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Magic
Frenzy
Dazzler
Siryn
Storm
Magma
Rachel Summers

vs.

Raven
Wondergirl
Solstice
Starfire
Terra
Dove
Ravager

Magik locks them all up in Limbo.

Magik teleports all their heads off without the need to go to limbo.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zjoxN7sI1rrslrmo1_500.png

here she teleports a limb of Magus off. he was holding the starjammers ship) Magus is a being capable of ripping stars in half....Binary was here and her bolts weren't doing anything to Magus or Sym.

I know raven can teleport but i don't think she opens and closes portals. I haven't seen her use her porting in this manner.

if morals are on well, the limbo route is the way to go....and the soul sword will be useful against donna and raven

titans.

Dropping Raven in Limbo is probably not the best idea. Her very presence in other dimensions rips apart reality.

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/raven1.jpg

That is, of course, assuming that she doesn't simply nullify being transported through obscure magic, as seen here:

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_NewTeenTitans005-18.jpg

She has also demonstrated combat-based teleporting in her new body, pretty much the same thing Magik does. The soul-self functions as her "stepping disk."

Storm has a glass jaw and would quickly be downed by Starfire or Cassie leaving only Magik and Rachel to do anything. With Rachel's history trying to read Logan's mind, I'm gunna go ahead and say Rachel tries to telepathically assault Raven and gets her own mind fried out of her brain. Magik is a wild card, but I don't think she can take Raven anywhere she doesn't want to be - and Limbo is where she stands the best chance.

The soul sword would probably cut the soul self, though, and that would definitely down Raven. The two are probably an even match unless Raven really lets go, and she doesn't really need to because her teammates have crazy blasting power, combat training, flight, and strength to back her up. Starfire would wreck all of the fodder (Magma, Storm, Siryn, Dazzler) and Cassie's lasso is likely the key to defeating Magik right off the bat.

Magik has displayed all sorts of powers and has gone up against hell lords. she tore mercury ( made of liquid metal) apart, lit iceman on fire.

She can manipulate matter: she recreates the masion with a thought.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2124521-magik13.jpg

She can manipulate the forces of time itself. She can seal Limbo and prevent teleporters from leaving. She can go anywhere in time. or dump them at the end of time itself.

She can turn intangible or go to the astral plane:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2160062-nm15_captured.jpg

She can litter the battle field with her demon armies:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2312609-1049706_10549new_storyimage_99879427_495x7522.jpg

Scott wanted her contained and he needed all of utopia to do it.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2310167-16a4k6c.png

w/o piss or cis she wont be an easy target either and she can teleport blasts and objects like the lasso away.

She has enchanted armor and she teleport their guns away and teleports them straight to jail

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2309786-1565040_nm_forever_5_2.png

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2115559-illy2.jpg

raven is the key to this. When she goes down the rest of the team goes down. I think the soul sword can take care of her.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2072994-unledvdg.jpg

She has also stripped the powers of a lot of powerful people like Cloak ,the enchantress, a whole army of Dire Wraiths, etc...

sorry for all the scans...magik doesn't seem to have a respect thread and shes not a popular character

X-Ladies. A Rachel/Magik combo will be a tad bit to much for this group of Titans. Hell, Rachel's telepathy will be a major problem for the Titans.

how would magik work around the lasso?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
how would magik work around the lasso?

Ummm.. teleportation maybe?

Originally posted by Glorificus
Ummm.. teleportation maybe?

exactly: here cap throws his shield, she simply bfr's it.

She has displayed healing, metamorphing and regen too...as well as rasing the dead and making new life. honestly she has displayed all sorts of powers which is why she is usually portrayed powered down most of the time.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2160054-magik_bull.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2120947-magik.jpg

Originally posted by Glorificus Ummm.. teleportation maybe?

wouldnt she be binded by the spell? i think that hhas already been tried. plus donna is a lot faster than magik.

well she's no slouch in combat either. and in the other scan she's avoiding photon with her teleportation.

Here she takes on an entire army of the technarchy all by herself. That's a whole army of shape changing, weapons bearing mechanical creatures who can infect you with a touch: :http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2310164-new_20mutants_20no.jpg

here she is holding back cap, thor and black knight with her swordsmanship:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2124429- 1042698_secret_wars_ii_9__magik_versus_captain_ame
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She stops kitty from phasing with a magical barrier:http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2312683-2255881_cyttorak_4___uxm_542_super.png

here she is immune to empathy while she grows in size and creates magical constructs ala green lantern at the same time.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2332723-illy6.jpg

she can encase people in stone ala terra
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2343779-newxmen400006.jpg

go into a different time line to find out their weaknesses ( she did this vs shadowking)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2343783-1085225_untitled6.jpg
She really has a ton of options fully powered, porting, time travel, dimensional and matter manipulation, all sorts of spells, the soul sword, soul absorption, going astral, healing, armor, magical shields and constructs, etc..she is bascially a hell lord sorcerer supreme.

