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Sorrows gaze ftw.

Mar-Vell might be immune to it due to having Death not apply to him

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Mar-Vell might be immune to it due to having Death not apply to him
It will paralyze him though.
It even paralyzed Shazam.

JS is broken without PIS/CIS.

Originally posted by Estacado
It will paralyze him though.
It even paralyzed Shazam. This.

Even if the gaze didn't kill Marv, it'd have SOME kind of negative effect.

Originally posted by Estacado
It will paralyze him though.
It even paralyzed Shazam.



Which was f'ing impressive.

Team 1

Originally posted by Galan007
This.

Even if the gaze didn't kill Marv, it'd have SOME kind of negative effect.

Yeah, that's how I feel.

I don't really see why, with the vast power array at Team 2's disposal, they'd have to suffer a gaze attack.

The moment that Johnny materializes, gets ready to remove his mask, Mar-Vell should just destroy him.

I don't really know how Team 2 fares against a telepath of Despero's might, but they shouldn't lose because of Johnny.

Originally posted by Existere
I don't really see why, with the vast power array at Team 2's disposal, they'd have to suffer a gaze attack.

The moment that Johnny materializes, gets ready to remove his mask, Mar-Vell should just destroy him.

I don't really know how Team 2 fares against a telepath of Despero's might, but they shouldn't lose because of Johnny. Marvell had some form of TP, he broke Novas worlmind mental defences(not sure it works due to it being non human)

Originally posted by Existere
I don't really see why, with the vast power array at Team 2's disposal, they'd have to suffer a gaze attack.

The moment that Johnny materializes, gets ready to remove his mask, Mar-Vell should just destroy him.

I don't really know how Team 2 fares against a telepath of Despero's might, but they shouldn't lose because of Johnny.
Still V&V Despero could take on Mar-Vell phisically imo.

I re-read V&V recently. Despero wasn't as impressive as I remembered.

Originally posted by Digi
I re-read V&V recently. Despero wasn't as impressive as I remembered.
Then read it again.estahuh

V&V Despero owned Captain Marvel and Superman at the same time. That's impressive.

It is, no doubt. It's just...he didn't do a ton before they banded together and Rock of Eternity'd him. The team-crushing super badass you see on KMC doesn't really match with "well, a few heralds being smart can probably muster the oomph to beat him."

^ You're right, he didn't do much until the end of the issue. Aside from lifting the RoE, he did own Superman, Captain Marvel, Dianna, Power Girl, Hourman, and Plastic Man collectively, though... Which still is purtty impressive, imo.

At any rate, I think Johnny is the main reason team 1 wins. If his gaze alone wasn't enough, surely his energy manipulation skills would be sufficient to negate anything Marv threw his way. IIRC he owned Alan+Kyle+Firestorm+Fate+Zatanna(etc.) by manipulating their energies, right?

Originally posted by Galan007
V&V Despero owned Captain Marvel and Superman at the same time. That's impressive.
Digi dressed as The Doctor is more impressive.:P