by Blight
Per Forum rules (which are pretty specific) there is no chance team 2 is going to land much of anything on team 1.

Basically.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just mean his feats and what not are just awesome.
Only feets? No wonder death wants that looser deadpool over thanos.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only feets? No wonder death wants that looser deadpool over thanos. Thanos has saved her bacon more than once. To court an abstract is a pretty high end feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has saved her bacon more than once. To court an abstract is a pretty high end feat.
Yeah, catwoman has many high feats since dating batman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, catwoman has many high feats since dating batman. Thanos just dates on a higher level than mere humans. It's ok.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos just dates on a higher level than mere humans. It's ok.

Thanos has been about as successful "dating" Death as I have

Originally posted by Cogito
Thanos has been about as successful "dating" Death as I have He's successfully courted death. What romance doesn't have it's ups and downs. Oh right you don't date. Sorry. I wish you all the best on eharmony.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos just dates on a higher level than mere humans. It's ok.
Are you sad about it? nutnut

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's successfully courted death. What romance doesn't have it's ups and downs. Oh right you don't date. Sorry. I wish you all the best on eharmony.

I work my magic on http://www.christianmingle.com

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually the black hole was a miniature black hole and thanos wasn't explicitly shown in the black hole. His ship was destroyed in an attempt to escape and I think that thanos is fast enough to teleport before sucked in the black hole.
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A black hole that can instantly suck in everything within a radius of 2 light years is not a miniature black hole. It's a super massive black hole, with a mass/weight of god knows how many suns, to be able to have that type of reach (and instantly too). But I'm not surprised a comic writer would make that mistake, it's not like learning astronomy is a pre-requisite to write comics. Although, it probably would help if you're writing sci-fi or cosmic stuff.

Also, I don't see any narration or art depiction that would suggest Thanos teleported away just before the black hole sucked everything in.

^That's not how it works. What was defined on panel is proof whether its right or wrong in real life. Comics don't follow real life science.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^That's not how it works. What was defined on panel is proof whether its right or wrong in real life. Comics don't follow real life science.

It also states everything within a 2 light year radius was sucked in instantly, this is big enough to engulf countless solar systems. If Starlin wants to call it a "miniature" black hole it's fine by me. But, labeling it as such doesn't diminish it's destructive power shown on panel.

That's like saying if an explosion destroys a planet, and the author labels it a small explosion, it some how makes it less impressive. Like you said, "that's not how it works".

^Where did I diminish its destructive power?

Originally posted by vince_slice
A black hole that can instantly suck in everything within a radius of 2 light years is not a miniature black hole. It's a super massive black hole, with a mass/weight of god knows how many suns, to be able to have that type of reach (and instantly too). But I'm not surprised a comic writer would make that mistake, it's not like learning astronomy is a pre-requisite to write comics. Although, it probably would help if you're writing sci-fi or cosmic stuff.

Also, I don't see any narration or art depiction that would suggest Thanos teleported away just before the black hole sucked everything in.

Ok, follow up research.

Currently the largest black hole known has an event horizon "about five times the distance between our sun and Pluto."

Distance from Sun to Pluto = 0.000624133538 light years
5x distance from Sun to Pluto = 0.00312066769 light years

A black hole with an event horizon of 4 light years is still about 1,282 times larger than the largest black hole ever recorded, if I've done my math correctly./

^Too much logic and nerd talk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Where did I diminish its destructive power?
So you don't have a problem with that black hole being massively powerful based on it's size?

Originally posted by vince_slice
So you don't have a problem with that black hole being massively powerful based on it's size?
Its comics, stupid shit happens all the time.

Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, follow up research.

Currently the largest black hole known has an event horizon "about five times the distance between our sun and Pluto."

Distance from Sun to Pluto = 0.000624133538 light years
5x distance from Sun to Pluto = 0.00312066769 light years

A black hole with an event horizon of 4 light years is still about 1,282 times larger than the largest black hole ever recorded, if I've done my math correctly./

Apparently this is suppose to be a "miniature" black hole, yet it's 1,282 times larger than the largest black hole recorded so far. I don't think Starlin knows how big 2 light years is.

If the diameter of the solar system is 0.001248 light years (assuming the radius of the solar system is from the sun to Pluto), and the black hole Thanos tanked was 4 light years in diameter, it would mean it was big enough to swallow 3,205 solar systems. This makes Superman tanking the equivalent of 50 supernovas look pretty miniscule doesn't it abhiligend?

This is why I originally refrained from using calculations, because it starts to get ridiculous when applied to comics. I'll just use to qualitative approach, and say the black hole is really, really big and powerful.

So I guess the question becomes "Was it really 2 light years we believe Thanos Tanked" or

"The author embelished how big it was and really it was a miniature black hole"

Sounds like the author is an idiot either way...

Originally posted by Blight
So I guess the question becomes "Was it really 2 light years we believe Thanos Tanked" or

"The author embelished how big it was and really it was a miniature black hole"

Sounds like the author is an idiot either way...

It was stated on panel to be 2 light years in radius, and the author labeling it as miniature won't change that fact. He could call the black hole anything he wants, it still wouldn't change the fact that it swallowed everything within 2 light years radius.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you sad about it? nutnut I can't date myself ya weirdo.