Raven can do many of those things, too, but I still don't see how she can resist the lasso. Unless she has done something similar.

well i can argue that the soul sword can cut the lasso or that the lasso wont touch her. the lasso is thrown she opens a portal and the lasso just goes into the portal. or she ports the lasso out of her hands...

she can dump her demon army to keep them occupied.

She can teleport their limbs off unlike raven she does not have to touch them or wrap around them to port them. she can port them from the safety of limbo and take limbs of there. she does not need to be anywhere near the target to port them. and she ported most of atlantis from one part of the ocean to another.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2238221-detail.jpg

I mean a fully powered Magik worries beings like these.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2153777-thecounciljn5.jpg

Yes raven is the daughter of trigon but i don't see her having the versatilty and diverse powerset magik has. and the soul sword can finish her off.

Isn't the lasso unbreakable? And how will she cut it, if she is binded by the spell?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Isn't the lasso unbreakable? And how will she cut it, if she is binded by the spell?

soul sword is supposed to negate spells and magical creatures.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2293748-ux190_magick.jpg

and what if the lasso just goes through a disc sheild? her armor also negates spells as well

Lasso can break spells, too. It does whatever Donna tells Magik to do. Donna once reverted Etrigan to Jason. Pretty powerful feat.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Lasso can break spells, too. It does whatever Donna tells Magik to do. Donna once reverted Etrigan to Jason. Pretty powerful feat.

The soul sword sliced through Archenemy. the being who tore through thousands of hell lords including surtur, nightmare, etc....

it cleansed an entire dimension of dark magic.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2332409-limbo4.jpg

and the soul sword isnt the only option. she can bfr the lasso as well or at the very least just watch it go harmlessly through a disc shield.

Yes, but there is still no answer to the lasso itself. Once she gets it around Magik, that means game over. And she will, because she's much faster and much stronger.

thats a big if.

she can stay in limbo can just slice people up with her portals on earth. she has a scrying pool which she can conjure up where she can see anywhere. she can pop into the timeline and just stab her from behind with the soul sword too arriving before the battle even starts

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2292049-illy3___copy.jpg

It's not, seeing as Magik has no defense against it.

I'd be curious if the Soul Sword could cut or negate the effects of the lasso.

I don't think she'll have a chance to use the sword, if she's under the lasso.

what is the range of the lasso? what if she opens a portal around donna's head and closes it a dimension away? magik isn't your typical teleporter she can teleport objects and people without needing to see them.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2310954-uxmen1005.jpg she teleports in saves hope, unit a super computer cant react fast enough to do anything and then time new portals and brings the e-team in perfect combat formation WITHOUT HER BEING ON THE BATTLE FIELD... This is her first port into the area. No one can beat her combat teleportation feats. the closest would be blink

She can flood the area with portals to surround her teammates with BFR shields as well.

She can make it rain demons to provide a distraction and occupy the titans.

how are you so sure that the lasso will hit magik? She evaded photon a light speeder with her teleportation and she can travel anywhere in space and time.

Wow..X-ladies.

Magick is the deal breaker here.

I disagree. Titans have more fire power. Both Raven and Donna can take Magik out or at least keep her busy. There are more top tiers on Titans side.

She tangles with super strong demons all the time. She threw around Sym someone strong enough to break adamntium. Her armor takes poundings from him as well and blasts from high powered opponents (demon lords, powerful mages, etc...)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7604/837861-untitled1_super.jpg

she owned the new x-men out of Limbo without using her teleportation powers and without the soul sword. she was severly depowered in this state.

Rockslide is superstrong, Mercury is highly resistant to magic and is very hard to put down physically since she is made of liquid metal and pixie and the soul dagger and soul sword. displaying all sorts of powers including healing and shields which mercury could by pass due to her immunity to magic. anyone with less durability then mercury would get ripped apart by that spell alone.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2312569-04qb2.jpg
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anyway il stop here im turning into a fanboy. lol It's just that magik by herself has powers on top of powers which can counter a lot of different types of people. and She has already faced powerful opponents like Magus, Enchantress, Belasco, Doctor strange, etc... and come out on top. Belasco has taken out both the x-men and the new mutants at once. But i agree Raven and donna are her biggest threats.....but i think her teleportaion, time manipulaiton and the soul sword can counter them.

sorry missed a scan
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2312570-05pa8.jpg

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yes, but there is still no answer to the lasso itself. Once she gets it around Magik, that means game over. And she will, because she's much faster and much stronger.

