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Hercules is granted Gladiator speed and flight. He gets to practice with his new found ability for a year.

Who wins?

Superman still has more abilities to fall back on.

Originally posted by carver9
Hercules is granted Gladiator speed and flight. He gets to practice with his new found ability for a year.

Who wins? This depowered Herc loses.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman still has more abilities to fall back on.

It should even out since Herc is a better fighter. I also don't think heat vision and ice breath would be the deciding factor.

Superman would still be generally stronger, faster and more durable unfortunately. Not by an overwhelming amount but he would be. Not to mention his other abilities...

Originally posted by Badabing
This depowered Herc loses.

I didn't think about that. D***.

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't think about that. D***. Was it something I said? innocent

Originally posted by Damborgson
Superman would still be generally stronger, faster and more durable unfortunately. Not by an overwhelming amount but he would be. Not to mention his other abilities...

The strength and durability is a wash and Superman is faster than nano second speed? Scans.

Originally posted by carver9
It should even out since Herc is a better fighter. I also don't think heat vision and ice breath would be the deciding factor.

Hercules would be better in H2H assuming he could keep it to that arena. You could certainly argue that Herc would be skilled enough to do so. But Superman's ability to use his powers pretty effectively in combat is a great asset of his.

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Oh, hell, who am I kidding? Hercules kicks his balls and gives him a double leg takedown of doom.

Originally posted by carver9
The strength and durability is a wash and Superman is faster than nano second speed? Scans.

Not really...I dont like admitting it but superman has the feats to back it up. Its not an overwhelming difference but I think its generally agreed that Superman has the edge in strength than Hercules, Thor, Gladiator, etc.

You want to get into a speed feats contest with Superman using Gladiator? No...

He could move fast enough to become intangible to others. His FTL speed feats are ridiculous.

Also: What instance are you referring to for the nanosecond speed feat by glads?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hercules would be better in H2H assuming he could keep it to that arena. You could certainly argue that Herc would be skilled enough to do so. But Superman's ability to use his powers pretty effectively in combat is a great asset of his.

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Oh, hell, who am I kidding? Hercules kicks his balls and gives him a double leg takedown of doom.



This, sir, is a good answer.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Not really...I dont like admitting it but superman has the feats to back it up. Its not an overwhelming difference but I think its generally agreed that Superman has the edge in strength than Hercules, Thor, Gladiator, etc.

You want to get into a speed feats contest with Superman using Gladiator? No...

He could move fast enough to become intangible to others. His FTL speed feats are ridiculous.

Also: What instance are you referring to for the nanosecond speed feat by glads?

Gladiator was fighting Hyperion at nano second speeds. Gladiator built a high tech computer for hours moving his limbs at Hyper speed. Gladiator also have the blur thing going...other hyper speed fts going. He have enough speed showings that proves he is a top notch speedster along with guiding himself past planets while guiding at the same time while flying at 100 Times the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator was fighting Hyperion at nano second speeds. Gladiator built a high tech computer for hours moving his limbs at Hyper speed. Gladiator also have the blur thing going...other hyper speed fts going. He have enough speed showings that proves he is a top notch speedster along with guiding himself past planets while guiding at the same time while flying at 100 Times the speed of light. Supermans track record > Gladiators not even based off quantity but quality this thread is a wash Superman wins

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator was fighting Hyperion at nano second speeds. Gladiator built a high tech computer for hours moving his limbs at Hyper speed. Gladiator also have the blur thing going...other hyper speed fts going. He have enough speed showings that proves he is a top notch speedster along with guiding himself past planets while guiding at the same time while flying at 100 Times the speed of light.

Oh he's a speedster no doubt. I'm not challenging that.

Is there something I missed about the Gladiator vs Hyperion fight then? Because I remember no such thing about nano second speed being involved. They lock arms, shoot beams at each other, then gladiator owns him with superior skill.

Gladiator has gone intangible? Pretty sure I would have heard about that before now. Not just being blurry going fast. Superman stood in place and was unable to be struck. If I'm wrong so be it.

