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Who wins.

popcorn
inb4 dmills vs jake.

Originally posted by abhilegend
popcorn
inb4 dmills vs jake.

Not Nova.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dQ5j26OXRu8/T2Z8ijj_IBI/AAAAAAAAA1g/0EBhVgyRbpQ/s1600/tom-cruise-sunglasses.gif

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not Nova.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dQ5j26OXRu8/T2Z8ijj_IBI/AAAAAAAAA1g/0EBhVgyRbpQ/s1600/tom-cruise-sunglasses.gif How

Tech, intellect, magic, general badassery.

I'm siding with Dr. Doom.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Tech, intellect, magic, general badassery. How does that beat Riders Tech,worldminds intellect,battle savy, heroic courage.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not Nova.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dQ5j26OXRu8/T2Z8ijj_IBI/AAAAAAAAA1g/0EBhVgyRbpQ/s1600/tom-cruise-sunglasses.gif
shrug

Originally posted by Nihilist
How does that beat Riders Tech,worldminds intellect,battle savy, heroic courage.

Doom's mysticism is what puts him over the edge. Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, summoning Mindless Ones, spells capable of damaging top tiers, etc.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doom's mysticism is what puts him over the edge. Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, summoning Mindless Ones, spells capable of damaging top tiers, etc. Nova shields stood up the the Sphinx using both KA stones.

Nova speed would cause Doom big trouble

What's stopping an easy speed blitz /serious


Anyway Doom /brainwashed

Originally posted by Nihilist
How does that beat Riders Tech,worldminds intellect,battle savy, heroic courage.

It doesn't...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/n_a-2-1.jpg

Originally posted by Nihilist
Nova shields stood up the the Sphinx using both KA stones.

Nova speed would cause Doom big trouble

Doom's shields have likewise stoop up to a lot.

His speed's impressive, but Doom's magic is an incredibly potent wild card.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What's stopping an easy speed blitz

Doom.

Eh. Nova.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doom's shields have likewise stoop up to a lot.

His speed's impressive, but Doom's magic is an incredibly potent wild card. Sentry ripped through them like tissue paper.

His speed is too much for Doom to handle

Originally posted by Nihilist
Sentry ripped through them like tissue paper.

His speed is too much for Doom to handle

Sentry would merc Nova, too if he was having a good day. Prior to that a simple spell from Doom nearly caused Sentry to lose his shit. Doom also survived being attacked by mad Celestials just recently. His armor and shields have a impressive laundry list of accomplishments. Either way, Sentry going through them isn't a low showing for Doom.

I doubt it.

Is Doom's reaction time anything above peak human at all?

Yes.

His mind and reactions work faster than the most sophiscated supercomputers on the planet. Plus he caught Lord Rogers' shield toss in mid-air. Abstract level feat.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Sentry would merc Nova, too if he was having a good day. Prior to that a simple spell from Doom nearly caused Sentry to lose his shit. Doom also survived being attacked by mad Celestials just recently. His armor and shields have a impressive laundry list of accomplishments. Either way, Sentry going through. them isn't a low showing for Doom.

I doubt it. What Sentry would do to Nova means nothing, plus Sentry has no feats saying he'd bust through Novas shields. Lord Marvell only just got through Novas menatl defences, and he (LM) is above Doom.
Sphinx with the 2 KA stones was merging 2 timelines, that alone shows his power was greater the mad Celestials.

The complete ease he went through Dooms shields shows the aint all that great combined with speed

So his reflexes can be measured in nanoseconds?

I can buy that his brain works that fast to come up with a solution to a problem in front of him, but being able to actually move his body within nanoseconds?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doom's mysticism is what puts him over the edge. Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, summoning Mindless Ones, spells capable of damaging top tiers, etc.


Nova tanks the magic blasts

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1333565934165.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1333566033894.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1333566067853.jpg


Nova places Doom in a node that cancels out his magic...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1332947041.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1332947090.jpg

And casually gets rid of the mindless ones...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1332130549.jpg

Nova Prime?

Nova is the Super Intergalactic Cop who will bring Doom to Justice!

Originally posted by Nihilist
What Sentry would do to Nova means nothing, plus Sentry has no feats saying he'd bust through Novas shields. Lord Marvell only just got through Novas menatl defences, and he (LM) is above Doom.
Sphinx with the 2 KA stones was merging 2 timelines, that alone shows his power was greater the mad Celestials.

The complete ease he went through Dooms shields shows the aint all that great combined with speed

Yes, he does.

God knows I phucking despise the Sentry with a passion to darken the very sun itself, but he's powerful as hell and you can't deny it. Shitty character, sure, but when he's operating on a good day, he's easily High Herald or Trans. My point is that using Sentry as a means to discredit or downplay Doom's shield isn't a good example at all. And then you have everything else Doom's shields and armor have taken such as the Infinity Gauntlet, Classic Beyonder, attacks from bonafide heralds beings, etc.

I don't see Nova's speed being much of an overwhelming factor at all against Doom and everything he brings to the table.

Doom is a big problem for most heralds. Thor, Sentry etc. Nova isn't walking through doom that's for sure.

I sort of think Magneto has a better chance of besting Nova than Doom does, and people seemed to think that he would lose.

I don't think Doom's shields could hold up to a prolonged assault from Nova and I don't think that Doom's shown enough prowess with any of his offenses to definitively say he could put Nova down more often than not.

Flip side, I don't think Nova's done enough with nodes (that I've seen anyways) to make me believe he could casually cancel out anything Doom tosses his way/throw up in defense.

But yeah, Nova probably takes this the majority.

I changed my mind. Nova barely.

In a random encounter, it'd be a competitive match. Doom's tech and mysticism and the ease and skill in which he's able to meld them in the midst of battle effectively grants him a power set capable of fighting well outside his perceived weight class. Without BFR, it's even more so competitive, though, given Doom's time platform and teleportation and Nova's own abilities, even with it on, I doubt a BFR would last long enough to count as a win.

