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Ultimate evil lurking under the sea was done by H.P. Lovecraft first in 1928, you god damned plagiarist!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is satan's headquarters or base of operation for his kingdom of darkness under the sea?

I believe that it is.

But it is a spiritual city...

...

http://www.insightsofgod.com/waterspiritkingdom.html

http://www.insightsofgod.com/spiritual_warfare.html

i always wondered why god would make a point of killing all those whales and shit in revelation

Perhaps the greatest drawback of religious belief is that it wastes so much time and cognitive energy.

Satans Headquarters? There is not such person. Not even the writers of the bible stated that there was a satan. I mean the Jews. They knew what they were talking about, I believe, in their own way and there was NOT some satan. lol...people

Satan is proud but God demands you believe in him, do as he says, celebrate him and not question his wisdom...What the hell does Satan do, then?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Perhaps the greatest drawback of religious belief is that it wastes so much time and cognitive energy.

...then again, the cognitive energy that comes up with watery kingdoms for Satan might have a hard time finding practical use elsewhere. Still, it's a good observation, and a clear deterrent from religion imo.

I have suspected, as King Kandy speculated, that Satan isn't a bad guy but is only fulfilling a role. Satan may actually be a good "guy".

Love the title. Didn't read anything else but great stuff.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have suspected, as King Kandy speculated, that Satan isn't a bad guy but is only fulfilling a role. Satan may actually be a good "guy".

A patsy Christians used to pin evils on. I personally feel bad for the character, it's tragic.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is satan's headquarters or base of operation for his kingdom of darkness under the sea?...

No!

But lets pretend:

Top 5 things that would happen if Satan's had a secret base under the sea.

5. The song Under The Sea would take on a totally different meaning.

4. James Cameron would interview Satan on his next Titanic special.

3. Jacques Cousteau would be appointed ambassador to hell.

2. Deep sea divers would become possessed.

1. New hit movie; USOs verses Demons, would hit the local theaters.

Wouldnt he need an oxygen mask? Well it only makes since because the UFOs are really demons and they seem to need ships to parole the Earth.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No!

But lets pretend:

Top 5 things that would happen if Satan's had a secret base under the sea.

5. The song Under The Sea would take on a totally different meaning.

4. James Cameron would interview Satan on his next Titanic special.

3. Jacques Cousteau would be appointed ambassador to hell.

2. Deep sea divers would become possessed.

1. New hit movie; USOs verses Demons, would hit the local theaters.

You speak absolutely and confidently.

Can you substantiate your disbelief about where satan's headquarters is located? I know that at this time I cannot.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You speak absolutely and confidently.

Can you substantiate your disbelief about where satan's headquarters is located? I know that at this time I cannot.

Satan is a directive of the Greek god Hades. I thought you didn't believe in Greek gods.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Satan is a directive of the Greek god Hades. I thought you didn't believe in Greek gods.

Directive?

I don't follow what you mean.

Can you elaborate or explain?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Directive?

I don't follow what you mean.

Can you elaborate or explain?

Sorry, wrong word (damn spell checker).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Satan is derived from the Greek god Hades. I thought you didn't believe in Greek gods.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Satan is a directive of the Greek god Hades. I thought you didn't believe in Greek gods.

I don't believe so. The name hades has nothing to do with satan. In Greek mythology hades was the ancient Greek god of the underworld (or dead).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't believe so. The name hades has nothing to do with satan. In Greek mythology hades was the ancient Greek god of the underworld (or dead).

And were did he live, and what was his powers?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And were did he live, and what was his powers?

The devil does not live in Hades.

Again, they are not talking about the same person.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The devil does not live in Hades.

Again, they are not talking about the same person.

You didn't answer my question.

Look it up...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You didn't answer my question.

Look it up...

The devil is never referred to as the god of the dead or underworld so he is not one and the same with hades, who--according to ancient Greek mythology--is called the god of the dead or underworld.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The devil is never referred to as the god of the dead or underworld so he is not one and the same with hades, who--according to ancient Greek mythology--is called the god of the dead or underworld.

You still didn't answer my question.

Where did Hades live, and what was his power?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You still didn't answer my question.

Where did Hades live, and what was his power?

I don't know.

But it doesn't matter because hades is not the devil.

Apples and oranges.