Well, is this DCnU Cassie Sandsmark Wonder Girl or pre-Flash Point Donna Troy?

Current Cassie's lasso syphons the souls of those it touches, so that could be a big issue for the "soul" sword.

Originally posted by Konton
Well, is this DCnU Cassie Sandsmark Wonder Girl or pre-Flash Point Donna Troy?

Current Cassie's lasso syphons the souls of those it touches, so that could be a big issue for the "soul" sword.

I am talking about pre-flashpoint. Current Wonder Girl can drain the life force out of you. And Donna doesn't exist in the DCnU yet.

Originally posted by Konton
Well, is this DCnU Cassie Sandsmark Wonder Girl or pre-Flash Point Donna Troy?

Current Cassie's lasso syphons the souls of those it touches, so that could be a big issue for the "soul" sword.

Magik herself absorbs souls all the time.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2345445-newxmensteamwezzdcp3910.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2345446-newxmensteamwezzdcp3923.jpg

It would be interesting if Magik could absorb Raven's soul self, but I doubt it. Raven can do the same, if she wanted to.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It would be interesting if Magik could absorb Raven's soul self, but I doubt it. Raven can do the same, if she wanted to.

Yup. I agree I wouldn't count on soul absorption working on Raven. It's hard to debate on qualities that are very similiar. She's the biggest threat on the dc team for me. She really is quite the powerhouse. she would be the number one target for me on that team.

Originally posted by nwg202
well she's no slouch in combat either. and in the other scan she's avoiding photon with her teleportation.

While I agree with what you said, she not avoiding Photon, she avoiding a Danger Room hologram kid version of Photon.

No matter how fast Magik thinks, she is not thinking faster then someone able to move at the speed of light.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It would be interesting if Magik could absorb Raven's soul self, but I doubt it. Raven can do the same, if she wanted to.

I think the Soul Sword might be capable of shattering the soul self, but Raven can recall her shattered ss anyway - despite severe pains.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
While I agree with what you said, she not avoiding Photon, she avoiding a Danger Room hologram kid version of Photon.

No matter how fast Magik thinks, she is not thinking faster then someone able to move at the speed of light.

Yup. rechecked that. you are right. I agree, with all her powers. a lightspeed blitz is definately the best way to deal with her. Once she gets into Limbo or amps up...all it takes is a fraction of a second. fWithout CIS or PIS she'll be hard to put down by anyone.

However her she does have the mutant ability to manipulate the forces of time itself so she could technically turn into velocidad or maybe zoom by slowing time down or stopping it. (but that's just the fanboy in me talking hehe) she can be overpowered enough as it is. She did reset the entire 616 reality though. before a powerful spell was cast..so thats got to account for something. no one outside doc strange's room remembers anything...

they played with the time stream which dealt with the primal forces and fabric of the universe.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2124406-xm8.jpg

I don't think taking away CIS/PIS helps Magik more than it does Raven, to be honest.

Originally posted by Konton
I don't think taking away CIS/PIS helps Magik more than it does Raven, to be honest.

actually both have been prophesied to usher in great destruction and damnation on a grand scale...so both unleashed at their full potential not holding back is something i can't debate about. I have no idea what they can do totaly consumed by the darkside.

Magik's biggest thing to date i guess would be the event inferno, which she could only end by controling her dark nature or risking the universe in her battle with the elder gods, which is why she is in captivity now.

Raven is the master of the nexus of all dimensions, where she can tap into the souls of all living things and it shapes to her whim. =p

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_NTT043-017.jpg

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Originally posted by Konton
Raven is the master of the nexus of all dimensions, where she can tap into the souls of all living things and it shapes to her whim. =p

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_NTT043-017.jpg

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_ntt46-005.jpghttp://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_ntt46-006.jpg

so in a jla (big 7) vs titans line up bloodlusted fight with this line up would you give it to the titans? I

im just trying to comapre magik's role in the marvel universe vs raven's in the dc universe. i find hard to compare universes to be honest. haha like their tiers. I guess raven is pretty up there....

edit

I just posted the scan of Raven defeating earth in her respect thread. It depicts the league frozen under her power.

Originally posted by Konton
I just posted the scan of Raven defeating earth in her respect thread. It depicts the league frozen under her power.

Very impressive. I guess the only counter for her would be the Soul Sword. ( I guess this battle boils down to Raven vs Magik, should be a good one)

Margali Szardos (Sorcerer Supreme) calls the sword a threat not only on the magical plane but also to the material world as well.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2303166-amanda01.jpg

and of course archenemey. Thanks to Zopzop for the scans.

he is a product of all the magic in existence.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3433/origin2.jpg

magik needs to call on all the hell lords to face him. (millions of them) all rulers from different hell dimensions.