I'd give Nova the edge when it comes to sheer firepower, though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, he does.

God knows I phucking despise the Sentry with a passion to darken the very sun itself, but he's powerful as hell and you can't deny it. Shitty character, sure, but when he's operating on a good day, he's easily High Herald or Trans.Trans Why? Sphinx>>>>>>Sentry, clearly. You mean when Thanos greatly depwowerd himself(stated on panel) and was giving the heroes a chance by putting on a show for death., A pis feat from over 20 odd years ago, Like who?

Why when Doom isnt able to react to speed of that lvl on a regular.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Trans Why? Sphinx>>>>>>Sentry, clearly. You mean when Thanos greatly depwowerd himself(stated on panel) and was giving the heroes a chance by putting on a show for death., A pis feat from over 20 odd years ago, Like who?

Why when Doom isnt able to react to speed of that lvl on a regular.

Not sure what's funny about it. I may hate the guy, but I can be objective.

Using Sentry as a means to argue that Nova can do the same is faulty. It would be like me saying Doom's shield and armor have endured the Beyonder's power, so Nova stands no chance in hell at breaching his defenses. It's why immediately flocking to High End feats is stupid, especially when it doesn't consistently take Sphinx w/ Ka Stones level power to hurt Nova. The narration clearly stated that his armor and shields saved him from total annhilation. Even holding back or subsconciously wanting to fail or whatever, the blast would have killed Doom, had his armor/shields not been incredibly powerful. Not sure why you're counting the Beyonder feat as PIS but not Nova's, but ok. He's taken blows and attacks from Sentry, Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, Magneto, etc.

Because speed gets vastly overrated on the forums for one thing and given his capabilities, Doom could do everything from stop time completely, slow its effect, or reverse it.

Originally posted by Existere


Flip side, I don't think Nova's done enough with nodes (that I've seen anyways) to make me believe he could casually cancel out anything Doom tosses his way/throw up in defense.

The node thing is just something I was kicking around a little bit. I came across it while doing some research for my own writing project how Nodes cancel out wavelengths from the EM spectrum etc. Then I had a flashback to a couple of Nova feats that had always perplexed me. The one where he traps the being of psionic energy inside of a gravity node and the one where he cuts off the magical transmissions to the parasites that were coming from the cancerverse. They never made sense to me until I actually stumbled across what a Node in physics really is. Nova having a sort of hard sci-fi angle, now it all makes sense to me lol.

Having said all of that, I get it that peeps don't necessarily buy into it.

Doom

Nova takes this, but Doom makes him work for it.

Doom's magic and resourcefulness is going to be a bit of a wildcard, but between Nova's, sheer power, versitality, speed and the fact that Worldmind could potentially cause some havoc with Doom's armour gives Nova the win here...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure what's funny about it. I may hate the guy, but I can be objective.Because he has never done anything to make himself trans, youre only playing him up to aid Dooms cause.

No its not, Doom couldnt handle Sentry speed thats one of the reasons he got throught the shields. Use that if you want everybody knows it was a pis feat. To actually bust through his shields it does take a certain lvl of power, beyond what Doom has. It maybe did, as others did survive attack from a depowered Thanos that was taking it easy on the heroes. If Thanos wanted to kill him he would have been dead, Thanos even said he death could by arrange if he wanted(another shot at the gauntlet that is) Because Beyonder was pwning Celestial with ease yet Doom is a problem Lol And he hasnt reallly taken any wins from any of them without prep or some form of circumstance.

Nova uses his speed in battle on a regular, its one of his main weapons. Sphinx tried time manip and failed

Originally posted by dmills
The node thing is just something I was kicking around a little bit. I came across it while doing some research for my own writing project how Nodes cancel out wavelengths from the EM spectrum etc. Then I had a flashback to a couple of Nova feats that had always perplexed me. The one where he traps the being of psionic energy inside of a gravity node and the one where he cuts off the magical transmissions to the parasites that were coming from the cancerverse. They never made sense to me until I actually stumbled across what a Node in physics really is. Nova having a sort of hard sci-fi angle, now it all makes sense to me lol.

Having said all of that, I get it that peeps don't necessarily buy into it. Yeah, and a lot of that makes sense to me, but it's sort of hard to figure how a node would behave in relation to something like Magneto that doesn't really exist in the real world. Or magic, which is wildly unpredictable and pretty deus ex machina. The concept just hasn't been explored enough in the comic book world for me to be able to place faith in it as a strong counter to top tier energy manipulators.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Because he has never done anything to make himself trans, youre only playing him up to aid Dooms cause.
That's pretty blatantly false. Sentry fluctuates wildly, but some of his top feats were breaking the herald/trans barrier.

^Yeah, like stalemating genis.

Originally posted by Existere

That's pretty blatantly false. Sentry fluctuates wildly, but some of his top feats were breaking the herald/trans barrier. Like when?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure what's funny about it. I may hate the guy, but I can be objective.

Using Sentry as a means to argue that Nova can do the same is faulty. It would be like me saying Doom's shield and armor have endured the Beyonder's power, so Nova stands no chance in hell at breaching his defenses. It's why immediately flocking to High End feats is stupid, especially when it doesn't consistently take Sphinx w/ Ka Stones level power to hurt Nova. The narration clearly stated that his armor and shields saved him from total annhilation. Even holding back or subsconciously wanting to fail or whatever, the blast would have killed Doom, had his armor/shields not been incredibly powerful. Not sure why you're counting the Beyonder feat as PIS but not Nova's, but ok. He's taken blows and attacks from Sentry, Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk, Magneto, etc.

Because speed gets vastly overrated on the forums for one thing and given his capabilities, Doom could do everything from stop time completely, slow its effect, or reverse it. Agreed.