Hades = Greek mythology

Satan = Hebrew mythology

Every different kind of mythology has it's own version of a ruler of the realm of the dead/underworld/place for punishment.

To be honest, Hades' realm of the underworld had both Elysium, the Greek mythological "Heaven", and Tartarus, the realm of eternal torment.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't know.

But it doesn't matter because hades is not the devil.

My point is that they are both equally man made. You choose to believe in one and not the other because of your culture. If you were a Greek living thousands of years ago, you would have believed in Hades. Therefore, they serve the same function, and are the same. Details have changed because of cultural differences.

I believe these ideas keep appearing over time, because we keep being born again and again.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My point is that they are both equally man made. You choose to believe in one and not the other because of your culture. If you were a Greek living thousands of years ago, you would have believed in Hades. Therefore, they serve the same function, and are the same. Details have changed because of cultural differences.

I believe these ideas keep appearing over time, because we keep being born again and again.

No. Hades is not described as an anointed cherub, lucifer, satan, accuser, tempter, father of lies, who walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

In fact, the devil is called the ruler of this (corrupt) world (system), god of this age, prince of the power of the air, great dragon, serpent of old, wicked one.

In Greek mythology hades is simply the god of the dead/underworld despite language and cultural differences.

That's it.

Hence, they could not be one and the same person.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No. Hades is not described as an anointed cherub, lucifer, satan, accuser, tempter, father of lies, who walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

In fact, the devil is called the ruler of this (corrupt) world (system), god of this age, prince of the power of the air, great dragon, serpent of old, wicked one.

In Greek mythology hades is simply the god of the dead/underworld despite language and cultural differences.

That's it.

Hence, they could not be one and the same person.

They are not one in the same person, but they are one in the same creation. In other words, they are both personifications of the same aspect of humanity.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
They are not one in the same person, but they are one in the same creation. In other words, they are both personifications of the same aspect of humanity.

No.

Actually one is simply mythologoical (i.e. hades) and the other is a real, malevolent spirit who operates in the spirit realm whose purpose is to steal, kill, and destroy because he hates God (i.e. satan).

You make me LOL, JIA.

Thank you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No.

Actually one is simply mythologoical (i.e. hades) and the other is a real, malevolent spirit who operates in the spirit realm whose purpose is to steal, kill, and destroy because he hates God (i.e. satan).

They are both mythological to me. How do I pick? They are both equally absurd.

Originally posted by Impediment
You make me LOL, JIA.

Thank you. Glad to hear that Impediment.

How are you doing?

yup its under the sea alright...

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/polls/722000/722576_1305905340238_full.jpg

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
human sacrifice,

Wait, wait wait wait...Isn't Christianity's main point of a human sacrifice? Or God becoming a man to make the sacrifice.

Jesus WAS the human sacrifice. How do you blame devil for this...?

I read the thread title, and thought of that little mermaid song.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Wait, wait wait wait...Isn't Christianity's main point of a human sacrifice? Or God becoming a man to make the sacrifice.

Jesus WAS the human sacrifice. How do you blame devil for this...?

Human sacrifice is evil.

Satan is not real!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=5#post14508899

So, you agree that satan is not real.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583890&pagenumber=2#post14438942

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=5#post14508899

JIA just post links if you agree that satan is not real.

THE CITY UNDER THE SEA!

http://hd.wallpaperswide.com/thumbs/bioshock_rapture-t2.jpg

What is really strange is that in the Lotus Sutra there is mention of a Dragon King who lives under the sea. I wonder if Christianity took that idea from Buddhism without realizing that it was only a metaphor?

Christianity co-opted so much from other religions it's a wonder any of it is recognizable at this point. Even the 'Golden Rule' predates Christianity by a thousand years or so.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is really strange is that in the Lotus Sutra there is mention of a Dragon King who lives under the sea. I wonder if Christianity took that idea from Buddhism without realizing that it was only a metaphor?

Told you the devil had an underwater city.



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587086.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=7#post14512113

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510871 (click here if you can handle the Truth)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510888

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587049.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510387#post14510387

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510685#post14510685

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510714

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510772

The dragon king is not the devil. The dragon king is not real.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The dragon king is not the devil. The dragon king is not real.

But the devil is real.



