Superman vs Iron Man

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keiththegreat
Iron Man has the Hulkbuster Armor, except the "gloves" of the armor are made of kryptonite. Who wins?

Tony Stark
Ironman FTW

Delta1938
Lex Luthor in powered armor didn't do so well when Superman had been far more effected by Kryptonite.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/VS%20Armored%20Luthor/

He'd already BEEN exposed to an ever increasing intensity of Kryptonite, been in several fights, had some energy drained, then hit by Captain Atom channeling his energy through Kryptonite, and still beat Apokoliptian powered armor that had Kryptonite LASERs. Yeah, Superman's won in worse situations.

Nietzschean
you do know that Superman tends to feel better once he is away from Kryptonite, right?

it doesnt mean anything other than his ability recover and not his tolerance or immunity. CA blasted him and knocked him out that should tell u something, CA wasnt trying to kill him so I would assume it was a low blast that did him in.

Delta1938
Originally posted by Nietzschean
you do know that Superman tends to feel better once he is away from Kryptonite, right?

it doesnt mean anything other than his ability recover and not his tolerance or immunity. CA blasted him and knocked him out that should tell u something, CA wasnt trying to kill him so I would assume it was a low blast that did him in.

Actually, he was being exposed to Kryptonite for much of the storyline.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/VS%20Armored%20Luthor/?action=view&current=SupermanBatman06-1415.jpg

See that on the bottom? That was a chunk of Kryptonite the size of Australia, that had been effecting him for quite a while before this fight took place, and it's intensity increased as it got closer.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/VS%20Armored%20Luthor/?action=view&current=SupermanBatman06-04.jpg

See the middle panel? That's the Kryptonite effect really getting to him. Before Captain Atom ever comes into play.

Nietzschean
See the middle panel? That's the Kryptonite effect really getting to him. Before Captain Atom ever comes into play.

obviously the asteroid was effecting his judgment and screwing with him but are u seriously trying to argue that superman tolerance is high b/c of the asteroid approaching earth?

the distance is what allowed him to to tolerate the kryptonite, it would be like a mild poisoning.

again that doesnt prove anything for superman's kryptonite tolerance.

an asteroid that is million of miles away which is slightly effecting superman is not the same as a small radioactive rock in front of him that is being shoved into his face.

let me make this easier for u. I go outside on a hot day and i feel hot and bothered. do u think I am remotely tolerant or build up an immunity to solar radiation and can handle a nuclear rod that is dropped in my hands or right in front of me?

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Delta1938
Originally posted by Nietzschean
obviously the asteroid was effecting his judgment and screwing with him but are u seriously trying to argue that superman tolerance is high b/c of the asteroid approaching earth?

the distance is what allowed him to to tolerate the kryptonite, it would be like a mild poisoning.

again that doesnt prove anything for superman's kryptonite tolerance.

an asteroid that is million of miles away which is slightly effecting superman is not the same as a small radioactive rock in front of him that is being shoved into his face.

let me make this easier for u. I go outside on a hot day and i feel hot and bothered. do u think I am remotely tolerant or build up an immunity to solar radiation and can handle a nuclear rod that is dropped in my hands or right in front of me?

roll eyes (sarcastic)

I'm the only one who should be rolling his eyes. Of course you clearly didn't read the storyline. It HAD been effecting him, and for a while. And it was getting dangerous close to Earth. PAY ATTENTION to the middle panel where he's getting sick from the Kryptonite. Why would he have his head down like that and said he looks like he's going to puke if it wasn't bothering him?

But since you seem incapable of understanding it, would showing him still fighting despite taking Conduit's blasts be better for you?

Nietzschean
Originally posted by Delta1938


I know exactly what happen I am just amazed how u are trying to spin it. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Delta1938
Originally posted by Nietzschean
I know exactly what happen I am just amazed how u are trying to spin it. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Yeah, OHHHHHHH KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY then. I'm not spinning anything.

Tony Stark
IMO you can't compare Lex's armor to Iron Man's armor. IM's is much more advanced weaponry wise and in durability wise.

Diesldude
How is tony going to use kryptonite fists on someone he can't even see. Superman wins easily.

Odekahn
Originally posted by Tony Stark
IMO you can't compare Lex's armor to Iron Man's armor. IM's is much more advanced weaponry wise and in durability wise.

But we could compare Metallo.

Superman 10/10

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Diesldude
How is tony going to use kryptonite fists on someone he can't even see. Superman wins easily.