Superman made it from the milky way galaxy to Andromeda in 10 minutes. That would more or less put him at 134X the speed of light.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh he's a speedster no doubt. I'm not challenging that.

Is there something I missed about the Gladiator vs Hyperion fight then? Because I remember no such thing about nano second speed being involved. They lock arms, shoot beams at each other, then gladiator owns him with superior skill.

Gladiator has gone intangible? Pretty sure I would have heard about that before now. Not just being blurry going fast. Superman stood in place and was unable to be struck. If I'm wrong so be it.

Superman made it from the milky way galaxy to Andromeda in 10 minutes. That would more or less put him at 134X the speed of light.

This isn't about flight because Superman and Gladiator both have amazing flight. Superman and Supergirl and Quicksilver and Northstar going intangible doesn't mean they are moving at light speed or anywhere close to it.

THIS is far more impressive.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8585/hyperspeed35nr.jpg

THIS is far more impressive.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg

THIS is more impressive.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/457/gladiatorvshyperion049nv.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/457/gladiatorvshyperion053gh.jpg/

Nano second buddy..FTL or close showings. Quantifiable as well. This is him moving his limbs at light speed...operating machinery at light speed. No Herald besides Majestic share these fts.

lol Carver, don't do this to yourself.

You don't want another repeat of the Character Ownage fiasco, do you?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol Carver, don't do this to yourself.

You don't want another repeat of the Character Ownage fiasco, do you?

Lol..nope. I'm done anyways. My point to all of this is, Gladiator is fast.

Yeah, no one's saying otherwise. Just don't act like Gladiator's faster than Superman. Because he's not.

Besides, I already solved this thread earlier.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, no one's saying otherwise. Just don't act like Gladiator's faster than Superman. Because he's not.

Besides, I already solved this thread earlier.

Naah, he isn't faster at all imo and I agree, you did a good post above on the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
This isn't about flight because Superman and Gladiator both have amazing flight. Superman and Supergirl and Quicksilver and Northstar going intangible doesn't mean they are moving at light speed or anywhere close to it.

THIS is far more impressive.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8585/hyperspeed35nr.jpg

THIS is far more impressive.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7296/hyperspeed11mv.jpg

THIS is more impressive.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/457/gladiatorvshyperion049nv.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/457/gladiatorvshyperion053gh.jpg/

Nano second buddy..FTL or close showings. Quantifiable as well. This is him moving his limbs at light speed...operating machinery at light speed. No Herald besides Majestic share these fts.

So we agree Superman is faster though right? And vibrating so fast in place you cant be touched is a feat in by itself. And not something Gladiator is capable of.

Ah so there is some mention of nano second fighting in it. Thank you.

Those.....were not particularly impressive. >_>


Gladiator says he's been going nano second speed.

Superman does it here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/511/nanoseconduf2.jpg/

If we go by caption statments then Superman is capable of racing photons: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesracingPhoton.jpg

This is also pretty good: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/86/actioncomics777p11jm5.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/actioncomics777p14qu1.jpg/

Originally posted by carver9
Lol..nope. I'm done anyways. My point to all of this is, Gladiator is fast.

I never argued he wasn't lol. But when it comes down to it, he's not superman fast.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I never argued he wasn't lol. But when it comes down to it, he's not superman fast.

OMG. What fast is that?

Originally posted by carver9
OMG. What fast is that?

Faster than gladiator.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Faster than gladiator.

Faster than nano seconds? Scans. Running at super speeds Gladiator has it...punching in a blur, Gladiator has it...being invisible, Gladiator has it, speed quotes, Gladiator has that ten folds, moving faster than people with legit speed is able to see, Gladiator has it. What more do you want?

Originally posted by carver9
Faster than nano seconds? Scans. Running at super speeds Gladiator has it...punching in a blur, Gladiator has it...being invisible, Gladiator has it, speed quotes, Gladiator has that ten folds, moving faster than people with legit speed is able to see, Gladiator has it. What more do you want?

You dont understand. Superman has entire history of Speed Feats, that are not only in quantity but in quality also.