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587086.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=7#post14512113

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510871 (click here if you can handle the Truth)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510888

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587049.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510387#post14510387

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510685#post14510685

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510714

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510772

Personifications are not real.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Personifications are not real.


You've been lied to.



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587086.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=7#post14512113

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510871 (click here if you can handle the Truth)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510888

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587049.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510387#post14510387

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510685#post14510685

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510714

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510772

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You've been lied to.

I will not hold it against you.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Christianity co-opted so much from other religions it's a wonder any of it is recognizable at this point. Even the 'Golden Rule' predates Christianity by a thousand years or so.

Can you be more specific?

Golden Rule? There's no such animal.

Treating people the way you wish to be treated, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is not a golden rule--it's common sense.

Lord Jesus was teaching us common sense.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you be more specific?

Golden Rule? There's no such animal.

Treating people the way you wish to be treated, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is not a golden rule--it's common sense.

Lord Jesus was teaching us common sense.

If you've spent your entire life using confirmation bias to just find things that verify what you already believe and excluding anything that doesn't, you won't ever know anything else. In the age of the internet, this is a selective and willful ignorance. In this case, I brought up that the Golden Rule is not unique to Jesus; you've attempted semantics by saying it is 'mere common sense' without doing any research on your own part or even being aware of the evidence in my favor.

Even the most basic of Google searches can show you that this "common sense" concept predates Christianity, and it's not the only idea to do so. There is a concept known as syncretism that explains why Christianity is neither pure nor more accurate than any other religious worldviews, since it is altered or modified slightly to make it more appealing to new converts throughout history. This is why the Assumption of Mary is actually a converted ritual to Isis, or Christmas owes some of its traditions to both Germanic pagans and Roman Saturnalia. Even Jesus' more benevolent practices following the Golden Rule are not unique to Christianity and were probably co-opted at some point.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
If you've spent your entire life using confirmation bias to just find things that verify what you already believe and excluding anything that doesn't, you won't ever know anything else. In the age of the internet, this is a selective and willful ignorance. In this case, I brought up that the Golden Rule is not unique to Jesus; you've attempted semantics by saying it is 'mere common sense' without doing any research on your own part or even being aware of the evidence in my favor.

Even the most basic of Google searches can show you that this "common sense" concept predates Christianity, and it's not the only idea to do so. There is a concept known as syncretism that explains why Christianity is neither pure nor more accurate than any other religious worldviews, since it is altered or modified slightly to make it more appealing to new converts throughout history. This is why the Assumption of Mary is actually a converted ritual to Isis, or Christmas owes some of its traditions to both Germanic pagans and Roman Saturnalia. Even Jesus' more benevolent practices following the Golden Rule are not unique to Christianity and were probably co-opted at some point.

I'm trying to tell you that the "golden rule" is not a Christian concept.

It's just plain old common sense.

You're the one referring to it as a golden rule, and as a Christian concept--when it is not.

The assumption of Mary?

This is not Christian doctrine.

I think you are confusing heretical, untenable, unscriptural Catholic doctrine with Christianity.

They are as different as night and day.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The golden rule is not a Christian concept.

Incorrect. I have demonstrated that the concept and expected practices comes directly from the scriptures. In two examples, no less.



Semantic nonsense. If I kill someone but call it the art of kumbai, it is not automatically something different; it is still killing. Don't muddy the waters in an attempt to hide the fact here.



Where in the scripture does God or Jesus use the term "common sense"? Are you even aware of what semantics are?



The concepts are identical. See above. The art of kumbai is something I made up just now, and it is synonymous with killing. It is not more or less valid than killing if the act which it describes is identical in form and nature. Your attempt at semantic failure makes me wonder how you can even comprehend something as large and complex as the Bible.



Again, this is the Age of Information. Your inability to take sixty seconds before you hit reply and educate yourself is not my failing but yours.



This is ridiculous. I can see why you rely heavily on youtube videos and links to prior arguments, because you cannot actually differentiate between abstract concepts like "common sense", "golden rule" and "semantics".



http://www.tjburdick.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/christiancatholicjpg.jpg

http://www.otnblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/cool-story-bro-house-Cool-Story-Bro.jpg

Your signature should better preface which Christians are legit, so they can immediately be aware of your dismissive attitude.



Comically missing the point.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Incorrect. I have demonstrated that the concept and expected practices comes directly from the scriptures. In two examples, no less.