To think that Doom, a character that has no problem challenging, or accepting challenges from characters at ANY level of power, would not regularly be prepared for battling a being with super-speed, is a mistake.

The "speed" argument fails as a serious tool against Doom.

The whole "powerful-fast-strong-flying-space" guy argument falls short as well.

We are talking about Dr. Doom. Basically, a weaponized, armored, flying, super-strong, cruel Reed Richards, with a knack for the mystic arts on-top of it all.

Honestly? Dr. Doom isn't ALWAYS prepared for a fight with somebody like Nova?

Come on.

I mean, if it was somebody with powers that were outside the "norm", there would be possibilities. But, Nova has the standard top-level, hero skill-set.

Dr. Doom has been written to be prepared for anything, anyone, anywhere, any-when.

Nova is run-of-the-mill, square-jaw super hero material.

He goes down.

Nova has feats of taking magic blasts just fine, the crimson bands might be and option, but my money is on Rider placing him in a grav field before Doom does his thing. Not to mention that Rider has the Worldmind backing him and I sure as hell don't see Doom beating Rider in a blasting contest. That'd be like Thor out swimming Namor.

Originally posted by Horrificus


Nova is run-of-the-mill, square-jaw super hero material.

He goes down.

Clearly hasn't read much Nova.

And as for the super speed argument, the way this generally works is we post scans supporting our positions. So while what you said sounds great, I'd like to see some feats of him countering a speed blitz of sorts.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Like when? Originally posted by abhilegend
^Yeah, like stalemating genis.

Originally posted by Mindset
Genis was high herald, not trans, nice try though.

Kill molecular man ?

Nova beat the shit out of him

Originally posted by dmills
It doesn't...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/n_a-2-1.jpg




From what issue is this?

Seems pretty legit to me!

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
From what issue is this?

Seems pretty legit to me!



I honestly have no clue where that's from or if its legit (obviously the dialogue is phake). I've looked in my Nova stuff and I have no reference for it. The only time I know of where Nova has fought Doom ended up being a Doom bot.

Doom is a lazy ***** his Doomsbots do all the work while he sits on his throne masturbating

Originally posted by iceman24567
Doom is a lazy ***** his Doomsbots do all the work while he sits on his throne masturbating

Lmao... How've you been man? Better yet, where have you been lol?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Doom is a lazy ***** his Doomsbots do all the work while he sits on his throne masturbating
crylaugh

Originally posted by dmills
Lmao... How've you been man? Better yet, where have you been lol? Been good thanks for asking just working and getting older it seem

Originally posted by Nihilist
Genis was high herald, not trans, nice try though. How is Photon high herald?

You dont know what youre talking about....

Originally posted by iceman24567
Been good thanks for asking just working and getting older it seem

Older my ass. You're still in your 20s right lol? Then again, (not sure if this is your situation) working a job that you hate can make you feel a lot older then you actually are lol.

Originally posted by dmills
Older my ass. You're still in your 20s right lol? Then again, (not sure if this is your situation) working a job that you hate can make you feel a lot older then you actually are lol.
So how old you feel, old man?
huhu

Anyway, my two cents on the fight. It's semi long so I'm sure most will ignore it lol.

Even without going the high end route (Sphinx double ka stones, Ego etc), Rider has demonstrated the raw power to hurt people significantly more powerful then himself and the depth of his abilities and tactical mind shouldn't be underestimated either.

Up close and personal quick shield and blast

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322270612385.jpg

Quick shield vs Surfer

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322272655629.jpg

Shields as Quasar releases a massive blast

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322272179056.jpg

Or dodge and maneuver blasts at mid to long range with speed

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/nova%20energy%20absorption/NovaV21-Page4.jpg

Engages opponents in the air at high speed... Guys in cybernetic armor with sophisticated targeting systems (Cardinal)

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1322888717284.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1322888741713.jpg

If it gets up close and personal his got eye blasts...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/picsay-1325967468.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322166926792.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322166941206.jpg

Full body gravity pulses

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1323280416114.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/image0083-1.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322165845318.jpg

(disperses the Sphinx's magical sand storm and sand jinn's)
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322165896449.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322165911149.jpg

(hurts Super Nova)
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322167215188.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322167228364.jpg

(Actually destroys a Sire Technarch's hand with this one. Technarch look is priceless. Like wtf? That's not supposed to happen lol.)

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1322165729041.jpg

(breaks out of the sphinx's choke hold as he tries to absorb Nova's power)
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/2011-06-26123915-1.jpg

While weakened, dodges a blast of lightning up close, knocks away a brick with a wave of a hand. Gravity waves it looks like.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/picsay-1325962757.jpg


He's also got his energy absorption, general gravity manipulation abilities, nodes etc. And we haven't even gotten into the Worldmind aiding him as well.

Doom is the man. A villains villain. But I think a smart fighting Nova Prime has the tools to beat him more often then not in a random encounter. Especially given the fact that a random encounter for Nova is never as random as it would be for most given that he has extensive files on just about every hero, villain and alien race in the mu. And the Worldmind to really phuck with Doom's tech.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So how old you feel, old man?
huhu

Nowadays, pretty damn young lol. I've got a pretty good gig going here.

Originally posted by dmills
Nowadays, pretty damn young lol. I've got a pretty good gig going here.
Sit down, young man. Doom wins.
uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sit down, young man. Doom wins.
uhuh

You've changed your mind like three times in this thread alone so your opinion no longer counts. You're as indecisive as a chick sneer

Originally posted by dmills
You've changed your mind like three times in this thread alone so your opinion no longer counts. You're as indecisive as a chick sneer
Sexist pig.



I support nova on this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sexist pig.



I support nova on this.


Ok your opinion counts again

Originally posted by dmills

Ok your opinion counts again

Originally posted by dmills
Especially given the fact that a random encounter for Nova is never as random as it would be for most given that he has extensive files on just about every hero, villain and alien race in the mu. And the Worldmind to really phuck with Doom's tech. Doom knows Nova's powers, at least as much as Nova knows his.

