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Two of the most famous loves stories in comics Clark loves Lois and Bruce loves Betty, two of the most famous love stories in all of comics. But who would come out in an all out fight to the death defending the life of their true love?

Earth-1 Superman

VS

World Breaker Hulk

The wife of the loser will also die slowly and painfullyand both sides know it.

Superman dies...badly at that. In a situation like this, Hulk amping abilities would be off the charts.

What if they fall in love with each other during the matchup?

PC Superman?Originally posted by carver9
Superman dies...badly at that. In a situation like this, Hulk amping abilities would be off the charts.
Superman has punched through death to meet lois.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What if they fall in love with each other during the matchup?

Betty and Lois both die while the two lovebirds live happily ever after. They then decide to destroy DC and Marvel leaving themselves as the only 2 supreme beings left. Just the way it should be.

Originally posted by abhilegend
PC Superman?
Superman has punched through death to meet lois.

Hulk has shredded a planet, moons, and killed Heralds and unstoppable beings just because he seen Betty kiss another man. Him knowing she would die, his power would be too much for Superman to even think about handling.

Pfft Hulk gets waxed

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has shredded a planet, moons, and killed Heralds and unstoppable beings just because he seen Betty kiss another man. Him knowing she would die, his power would be too much for Superman to even think about handling.
Superman punched through DEATH.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman punched through DEATH.

Wonder Woman tanked those same punches.

Out of these two, who here was the one who let their wife die? :-/




Just kidding But yeah, supes tames that ass.

Bruce/Betty are hardly all that famous.

Lois is iconic in her own right. Everyone knows her story. Betty Ross though? Hardly.

Are we ignoring the speed edge? Superman throws him into space before Hulk blinks, then cuts his head off with heat vision from 10 miles away and punches him to the sun.

It's not an 'edge' so much as its the width of the entire sea floor difference.

Shaking my head really hard. Just hilarious.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman tanked those same punches.
Not the same.

Originally posted by carver9
Shaking my head really hard. Can't you do it to porn, like normal people?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not the same.

Much worse since he thought Wonder Woman was the one that killed Lois.

Originally posted by carver9
Shaking my head really hard. Just hilarious.
We know you want to be there instead of betty but come on!

Lol...omg.

Originally posted by carver9
Much worse since he thought Wonder Woman was the one that killed Lois.
Delusion. Also not from the same comic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Delusion. Also not from the same comic.

Sigh...let's use non combat fts. Hulk hits him with 2 Times Earth punching power, ripping through time punching power, Dimensional shaking punches, dimensional destroying punches...earth moving punches, Herald melting punches. Hate debating like this...space cheese. This is retarded.

Punching power, the real way to go...Hulk hits him with Onslaught ripping punches. Herald melting, Mindless Ones destroying punches.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...let's use non combat fts. Hulk hits him with 2 Times Earth punching power, ripping through time punching power, Dimensional shaking punches, dimensional destroying punches...earth moving punches, Herald melting punches. Hate debating like this...space cheese. This is retarded.

Punching power, the real way to go...Hulk hits him with Onslaught ripping punches. Herald melting, Mindless Ones destroying punches.
Superman uses an IMP.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman uses an IMP.

No matter how you put it or what you bring up, none of those fts are greater than Hulk shaking multiples of dimensions during a fist fight.

Originally posted by carver9
No matter how you put it or what you bring up, none of those fts are greater than Hulk shaking multiples of dimensions during a fist fight.

In the end, collateral damage of an attack means less than how concentrated an attack is, and how durable the object is that it damages.

Gugnir. Would barely blow up a convenient store. Yet it had enough power to SOMEWHAT damage Thanos.

That says enough.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
In the end, collateral damage of an attack means less than how concentrated an attack is, and how durable the object is that it damages.

Gugnir. Would barely blow up a convenient store. Yet it had enough power to SOMEWHAT damage Thanos.

That says enough. This Hulk had the strength to kill three Savage Hulk level beings and hundreds of Mindless Ones with the shockwave of a punch...

Originally posted by carver9
No matter how you put it or what you bring up, none of those fts are greater than Hulk shaking multiples of dimensions during a fist fight.
Superman broke time and space with punches.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
This Hulk had the strength to kill three Savage Hulk level beings and hundreds of Mindless Ones with the shockwave of a punch...

IMP >

Being able to get out of Cythonna's grasp >

lol at superman killing wbh with heat vision, his healing factor was insane, it would heal him so fast it would look like the heat vision isnt doing any damage.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
In the end, collateral damage of an attack means less than how concentrated an attack is, and how durable the object is that it damages.

Gugnir. Would barely blow up a convenient store. Yet it had enough power to SOMEWHAT damage Thanos.

That says enough.

Exactly, this has been my point the entire time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman broke time and space with punches.

Lol...Hulk punched a hole through time...literally.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
IMP >

Being able to get out of Cythonna's grasp >

Superman's IMP got him KO'ed destroying a moon. Hulk destroyed a planet with the shockwaves of his punches.

Superman is not anywhere close to as strong as this Hulk, because Pak is a retard.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
IMP >

Being able to get out of Cythonna's grasp >

Hulk being able to accomplish something Umar couldn't do in a fight>>everything you said.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb


Superman's IMP got him KO'ed destroying a moon. Hulk destroyed a planet with the shockwaves of his punches.

Superman is not anywhere close to as strong as this Hulk, because Pak is a retard.

Low feat.

He's also broken moons in half at lightspeed without a scratch on him.

Nothing is more ridiculous than containing a blackhole in your hand.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk being able to accomplish something Umar couldn't do in a fight>>everything you said.

Cythonna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Umar

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Low feat.

He's also broken moons in half at lightspeed without a scratch on him. Low feat... how many IMP's has Superman used?

I realize. It still doesn't match up to Hulk's.

Killing 3 Savage Hulk level beings and hundreds of class 100's is a hell of a punch. Superman might, and could win here, but there's no way he's comparable in a strength fest after Pak ran a rape train through Hulk's character.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk being able to accomplish something Umar couldn't do in a fight>>everything you said. Serious bro?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Low feat.

He's also broken moons in half at lightspeed without a scratch on him.

Lol...so you are blowing the ft off. Anyone thinking Superman is anywhere close to being as strong as WBH is delusional. Savage Hulk=Superman<WWH<<<WBH.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so you are blowing the ft off. Anyone thinking Superman is anywhere close to being as strong as WBH is delusional. Savage Hulk=Superman<WWH<<<WBH. Strength is only part of the battle Superman starts off more durable and he's way faster

I'm going with Hulk on this one. Superman would hold back Hulk wouldn't. It doesn't matter how much Superman loves Lois, it simply isn't in his character to allow 2 people to die, let alone kill one with his bare hands, just to save one person, even if it's Lois. If Hulk were on a planet threatening rampage it would be different. In this scenario Hulk is just a man fighting for his wife. Superman wouldn't trade one life for another.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Low feat... how many IMP's has Superman used?

I realize. It still doesn't match up to Hulk's.