I guess in the same way General Grodd does to Flash

carver9
This would be a good fight even without the Kryptonite depending on which Hulk buster armor you are talking about. Which one is this?

Flyattractor
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Iron Man has the Hulkbuster Armor, except the "gloves" of the armor are made of kryptonite. Who wins? Isn't that kind of like saying that Tony can't come up with tech on his own good enough to take down The Big Boy Scout with out some kind of crutch???




of course its not like the HBarmour ever worked like a crap when used either...

abhilegend
Originally posted by Tony Stark
I guess in the same way General Grodd does to Flash
Who is general grodd?
Originally posted by carver9
This would be a good fight even without the Kryptonite depending on which Hulk buster armor you are talking about. Which one is this?
Hey carv, long time no see.

Delta1938
Originally posted by Tony Stark
IMO you can't compare Lex's armor to Iron Man's armor. IM's is much more advanced weaponry wise and in durability wise.

So how the Hell does that make me "spin" what happened? Superman isn't really facing anything he hasn't already dealt with in this scenario.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who is general grodd?

Gorilla Grodd got a serious promotion?

biensalsa
Is Sm using superspeed?

Will the Hb armor have lead?

CosmicComet
Originally posted by Tony Stark
I guess in the same way General Grodd does to Flash

Grodd? You mean terrible writing?

We aren't writing a fight here that has to come across as interesting and have suspense.

We are arguing a hypothetical fight.


One in which you have one guy that thinks at lightspeed, and another guy that does not.




http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/58424/1511960-superman609165uu.jpg

Delta1938
Originally posted by Delta1938
So how the Hell does that make me "spin" what happened? Superman isn't really facing anything he hasn't already dealt with in this scenario.

Sorry Tony Stark, mixed you up with someone else and noticed it after I couldn't edit it.

h1a8
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Iron Man has the Hulkbuster Armor, except the "gloves" of the armor are made of kryptonite. Who wins?

Superman wins. He could easily destroy the kryptonite with his hv.

cdtm
Superman should win.

He's smart enough, fast enough, and maneuverable enough to use hit and run tactics. If he tried grappling and standing toe to toe, he'd be at a disadvantage, but he can handle limited exposure to green K and still remain comfortably above Starks armors.

cdtm
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman wins. He could easily destroy the kryptonite with his hv.

Not really in character for him to do this though...

carver9
I would possibly give this Ironman the majority. This is one of the most powerful Ironman suits I have seen.



http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb2.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb3.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb4.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb5.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb6.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb7.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_hb8.jpg

cdtm
Is that from the Iron Man comic?

It looks like an extended scene from what was shown in World War Hulk.

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
Is that from the Iron Man comic?

It looks like an extended scene from what was shown in World War Hulk.

Yes. That was an enhanced suit... It was the original Hulk Buster but amped (as you can tell). They were literally wrecking mountains and destroying cities.

Here is another collision from the 2.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0016.jpg

They are miles away from the city...let's look at what's happening.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-018.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0019.jpg

Miles away. If its this armor, Superman isn't winning imo.

Placidity
Originally posted by carver9
Yes. That was an enhanced suit... It was the original Hulk Buster but amped (as you can tell). They were literally wrecking mountains and destroying cities.

Here is another collision from the 2.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0016.jpg

They are miles away from the city...let's look at what's happening.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-018.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/IncredibleHulk107-0019.jpg


So what you're saying by posting those scans is that Superman wins right?

carver9
Originally posted by Placidity
So what you're saying by posting those scans is that Superman wins right?

Yes.

Prep-Man
Iron Man could definetely win if its current superman. hell, he probably doesnt need the hulk busting armor.

carver9
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Iron Man could definetely win if its current superman. hell, he probably doesnt need the hulk busting armor.

Current Superman>Pre reboot Superman.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by carver9 Current Superman>Pre reboot Superman.

i agree, current superman is inferior. feat wise.

carver9
Originally posted by Prep-Man
i agree, current superman is superior feat wise.

Prep-Man
yep, glad u agree he is inferior.

Dream Stuff
Superman 10/10. Tony's got no answer for the speed.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Superman 10/10. Tony's got no answer for the speed.


Here we go again... SPEEDBLITZ ftw roll eyes (sarcastic)


Iron Man has faced and beat charcters as fast or faster than current Superman without question.

thepersuader
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Iron Man has the Hulkbuster Armor, except the "gloves" of the armor are made of kryptonite. Who wins?