Worldmind isn't doing anything to Doom's suit.

Originally posted by dmills
Older my ass. You're still in your 20s right lol? Then again, (not sure if this is your situation) working a job that you hate can make you feel a lot older then you actually are lol. I don't mind my job its like having a fashion model runway sometimes but my overall endurance has taken a dive

Originally posted by iceman24567
I don't mind my job its like having a fashion model runway sometimes but my overall endurance has taken a dive

I used to work at a job where I'd make deliveries to the Ed Hardy corporate office in Culver City. MAAAAAN the talent that I used to see in that place! I hated that job, but I loved that stop lol.

I have sex with supermodels.

Nova wins a random encounter but Doom wins with prep.

Originally posted by Mindset
I have sex with supermodels.

You watching them through their bedroom windows just before you break in...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/gifs/images-88-picsay.jpg

Originally posted by cpd12589
Nova wins a random encounter but Doom wins with prep.

The worldmind would expose all of Doom's prep.

WM: "Richard, he's trying to lure you into that spot in the room. There's a power siphoning device set to go off as soon as you touch it".

Nova: Seriously? Doom, you filthy little scheming sewer rat you.

And then the Worldmind belongs to Doom.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And then the Worldmind belongs to Doom.

Not a good idea. Besides, he'd most likely have to bfr himself to go and attempt to get it.

Why not?

It's not like he'd be overloaded.

Doom's mind/body could handle Worldmind.

Also, lol and WM seeing through Doom's prep.

Come on, dmills.

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom's mind/body could handle Worldmind.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why not?

It's not like he'd be overloaded.

Whether he could handle it or not isn't even the issue. A mouse could handle it. It goes where it chooses to go. Getting it by force would be his issue and that's not happening.

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom's mind/body could handle Worldmind.

Also, lol and WM seeing through Doom's prep.

Come on, dmills.

Dawg, the WN could converse with you about the history of classical music, search every computer database on Earth and calculate a course around a super massive black hole 1000 parsecs away all at the same time while seeing through Doom's bullshyte lol.

Originally posted by dmills
Dawg, the WN could converse with you about the history of classical music, search every computer database on Earth and calculate a course around a super massive black hole 1000 parsecs away all at the same time Even if Doom had 4 of the 5 types of retardation, this type of BS would be mere child's play to him.

Srsly.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even if Doom had 4 of the 5 types of retardation, this type of BS would be mere child's play to him.

Srsly.

Funny how the omission of a few key words can change the entire context of a sentence. I've just been kmc'd lulz.

Yeah, the problem is that in order for Doom to lose, you would have to basically ignore the attributes that make Doom the character that he is.

It is kind of like saying that Nova cannot use World Mind, or Flight.

The character, Doctor Doom, has enough experience and intelligence and existing prep to be ready for everything on Nova's list.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Yeah, the problem is that in order for Doom to lose, you would have to basically ignore the attributes that make Doom the character that he is.

It is kind of like saying that Nova cannot use World Mind, or Flight.

The character, Doctor Doom, has enough experience and intelligence and existing prep to be ready for everything on Nova's list.

I'm not sure that I'm getting at what you mean. It seems to me that you're essentially saying that "Doom wins because he's Doom". And while I wholeheartedly agree that he's a badass, ultimately that's not how we debate here.

To your second point, Flight etc are attributes of Nova's power-set, but they aren't what makes Nova Nova. Hell even the WM doesn't make make or break Nova, as Rider has proven even it wrong on a few occasions. What makes Rich tick is his tactical mind, his never say die attitude and his propensity to command respect. Even from his enemies.

I think this sequence says it all for me

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1333144866.jpg
http://db.tt/kUdNQAiF
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1333144937649.jpg

Now that's respect.

All that said, my position is simply that the match (random encounter, .5 km apart, genera knowledge etc) favors Nova imo. I just don't think he'd beat Rider at his own game, namely, a blasting contest, quick cqb etc.

Originally posted by dmills
I'm not sure that I'm getting at what you mean. It seems to me that you're essentially saying that "Doom wins because he's Doom". And while I wholeheartedly agree that he's a badass, ultimately that's not how we debate here.

To your second point, Flight etc are attributes of Nova's power-set, but they aren't what makes Nova Nova. Hell even the WM doesn't make make or break Nova, as Rider has proven even it wrong on a few occasions. What makes Rich tick is his tactical mind, his never say die attitude and his propensity to command respect. Even from his enemies.

I think this sequence says it all for me

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1333144866.jpg
http://db.tt/kUdNQAiF
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1333144937649.jpg

Now that's respect.

All that said, my position is simply that the match (random encounter, .5 km apart, genera knowledge etc) favors Nova imo. I just don't think he'd beat Rider at his own game, namely, a blasting contest, quick cqb etc.
That's essentialy what all doom fanboys think. I mean c'mon, its funny for awhile but gets really old, really fast.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's essentialy what all doom fanboys think.

Like who?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Like who?
http://gettwicetheresults.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/are-you-serious.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's essentialy what all doom fanboys think. I mean c'mon, its funny for awhile but gets really old, really fast.

And to some degree, they're not without merit, but sheesh.

There are very good reasons to think Doom would win here and Rider certainly isn't the biggest gun that he's come across. Far from it in fact. But styles make fights, as is the case here imo.

I remember an old CBR thread where the OP stipulated no magic, someone came in and said Doom uses magic to win, and after being reminded of the OP, he said something like:

"Fool! Doom pays no heed to petty OP restrictions!"

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I remember an old CBR thread where the OP stipulated no magic, someone came in and said Doom uses magic to win, and after being reminded of the OP, he said something like:

"Fool! Doom pays no heed to petty OP restrictions!"