Killing 3 Savage Hulk level beings and hundreds of class 100's is a hell of a punch. Superman might, and could win here, but there's no way he's comparable in a strength fest after Pak ran a rape train through Hulk's character.

Throw a punch at lightspeed? Quite a lot, actually. This is what happens when you think and move in nanoseconds.

In the end of it all, all he did was destroy a planet, as a shared feat with an equalized Betty.

Bi-Beast and Wendigo even though they were amped, at least while giant, still never gave the impression of being planet busting survivors.

Superman hurting people more durable than planets, is nothing new on the other hand.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
In the end of it all, all he did was destroy a planet, as a shared feat with an equalized Betty.

Bi-Beast and Wendigo even though they were amped, at least while giant, still never gave the impression of being planet busting survivors.

Superman hurting people more durable than planets, is nothing new on the other hand.

Come on Cosmic, I know you don't like the Hulk but you can't really believe the stuff you are saying. Superman IS strong but there are people that are as strong or stronger than him and Hulk is one of those people that are stronger than him.

I'm pretty sure this is just another way to say bloodlusted Hulk vs. Superman, which has been done 10000000000 times already

Originally posted by CosmicComet
In the end of it all, all he did was destroy a planet, as a shared feat with an equalized Betty.

Bi-Beast and Wendigo even though they were amped, at least while giant, still never gave the impression of being planet busting survivors.

Superman hurting people more durable than planets, is nothing new on the other hand. I don't care about the planet (unless you're bringing up the IMP), I'm going off of something I can measure.
Also, the only time off the top of my head that the IMP has been attributed to Superman was against the Shadow Moon. Science be damned.

They were Savage Hulk level, and Arm'Cheddon was even higher, even durable enough to survive multiple "weaker" Worldbreaker assaults. Plus the hundreds of class 100 Mindless Ones.

You think Superman could kill 3 Savage Hulk level beings and hundreds of class 100's if he clashed with Zod... with one punch?

I know that most of this Hulk hate Carver's fault and the shit that comes out of his mouth but sometimes the lengths you guys go to low ball Hulks feats is pretty ridiculous.

na

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I know that most of this Hulk hate Carver's fault and the shit that comes out of his mouth but sometimes the lengths you guys go to low ball Hulks feats is pretty ridiculous.

It's not my fault...the Hulk always been a hated character.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I know that most of this Hulk hate Carver's fault and the shit that comes out of his mouth but sometimes the lengths you guys go to low ball Hulks feats is pretty ridiculous. No shit.

I'm a pretty well documented Hulk "hater", but I'm also a realist. What Hulk did in that arc was awful, but it was also pretty high end.

Originally posted by carver9
Come on Cosmic, I know you don't like the Hulk but you can't really believe the stuff you are saying. Superman IS strong but there are people that are as strong or stronger than him and Hulk is one of those people that are stronger than him.

Hulk does more collateral damage as a result of it being part of his character to release a lot of ambient energy.

But there is NOTHING that Hulk can lift or damage that Superman can't lift or damage.

Hulk is just as strong as Superman. I've said that many times. I give him that respect.

Unfortunately, he loses in everything else except MAYBE damage soak. His skin is a lot softer, but his regeneration is one of the better ones.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hulk is just as strong as Superman. I've said that many times. I give him that respect. Which Hulk is just as strong as Superman?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No shit.

I'm a pretty well documented Hulk "hater", but I'm also a realist.

Lol...at least you're honest.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Which Hulk is just as strong as Superman?

Hulk at his best period.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hulk does more collateral damage as a result of it being part of his character to release a lot of ambient energy.

But there is NOTHING that Hulk can lift or damage that Superman can't lift or damage.

Hulk is just as strong as Superman. I've said that many times. I give him that respect.

Unfortunately, he loses in everything else except MAYBE damage soak. His skin is a lot softer, but his regeneration is one of the better ones.

Which Hulk are you talking about?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hulk at his best period.

Lol...some of the people Superman lost to physically, I could see WBH completely dominating.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't care about the planet (unless you're bringing up the IMP), I'm going off of something I can measure.
Also, the only time off the top of my head that the IMP has been attributed to Superman was against the Shadow Moon. Science be damned.

They were Savage Hulk level, and Arm'Cheddon was even higher, even durable enough to survive multiple "weaker" Worldbreaker assaults. Plus the hundreds of class 100 Mindless Ones.

You think Superman could kill 3 Savage Hulk level beings and hundreds of class 100's if he clashed with Zod... with one punch?

Where was it stated that they were savage Hulk level? Wendigo and Bi-Beast aren't planet destruction survivors at normal rates. And simply being amped 1000 fold isn't enough to make them that. Besides, its questionable if that amp even lasted the whole time outside of when they were giant.

Arm'cheddon took some hits from a weaker 'worldbreaker' who wasn't doing much but shaking a city wide area by the art. That's a lot less than planetary.

Again. Superman releases less ambient energy in his punches.

But that doesn't mean he's weaker.

It's all about pressure in the end.

All wrong. Superman one shots WBH because he has to, and saves Lois AND Betty. That's how Superman operates, on another level, not like Hulk.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Where was it stated that they were savage Hulk level? Wendigo and Bi-Beast aren't planet destruction survivors at normal rates. And simply being amped 1000 fold isn't enough to make them that. Besides, its questionable if that amp even lasted the whole time outside of when they were giant.

Arm'cheddon took some hits from a weaker 'worldbreaker' who wasn't doing much but shaking a city wide area by the art. That's a lot less than planetary.

Again. Superman releases less ambient energy in his punches.

But that doesn't mean he's weaker.

It's all about pressure in the end.

You are getting confused Cosmic. The only reason more damage wasn't done during WBH when he took his step was just because of that, he took a measly step and was shaking the east coast. He was hitting Armaggedon with full fledged on punches, not just tiny foot step hits.

Hulk energy had nothing to do with what he did, it was all strength unless you got a scan proving otherwise. That's why they show his feet every time he does it...

Example....

Feet.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094154/Incredible_Hulks_632_009.jpg.html

Feet..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh034.jpg

Feet...

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg

Just a foot step and obviously involving strength. Do you think Superman could take an average footstep and do as much damage as a holding back WBH?

By the way, looking at their fights they are Savage Hulk level.

Wendigo has stalemated Hulk numerous of times.

Bi beast defeated Hulk and stalemated him as well.

Armageddon overpowered Merged Hulk who is stronger than Savage.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
All wrong. Superman one shots WBH because he has to, and saves Lois AND Betty. That's how Superman operates, on another level, not like Hulk.



http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/gifs/3016856_o-1.gif

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Where was it stated that they were savage Hulk level? Wendigo and Bi-Beast aren't planet destruction survivors at normal rates. And simply being amped 1000 fold isn't enough to make them that. Besides, its questionable if that amp even lasted the whole time outside of when they were giant.

Arm'cheddon took some hits from a weaker 'worldbreaker' who wasn't doing much but shaking a city wide area by the art. That's a lot less than planetary.