Superman.

This is a little off topic but I have a question about supermans durability.
This is completely a "what if" situation. Lets say Superman is walking down a dark alley and the persuader jumps out of the shadows and swings his atomic axe full force at supermans neck. Lets say superman is amused by this masked villain and allows this to go down. Does the persuader have the necessary strength and more importantly can the atomic axe decapitate superman. The atomic axe is said to be able to cut through ANYTHING.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by Tony Stark



Iron Man has faced and beat charcters as fast or faster than current Superman without question.

Even if you were right, which you're not, it doesn't really prove anything. By your logic Deathstroke is faster than anyone in Marvel.

carver9
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Even if you were right, which you're not, it doesn't really prove anything. By your logic Deathstroke is faster than anyone in Marvel.

Lol...didn't you say current Supes could beat Thor?

carver9
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Superman 10/10. Tony's got no answer for the speed.

Hit him. Tony also have a nano second showing and has flown from the Earth to the sun in a panel.

Placidity
Originally posted by carver9
Hit him. Tony also have a nano second showing and has flown from the Earth to the sun in a panel.

Sure lets assume for the moment his suit can fly that fast (don't buy it, but I digress). But what would be really great was if you could explain how Stark, with human reflexes/perception, would REACT to Superman's speed? Thanks Dr Carver.

carver9
Originally posted by Placidity
Sure lets assume for the moment his suit can fly that fast (don't buy it, but I digress). But what would be really great was if you could explain how Stark, with human reflexes/perception, would REACT to Superman's speed? Thanks Dr Carver.

SMH. Literally.

Placidity
Originally posted by carver9
SMH. Literally.

Thought so.

carver9
Originally posted by Placidity
Thought so.

Naah, its too easy.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Hit him. Tony also have a nano second showing and has flown from the Earth to the sun in a panel.
Really, when? Superman has faster than nanosecond showing and flew from vega to earth in a few minutes.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really, when? Superman has faster than nanosecond showing and flew from vega to earth in a few minutes.

You actually believe him?

abhilegend
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You actually believe him?
Playing.uhuh

biensalsa
He does this to human reflexes

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/SMBMANNUAL1FASTERTHANBMCANREACT.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/SMBMANNUAL1FASTERTHANBMCANREACT2.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/supermanbatman047TAKESGUNAWAY.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/Legacies10-017.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/AOS566SUPERSPEED.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/AOS469SUPERSPEEDVSENERGYBEINGS.jpg

So basically, after he gets around the K gloves, He can basically just rape him, before He even notices it. smile

carver9
Originally posted by biensalsa
He does this to human reflexes

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/SMBMANNUAL1FASTERTHANBMCANREACT.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/SMBMANNUAL1FASTERTHANBMCANREACT2.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/supermanbatman047TAKESGUNAWAY.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/Legacies10-017.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/AOS566SUPERSPEED.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/AOS469SUPERSPEEDVSENERGYBEINGS.jpg

So basically, after he gets around the K gloves, He can basically just rape him, before He even notices it. smile

Mach 4? REALLY

carver9
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You actually believe him?

Does ANYONE actually listen to what you say (Superman 10 times stronger than Thor...Wonder Woman 5 Times stronger than Thor). Get out of here.

jalek moye
Originally posted by Placidity
Sure lets assume for the moment his suit can fly that fast (don't buy it, but I digress). But what would be really great was if you could explain how Stark, with human reflexes/perception, would REACT to Superman's speed? Thanks Dr Carver.

While superman is faster, Stark has way beyond human reflexes/perception in his suit.

biensalsa
Originally posted by carver9
Mach 4? REALLY

Yes that is because He does not wants to harm Batman, should I post the scan of him moving at mach 9,000 again? stick out tongue

biensalsa

carver9

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Current Superman>Pre reboot Superman.

I sincerely hope that's just another badly executed joke of yours.

--

Either way, even if you wanted to argue that Iron Man could physically challenge Pre Reboot Superman, Superman still has a sizeable speed advantage, so that should give him the advantage imo. As well as his other powers of course.

Starscream M
hulk buster would be waaaay too slow to deal with superman

JakeTheBank
Iron Man doesn't have "human" level reaction time; that was one of the main points of Extremis' upgrades. He was fast enough in his suit to surprise and keep up with Sentry, who wasn't jobbing for once (until Tony exploited CLOC). That's also coupled with his own form of "spider-sense".