And I already said why he's faster by a lot than Gladiators best travel speed.

Then I put this but you must not have seen it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
So we agree Superman is faster though right? And vibrating so fast in place you cant be touched is a feat in by itself. And not something Gladiator is capable of.

Ah so there is some mention of nano second fighting in it. Thank you.

Those.....were not particularly impressive. >_>


Gladiator says he's been going nano second speed.

Superman does it here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/511/nanoseconduf2.jpg/

If we go by caption statments then Superman is capable of racing photons: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesracingPhoton.jpg

This is also pretty good: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/86/actioncomics777p11jm5.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/actioncomics777p14qu1.jpg/

Those are just a few obviously. He's got plenty more feats many of which are FTL.

I'm not a superman expert, but I know enough to know that he's faster than Gladiator. You should also. I THOUGHT you did.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, no one's saying otherwise. Just don't act like Gladiator's faster than Superman. Because he's not.

Besides, I already solved this thread earlier.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, he isn't faster at all imo and I agree, you did a good post above on the fight.



Then next thing I know...

Originally posted by Damborgson
I never argued he wasn't lol. But when it comes down to it, he's not superman fast.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG. What fast is that?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Faster than gladiator.

Originally posted by carver9
Faster than nano seconds? Scans. Running at super speeds Gladiator has it...punching in a blur, Gladiator has it...being invisible, Gladiator has it, speed quotes, Gladiator has that ten folds, moving faster than people with legit speed is able to see, Gladiator has it. What more do you want?

so which is it? Are you arguing gladiator is faster than him or not?

I'm arguing that they are on the same level except Gladiator hyper speed ft is better than anything you've shown me so far. You also haven't shown me anything that proves he is faster than a nano second. Superman has more showings than Glads but EVERY appearance Glads has been in displayed speed and when I say every, I literally mean every.

How can someone be faster than another person if they don't have showings faster than a nano second. You bringing up space flight, not helping since Gladiator has flown from one end of the universe to the other with no issues at all in a couple of panels...everyone has done this. Pure speed, they are pretty much equals unless again you can show me Superman>nano second speed ft.

Also, the scan you showed me of Superman going nano speeds is different than mine. He is flying at those speeds, Gladiator is combating at those speeds. See the difference.

My bad, everything you showed me was flight.

They're both speedsters but don't pretend that in a competition of seeing whos faster that Gladiator would be able to keep up.

What the one where he says he's been going hyperspeed? I already put one of Superman going faster than nano seconds. He had a nano second to respond before the explosion and he did it before the nano second was up.

Yes he does lol. That was only one of them. I dont have a plethora of superman scans but its no the only one.

So? Superman has also. But I have the quantifiable feat of flying to the next galaxy which takes apart Gladiators quantifiable feat.

Whos everyone?

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
They're both speedsters but don't pretend that in a competition of seeing whos faster that Gladiator would be able to keep up.

What the one where he says he's been going hyperspeed? I already put one of Superman going faster than nano seconds. He had a nano second to respond before the explosion and he did it before the nano second was up.

Yes he does lol. That was only one of them. I dont have a plethora of superman scans but its no the only one.

So? Superman has also. But I have the quantifiable feat of flying to the next galaxy which takes apart Gladiators quantifiable feat.

Whos everyone?

The scan is a nano second ft and its flight. Everything you've shown me is different than what I have shown you.

If you want flight, Gladiator has flown 100 Times that speed of light. That's greater than nano second. Flights out of the way.

Combat speed.

Blitzing fist.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4397/gladpower26gw.jpg

Reflexes...

Moving his limbs at FTL speed...his entire body and he did it for hours.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8585/hyperspeed35nr.jpg

More reflexes.

Instantly ties Cannonball up in a metal pole.

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8432/gladiatorvscannonball41tu.jpg

Reflexes again.

Punching at FTL speeds.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/457/gladiatorvshyperion049nv.jpg/

Reflexes=FTL.

Flight speed=FTL.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, the scan you showed me of Superman going nano speeds is different than mine. He is flying at those speeds, Gladiator is combating at those speeds. See the difference.