Again. Superman releases less ambient energy in his punches.

But that doesn't mean he's weaker.

It's all about pressure of the fist. They've been Savage Hulk level ever since they were introduced in comics...
I don't care about the amp. If they had the amp they were way above Savage Hulk level, so...

It was on Earth first off (and he was shaking the continent), and that Worldbreaker was on the same level as he was at the end of WWH.

Which is caused by Hulk's punches. Even if everything Hulk has done is due to the energy being released, you can't exactly take that away from him.
Also, none of the energy being released was green, so there's that...

Originally posted by carver9
You are getting confused Cosmic. The only reason more damage wasn't done during WBH when he took his step was just because of that, he took a measly step and was shaking the east coast. He was hitting Armaggedon with full fledged on punches, not just tiny foot step hits.

Hulk energy had nothing to do with what he did, it was all strength unless you got a scan proving otherwise. That's why they show his feet every time he does it...

Example....

Feet.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094154/Incredible_Hulks_632_009.jpg.html

Feet..

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh034.jpg

Feet...

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg

Just a foot step and obviously involving strength. Do you think Superman could take an average footstep and do as much damage as a holding back WBH?

What?

With a single step, I see him releasing ambient energy all over the place.

Show me where you're getting that his energy is not a part of it?

Because the saying 'with a single step'. Doesn't contradict the fact that he's bleeding energy all over the place, and that alone, even while he's not even moving is doing damage as well.

So by reasonable deduction, it couldn't possibly be strength alone.

But hey, its not as if the shockwaves of Superman's punches haven't rattled a planet before as well.

And that's greater than directly stepping on the ground, since its, you know, indirect.

And he's not even releasing any ambient energy like the Hulk does with gamma. It's simply the force of his punches landing.

^ Unless the energy is some sort of extraneous force not generated by Hulk, I fail to see how this tangent is relevant.

And Savage/Mindless Hulk has rattled the planet before without directly stepping on the ground. Hell, WBH obliterated a planet indirectly.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, looking at their fights they are Savage Hulk level.

Wendigo has stalemated Hulk numerous of times.

Bi beast defeated Hulk and stalemated him as well.

Armageddon overpowered Merged Hulk who is stronger than Savage.

Savage Hulk has no set level.

So its too convenient to try to say any decent brick that has hurt him is 'on his level'.

Guess that goes for Doc Samson as well.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What?

With a single step, I see him releasing ambient energy all over the place.

Show me where you're getting that his energy is not a part of it?

Because the saying 'with a single step'. Doesn't contradict the fact that he's bleeding energy all over the place, and that alone, even while he's not even moving is doing damage as well.

So by reasonable deduction, it couldn't possibly be strength alone.

Hey, its not as if the shockwaves of Superman's punches haven't rattled a planet before. And that's greater than directly stepping on the ground, since its indirect.


Lol...right after that scan, while raising his leg, he turned back to Banner to prevent himself from sinking the east coast.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094156/Incredible_Hulks_632_012.jpg.html

After this, he didn't take a single footstep to prevent any type of destruction as WBH. If it didnt have anything to do with strength, why would he revert back to Banner to prevent himself from taking a step?

Then its stated on panel that it was the footsteps that did it...stated more than once. You are trying to add to something that is not true. I showed you two instances where it was STATED to be his footsteps, what do you have?

Show me Superman rattling a planet with a punch.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Unless the energy is some sort of extraneous force not generated by Hulk, I fail to see how this tangent is relevant.

And Savage/Mindless Hulk has rattled the planet before without directly stepping on the ground. Hell, WBH obliterated a planet indirectly.

The point the entire time is Hulk being capable of more collateral damage than Superman is not a show of greater strength, since his natural bodily energy projection factors in.

Speaking on just the force of his muscles and the pressure of his fist colliding with an object, there is nothing that Hulk could lift or damage that Superman cannot.

Does that make sense?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...right after that scan, while raising his leg, he turned back to Banner to prevent himself from sinking the east coast.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8094156/Incredible_Hulks_632_012.jpg.html

After this, he didn't take a single footstep to prevent any type of destruction as WBH. If it didnt have anything to do with strength, why would he revert back to Banner to prevent himself from taking a step?

Then its stated on panel that it was the footsteps that did it...stated more than once. You are trying to add to something that is not true. I showed you two instances where it was STATED to be his footsteps, what do you have?

Show me Superman rattling a planet with a punch.

*facepalm*

Read again, Carver.

I said it wasn't strength ALONE. Not that there was NO strength involved.

'With a single foot step'. What happens with that single foot step? That's right. Gamma energy flows the whole radius of the impact.

And that gamma energy? Was doing collateral damage while he's not even moving as well, so its confirmed that the gamma energy CONTRIBUTES to any damage he creates.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Savage Hulk has no set level.

So its too convenient to try to say any decent brick that has hurt him is 'on his level'.

Guess that goes for Doc Samson as well.

In prolong fights where he is pissed talking about killing his opponents, he is high end. You are picking and choosing.

This doesn't have a thing to do about hurting because if that was the case, that would make Shadow Dragon high Herald since he hurt Superman. This is CONSISTENT showings and consistently, Wendigo and Bi Beast have shown to be on Savage Hulk level. Armageddon shown he was a power house. All of this is obvious.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The point the entire time is Hulk being capable of more collateral damage than Superman is not a show of greater strength, since his natural bodily energy projection factors in.

Speaking on just the force of his muscles and the pressure of his fist colliding with an object, there is nothing that Hulk could lift or damage that Superman cannot.

Does that make sense? Since you agree that Hulk is generating the energy projection in the first place, what does it matter? Conceding that WBH is capable of more destructive force but arguing that WBH somehow is weaker (musclewise) seems to be a meaningless endeavor.

Except I've never seen Superman obliterate a planet by striking another equally powerful foe via collateral damage.

When you're able to reconcile the above, it might make sense.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
*facepalm*

Read again, Carver.

I said it wasn't strength ALONE. Not that there was NO strength involved.

Him leaking energy doesn't have a thing to do with his showing. How about this...right here he isn't leaking any type of energy and the same results happened.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg

No green energy but the same results.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Superman might, and could win here, but there's no way he's comparable in a strength fest after Pak ran a rape train through Hulk's character.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Since you agree that Hulk is generating the energy projection in the first place, what does it matter? Conceding that WBH is capable of more destructive force but arguing that WBH somehow is weaker (musclewise) seems to be a meaningless endeavor.

Except I've never seen Superman obliterate a planet by striking another equally powerful foe via collateral damage.

When you're able to reconcile the above, it might make sense.

I never argued that WBH is weaker muscle wise if you read. I called him equal to Superman in strength, but greater in potential collateral damage.

That doesn't mean his fist produces more pressure when it lands on an object. That simply means there is peripheral energy flow along with his movements.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I never argued that WBH is weaker muscle wise if you read. I called him equal to Superman in strength, but greater in potential collateral damage.