Is Superman still faster? Sure, but unless Superman is going to be using his high end speed and tap into the Forum Force, I don't see why anyone would use instances of Superman punking human level reaction time as evidence to be used against Tony.

And guys, stop trying to use interviews as proof of anything. Means jackshit on the boards.

biensalsa
Originally posted by carver
You know right after this interview he said that he wasn't serious and that Thor is just as powerful and as strong as Superman right? Would you like for me to post what Pak said about WWH and Superman? Would you like for me to post what a writer said about Savage Hulk and Superman? Or how about WWH vs Galactus?

I am aware of that, this is why i also posted the editors note.

Difference with pak, is that he has not been a regular writter for sm, hell i do not even think he has ever been. Jurgens and busiek both have written both characters

CosmicComet
Iron Man has enhanced reflexes in his suit.

I'd put him on par with Thor and Wolverine level reaction wise--which is to say, he is nowhere near fast enough.


Originally posted by carver9
Lol...didn't you say current Supes could beat Thor?
Speed blitz still applies for a current Superman vs Thor fight.

biensalsa
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Iron Man doesn't have "human" level reaction time; that was one of the main points of Extremis' upgrades. He was fast enough in his suit to surprise and keep up with Sentry, who wasn't jobbing for once (until Tony exploited CLOC). That's also coupled with his own form of "spider-sense".

Is Superman still faster? Sure, but unless Superman is going to be using his high end speed and tap into the Forum Force, I don't see why anyone would use instances of Superman punking human level reaction time as evidence to be used against Tony.

And guys, stop trying to use interviews as proof of anything. Means jackshit on the boards.


Agreed interviewsmean jack, i was just pointing out how others agree on the issue.

But I don't think mach 9000 is high end speed feat tapping into
the forum force.

cdtm
Originally posted by biensalsa
Agreed interviewsmean jack, i was just pointing out how others agree on the issue.

But I don't think mach 9000 is high end speed feat tapping into
the forum force.

Agreed.

I know Tony has preset auto reactions in his suit, in addition to the Extremis...

But he's still facing someone fast enough to outrun Black Canary's cry and beat it to its destination...

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
I sincerely hope that's just another badly executed joke of yours.

--

Either way, even if you wanted to argue that Iron Man could physically challenge Pre Reboot Superman, Superman still has a sizeable speed advantage, so that should give him the advantage imo. As well as his other powers of course.

Of course I was playing.

And this is to everyone in here.

Lololol at Superman being untouchable.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Of course I was playing.

And this is to everyone in here.

Lololol at Superman being untouchable.
Lolololol at you still being here.uhuh
Where are tony's nanosecond feats?

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by carver9
Does ANYONE actually listen to what you say (Superman 10 times stronger than Thor...Wonder Woman 5 Times stronger than Thor). Get out of here.


Still waiting for you to show me the Wonder Woman quote. I'm pretty sure most people think YOU'RE the joke of this site also.

Badabing
Originally posted by carver9
Of course I was playing.

And this is to everyone in here.

Lololol at Superman being untouchable. Lololol at carver9 being unbannable. sneer

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by carver9
Would you like for me to post what Pak said about WWH and Superman?

Maybe if Pak wrote a Superman comic, he'd have some say, but until we see the Hulk overpower Superman in a comic (and actually we've seen the exact opposite), or the Hulk match Superman's high end strength and durability feats...not to mention gain all the other superpowers that Superman has, the Hulk will always be Superman's bit**.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Badabing
Lololol at carver9 being unbannable. sneer
icwutudidthere.duryes

carver9
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Maybe if Pak wrote a Superman comic, he'd have some say, but until we see the Hulk overpower Superman in a comic (and actually we've seen the exact opposite), or the Hulk match Superman's high end strength and durability feats...not to mention gain all the other superpowers that Superman has, the Hulk will always be Superman's bit**.

Superman is 10 times stronger than Thor. Wonder woman is 5 times stronger.

CosmicComet
Originally posted by carver9
Superman is 10 times stronger than Thor. Wonder woman is 5 times stronger.

Superman being 10 times stronger with quantifiable feats is reasonable.

PillarofOsiris
Originally posted by carver9
Superman is 10 times stronger than Thor. Wonder woman is 5 times stronger.