Semantic nonsense. If I kill someone but call it the art of kumbai, it is not automatically something different; it is still killing. Don't muddy the waters in an attempt to hide the fact here.



Where in the scripture does God or Jesus use the term "common sense"? Are you even aware of what semantics are?



The concepts are identical. See above. The art of kumbai is something I made up just now, and it is synonymous with killing. It is not more or less valid than killing if the act which it describes is identical in form and nature. Your attempt at semantic failure makes me wonder how you can even comprehend something as large and complex as the Bible.



Again, this is the Age of Information. Your inability to take sixty seconds before you hit reply and educate yourself is not my failing but yours.



This is ridiculous. I can see why you rely heavily on youtube videos and links to prior arguments, because you cannot actually differentiate between abstract concepts like "common sense", "golden rule" and "semantics".



http://www.tjburdick.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/christiancatholicjpg.jpg

http://www.otnblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/cool-story-bro-house-Cool-Story-Bro.jpg

Your signature should better preface which Christians are legit, so they can immediately be aware of your dismissive attitude.



Comically missing the point.

Now you are contradicting yourself.

You said that the concept of the golden rule predates Christianity, and in the next breath you claim that,

the concept and expected practices comes directly from the scriptures.

Which is it?

You can't have your cake and eat it too (another man-made expression that makes no sense).



Christian is not a synonym for Catholic or vice versa.

Besides, names or labels don't characterize or define Christianity--the doctrine and teaching of Jesus Christ (as recorded in the pages of Scripture) is what defines Christianity.

Not to mention the belief systems, and practices of a particular group come into play when trying to differentiate one from the other.

Catholic doctrine completely contradicts the Bible.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Now you are contradicting yourself.

You said that the concept of the golden rule predates Christianity, and in the next breath you claim that,
the concept and expected practices comes directly from the scriptures.

Which is it?

You can't have your cake and eat it too (another man-made expression that makes no sense).

Seriously, that latter quote is easily understood by anyone on a truly adult thinking level. It means "you cannot have a contradiction", for if you eat the cake, it is gone, and you can't thereby enjoy it's existence.

Sorry, I had to address that first since you're the first individual who can I assume legally drive that didn't understand the saying and didn't bother to look it up if the former were true.

Second, you're attempting to twist my words in an attempt to make me look contradictory, when I've been as clear as a bell the whole time. I even requoted my exact stance for you twice now. I said, the Golden Rule (or whatever you want to call the same idea in Jesus-speak, Space-tongue, or Esperanto, etc.) is a Christian concept that is likely co-opted or borrowed from earlier religions that demonstrated the same idea. I even linked you to a page that describes these examples, which I assume you didn't click on because that might actually involve you having to believe I have a point.

The rest is you just being dense. Again, I should not have to work extra hard to reason with you when you are clearly unwilling to use reason in the debate. You've more or less shot down any opposition to your absolute arguments because you think you have your thumb on the pulse of Truth. Then you tell me other people who use the same source as yourself are wrong, because they don't interpret like you do, and aren't Christian. Just wow, JIA.



Catholics follow the OT/NT and traditions and dogma handed down from Christians and followers of Christ for nearly two centuries. For you to dismiss them as "not Christian" is the boldest thing you've claimed. If I said "all non-Catholics are heretics", I would hope someone else would take note and expect me to explain myself to their satisfaction.



But they characterize or define the Golden Rule. Gotta love them semantics.



And is the basis for nearly all Christian faiths, including Catholicism. I don't see your point.



Prove up. I expect you to demonstrate which Catholic practices or teachings contradict the Bible. You have made this bold assertion, and now the burden of proof is on you to explain how this is so.

Of course, the word tolerance isn't in the Bible either, is it?

@Stealth Moose
I bet you never thought you would be defending Catholics.

Yeah, it is a bit of irony, but the point remains that his claim is just outrageous. Even as a non-Catholic, I find it completely off-base.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Seriously, that latter quote is easily understood by anyone on a truly adult thinking level. It means "you cannot have a contradiction", for if you eat the cake, it is gone, and you can't thereby enjoy it's existence.

Sorry, I had to address that first since you're the first individual who can I assume legally drive that didn't understand the saying and didn't bother to look it up if the former were true.