So you want speed feats of Superman fighting beyond nano second level? Fair enough. I'll rustle up all the scans you'd like tomorrow.

It's late where I'm at and I have a test in Chemistry tomorrow so I need to catch some Z's. That said, I will be here tomorrow so we can continue.

Originally posted by carver9
My bad, everything you showed me was flight.

yeah and they trump anything gladiator has done in that field.

Another speed feat for Superman is when he traveled from the Vega Galaxy to Earth in 10 minutes. Which is about 25.3 light years away from us. Equal to around 133 million times the speed of light. I think I may have gotten the 100 minutes of this one mixed up with he andromeda one.

Alright be back tomorrow so we can finish this.

If you like the pretty colors while moving at super speed, he has that too...


http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-021.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-022.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-023.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-024.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
The scan is a nano second ft and its flight. Everything you've shown me is different than what I have shown you.

If you want flight, Gladiator has flown 100 Times that speed of light. That's greater than nano second. Flights out of the way.

Combat speed.

Blitzing fist.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4397/gladpower26gw.jpg

Reflexes...

Moving his limbs at FTL speed...his entire body and he did it for hours.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8585/hyperspeed35nr.jpg

More reflexes.

Instantly ties Cannonball up in a metal pole.

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8432/gladiatorvscannonball41tu.jpg

Reflexes again.

Punching at FTL speeds.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/457/gladiatorvshyperion049nv.jpg/

Reflexes=FTL.

Flight speed=FTL.


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Oh man this going to be fun lol. Now that you've put non quantifiable blitzzes in their this will be even more one sided. Cya tomorrow.

Originally posted by Damborgson
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Oh man this going to be fun lol. Now that you've put non quantifiable blitzzes in their this will be even more one sided. Cya tomorrow.

Originally posted by carver9
If you like the pretty colors while moving at super speed, he has that too...


http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-021.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-022.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-023.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WOK03-024.jpg

You're starting to sound a bit frustrated lol. You're digging your grave buddy.

Originally posted by Damborgson
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Oh man this going to be fun lol. Now that you've put non quantifiable blitzzes in their this will be even more one sided. Cya tomorrow.

Lol...the blurry fist was for fun. The reflexes at ftl speed and the flight at ftl are legit. Have a good night buddy.

Getting into any kind of debate involving Gladiator vs Superman and coming down on the side of Glads means you already lost the debate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
100 times lightspeed, eh?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/CaptUniverseInvisibleWomanpg18.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/CaptUniverseInvisibleWomanpg19.jpg
dur

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Getting into any kind of debate involving Gladiator vs Superman and coming down on the side of Glads means you already lost the debate.

Bring it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
dur

You know I can post Superman admitting on panel that he can't achieve light speed right? I'm not even going to go there.

Originally posted by carver9
You know I can post Superman admitting on panel that he can't achieve light speed right? I'm not even going to go there.

Even though he has exceeded lightspeed multiple times? Lowballing....

Originally posted by iceman24567
Even though he has exceeded lightspeed multiple times? Lowballing....

So he wasn't lowballing when he posted that scan? Gotcha.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/lendsupli.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
So he wasn't lowballing when he posted that scan? Gotcha.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/lendsupli.jpg
He said "I am not faster than light". Which is quite different than saying that you can't fly to california from newyork unless you're massively amped and even then you take two minutes at your full amped speed to reach there. Byrne superman flew around the world in a few seconds.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He said "I am not faster than light". Which is quite different than saying that you can't fly to california from newyork unless you're massively amped and even then you take two minutes at your full amped speed to reach there. Byrne superman flew around the world in a few seconds.

Low showing for both. It took both Superman and Wonder Woman 2 minutes to fly across the U.S to meet the other JLA members during a race...low showing since we both know they can fly much faster than that.

I think they were flying to the rock of eternity, can't remember but I know it took them some minutes to do so.