I've already shown you the link where I said Wonder Woman was stronger than Thor, and I even admitted I didn't know by how much. And with Superman I said based on Thor's WM amping him to 10x strength. Even if you don't agree with me, it's not as stupid as saying the Thing could beat down Superman, or Colossus or Thor would one-shit him.

Placidity
Originally posted by jalek moye
While superman is faster, Stark has way beyond human reflexes/perception in his suit.

So Tony never actually makes any decisions, his suit is all automated by AI? Tony just chilling inside? I think not. I have no doubt AI plays a big part, however whenever Ironman raises his arm to shoot someone or fly out of the way, thats Stark controlling the suit, not the other way round.

jalek moye
Originally posted by Placidity
So Tony never actually makes any decisions, his suit is all automated by AI? Tony just chilling inside? I think not. I have no doubt AI plays a big part, however whenever Ironman raises his arm to shoot someone or fly out of the way, thats Stark controlling the suit, not the other way round.

Umm his suit literally increases his reaction time/reflexes. Whether you like it or not Iron Man has beyond human reflexes in his suit. He moves his body faster then any normal human can and perceives and reacts to thinks much beyond his suit-less limit thanks to how his armor interfaces with his mind. Irc the extremis virus increased it even further.

Back in the day he might have had human reaction time but it's many years since then. This doesn't change the fact that he loses, but stating that he has only human reaction time in the suit is factually wrong.

Placidity
Originally posted by jalek moye
Umm his suit literally increases his reaction time/reflexes. Whether you like it or not Iron Man has beyond human reflexes in his suit. He moves his body faster then any normal human can and perceives and reacts to thinks much beyond his suit-less limit thanks to how his armor interfaces with his mind. Irc the extremis virus increased it even further.

Back in the day he might have had human reaction time but it's many years since then. This doesn't change the fact that he loses, but stating that he has only human reaction time in the suit is factually wrong.

Ok, if its true the suit enhances his brain, then that would make sense.

That's still a looong shot from claiming he can keep up with Superman.

carver9
Originally posted by Placidity
Ok, if its true the suit enhances his brain, then that would make sense.

That's still a looong shot from claiming he can keep up with Superman.

Sigh*

Delta1938
Originally posted by thepersuader
Superman.

This is a little off topic but I have a question about supermans durability.
This is completely a "what if" situation. Lets say Superman is walking down a dark alley and the persuader jumps out of the shadows and swings his atomic axe full force at supermans neck. Lets say superman is amused by this masked villain and allows this to go down. Does the persuader have the necessary strength and more importantly can the atomic axe decapitate superman. The atomic axe is said to be able to cut through ANYTHING.

I know in an issue preluding OUR WORLDS AT WAR we saw Superman get cut, but it wasn't actually Persuader, it was a hardlight construct(Warworld was doing that to create all of the Fatal Five). So I dunno if the real Atomic Axe would cut Superman or not, but to me it implied the writer thought it could.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh*

Truth hurts Carver.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Truth hurts Carver.

I'm just tired of arguing the same thing for years and years. Why don't you all just give it up already? D***.

Sr J-Bieb
Originally posted by carver9
I'm just tired of arguing the same thing for years and years. Why don't you all just give it up already? D***. Why don't you

End it Carver. Look at all your pills, and think about a better tomorrow

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
I'm just tired of arguing the same thing for years and years. Why don't you all just give it up already? D***.

Enabling your delusions would be wrong, and I won't do that to you.

carver9
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Why don't you

End it Carver. Look at all your pills, and think about a better tomorrow

Lol...why would I do that? Rid this world of a gorgeous chocolate man. Sounds insane.

Badabing
Pr, we could always end the debate...


































...WITH THE BANNING OF CARVER! osheet

carver9
Originally posted by Badabing
Pr, we could always end the debate...


































...WITH THE BANNING OF CARVER! osheet

Lol...wow. Before you do this, let me know so that I can rush and send my buddies PMS telling them HOOOOLLA.

Happy Dance

Blair Wind
Originally posted by Placidity
Ok, if its true the suit enhances his brain, then that would make sense.

That's still a looong shot from claiming he can keep up with Superman.

No. He is the suit now. He integrated it with his body. So he is no longer a non-enhanced human. He thinks, moves, and works at stupidly fast speeds now.