That doesn't mean his fist produces more pressure when it lands on an object. That simply means there is peripheral energy flow along with his movements.

Sigh*

Superman.

Speedblitz wins this. He can read the paper, have a snack and take a dump in the time it'd take the Hulk to register one second of time passing.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I never argued that WBH is weaker muscle wise if you read. I called him equal to Superman in strength, but greater in potential collateral damage.

That doesn't mean his fist produces more pressure when it lands on an object. That simply means there is peripheral energy flow along with his movements. I see no reason here to think that Hulk's recent feats as Worldbreaker suddenly must be divorced from pure strength and attributed to energy projection.

I don't think Pak was meaning to turn Hulk into one of the most devastating energy projection characters in Marvel. I think he was just illustrating how he's the strongest there is.

All this talk of energy projection detracting from Hulk's pure strength reminds me of all the conjecture surrounding Superman's flight detracting from Superman's pure strength. Neither was ever ruled out definitively to my knowledge but both theories just seem pointless.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman.

Speedblitz wins this. He can read the paper, have a snack and take a dump in the time it'd take the Hulk to register one second of time passing.

I agree with this...since people like

Hulk
The General
Doomsday
Grundy
Mangog
Despero
Juggernaut
Titus
Shaggyman
Konvikt

Never shown the ability to read a paper at super speed, they shouldn't face people like Gladiator, Nova Prime, Fire Lord, Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, hell, I can throw kid Gladiator up in there as well.

We need to exempt these non reader papers at super speed from vs threads. Let's ignore all of the combat showings involving Gladiator and the crew getting slapped around by these people, its obviously a life time worth of PIS. Gladiator solos the entire crew without getting touched in less than a second 10/10.

There is no theory here. Simply fact.

Hulk's energy projection is shown doing damage to the environment even while he's simply in one spot roid raging up.

Thus, logically, it contributes. Who's asking for a divorce? I'm asking for an acknowledgement of a consolidation of two factors clearly at work.

Originally posted by carver9
Him leaking energy doesn't have a thing to do with his showing. How about this...right here he isn't leaking any type of energy and the same results happened.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/WBHfootstepdoesitagain3.jpg

No green energy but the same results.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this...since people like

Hulk
The General
Doomsday
Grundy
Mangog
Despero
Juggernaut
Titus
Shaggyman
Konvikt

Never shown the ability to read a paper at super speed, they shouldn't face people like Gladiator, Nova Prime, Fire Lord, Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, hell, I can throw kid Gladiator up in there as well.

We need to exempt these non reader papers at super speed from vs threads. Let's ignore all of the combat showings involving Gladiator and the crew getting slapped around by these people, its obviously a life time worth of PIS. Gladiator solos the entire crew without getting touched in less than a second 10/10.



Gladiator operating at nanosecond level speed--like he did that one time with Hyperion, absolutely SHOULD wreck the Hulk without getting hit a single time.

That is, if Gladiator is meant to be nanosecond level in reflexes consistently. Superman certainly is.

Hulk definitely has great reflexes. But they are in the low hypersonic levels.

Hardly lightspeed. Not even close.

Simply saying 'Superspeed' is being deliberately vague.

Hulk absolutely has superspeed. No doubt about it. There's not a man or creature alive that can possibly move as fast as him.

That's superspeed enough. Unfortuntately there are levels to the term.

Originally posted by carver9


Show the entire scene.

He's not doing anywhere near the kind of damage he is when he's leaking energy like a broken pipe.

He's taking several steps in that scan and all I see is some ambiguously loud sound effect and a little rubble around his feet, and then only in the final panel.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Gladiator operating at nanosecond level speed--like he did that one time with Hyperion, absolutely SHOULD wreck the Hulk without getting hit a single time.

That is, if Gladiator is meant to be nanosecond level in reflexes consistently. Superman certainly is.

Hulk definitely has great reflexes. But they are in the low hypersonic levels.

Hardly lightspeed. Not even close.

Simply saying 'Superspeed' is being deliberately vague.

Hulk absolutely has superspeed. No doubt about it. There's not a man or creature alive that can possibly move as fast as him.

That's superspeed enough. Unfortuntately there are levels to the term.

So we agree that its a lifetime worth of PIS involved with these character getting tagged by the bricks I've brought up?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
There is no theory here. Simply fact.

Hulk's energy projection is shown doing damage to the environment even while he's simply in one spot roid raging up.

Thus, logically, it contributes. Who's asking for a divorce? I'm asking for an acknowledgement of a consolidation of two factors clearly at work. Yeah, that's what people said about nearly all of Superman's impressive strength feats which almost invariably involve flight save for one or two feats. Forgive my disbelief.

Let's change "Hulk strongest there is!!!" to "Hulk most energy projectiony there is!!!"

GREEN ENERGY!!!
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk6.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk7.jpg

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Show the entire scene.

He's not doing anywhere near the kind of damage he is when he's leaking energy like a broken pipe.

He's taking several steps in that scan and all I see is some ambiguously loud sound effect and a little rubble around his feet, and then only in the final panel.

Where do you see several steps? That was one step.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, that's what people said about nearly all of Superman's impressive strength feats which almost invariably involve flight save for one or two feats. Forgive my disbelief.

Let's change "Hulk strongest there is!!!" to "Hulk most energy projectiony there is!!!"

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, that's what people said about nearly all of Superman's impressive strength feats which almost invariably involve flight save for one or two feats. Forgive my disbelief.

Let's change "Hulk strongest there is!!!" to "Hulk most energy projectiony there is!!!"



You certainly are bitter.

But just to clarify where I stand and have always stood, I absolutely agree that flight adds an ambiguous element to some of Superman's physical feats.

Logically, it HAS to;

Superman pulling the Earth with Hal's construct harness...obviously he's not standing on solid ground pulling the Earth. And his flight comes from some other mysterious part of Kryptonian biology, not his muscles. So what is going on here? Obviously on a purely physical level it is at least a durability feat that his body can withstand the strain of the harness on him pulling the Earth.


The thing about Superman is, he has amazing strength feats outside of simply pushing or pulling shit in space with the horsepower of his flight behind him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You certainly are bitter. Stopped reading

I'm sure there's some Iron Fist thread out there that would be better served with your meager attention, bruh.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm sure there's some Iron Fist thread out there that would be better served with your meager attention, bruh. At least I'd have a shred of knowledge on both combatants.

I just find it ironic that ODG is the bitter one, when you have a sig of Superman ripping off Hulk's head in your sig, and have a great general hatred of him... matched by how little you know of him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You certainly are bitter.

But just to clarify where I stand and have always stood, I absolutely agree that flight adds an ambiguous element to some of Superman's physical feats. Jebus christ on a stick. facepalm Originally posted by CosmicComet
Logically, it HAS to;

Superman pulling the Earth with Hal's construct harness...obviously he's not standing on solid ground pulling the Earth. And his flight comes from some other mysterious part of Kryptonian biology, not his muscles. So what is going on here? Obviously on a purely physical level it is at least a durability feat that his body can withstand the strain of the harness on him pulling the Earth. Well, you're certainly committed to these types of theories. So at least you're not being blindly hypocritical about it... Originally posted by CosmicComet

The thing about Superman is, he has amazing strength feats outside of simply pushing or pulling shit in space with the horsepower of his flight behind him. ... except when you are being blindly hypocritical about it. carver9 already showed you one of WBH's footsteps shaking the entire North American continent without gamma energy splashing everywhere. Nice try.