Lmao! That's in all likelihood what Doom himself would say lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://gettwicetheresults.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/are-you-serious.jpg

Yep.

What are some examples you're thinking of?

Originally posted by dmills
And to some degree, they're not without merit, but sheesh.

There are very good reasons to think Doom would win here and Rider certainly isn't the biggest gun that he's come across. Far from it in fact. But styles make fights, as is the case here imo.
You're a shame to "fanboys R us" community.
sneer

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yep.

What are some examples you're thinking of?
You are serious? Liek srsly?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are serious? Liek srsly?

It's why I keep asking.

"Doom wins because he's Doom" isn't some character exclusive remark. Not when you have Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, and Batman floating around there.

As far as this thread goes, explanation for why Doom would win and put up a very tough fight for Nova at the very least have already been explained upon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're a shame to "fanboys R us" community.
sneer

I get very little leeway on this forum with my Nova fanboyery (new word). I have to pick my battles lol. Really only Jake, yourself, CC and a few others tolerate it lol.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's why I keep asking.

"Doom wins because he's Doom" isn't some character exclusive remark. Not when you have Hulk, Superman, Wolverine, and Batman floating around there.

As far as this thread goes, explanation for why Doom would win and put up a very tough fight for Nova at the very least have already been explained upon.
O rly? I don't have a problem with doom putting a fight or even winning a majority. Well for starters, I've read enough "Doomy Dooms Of Doom" from you to last several lifetimes.

Originally posted by dmills
I get very little leeway on this forum with my Nova fanboyery (new word). I have to pick my battles lol. Really only Jake, yourself and a few others tolerate it lol. Keep it up boy. There is nothing wrong for a "Dick rider" to support "his man".
007-homo

Originally posted by abhilegend
Keep it up boy. There is nothing wrong for a "Dick rider" to support "his man".
007-homo

















Touche.

Originally posted by dmills
Touche.
Nah, I genuinely think that you do a lot of good to nova on this forum. You are among very few people who I think are fair to almost every character. It doesn't hurt that you're a lot funnier than these other douches on KMC. Keep it up buddy. Oh and if you want, I can send you link of my mediafire comics folder. You would enjoy it.

I haven't seen you troll like guys like carver and quanchi do. I think you're doing just fine so far.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I haven't seen you troll like guys like carver and quanchi do. I think you're doing just fine so far.
Who, me?lookaround

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, I genuinely think that you do a lot of good to nova on this forum. You are among very few people who I think are fair to almost every character. It doesn't hurt that you're a lot funnier than these other douches on KMC. Keep it up buddy. Oh and if you want, I can send you link of my mediafire comics folder. You would enjoy it. Originally posted by Endless Mike
I haven't seen you troll like guys like carver and quanchi do. I think you're doing just fine so far.

Man, I just try to respect the characters and their respective histories. Be respectful of the other posters, try to inject a bit of levity every now and then lol. Most importantly, stay out of it if I don't really know a character.

I think back to when I first got here I used to be the only idiot arguing for Nova in a thread lol. I nearly got ran out of here until Ninjak spoke up for me lol!

Originally posted by dmills
And to some degree, they're not without merit, but sheesh.

There are very good reasons to think Doom would win here and Rider certainly isn't the biggest gun that he's come across. Far from it in fact. But styles make fights, as is the case here imo.
I'm not a fanboy, and I'm not using the "because he is Doom" argument.

I'm saying that Doom is a villain (in the eyes of most characters), and is in constant conflict with top-tiers.
Constant conflict with top-tiers.
And, this is by choice, due to his goals.
He is paranoid, brilliant, obsessive.

So, he has proven that he can deal with enemies with Nova's skill-set.

And, because he is insane, combative and incredibly paranoid, it would be wrong to consider that he is unequipped, or unprepared for conflict with somebody with Nova's skill-set at any moment.

Remember, he doesn't even have "powers", the way others do.

Being crazy and always being prepared is his only power. If he doesn't have THAT at all times, he would never survive.

Because he is: (See top of post)- In Constant Conflict with Top-Tiers.

But, I want to be fair.

-Can you tell me the ways that you believe Nova can harm Doom?
-What assets Nova has over Doom?
-How Nova can survive some of Doom's most powerful attacks?
-Any examples of attacks or strategies that Doom would not be prepared for?
-Examples of Nova's most devastating attacks?

I will be completely honest. If the evidence is there, I will have no problem saying Nova wins this.

I think being one of the greatest sorcerers on Earth counts as a power

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm not a fanboy, and I'm not using the "because he is Doom" argument.

I'm saying that Doom is a villain (in the eyes of most characters), and is in constant conflict with top-tiers.
Constant conflict with top-tiers.
And, this is by choice, due to his goals.
He is paranoid, brilliant, obsessive.

So, he has proven that he can deal with enemies with Nova's skill-set.

And, because he is insane, combative and incredibly paranoid, it would be wrong to consider that he is unequipped, or unprepared for conflict with somebody with Nova's skill-set at any moment.

Remember, he doesn't even have "powers", the way others do.

Being crazy and always being prepared is his only power. If he doesn't have THAT at all times, he would never survive.

Because he is: (See top of post)- In Constant Conflict with Top-Tiers.

But, I want to be fair.

-Can you tell me the ways that you believe Nova can harm Doom?
-What assets Nova has over Doom?
-How Nova can survive some of Doom's most powerful attacks?
-Any examples of attacks or strategies that Doom would not be prepared for?
-Examples of Nova's most devastating attacks?

I will be completely honest. If the evidence is there, I will have no problem saying Nova wins this.

I touched upon a bit of it on the last page with scans of a few things. But I'll bookmark this page and give you a thorough response tomorrow. Gotta get some shut eye now. Have a good night all. Or good day for some of you.

Originally posted by jalek moye
I think being one of the greatest sorcerers on Earth counts as a power Correct.