I think Superman is more powerful in every single area of contention, Iron Man is simply more versatile. I don't know if anything that Iron Man has on his armor as a standard would be able to defeat him in a non-prepped match (I'm sure if I could think of something if pressed), but I know for a fact that he has made inventions that could defeat him (of which I'm saving for a tournament, if we ever have one again, so I won't mention it here).

Delta1938
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...wow. Before you do this, let me know so that I can rush and send my buddies PMS telling them HOOOOLLA.

Happy Dance

You give your buddies PMS? You must be cursed.

carver9
Originally posted by Delta1938
You give your buddies PMS? You must be cursed.

laughing out loud

Delta1938
Well Carver, since you called me buddy in another thread, I must inform you that if you give me the curse I'll have to track you down and do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebGspy3Yv0g

Including singing randomly thrown together English and Icelandic words like the song in the video. hm Better learn Icelandic in case.

carver9
Originally posted by Delta1938
Well Carver, since you called me buddy in another thread, I must inform you that if you give me the curse I'll have to track you down and do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebGspy3Yv0g

Including singing randomly thrown together English and Icelandic words like the song in the video. hm Better learn Icelandic in case.

laughing out loud I love it. That was an amazing video. What kind of UFC is that (the ref just allowed people to get stepped on).?

Delta1938
Originally posted by carver9
laughing out loud I love it. That was an amazing video. What kind of UFC is that (the ref just allowed people to get stepped on).?

Well, one, "UFC" is a promotion. Though a lot of people actually think UFC IS . Most of the fights in there were from Pride Fighting Championship. Japanese promotion. Lot of Pride fanboys think Pride was way better than the UFC. Well, they allowed soccer kicks, stomps and knees to the head of a downed opponent. Also, although Pride had weight classes, due to no laws in Japan actually enforced them(unlike athletic commissions here in the U.S.) they often had a lot of fights where the fighters had a full weight class or even more between them. This is the most extreme example of that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxlZ52O0rI

Also, some of those fights were in Brazilian "Vale Tudo"(means "Anything Goes;" pretty much just what they called MMA there at the time) fights. Which were even more brutal than the Pride fights. The UFC was basically born out of Vale Tudo, and had the same limited rules before regulation. The early fights had no judges, no rounds, no time limits, and the only things disallowed were biting, eye-gouging, and fish hooking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish-hooking

In fact, in the early UFCs and Vale Tudo in Brazil, not only were soccer kicks, stomps and knees to the head of a grounded opponent were allowed, but also headbutting and strikes to the groin. The video's no longer up, but there was a fight where Garry Goodridge's entire strategy consisted of "take away the man's ability to have children." Including him actually reaching into the guy's shorts and uh, having a squeeze. I guess sexual assault was allowed? Anyways, here's one video of early UFC allowing groin strikes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Mva-3n7TY

And that's actually the guy who played Random Task, the Oddjob parody, in the first AUSTIN POWERS movie. The sweet, sweet irony there is the dude getting struck in the groin? He would later be arrested for participating in a gang-rape that happened before that fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Son#Legal_problems

And as you can see below, he was also a terrible MMA fighter not only losing every fight he'd been in(including one kickboxing bout), but submitted by....."terror." No, I don't know why it says "Submission Terror" on his record.

Oh yeah, and he was religious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9eRehnMiY

Quite possibly the most famous terrible fighter ever.

carver9
Originally posted by Delta1938
Well, one, "UFC" is a promotion. Though a lot of people actually think UFC IS . Most of the fights in there were from Pride Fighting Championship. Japanese promotion. Lot of Pride fanboys think Pride was way better than the UFC. Well, they allowed soccer kicks, stomps and knees to the head of a downed opponent. Also, although Pride had weight classes, due to no laws in Japan actually enforced them(unlike athletic commissions here in the U.S.) they often had a lot of fights where the fighters had a full weight class or even more between them. This is the most extreme example of that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxlZ52O0rI

Also, some of those fights were in Brazilian "Vale Tudo"(means "Anything Goes;" pretty much just what they called MMA there at the time) fights. Which were even more brutal than the Pride fights. The UFC was basically born out of Vale Tudo, and had the same limited rules before regulation. The early fights had no judges, no rounds, no time limits, and the only things disallowed were biting, eye-gouging, and fish hooking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish-hooking