Second, you're attempting to twist my words in an attempt to make me look contradictory, when I've been as clear as a bell the whole time. I even requoted my exact stance for you twice now. I said, the Golden Rule (or whatever you want to call the same idea in Jesus-speak, Space-tongue, or Esperanto, etc.) is a Christian concept that is likely co-opted or borrowed from earlier religions that demonstrated the same idea. I even linked you to a page that describes these examples, which I assume you didn't click on because that might actually involve you having to believe I have a point.

The rest is you just being dense. Again, I should not have to work extra hard to reason with you when you are clearly unwilling to use reason in the debate. You've more or less shot down any opposition to your absolute arguments because you think you have your thumb on the pulse of Truth. Then you tell me other people who use the same source as yourself are wrong, because they don't interpret like you do, and aren't Christian. Just wow, JIA.



Catholics follow the OT/NT and traditions and dogma handed down from Christians and followers of Christ for nearly two centuries. For you to dismiss them as "not Christian" is the boldest thing you've claimed. If I said "all non-Catholics are heretics", I would hope someone else would take note and expect me to explain myself to their satisfaction.



But they characterize or define the Golden Rule. Gotta love them semantics.



And is the basis for nearly all Christian faiths, including Catholicism. I don't see your point.



Prove up. I expect you to demonstrate which Catholic practices or teachings contradict the Bible. You have made this bold assertion, and now the burden of proof is on you to explain how this is so.

Of course, the word tolerance isn't in the Bible either, is it?

I'm not trying to twist anything.

Sigh. Golden rule for the umpteenth time is not a Christian concept.

Man made up that terminology.

Man dubbed what Jesus said "the golden rule".

Hence, man (myself) can ignore that unbiblical description.

It is the Word of God--not the golden rule.

Nonetheless, your claim is that the practice--based on the term under discussion--was co-opted.

I didn't know that common sense needed predating, and/or co-opting (this is the point that you are not grasping).

That's like saying that since I think people should not vomit on other people because it's disgusting and messy, that somehow I co-opted that opinion from someone else.

No, that's just plain old common sense Stealth Moose.

I don't care how many people believed the same as me with regard to not vomiting on people, or how many centuries said opinion is predated, that doesn't mean that I co-opted it--because it's common sense.



No, Catholics follow a whole lot of things that do not accord with the Bible.

For example, Christians DO NOT venerate Mary, we do not believe that she is still a virgin, we do not pray to Mary, we do not pray to dead saints, worship statues, confess our sins to priests, pray The Rosary, believe the Eucharist becomes the literal body of Jesus Christ, practice penance in the Catholic sense (but we do confess our sins to God according to 1 John 1:9, and our trespasses to one another according to James 5:16 if we sin against someone), we do not recognize the Apocrypha as the Word of God, we do not believe in Purgatory, etc.

These are just some of the differences between Christianity and Catholicism.

I REALLY hope you made this thread after you were banned, JIA. Because you are doing the exact same thing that you were banned for

You're linking to your own posts repeatedly.
Some posts are JUST links.

This = SPAMMING.

Also, attempting to shove things down other people's throats without any kind of discussion or debate is not only wrong, it's just mean.

I hope other people are noticing this as well. I really do.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
I REALLY hope you made this thread after you were banned, JIA. Because you are doing the exact same thing that you were banned for

You're linking to your own posts repeatedly.
Some posts are JUST links.

This = SPAMMING.

Also, attempting to shove things down other people's throats without any kind of discussion or debate is not only wrong, it's just mean.

I hope other people are noticing this as well. I really do.

I have not posted just links since being banned, so what are you talking about?

Maybe you should check out page three of this thread. Two posts have nothing but links. Three posts have one sentence, and then nothing but links.

There. I proved it to you.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Maybe you should check out page three of this thread. Two posts have nothing but links. Three posts have one sentence, and then nothing but links.

There. I proved it to you.

JIA is in rehab.

Liars Anonymous?

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Liars Anonymous?

Linkers anonymous.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Maybe you should check out page three of this thread. Two posts have nothing but links. Three posts have one sentence, and then nothing but links.

There. I proved it to you.

Siriuswriter, this thread was created a year and a half a go (May 7th, 2012).

Like I said, I have not posted just links since being banned.

I think an apology is in order.