But, the point I was trying to make is that his mind and motivations r the reasons he is always ready for the skill-set that Nova has.

This has a lot to do with the meaning behind Doom fans using explanations such as, "because, he is Doom".

It is the same thing as saying, "because he is a cruel, crazy, paranoid, angry, brooding, honorable, intelligent, indomitable guy".

... with one of the biggest, juiciest brains in the MU. And, of course, incredible, magic-infused technology.

A "titan" with small-man's complex.

^^^ See, now I was all prepared to make a long response with scans etc but then I read your comments above and it looks like you're doing it again. If the gist of the discussion is going to be me posting scans up against a lot of highfalutin statements about Doom than we're done here as far as I'm concerned.

If you care to continue the discussion then I ask that you start with the scans that I posted on page 4 of this thread. What I posted was pretty much standard Nova tactics in battle. Shields, blasting, high speed maneuvers etc. When pinned down he tends to go eye blast or full body grav pulse. That's how he'd likely approach Doom at the outset.

On second thought. Lord knows that I don't generally like to run right to the speed card. However due to the way that this debate is being framed, ie people saying things like Doom would just simply take the worldmind, I feel obliged to use that card. Fight starts at .5 km. Rider could close that distance in an eye blink...

The speed of a standard Nova centurion.

http://db.tt/WNkLLL6g
http://db.tt/0hmUe7D7
http://db.tt/0HhjNEKm

Moving faster then another super speedster could register...

http://db.tt/5HQAEvCp
http://db.tt/tPWBq3g0

Random speed feats


http://db.tt/jBfXYBdF
http://db.tt/F4WzoVg6
http://db.tt/qAixjLZC

http://db.tt/6SssOwx1

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1323376196117-picsay.jpg

To drive the point home even further. An extreme example but phuck it, I'm annoyed now. Here he snatches the Ka stone and flies to within proximity of the sun and back in the time it takes the Sphinx to utter No. Noooo!

http://db.tt/iUCHSUO7
http://db.tt/8gTSrWpp

So those are a few examples of the speed he brings to the table. In turn I ask to see ON PANEL evidence that Doom would be able to react or counter it. Then we can proceed.

Nova, speed kills.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ See, now I was all prepared to make a long response with scans etc but then I read your comments above and it looks like you're doing it again. If the gist of the discussion is going to be me posting scans up against a lot of highfalutin statements about Doom than we're done here as far as I'm concerned.

If you care to continue the discussion then I ask that you start with the scans that I posted on page 4 of this thread. What I posted was pretty much standard Nova tactics in battle. Shields, blasting, high speed maneuvers etc. When pinned down he tends to go eye blast or full body grav pulse. That's how he'd likely approach Doom at the outset.

On second thought. Lord knows that I don't generally like to run right to the speed card. However due to the way that this debate is being framed, ie people saying things like Doom would just simply take the worldmind, I feel obliged to use that card. Fight starts at .5 km. Rider could close that distance in an eye blink...

The speed of a standard Nova centurion.

http://db.tt/WNkLLL6g
http://db.tt/0hmUe7D7
http://db.tt/0HhjNEKm

Moving faster then another super speedster could register...

http://db.tt/5HQAEvCp
http://db.tt/tPWBq3g0

Random speed feats


http://db.tt/jBfXYBdF
http://db.tt/F4WzoVg6
http://db.tt/qAixjLZC

http://db.tt/6SssOwx1

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1323376196117-picsay.jpg

To drive the point home even further. An extreme example but phuck it, I'm annoyed now. Here he snatches the Ka stone and flies to within proximity of the sun and back in the time it takes the Sphinx to utter No. Noooo!

http://db.tt/iUCHSUO7
http://db.tt/8gTSrWpp

So those are a few examples of the speed he brings to the table. In turn I ask to see ON PANEL evidence that Doom would be able to react or counter it. Then we can proceed.
Good post, but that sphinx scene is a little hard to place as how fast nova was going. We see sphinx shouting no two times, first when nova snatches the stones and the second where he see them being tossed in the sun.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ See, now I was all prepared to make a long response with scans etc but then I read your comments above and it looks like you're doing it again. If the gist of the discussion is going to be me posting scans up against a lot of highfalutin statements about Doom than we're done here as far as I'm concerned.

If you care to continue the discussion then I ask that you start with the scans that I posted on page 4 of this thread. What I posted was pretty much standard Nova tactics in battle. Shields, blasting, high speed maneuvers etc. When pinned down he tends to go eye blast or full body grav pulse. That's how he'd likely approach Doom at the outset.

On second thought. Lord knows that I don't generally like to run right to the speed card. However due to the way that this debate is being framed, ie people saying things like Doom would just simply take the worldmind, I feel obliged to use that card. Fight starts at .5 km. Rider could close that distance in an eye blink...

The speed of a standard Nova centurion.

http://db.tt/WNkLLL6g
http://db.tt/0hmUe7D7
http://db.tt/0HhjNEKm

Moving faster then another super speedster could register...

http://db.tt/5HQAEvCp
http://db.tt/tPWBq3g0

Random speed feats


http://db.tt/jBfXYBdF
http://db.tt/F4WzoVg6
http://db.tt/qAixjLZC

http://db.tt/6SssOwx1

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1323376196117-picsay.jpg

To drive the point home even further. An extreme example but phuck it, I'm annoyed now. Here he snatches the Ka stone and flies to within proximity of the sun and back in the time it takes the Sphinx to utter No. Noooo!

http://db.tt/iUCHSUO7
http://db.tt/8gTSrWpp

So those are a few examples of the speed he brings to the table. In turn I ask to see ON PANEL evidence that Doom would be able to react or counter it. Then we can proceed. Thanks for the scans. Don't be annoyed. I am not the type to just take for granted that "Doom takes the Worldmind", etc. I am very "scan-oriented". If I wanted to prove that Doom could take the Worldmind, I would come up with some on-panel feats to back it up.