Why would I be bitter?

Superman has better feats in all mediums, and has a perfect record against the Hulk to the general public. Being a Superman fan is refreshing like that.

I'd be bitter if I was a Thor fan with him holding the Hulk's severed head.

I don't know why, but you are.

Look at how mad you got when you heard Hulk was going to be a big deal in the Avengers for example.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Why would I be bitter?

Superman has better feats in all mediums, and has a perfect record against the Hulk to the general public. Being a Superman fan is refreshing like that.

I'd bitter if I was a Thor fan holding the Hulk's severed head.

No he doesn't.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Jebus christ on a stick. facepalm Well, you're certainly committed to these types of theories. So at least you're not being blindly hypocritical about it... ... except when you are being blindly hypocritical about it. carver9 already showed you one of WBH's footsteps shaking the entire North American continent without gamma energy splashing everywhere. Nice try.

It seems to me you're just further bitter now since you can't use that line of logic against me. So, you're trying to further find reasons to be mad. I applaud the begrudging respect from it though.

And no, Carver showed me a scene where Hulk is taking several steps. And only in the final panel is there any sort of ambiguously loud sound apparent in the scene, and some crackling in the ground. And the damage was nowhere near what he was doing when he was hulking up with energy around him as well.

And seeing as I said his collateral damage potential is part strength *and* part ambient energy flow, it contradicted absolutely nothing I said.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't know why, but you are.

Look at how mad you got when you heard Hulk was going to be a big deal in the Avengers for example.

That had nothing to do with Superman though.

That just had to do with my major dislike for the Hulk as a character on his own.

There's nothing bitter about being able to say something along the lines of Superman being able to blitz the shit out of the Hulk. That's just comfortably knowing feats.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That had nothing to do with Superman though.

That just had to do with my major dislike for the Hulk as a character on his own.

There's nothing bitter about being able to say something along the lines of Superman being able to blitz the shit out of the Hulk. That's just comfortably knowing feats.
So you're incredibly bitter about Hulk and Hulk related things...

Way to show me!

Totally see them fighting with this background music
-VILgSsesD0

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So you're incredibly bitter about Hulk and Hulk related things...

Way to show me!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=563909&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It seems to me you're just further bitter now since you can't use that line of logic against me. So, you're trying to further find reasons to be mad. I applaud the begrudging respect from it though. I'm frustrated that you think Superman's flight somehow detracts from Superman's strength. It's a retarded theory. It doesn't even matter unless we're speaking of some KMC contest where Superman must lift things and he cannot fly. Of course, considering your half-stepping hypocrisy, doubt you'd be the first to jump in that thread and point out this moron theory. Originally posted by CosmicComet
And no, Carver showed me a scene where Hulk is taking several steps. And only in the final panel is there any sort of ambiguously loud sound apparent in the scene, and some crackling in the ground. And the damage was nowhere near what he was doing when he was hulking up with energy around him as well. Nowhere near the damage being done like in World War Hulk except the same lil old couple in Greenwich, Connecticut was commenting on the same tremors again (only this time Hulk was in Washington D.C. and not in Manhattan). You're trying to convince me that the damage WBH did in World War Hulk was not similar to the damage done in World War Hulks? They got John Romita Jr to come back for a single page to illustrate the similarity:

World War Hulk #5:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/th_WWHShockwave03a.jpg

Incredible Hulks #610:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/th_WWHShockwave05610.jpg Originally posted by CosmicComet
And seeing as I said his collateral damage potential is part strength *and* part ambient energy flow, it contradicted absolutely nothing I said. Except where pure strength did what so-called part-strength and part-energy projection did. Do yourself a favor. Give it up.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Totally see them fighting with this background music
-VILgSsesD0

Lol...I can see that.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So you're incredibly bitter about Hulk and Hulk related things...

Way to show me!

I'm still confused at what you think you're even attempting to do here.

I called ODG's post bitter, because he provided a sarcastic post that didn't address anything that I had said, but simply commented on some feeling of disparity he feels he has seen with the scrutiny of Superman's feats being waved off.

But unfortunately for him, he didn't trap me in some back-peddling contradiction for the scenario and I fairly acknowledged his critique and agreed with it.

So, how am I being bitter exactly? I didn't deny Hulk any feats, and I acknowledged criticism towards certain Superman feats as well using the same sort of scrutinizing that I am applying for the Hulk.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm still confused at what you think you're even attempting to do here.

I called ODG's post bitter, because he provided a sarcastic post that didn't address anything that I had said, but simply commented on some feeling of disparity he feels he has seen with the scrutiny of Superman's feats being waved off.

But unfortunately for him, he didn't trap me in some back-peddling contradiction for the scenario and I fairly acknowledged his critique and agreed with it.

So, how am I being bitter exactly? I didn't deny Hulk any feats, and I acknowledged criticism towards certain Superman feats as well using the same sort of scrutinizing that I am applying for the Hulk. You're not rewriting history any better than you're trying to convince people you're not a hypocrite here.

That the comics we're discussing clearly illustrate you're incorrect makes trying to ferret out your double standards superfluous: Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm frustrated that you think Superman's flight somehow detracts from Superman's strength. It's a retarded theory. It doesn't even matter unless we're speaking of some KMC contest where Superman must lift things and he cannot fly. Of course, considering your half-stepping hypocrisy, doubt you'd be the first to jump in that thread and point out this moron theory.

Nowhere near the damage being done like in World War Hulk except the same lil old couple in Greenwich, Connecticut was commenting on the same tremors again (only this time Hulk was in Washington D.C. and not in Manhattan). You're trying to convince me that the damage WBH did in World War Hulk was not similar to the damage done in World War Hulks? They got John Romita Jr to come back for a single page to illustrate the similarity:

World War Hulk #5:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/th_WWHShockwave03a.jpg

Incredible Hulks #610:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/th_WWHShockwave05610.jpg

Except where pure strength did what so-called part-strength and part-energy projection did. Do yourself a favor. Give it up.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm still confused at what you think you're even attempting to do here. That you calling someone bitter in a Hulk related thread is incredibly ironic.

Superman puts up a better fight than almost any being could and what some would assume is realistic but this battle only ends with Hulk raping his corpse.

Hulk beats the life from him. Earth 1 Superman is less than New Earth Superman who he'd also rape. Lois dies again.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_Kal-lsig1b.jpg

Hulk leaves with a broken heart and broken face.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm frustrated that you think Superman's flight somehow detracts from Superman's strength. It's a retarded theory. It doesn't even matter unless we're speaking of some KMC contest where Superman must lift things and he cannot fly. Of course, considering your half-stepping hypocrisy, doubt you'd be the first to jump in that thread and point out this moron theory.