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5261/convention2.jpg

over a billion super powerful beings and their minions attack him they are called the salvation of all creation or its down fall (umar, mephisto, pluto, hela, dormammu, etc...)
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4812/final2nh.jpg

in one second two hundered thousand die
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4862/final3s.jpg

Magik ends it with the soul sword
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7535/final10.jpg

Originally posted by Konton
Raven is the master of the nexus of all dimensions, where she can tap into the souls of all living things and it shapes to her whim. =p

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_NTT043-017.jpg

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Wow, I didn't think she was that powerful. Thanks for the scans.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Wow, I didn't think she was that powerful. Thanks for the scans.

I spent the last two/three days rereading New Teen Titans and adding to her respect thread. Characters get more debate and circulation when there are scans thrown around.

Can Raven time travel?

If she can, I can't recall her ever doing so.

Anyway here are some feats with Magiks armor since few people know about it.

She gets slashed by a giant demon bear, but instead of getting hurt she, finds her arm covered in strange armor.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356556-magik07.jpg

Tanks a punch by the super strong sym into the ground. ( The soul sword is also capable of creating monsters)
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356477-29cd7d806f257e120c5d3843cf2503f5.jpg

Her armor morphs and protects her from her Sword
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356480-8143feff667b372ce0674f1450815d37.jpg

It protects her from the transmode virus
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356544-8b8cfc61c79dc0f8217783c0a49dbff8.jpg

she then gets pissed of and manhandles sym and threatens to destroy someone who is basically unkillable...
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356545-0f8e4782ea858555d5f739f8e9093fac.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356551-002b0f1aeec45702d30290132ec41d95.jpg

some other porting feats. She opens a giant portal over new york.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356481-1997225ae3da386d05aae04a15e4e449.jpg

brings hell to earth, the empire state building keeps growing, inanimate objects spring to life and attack people
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356483-nm71pg17.jpg

examples of her manipulating all of reality in Limbo
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356565-1922678_magikresistbackfirespell_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356564-limbo5.jpg

Belasco and her can copy places on earth and recreate it in Limbo
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2356568-limbo3.jpg

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_ttv3nbr46pg9.jpg

Raven might be able to pull out Magik's demonic side.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
nwg, you might as well give it up

i've noticed you have a lot of scans btw

no matter how impressive marvel chars may be, they'll never be able to compete with DC

plus the DC girls are sexier in EVERY way

sorry man, titans ftw

nah, I'm just posting scans here since magik isn't a popular character and she has no respect thread. People tend to underrate her a lot. You are welcome to form your own opinion on who wins or loses.

Originally posted by Konton
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae155/dpVolacdp/th_ttv3nbr46pg9.jpg

Raven might be able to pull out Magik's demonic side.

Yup. or Magik might be able to depower her ala Enchantress and Cloak or a couple of other characters. well actually she depowerd sunspot with cloak's dark dimension powers and transfered them back to cloak.

Really tough battle between them with so many similar powers. (more like they just pull out random powers to suit the plot actually)

Magik might have an advantage in porting powers since she can go anywhere in time as well...so she might be able to trap raven in a different time period, but Raven has shown the ability to prevent herself from being ported....so again it's all debatable.

I still think the Soul Sword is the key for Magik though....

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2287793-amora1___copy.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2347443-nm23_vssunspot.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2347444-nm25_transformation.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2347450-nm25_cloakdagger.jpg

sorry double post

Overall, I'd still give the sleight majority to Titans. They are generally a little more powerful.

Well, obviously im going with the x-girls, simply because of Magik. without her the x-team is screwed...unless this is rachel w/ the pf force.( i'm assuming its not)

She has a ton of powers she can use to counter most characters without needing to touch them. She can do it from a safe distance.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2364352-2348727_emma_vs_kitty___copy.jpg

She has the soul sword for the biggest threat raven. and she can perform attacks from the safety of her dimension.

and her biggest advantage is she can time travel effortlessly. So she can affect this battle before it even starts

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108019/2366405-nm2___copy.jpg

Hey nwg, I suggest that you create a photobucket account, upload all your scans there by image leeching and create a respect thread for magik. She needs one.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey nwg, I suggest that you create a photobucket account, upload all your scans there by image leeching and create a respect thread for magik. She needs one.

yeah, well i just moved, trying to track down my old comics so i can put up better quality scans. Most of these were just of the net so most of them aren't full pages. Hopefully someone can start the ball rolling though...

ive seen a great deal of magik feats, but even she doesnt make up for the power gap. and im a fan of magik. enjoyed her mini where she faced off agaisnt archenemy.