Then I apologize. It's very hard for me to communicate with you when you are just so unbending, and it seems you refuse to think about anything that anyone else presents to you. I am frustrated very easily when people don't have an open mind or heart - it seems like they cling to what they believe for pure stubbornness.

It would probably be a good idea for me to be a silent watcher in these threads for a while.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Then I apologize. It's very hard for me to communicate with you when you are just so unbending, and it seems you refuse to think about anything that anyone else presents to you. I am frustrated very easily when people don't have an open mind or heart - it seems like they cling to what they believe for pure stubbornness.

It would probably be a good idea for me to be a silent watcher in these threads for a while.

You're forgiven.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You're forgiven.



Remember, you were the person banned.

banned

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I'm not trying to twist anything.

Just strawmanning and using semantics to avoid directly answering my posts.



You know what I think of people who have to visibly sigh on a message board?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ENihAU6Sm3c/T3Ki0uEIXrI/AAAAAAAABs4/QBHjfk_s2i0/s1600/pretentious.jpg



I demonstrated that the term "Golden Rule" is irrelevant because as you yourself once admitted (but seem to avoid applying consistently) that labels themselves do not change the things which they describe. The English term Golden Rule does not mean anything in ancient Babylonia, in ancient Persia, or in ancient India; I would be an utter fool to assume that because the term itself was not used, it has no precursor or equivalent in these times, especially when history has proven that this is the case.

You can ignore whatever doesn't fit your worldview, but that doesn't make it go away.



Seemingly. If I had to add a word to avoid a binding, absolute judgment, that would be my only addition; seemingly co-opted. It seems likely, given that the idea existed in many world religions prior. And I doubt Jesus lived in a bubble without exposure.



This is some sophistry you have going on here. You've arbitrarily claimed that Jesus just taught 'common sense' or sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts and that the Golden Rule (or again, if you have to be obstinate about it, whatever the term was in Language X, Y, or Z) simply mirrored it without connection or it's simply this evident thing all people should do and Jesus correctly told them to you know, do it.



But this has absolutely nothing to do with their identities as followers and believers of Christ. Again, people who adhere to works outside of the King James Bible can be correctly termed Christians. This includes Catholics, Gnostics, or Martians who happened upon a Christian Bible in space. Whether or not they embellish or interpret it the same way as your faith is irrelevant.



I don't know why not. She was clearly pure enough to have God's son in her womb and was with him in the end.



She gave birth to natural children after Jesus, so yeah, I'd hope not or she has the world's most ridiculous conception system going on.



Those are practice differences and traditions in the Bible, I agree. But you stated that the Catholics "completely contradict the Bible" (your words). Stating things they do besides read the Bible and integrate it into their lives doesn't prove your point, since you didn't demonstrate how these things contradict the Bible. Most of it looks like interpreted belief in Christ and his teachings, and Mary is certainly worthy of respect given her role in the NT.

Regarding Apocrypha, seriously lol. The Bible is a selective gathering of the gospels that appealed to people most during Christian persecution and was organized by and for men. God did not bring us a binder full of works to then copy for his glory. Anything that was too esoteric or too strange/inconsistent to be included in the acceptable definition of the Bible according to some people (who believed only non-Gnostic bishops had a monpoly on the truth, like Irenaeus) were omitted. I find the idea that anyone dismisses alternatives out of hand because they "aren't in the OT/NT" needs to read more about the development of the Bible. In particular, Protestants wholesale wiped out books, so their approach is rather heavyhanded.

Regarding Purgatory, this is perhaps related to the Judaic concept of Gehenna, and you might be dimly aware that Jesus and his disciples were once Jews before they created their own faith. Therefore, a lot of Jewish traditions and influence is understandably intertwined with early Christian doctrine and remains in many places. This shouldn't surprise anyone, since the first five books of the OT are pretty much the Torah, and this remains true across all major sects of Christianity.

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Jesus defeated satan.

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Jesus defeated satan.

But satan is not real.

The devil is a murderer.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The devil is a murderer.

No. People murder. No wonder you are confused.

satan has a kingdom.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
satan has a kingdom.

But satan is not real.

satan's kingdom is real, but Lord Jesus took back the keys of death and Hades.

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satan's kingdom is real, but Lord Jesus took back the keys of death and Hades.

According to mythology.