Of course you are frustrated. You aren't fooling anyone when the post originally came across as a mewling, whiny attempt at deflecting the issue to possible hypocrisy with how some of Superman's feats are looked at in comparison to the Hulk;

"Yeah, that's what people said about nearly all of Superman's impressive strength feats which almost invariably involve flight save for one or two feats. Forgive my disbelief.

Let's change "Hulk strongest there is!!!" to "Hulk most energy projectiony there is!!!" "


WAHHH YOU ARE SO UNFAIR TO HULKY WAHH. Sorry. That's all I see.

So don't try to take some half-baked disaffected, neutral, high ground stance here by saying you are now frustrated because I'm 'low balling' Superman now or something. That's not what you care about. And it's a joke to even attempt to portray yourself as such.

You were hoping to somehow use the logic against me, in order to call me a hypocrite, but I've provided equal critiques on how both ends; both Superman and Hulk, have feats that questionably cannot be called pure strength alone, and now you're STILL trying to call me a hypocrite. I guess you were just really set on using the word hypocrite today.

It's a 'moron' theory now eh? Certainly didn't seem that was the stance you were taking in the quote I put up there, it certainly smacked of some sort of appeal to popularity fallacy attempt at questioning unfairness in appraisal of feats between two characters. I guess they were all morons as well then, eh? If they were, what was the point of even bringing it up? Because in the end, I could concede that both showings could be 'pure strength', but that unfortunately would change nothing on my end would it? As I would still have reasons to compare Superman's strength favorably to Hulk. So I guess what I'm trying to understand is; 'what the phuck is your point this whole time?' You're just flip flopping hard.

Anyway, we're going off on a tangent now, but you wouldn't be able to even explain why its a 'moron' theory anyway. All you ever seem to do these days is complain that things are 'stupid' or 'dumb' and try to portray yourself as this disillusioned intellectual that never has to explain himself on that front, on top of, you know, doing the same ol' bitter WAHHH HULK IS TREATED UNFAIRLY routine like you did in that Doomsday thread a week or two back. You're not convincing anyone of this shit. Explain, One *Dumb* Go, how its 'moron' theory when everything I said is true?; Flight is an extra-capability that doesn't come from muscle power.

(Again, not that it matters, since like said already, Superman does crazy shit even outside of flight related pulling feats)





I'm not trying to convince you of anything but that;

The gamma energy he leaks out is confirmed on panel to do damage to the surroundings by itself, even when Hulk is not moving.

Therefore, the feats CANNOT, by logic, be purely strength based. Not when he releases energy when he's ramping up his strength levels and that energy is confirmed to cause damage itself.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Of course you are frustrated. You aren't fooling anyone when the post originally came across as a mewling, whiny attempt at deflecting the issue to possible hypocrisy with how some of Superman's feats are looked at in comparison to the Hulk; And how did you react to that insinuation of hypocrisy? By offering a half-hearted admission couched in... "but it's different for Superman because of other things." Don't try to backstep. Proceed with your decension into utter absurdity: Originally posted by CosmicComet
"Yeah, that's what people said about nearly all of Superman's impressive strength feats which almost invariably involve flight save for one or two feats. Forgive my disbelief.

Let's change "Hulk strongest there is!!!" to "Hulk most energy projectiony there is!!!" "

WAHHH YOU ARE SO UNFAIR TO HULKY WAHH. Sorry. That's all I see. You haven't offered anything but a completely obvious projection of your own bitterness onto me. Originally posted by CosmicComet
So don't try to take some half-baked disaffected, neutral, high ground stance here by saying you are now frustrated because I'm 'low balling' Superman now or something. That's not what you care about. And it's a joke to even attempt to portray yourself as such. My stance isn't neutral. It's a stance that pokes at your own farcical attempt at fair handedness. Amply demonstrated by your constant attacks on Hulk's feats and defenses of Superman's. Originally posted by CosmicComet
You wanted to somehow using the logic against me, in order to call me a hypocrite, but I've provided equal critiques on how both ends; both Superman and Hulk, have feats that questionably cannot be called pure strength alone, and now you're STILL trying to call me a hypocrite. I guess you were just really set on using the word hypocrite today. No, you haven't. You just acted like you believe in this flight-assisted strength theory while completely dismissing it by vague allusions to "other Superman feats." That you refuse to accept carver9's previous posting of a non-gamma energy projection footstep feat is delicious irony.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's a 'moron' theory now eh? Certainly didn't seem that was the stance you were taking in the quote I put up there, it certainly smacked of some sort of appeal to popularity fallacy attempt at questioning unfairness in appraisal of feats between two characters. I guess they were all morons as well then, eh? If they were, what was the point of even bringing it up? Because in the end, I could concede that both showings could be 'pure strength', but that unfortunately would change nothing on my end would it? As I would still have reasons to compare Superman's strength favorably to Hulk. So I guess what I'm trying to understand is; 'what the phuck is your point this whole time?' You're just flip flopping hard. It is indeed a moron theory. The sarcasm was lost on you. Completely. That's your fault, not mine. I was of the impression that you were smart enough to dismiss such flight-assisted strength feat theories. I obviously was mistaken. Bringing that up did, though, completely uncover your strenuous wriggling attempts to reverse-justify looking past it for Superman though. You bringing up Superman's non-flight assisted strength feats but somehow completely ignoring Hulk's non-gamma projection assisted strength feats washes how exactly? Originally posted by CosmicComet
Anyway, we're going off on a tangent now, but you wouldn't be able to even explain why its a 'moron' theory anyway. All you ever seem to do these days is complain that things are 'stupid' or 'dumb' and try to portray yourself as this disillusioned intellectual that never has to explain himself on that front, on top of, you know, doing the same ol' bitter WAHHH HULK IS TREATED UNFAIRLY routine like you did in that Doomsday thread a week or two back. You're not convincing anyone of this shit. Explain, One *Dumb* Go, how its 'moron' theory when everything I said is true?; Flight is an extra-capability that doesn't come from muscle power.

(Again, not that it matters, since like said already, Superman does crazy shit even outside of flight related pulling feats)We're on the exact tangent I was steering you towards. That you walked blindly into it with personal diatribe and your bumbling contempt was something else I was counting on. You're predictable. Sorry.

And Hulk has crazy non-gamma energy projection assisted strength feats as well. So much for your evenhanded demeanor. Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm not trying to convince you of anything but that; Don't worry. You didn't convince me of anything. kinda

I don't want to read the back and forth about who's bitter, so imma just post my two-cents:

Even if people think that some of the collateral damage from Hulk's smash is accomplished by waves of energy, that energy is only exerted when Hulk's muscling about and is for all purposes an extension of his strength. If Hulk's thunderclap is now making green waves of destruction, it's still for all mechanical purposes a thunderclap and making a distinction between pure strength and gamma-energy strength rings like a pretty hollow attempt to save Superman some sort of 'still just as strong technically!' title.