Originally posted by carver9
Low showing for both. It took both Superman and Wonder Woman 2 minutes to fly across the U.S to meet the other JLA members during a race...low showing since we both know they can fly much faster than that. Originally posted by carver9
I think they were flying to the rock of eternity, can't remember but I know it took them some minutes to do so.
You are trying to lie again.

doh at the idiocy in here

Superman vs Impulse

They are going so fast that Impulse cannot perceive they are not longer in USA

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/OUTRACES%20IMPULSE/th_IMPULSE47VSOUTRACESIMPULSE.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/OUTRACES%20IMPULSE/th_IMPULSE47VSOUTRACESIMPULSE2.jpg, http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/INSANE%20FEATS/OUTRACES%20IMPULSE/th_IMPULSE47VSOUTRACESIMPULSE3.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are trying to lie again.

I forgot to put IIRC... I'm looking for the scan now.

Originally posted by carver9
I forgot to put IIRC... I'm looking for the scan now.
Ok, I was wrong. You are lying again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, I was wrong. You are lying again.

Lol...do you want me to find the scan or what? Stop trippin.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...do you want me to find the scan or what? Stop trippin.
Go ahead, I would've known any low showing such as this. So you're lying again.

Eventhough Herc got an amp in speed, still is still slower and still much much weaker than Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Go ahead, I would've known any low showing such as this. So you're lying again.

Sigh*

Originally posted by carver9
So he wasn't lowballing when he posted that scan? Gotcha.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/lendsupli.jpg You seriously believe Superman can't go lightspeed? You sad man

Originally posted by Diesldude
Eventhough Herc got an amp in speed, still is still slower and still much much weaker than Superman.

Lowballing like usual.

Originally posted by carver9
Lowballing like usual. Hypocrite

Originally posted by iceman24567
Hypocrite

Lol...I don't low ball.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I don't low ball. Except you do all the time

God damn it, Carver

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh* Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, I was wrong. You are lying again.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Except you do all the time l

Lol...no I don't. If anything, I high ball.

Jake, I didn't start any of this. People need to just leave me be and let methink what I want to think.

Originally posted by carver9
l

Lol...no I don't. If anything, I high ball.

Jake, I didn't start any of this. People need to just leave me be and let methink what I want to think. You need to grow up

Originally posted by abhilegend


You win. DA**. I don't have A way of backing my claim up because I can't find the scans at the moment. Thumbs up to you.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You need to grow up

Iceman, why are we against each other tonight. Majority of the time, we are on the same side.

Originally posted by carver9
You win. DA**. I don't have A way of backing my claim up because I can't find the scans at the moment. Thumbs up to you.
I always win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I always win.



Nu uh.

Originally posted by carver9
Iceman, why are we against each other tonight. Majority of the time, we are on the same side. You just accused somebody of lowballing while being a lowballer yourself i was just making sure you knew that you were being a hypocrite

Originally posted by iceman24567
You just accused somebody of lowballing while being a lowballer yourself i was just making sure you knew that you were being a hypocrite

I wanted him to feel his pain because he lowballed Gladiator but it seems like my intentions didn't help. Can we just shake hands buddy? I don't feel like mud stomping you tonight.

Originally posted by carver9
I wanted him to feel his pain because he lowballed Gladiator but it seems like my intentions didn't help. Can we just shake hands buddy? I don't feel like mud stomping you tonight. Then this stupid fake superior bs you have never stomped anybody or ever won a single debate of worth give it a rest crazy

Originally posted by iceman24567
Then this stupid fake superior bs you have never stomped anybody or ever won a single debate of worth give it a rest crazy

Lol...so you are mad? Is this what you are telling me? We are off topic. I'll holla at you all later, have A good one buddy.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so you are mad? Is this what you are telling me? We are off topic. I'll holla at you all later, have A good one buddy. You are just delusional i don't know if KMC has rules against mentally insane members but they should

This little tiff between estranged lovers was kind of hot in a pathetic and sad way but now it's just getting stupid. Please stop.

Also Jake was right on the money with his post. Sweaty dick punching all day.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You are just delusional i don't know if KMC has rules against mentally insane members but they should