In fact, in the early UFCs and Vale Tudo in Brazil, not only were soccer kicks, stomps and knees to the head of a grounded opponent were allowed, but also headbutting and strikes to the groin. The video's no longer up, but there was a fight where Garry Goodridge's entire strategy consisted of "take away the man's ability to have children." Including him actually reaching into the guy's shorts and uh, having a squeeze. I guess sexual assault was allowed? Anyways, here's one video of early UFC allowing groin strikes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Mva-3n7TY

And that's actually the guy who played Random Task, the Oddjob parody, in the first AUSTIN POWERS movie. The sweet, sweet irony there is the dude getting struck in the groin? He would later be arrested for participating in a gang-rape that happened before that fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Son#Legal_problems

And as you can see below, he was also a terrible MMA fighter not only losing every fight he'd been in(including one kickboxing bout), but submitted by....."terror." No, I don't know why it says "Submission Terror" on his record.

Oh yeah, and he was religious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9eRehnMiY

Quite possibly the most famous terrible fighter ever.

D***, I have to start looking at this. It's awesome. It's dangerous though...I'm pretty sure someone have probably died from this type of fighting. They are allowing people to get kicked in the head along with everything else.

Delta1938
Originally posted by carver9
D***, I have to start looking at this. It's awesome. It's dangerous though...I'm pretty sure someone have probably died from this type of fighting. They are allowing people to get kicked in the head along with everything else.

Well, the UFC and most promotions don't allow kicks/knees to the head of a downed opponent. The new One Fighting Championship does allow it, though, as well as elbow strikes(Pride didn't allow elbow strikes, nor does their "successor" DREAM).

And as for danger, actually, boxing is statistically more dangerous than MMA. There's only been two, maybe 3 deaths attributed directly to MMA fights(the danger comes more from things like cutting weight, as some people who are new to it do it improperly and have nearly died after the fights, but boxers and wrestlers cut weight too). And one of those deaths could've been avoided if the fighter actually did what he was supposed to(had a brain injury where he was told to take a year off, didn't, went to Russia or somewhere around there where he didn't have to be medically cleared, died during the fight).

Boxing averages 5 deaths nowadays a year attributed to boxing. MMA still has fewer deaths in it's entire modern history(if you don't count Victorian era Boxing VS Wrestling/Jujitsu or Wrestling VS Jujitsu matches, or Vale Tudo's century-long history) period than boxing has in it's entire modern history. And boxing was actually safer when it was bare-knuckled(seriously; statistics back this, and there's good reasons it was safer without gloves). And yes, I'm including Pride's history and the UFC's "Dark Ages" when they allowed kicking a downed opponent in the head. Unless you go back REALLY far to Ancient Greece with Pankration, but deaths were more common because fighters generally refused to submit and were choked to death(nowadays, the ref stops the fight if the fighter was choked unconscious).

But yeah, if you're new to this, I suggest you start by checking-out Anderson Silva.

h1a8
Originally posted by cdtm
Not really in character for him to do this though...

It is highly in his character. Learn CIS properly. There is no way Superman from .5km away is going to purposely get close to kryptonite while knowing that he can instantly destroy it without killing someone. The only way Superman is going to get close to kryptonite is when he doesn't know this will happen through lead). Tony must hide it. Otherwise Supe is going to destroy the kryptonite (as he has done in the past) with his hv.

DARTH POWER
Originally posted by Placidity
So Tony never actually makes any decisions, his suit is all automated by AI? Tony just chilling inside? I think not. I have no doubt AI plays a big part, however whenever Ironman raises his arm to shoot someone or fly out of the way, thats Stark controlling the suit, not the other way round.

Come on dude. Supes wins this, but don't comment on what a character can or can't do if your not familiar/up to date on his powerset.

In his most powerful Hulk-Busting armour, and with Supes starting the fight as he usually does, they will trade blows for a while. Then Supes will go all out and speed blitz him.

As much as I love Iron man this is not a fight he can win without complete character and weakness exploitation. And that means more than just Kryptonite gloves Lol.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Badabing
Pr, we could always end the debate...


































...WITH THE BANNING OF CARVER! osheet

mmm Sounds like a plan.

DarkSaint85
Ok, I have seen lots of arguments for the enhanced Extremis level reaction times of Stark.

What are his fastest reaction times? We'll go from there. Superman's speed blitzing and reaction times are well known, so we don't need to repost them (plus, Abhilegend has already done that).

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
mmm Sounds like a plan.

Wow, that's all I can say to this is WOW.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Badabing
Pr, we could always end the debate...


































...WITH THE BANNING OF CARVER! osheet
laughing out loud

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