The personality-based statements I made are just the foundation for why I think Doom would win. The reason behind the feats he has. Not the feats themselves.

Thanks again for posting the scans and your statements. I'm going to check them out now.

Get back to you.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thanks for the scans. Don't be annoyed. I am not the type to just take for granted that "Doom takes the Worldmind", etc. I am very "scan-oriented". If I wanted to prove that Doom could take the Worldmind, I would come up with some on-panel feats to back it up.

The personality-based statements I made are just the foundation for why I think Doom would win. The reason behind the feats he has. Not the feats themselves.

Thanks again for posting the scans and your statements. I'm going to check them out now.

Get back to you.
Cool beans

Apologies for my chippyness. It was 3am my my time when I posted lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good post, but that sphinx scene is a little hard to place as how fast nova was going. We see sphinx shouting no two times, first when nova snatches the stones and the second where he see them being tossed in the sun.

The Sphinx's mouth, hand gestures, Nova coming back saying yes as he smashes him to pieces etc all show one fluid sequence. It was clearly meant as a speed depiction imo.

Originally posted by dmills
The Sphinx's mouth, hand gestures, Nova coming back saying yes as he smashes him to pieces etc all show one fluid sequence. It was clearly meant as a speed depiction imo.
Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't using speed but how much speed?

dontknow

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't using speed but how much speed?

dontknow

Brother I'm a lot of things, but a mathematician ain't one of em

I think Cosmic Comet (he's pretty good at that stuff) had it at a few times faster then light or some such.

Originally posted by dmills
Brother I'm a lot of things, but a mathematician ain't one of em

I think Cosmic Comet (he's pretty good at that stuff) had it at a few times faster then light or some such.
I think a couple of lightspeed is fine. Not bad for someone like nova.uhuh

Rest assured in the next superman vs nova thread, carver is going to argue that nova would blitz superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I think a couple of lightspeed is fine. Not bad for someone like nova.uhuh

Rest assured in the next superman vs nova thread, carver is going to argue that nova would blitz superman.

Carver and I have an understanding. He is not allowed under any circumstances to rep Nova. Ever.

What's funny though is that Carver actually votes against Nova in a lot of threads. Unless of course, its against a DC character. Who'da thunk it

Originally posted by dmills
Carver and I have an understanding. He is not allowed under any circumstances to rep Nova. Ever.

Just watch it, carver starts repping nova and the whole forum would know what kind of beast "Dick ryder" truly is.nahuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just watch it, carver starts repping nova and the whole forum would know what kind of beast "Dick ryder" truly is.nahuh




Heaven help us all if that happens.

Originally posted by dmills
Heaven help us all if that happens.
You mean heaven helps opponents of nova, right? RIGHT?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean heaven helps opponents of nova, right? RIGHT?

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2673051_o.gif

I can see it know. Even Nova's random fodder opponents would be translevel.

Originally posted by Mindset
How is Photon high herald?

You dont know what youre talking about.... His feats are equal to Thor, Surfers at best.

And you do stick to saying Doom wins in every thread.

Originally posted by dmills
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/2673051_o.gif

I can see it know. Even Nova's random fodder opponents would be translevel.
Watch it buddy. You are insulting nova's enemies. They are skyfther level at least and sphinx is an abstract without ka stones.durfist

Originally posted by dmills
Brother I'm a lot of things, but a mathematician ain't one of em

I think Cosmic Comet (he's pretty good at that stuff) had it at a few times faster then light or some such.

I felt compelled to look up the exact PM response, and I had a lot to sort through.

dur

I said:

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I felt compelled to look up the exact PM response, and I had a lot to sort through.

dur

I said:
What does all this gibberish means?
blabla

http://i.imgur.com/TGSKI.gif

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I felt compelled to look up the exact PM response, and I had a lot to sort through.

dur

I said:

But I think we settled on halfway to the sun. I also think that we shouldn't incorporate the speedster's dialouge because his mental processes are vastly accelerated. The sphinx's perspective would be the key focal point imo. Also just from a logical stand point it wouldn't make sense for the sphinx to literally stand there for 9 seconds shouting no in the same pose.

Originally posted by dmills
But I think we settled on halfway to the sun. I also think that we shouldn't incorporate the speedster's dialouge because his mental processes are vastly accelerated. The sphinx's perspective would be the key focal point imo. Also just from a logical stand point it wouldn't make sense for the sphinx to literally stand there for 9 seconds shouting no in the same pose.

We are forced to incorporate that, in order to get a quantifiable minimum.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
We are forced to incorporate that, in order to get a quantifiable minimum.

Agree to disagree on that one.

You can't disagree.

If we can't find a minimum for something, then its becomes unquantifiable.

We don't know how fast that words would be going, so we have to go by our timeframe as the minimum.

You know there are some drawings online that show artist's conceptions of what the sun would look like from the various planets, i.e Mercury, Venus, based on scientific measurements. So you could look at those and get an idea of how close he was, if the sun appeared bigger than it did in the view from Mercury than he was closer than Mercury.

Too much nerd talk. This thread needs some babes.

^^is there a particular artist/website you had in mind?

http://www.messenger-education.org/Interactives/ANIMATIONS/Places_In_Sun/places_in_sun_full.htm

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tlXkPX0vMqk/SaTWYkrU6pI/AAAAAAAAAM0/Za2Ngvg5q_s/s400/sun_size_diagram.png

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You can't disagree.

If we can't find a minimum for something, then its becomes unquantifiable.

We don't know how fast that words would be going, so we have to go by our timeframe as the minimum.

I agree with that in principle, but not at the expense of logic. For the scene to make a lick of sense we have to take it from the sphinx's perspective. If not, soooo many things fall apart. He's still shouting no as the transformation takes place the moment the gem hits the sun. That would significant that the two things are happening concurrently. Nova arrives back from space and says "yes". Which means that he heard him. In my eyes it only makes sense if Nova returned in time to hear the nooo as it was fading out as the transformation was completed.