Which is goofy and a waste of time.

Anyways, I think Hulk wins this.

Originally posted by Existere
I don't want to read the back and forth about who's bitter, so imma just post my two-cents:

Even if people think that some of the collateral damage from Hulk's smash is accomplished by waves of energy, that energy is only exerted when Hulk's muscling about and is for all purposes an extension of his strength. If Hulk's thunderclap is now making green waves of destruction, it's still for all mechanical purposes a thunderclap and making a distinction between pure strength and gamma-energy strength rings like a pretty hollow attempt to save Superman some sort of 'still just as strong technically!' title.

Which is goofy and a waste of time.

Anyways, I think Hulk wins this.



Personally, I think Lois is a much greater motivator to Clark than Betty is to Bruce, but I agree with your assessment as far as Hulk's strength/"energy projection" goes.

Well then someone needs to explain just what the hell the energy is doing Because it certainly isn't there for the cool effects. When I looked at those sequences in which the energy was involved it seemed to me to indicate "holy shyte, this guy is so pumped up with gamma energy that even the merest step causes mass destruction. It also seemed to me that the energy had some destructive affect in the process.

And then to add in another element, I've seen some people here argue in other threads that it does have destructive affects. In fact one guy even argued that he shot some energy up at Armwhatshisface's ship during their fight in Vegas.

Has any of this been touched on in the actual material?

Personally, I don't think his gamma projection detracts from his strength (seeing as gamma energy is literally the source of said strength) but is a mere side effect of it.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I know that most of this Hulk hate Carver's fault and the shit that comes out of his mouth but sometimes the lengths you guys go to low ball Hulks feats is pretty ridiculous.

Spot on. Its straight laughable though unsurprising at this point.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman.

Speedblitz wins this. He can read the paper, have a snack and take a dump in the time it'd take the Hulk to register one second of time passing. You don't know comics just like you don't know movies. At least you're consistently ignorant.

Originally posted by dmills
Well then someone needs to explain just what the hell the energy is doing Because it certainly isn't there for the cool effects. When I looked at those sequences in which the energy was involved it seemed to me to indicate "holy shyte, this guy is so pumped up with gamma energy that even the merest step causes mass destruction. It also seemed to me that the energy had some destructive affect in the process.

And then to add in another element, I've seen some people here argue in other threads that it does. In fact one guy even argued that he shot some energy up at Armwhatshisface's ship during their fight in Vegas.

Has any of this been touched on in the actual material? The scenes require as much explanation as much as other similar scenes. OWAW Superman was exuding torrents of flaming solar energy when tearing through Braniac-13's drones and pushing Warworld. Few (if any) people attribute such feats to Superman's solar energy projection pretending like it had less to do with strength than solar energy.

Hulk does have gamma projection. He projects it at Arm'Chedon's ships and obliterates them. And if he were hovering over Manhattan or Washington D.C. and coastal destruction ensued after a wave of green energy vaporized the ground, it'd be a feat of gamma projection. But he didn't. He took a footstep (twice). And everybody exclaimed that if he took more footsteps, he'd destroy more of it.

Splitting hairs is unnecessary at this point. Is Hulk capable of this widespread destruction? Yes. Is it because he is "the strongest there is"? Yes. Should we be treating him differently in a vs. thread that doesn't even try to split such hairs and requires such distinctions? No. This thread doesn't involve a WBH who is "not allowed to augment his destructive capabilities with any sort of gamma projection whatsoever."

So what, exactly, is the point of bringing such theories up? Several people have pointed to it just now. And it's frankly unflattering.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally, I don't think his gamma projection detracts from his strength (seeing as gamma energy is literally the source of said strength) but is a mere side effect of it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The scenes require as much explanation as much as other similar scenes. OWAW Superman was exuding torrents of flaming solar energy when tearing through Braniac-13's drones and pushing Warworld. Few (if any) people attribute such feats to Superman's solar energy projection pretending like it had less to do with strength than solar energy.

Hulk does have gamma projection. He projects it at Arm'Chedon's ships and obliterates them. And if he were hovering over Manhattan or Washington D.C. and coastal destruction ensued after a wave of green energy vaporized the ground, it'd be a feat of gamma projection. But he didn't. He took a footstep (twice). And everybody exclaimed that if he took more footsteps, he'd destroy more of it.

Splitting hairs is unnecessary at this point. Is Hulk capable of this widespread destruction? Yes. Is it because he is "the strongest there is"? Yes. Should we be treating him differently in a vs. thread that doesn't even try to split such hairs and requires such distinctions? No. This thread doesn't involve a WBH who is "not allowed to augment his destructive capabilities with any sort of gamma projection whatsoever."

So what, exactly, is the point of bringing such theories up? Several people have pointed to it just now. And it's frankly unflattering.


The problem I see here with this issue is that it seems two separate concepts are being forcibly intertwined. Strength and power. Those are two totally different things, much like horsepower and torque or weight and mass. As an example, the Hulk thunderclapping fin fang foom through that magical barrier, that's a feat of power. Hulk holding the tetonic plates together to keep the planet from falling apart, that's strength. I think this is where most of the bickering about this is coming from tbh.

So while Superman could conceivably stalemate WBH (not saying he would) in say, a locking up hands and pushing like so many comics like to portray. The Hulk could just as easily punch Supes's head right off of his shoulders and neither incident would be contradictory. Either way, I see no reason to detract from Hulk's power in any case.

Originally posted by dmills
The problem I see here with this issue is that it seems two separate concepts are being forcibly intertwined. Strength and power. Those are two totally different things, much like horsepower and torque, weight and mass. As an example, the Hulk thunderclapping fin fang foom through that magical barrier, that's a feat of power. Hulk holding the tetonic plates together to keep the planet from falling apart, that's strength. I think this is where most of the bickering about this is coming from tbh.

So while Superman could conceivably stalemate WBH (not saying he would) in say, a locking up hands and pushing like so many comics like to portray. The Hulk could just as easily punch Supes's head right off of his shoulders and neither incident would be contradictory.

I can differentiate between power and strength, but I don't think his emission of gamma energy should be used as a means to lowball or discredit physical feats of his.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I can differentiate between power and strength, but I don't think his emission of gamma energy should be used as a means to lowball or discredit physical feats of his.

Nor do I. I can read it and for what it is and it doesn't subtract a thing. CC however is a "deep thinker" type that loves to analyze shit like this to the minutest detail.

At this point I realize that I've probably added nothing of consequence to the discussion

Originally posted by dmills
The problem I see here with this issue is that it seems two separate concepts are being forcibly intertwined. Strength and power. Those are two totally different things, much like horsepower and torque or weight and mass. As an example, the Hulk thunderclapping fin fang foom through that magical barrier, that's a feat of power. Hulk holding the tetonic plates together to keep the planet from falling apart, that's strength. I think this is where most of the bickering about this is coming from tbh.