Originally posted by Cogito
I work my magic on http://www.christianmingle.com Go get em, ace.Originally posted by vince_slice
It was stated on panel to be 2 light years in radius, and the author labeling it as miniature won't change that fact. He could call the black hole anything he wants, it still wouldn't change the fact that it swallowed everything within 2 light years radius.

Originally posted by vince_slice
It was stated on panel to be 2 light years in radius, and the author labeling it as miniature won't change that fact. He could call the black hole anything he wants, it still wouldn't change the fact that it swallowed everything within 2 light years radius. I suppose so.

Unless Starlin is like my friend who said "Dude, did you see Jeremy? He ate like a MILLION chicken nuggets last night!!"

That's how I feel about Starlin's writing of Thanos, hahaha! Thanos is my friend's friend Jeremy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually the black hole was a miniature black hole and thanos wasn't explicitly shown in the black hole. His ship was destroyed in an attempt to escape and I think that thanos is fast enough to teleport before sucked in the black hole.
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i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosblackhole3.jpg It was shown nothing remained of the ship expect a small debris field whicjh Thanos was not amongst, let later teleported aboard a Skrull ship that was at the exact location 2 HOURS LATER.

Originally posted by Blight
Per Forum rules (which are pretty specific) there is no chance team 2 is going to land much of anything on team 1. Yeah if only Team 2 had a attack that covers omni directions!

Originally posted by Nihilist
It was shown nothing remained of the ship expect a small debris field whicjh Thanos was not amongst, let later teleported aboard a Skrull ship that was at the exact location 2 HOURS LATER.
I'm not sure what are you trying to say here. The narration says that thanos' ship was destroyed in an attempt of escape and the black hole only lasted 30 seconds. Thanos isn't a fool to endure the black hole for long and then teleport out of it.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah if only Team 2 had a attack that covers omni directions!
Alas, if only team 1 could phase through energy blasts!

Originally posted by abhilegend


Alas, if only team 1 could phase through energy blasts! Ha, I was going to say the same thing, Ninja.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not sure what are you trying to say here. The narration says that thanos' ship was destroyed in an attempt of escape and the black hole only lasted 30 seconds. Thanos isn't a fool to endure the black hole for long and then teleport out of it. Its made clear the only thing that remained was some small debris,fact it showed the debris which Thanos wasnt amongst it.

It was even shown and stated on panel the Skrull ship didnt pass the exact point where the Black Hole occured untill a couple of hourse later, thats when Thanos teleported aboard, lowball it all you want it only makes you look worse.

You show me any of them phasing through blasts as powerful as what Thanos uses.

^Pfft, my ninja-fu is better than yours.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Its made clear the only thing that remained was some small debris,fact it showed the debris which Thanos wasnt amongst it.

It was even shown and stated on panel the Skrull ship didnt pass the exact point where the Black Hole occured untill a couple of hourse later, thats when Thanos teleported aboard, lowball it all you want it only makes you look worse.

You show me any of them phasing through blasts as powerful as what Thanos uses.
How am I lowballing it? Did I say something about his durability being lowered? So thanos endured two hours in a black hole even though it collapsed in 30 seconds? Wut, what doess the power of blast has to do with intangibility? Does it makes them tangible somehow?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How am I lowballing it? Did I say something about his durability being lowered? So thanos endured two hours in a black hole even though it collapsed in 30 seconds? Wut, what doess the power of blast has to do with intangibility? Does it makes them tangible somehow? It closed, he was inside the cllosed Black Hole for a coouple of hours.

He handled Visions intangabilty easy enough and that was a weaker clone

Originally posted by Nihilist
It closed, he was inside the cllosed Black Hole for a coouple of hours.

He handled Visions intangabilty easy enough and that was a weaker clone
It was an unstable black hole which collapsed on itself. There was no indication that it was closed on thanos remaining in it. Thanos can't teleport to long distances? Totally different form of intangibility, vision uses density manipulation while flashes make their atoms slide through matter and energy ala shadocat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was an unstable black hole which collapsed on itself. There was no indication that it was closed on thanos remaining in it. Thanos can't teleport to long distances? Totally different form of intangibility, vision uses density manipulation while flashes make their atoms slide through matter and energy ala shadocat. [/QUOTEIt wasny unstable at all stop lying it was a artificial black Hole created for a purpose, the whole point of showing it was to shown Thanos so called perishing in the black hole, you are as bad as carver seriously its all explained on panel by Adam Warlock.

He doesnt use density manip when phasing.
and im stol waiting on proof of phaing through blast like Thanos ie a combo of cosmic energy and black arts

Originally posted by Nihilist
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was an unstable black hole which collapsed on itself. There was no indication that it was closed on thanos remaining in it. Thanos can't teleport to long distances? Totally different form of intangibility, vision uses density manipulation while flashes make their atoms slide through matter and energy ala shadocat.
What would you call a black hole which collapses on itself in 30 seconds? Wut, vision don't uses density manipulation while phasing? Go to flash respect thread, there are plenty of feats.