The 9 seconds is on the way there. Not on the way back.

The way back would have been faster, as I said. I believe I said 1 or 2 seconds.

Here's the scene

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/gifs/2011-04-07143719-smaller.jpg

In the third panel Rider is flying off with the stone and we see the Sphinx; Mouth agape, arm streched out to grab at Nova while yelling no! Note that you also see the power surge in his eyes. In the 5th panel he's mouth is still agape yelling noooo! even as the stone is hurled into the sun and the transformations clearly begins.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/gifs/2011-04-07144008-smaller.jpg

Now continued in the second page Nova is back and says "yes". Notice that the sphinx is still in the exact same position, mouth still agape in horror? The power surge in his eyes is even still present which indicates to me that the transformation was relatively fast. Perhaps nigh instantaneous as if being frozen in place.

Looking at that sequence there's no way that it was meant to depict any significant passage of time. Not even 11 seconds. It's a scene meant to be depicted concurrently imo.

Nova

Freakin Nova.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/i4H0vraAMaVlK.gif

Originally posted by dmills
Here's the scene

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/gifs/2011-04-07143719-smaller.jpg

In the third panel Rider is flying off with the stone and we see the Sphinx; Mouth agape, arm streched out to grab at Nova while yelling no! Note that you also see the power surge in his eyes. In the 5th panel he's mouth is still agape yelling noooo! even as the stone is hurled into the sun and the transformations clearly begins.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/gifs/2011-04-07144008-smaller.jpg

Now continued in the second page Nova is back and says "yes". Notice that the sphinx is still in the exact same position, mouth still agape in horror? The power surge in his eyes is even still present which indicates to me that the transformation was relatively fast. Perhaps nigh instantaneous as if being frozen in place.

Looking at that sequence there's no way that it was meant to depict any significant passage of time. Not even 11 seconds. It's a scene meant to be depicted concurrently imo. I'm sorry, but that is taking a pretty big leap of faith.

First of all, As fast as Nova is, he is barely out of arm's reach of the Sphinx, when he grabs the stone.

Then, Nova is speaking throughout the panels and Sphinx did have time to drop his arm and change his body posture.

And, it seems like Sphinx petrified as soon as the stone hit the sun. That is why he is still in that pose. Not because of Nova's speed. There is no telling how long he was frozen there.

There is just no way to put an actual speed value on the feat. For all we know, Spinx could have gone and gotten a couple hamburgers and was eating by the time Nova returned.

It's a tough call.

Cool scans.

Doom wins.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm sorry, but that is taking a pretty big leap of faith.

First of all, As fast as Nova is, he is barely out of arm's reach of the Sphinx, when he grabs the stone.

Then, Nova is speaking throughout the panels and Sphinx did have time to drop his arm and change his body posture.

And, it seems like Sphinx petrified as soon as the stone hit the sun. That is why he is still in that pose. Not because of Nova's speed. There is no telling how long he was frozen there.

There is just no way to put an actual speed value on the feat. For all we know, Spinx could have gone and gotten a couple hamburgers and was eating by the time Nova returned.

It's a tough call.


http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/tumblr_lurveuGEoC1qlen6y.gif

There's no leap at all and honestly I'm surprised that this is even debatable. It literally is the only way to have a logically consistent grasp of the scene. Your only other options are

A) The sphinx stood there staring at the sky in the same position yelling or whatever until Nova reached the sun.

B) He left, Got a hamburger, and then returned to the same spot a few hours later and resumed yelling once Nova got to the sun.

C) I can't even think of another tbh lol. Maybe it was not nigh instantaneous. A few moments went by etc.

Sorry man but It's not really a tough call at all imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cool scans.

Doom wins.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/fedroghead.gif

http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/199704-/doom-noscale.jpg

...





















http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3321/3278407593_771dde8f5d.jpg

Come at me.

Originally posted by dmills

There's no leap at all and honestly I'm surprised that this is even debatable. It literally is the only way to have a logically consistent grasp of the scene. Your only other options are

A) The sphinx stood there staring at the sky in the same position yelling or whatever until Nova reached the sun.

B) He left, Got a hamburger, and then returned to the same spot a few hours later and resumed yelling once Nova got to the sun.

C) I can't even think of another tbh lol. Maybe it was not nigh instantaneous. A few moments went by etc.

Sorry man but It's not really a tough call at all imo.
http://www.soiwaslike.com/i/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly.gif

Originally posted by Mindset




Come at me.


Ok...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/90xgqo-1.gif

doom has the life force

how can nova win

i agree doom always loses in the end, just don't see nova as being capable of doin that

Originally posted by guy222
doom has the life force

how can nova win

i agree doom always loses in the end, just don't see nova as being capable of doin that

He doesn't have the life force. And even if he did, Feat wise doom didn't really do anything with it of note that I can recall. So I'm not sure how it would play here.

Originally posted by guy222


i agree doom always loses in the end

But isn't this the very meaning of PIS? Seeing as how the plot will always end without the villain ruling the world?

Yes.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
But isn't this the very meaning of PIS? Seeing as how the plot will always end without the villain ruling the world?

Pretty much.

Originally posted by dmills
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/fedroghead.gif THAT is awesome.

Not as awesome as this.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g22/ogclip/Van_Damme_gay_wink.gif

Originally posted by dmills
Ok...

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/90xgqo-1.gif

Nothing in my world will ever be the same.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not as awesome as this.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g22/ogclip/Van_Damme_gay_wink.gif THAT made me want to encase my pelvis with protective Uru metal.

Well, he IS French, after all.

Nah, he's belgian.

Originally posted by Horrificus
THAT made me want to encase my pelvis with protective Uru metal.

Well, he IS French, after all. Fedor reacts like god just hugged him