So while Superman could conceivably stalemate WBH (not saying he would) in say, a locking up hands and pushing like so many comics like to portray. The Hulk could just as easily punch Supes's head right off of his shoulders and neither incident would be contradictory. Either way, I see no reason to detract from Hulk's power in any case. I don't see much here to disagree with. Other than the notion that Superman could stalemate WBH in a grappling contest.

WBH took a footstep, while holding back, and was causing damage to a continent's coastline. Superman never did that with a mere footstep, much less a stomp. WBH, letting loose, obliterated a planet while striking an equally powerful foe incidentally through collateral damage. Superman never did that. I don't see a need to equivocate beyond these simple facts other than painfully obvious pettiness from a select few.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't see much here to disagree with. Other than the notion that Superman could stalemate WBH in a grappling contest.

WBH took a footstep, while holding back, and was causing damage to a continent's coastline. Superman never did that with a mere footstep, much less a stomp. WBH, letting loose, obliterated a planet while striking an equally powerful foe incidentally through collateral damage. Superman never did that. I don't see a need to equivocate beyond these simple facts other than painfully obvious pettiness from a select few.

I was just using the grappling contest as an i.e. Of course I think wbh would fold him like a lawn chair if such a hypothetical contest happened lol.

Since Hulk doesn't shape, direct or even seemingly have absolute control over his gamma energy projection, and since that energy projection only comes into play as an extension of the damage caused by his feats of strength, I don't really see why we need to draw a line between what he's accomplishing with his muscles and what's extraneous gamma damage.

It's all just the damage coming off of a punch, which is the relevant part here, right?

^ Pfft. Gammatard. uhuh

Originally posted by Existere
Since Hulk doesn't shape, direct or even seemingly have absolute control over his gamma energy projection, and since that energy projection only comes into play as an extension of the damage caused by his feats of strength, I don't really see why we need to draw a line between what he's accomplishing with his muscles and what's extraneous gamma damage.

It's all just the damage coming off of a punch, which is the relevant part here, right?

We're just having an interesting discussion. CC likes to apply exact science to these things and just can't let shyte like this go lol. Add in ODG, and we have the makings of a "grab your popcorn" type of debate lol.

CC and ODG...mmm


Shall I close the thread and declare a winner? biscuits

Originally posted by Badabing
CC and ODG...mmm


Shall I close the thread and declare a winner? biscuits

Please. Those two could go for 20 more pages at least.

Originally posted by Badabing
CC and ODG...mmm


Shall I close the thread and declare a winner? biscuits

Do not close this thread yet.

Lol..d*** I was hoping this was over.

So again with this "flight aids strength" bullshit by gamma brigade. How unsurprising its by ODG.

Damn! I Love This Kind Of Debate.....Oh And My Pick Superman FTW

Originally posted by TheHulk
My Pick Superman FTW
blowup

Thread's over guys. Hell froze over and the fat lady sang.

Originally posted by Cogito
blowup

Thread's over guys. Hell froze over and the fat lady sang. what's wrong with voicing my opinion?

Originally posted by TheHulk
Damn! I Love This Kind Of Debate.....Oh And My Pick Superman FTW

Originally posted by Cogito
blowup

Thread's over guys. Hell froze over and the fat lady sang.
hysterical2

Superman, obviously.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman tanked those same punches.

Take the stupidity to another thread, please.

Originally posted by carver9
Why Are People Giving Weird Emotions To My Post What's Wrong!?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman, obviously.



Take the stupidity to another thread, please.

Hulkie Boy blows himself up. Supes wins.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It seems to me you're just further bitter now since you can't use that line of logic against me. So, you're trying to further find reasons to be mad. I applaud the begrudging respect from it though.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Of course you are frustrated. You aren't fooling anyone when the post originally came across as a mewling, whiny attempt at deflecting the issue to possible hypocrisy with how some of Superman's feats are looked at in comparison to the Hulk;

"Yeah, that's what people said about nearly all of Superman's impressive strength feats which almost invariably involve flight save for one or two feats. Forgive my disbelief.

Let's change "Hulk strongest there is!!!" to "Hulk most energy projectiony there is!!!" "


WAHHH YOU ARE SO UNFAIR TO HULKY WAHH. Sorry. That's all I see.

So don't try to take some half-baked disaffected, neutral, high ground stance here by saying you are now frustrated because I'm 'low balling' Superman now or something. That's not what you care about. And it's a joke to even attempt to portray yourself as such.

You were hoping to somehow use the logic against me, in order to call me a hypocrite, but I've provided equal critiques on how both ends; both Superman and Hulk, have feats that questionably cannot be called pure strength alone, and now you're STILL trying to call me a hypocrite. I guess you were just really set on using the word hypocrite today.

I actually laughed at that part of the discussion.

As for this thread, 3 things:

1. Superman has better feats than what WBH showed.
2. Superman's best top 3 feats, at least, have nothing to do with flying.
3. At least two of those feats are unsurpassable in comic book terms.

And those two I'm talking about are the infinite page lifting and the blackhole containing ones. There's nothing anyone, can ever do that can surpass lifting infinite amount of weight. There's nothing anyone, can ever do that would compare to having your muscles against the infinite force of a singularity. Those are as high-end as one can possibly achieve.

No, they are not representative of what Superman is capable of under the majority of writers. But if you want to get into a feat war with him, even if your name is Hulk at your best, you can't beat them for the simple fact that they can't be beat. If somebody choses to take these feats as true representatives of what the characters is capable of at his best, (and judging by how characters like Silver Surfer or whomever are portrayed on the forum, they wouldn't be to blame) power to them. Hulk has the advantage that the WBH feats are his only feats in that forum, so his true capabilities are just that.

But the bottom line, as always, is that Superman doesn't need to be stronger than Hulk to beat him, because as far as forum fights are concerned, it doesn't come down to that. It never has, baring the Hulk fanboys, realizing how helpless their character is otherwise, trying to bring Superman down to a dumb brute who forgets that Hulk could never touch him, while he could hit him as many times as he wants, before Hulk comprehends the fight is underway.

OMNI blast slaps Supes in the face, Hulk combo to ko's him after this takes place.

Originally posted by carver9
OMNI blast slaps Supes in the face, Hulk combo to ko's him after this takes place.

You're Marvel's H1A8 now. Happy?

Originally posted by TheHulk
what's wrong with voicing my opinion?

Absolutely nothing.

You just surprised me, is all.

Originally posted by Cogito
Absolutely nothing.

You just surprised me, is all. How?

Originally posted by TheHulk
How?

Was expecting you to pick the Hulk

Originally posted by Cogito
Was expecting you to pick the Hulk What makes u say that!?

Your name

Originally posted by TheHulk
What makes u say that!?
Look at your username.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Look at your username. So Your Bias To People Because Of Thier Username....

Originally posted by TheHulk
So Your Bias To People Because Of Thier Username.... Bias is the wrong word brah

Originally posted by TheHulk
So Your Bias To People Because Of Thier Username....
I was just a little bit shocked. Usually hulk fans don't like superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was just a little bit shocked. Usually hulk fans don't like superman.

I like Superman.