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The universe is at war. Every Angel in existance, including the Fallen ones like Spectre
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Lucifer & Michael
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Gabriel
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Asmodel and Bull Host
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The Host
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vs

Mxy
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Quisp
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Thunderbolts
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Mopee
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Bat-Mite
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Klyzyzk Klzntplkz
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Angels Win. Not only are Michael/Lucifer likely the 2 Most Powerful on the field but also Lucifer gives the Angels an Insane Intelligence advantageover the IMPs.

Could you imagine a battle of Wits between Lucifer and MXY, talk about 1 Sided.

But didn't mxy by himself in worlds finest collapse the omniverse?
And I've seen arguments making it valid.. So let's say it is valid... Wouldnt that trump the angels?

Originally posted by rotiart
But didn't mxy by himself in worlds finest collapse the omniverse?
He did.

It is.

It does.

The insane thing is, the only other being that survived that Omniversal purge was Bat-mite. And he's just a piece of Mxy's power anyway.

To bad they showed a 5th dimension imp getting hurt by that idiot superboy prime.

Didn't a Thunderbolt (or was it Qwsp) manage to imprison Spectre?

So that would imply on average, Imps > Angels, no?

To try and debate the ludicrous nature of Imps is to try and debate the ludicrous nature of Lobo in his most ridiculous outings in Heaven and Hell. Best not to try. As for Superboy Prime, again it's best not to try.

You don't f*** with a keebler elf. Angels die.

Michael and Lucifer are arguably the strongest Abstract entities in DCverse. Only The Presence and perhaps The Endless are above them.

Angels win.

Originally posted by rotiart
But didn't mxy by himself in worlds finest collapse the omniverse?
And I've seen arguments making it valid.. So let's say it is valid... Wouldnt that trump the angels? The same feat arguers who tout Mxy will probably abandon the feat logic just because.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Michael and Lucifer are arguably the strongest Abstract entities in DCverse. Only The Presence and perhaps The Endless are above them.

It was made clear in the Lucifer series that the Endless are below him.

Lucifer & Michael win.

Originally posted by Cogito
It was made clear in the Lucifer series that the Endless are below him.

Lucifer & Michael win. Lucifer series isn't canon. It is it's own self contained universe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lucifer series isn't canon. It is it's own self contained universe.

Keep dreaming

Originally posted by Cogito
Keep dreaming Didio has stated that vertigo isn't canon to the dcu. Lucifer isn't one of the exceptions. His actions aren't canon to the dcu. Laughs while awake.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Didio has stated that vertigo isn't canon to the dcu. Lucifer isn't one of the exceptions. His actions aren't canon to the dcu. Laughs while awake.

There's a number of Vertigo comics that would beg to differ. Didio's a fool.

Originally posted by Cogito
There's a number of Vertigo comics that would beg to differ. Didio's a fool. Didio makes decisions concerning continuity not you. Lucifer occurs in its own self contained universe.

Frankly Quan, I've had more success arguing with a brick wall than I have with you. While on the topic, said wall also has more credibility than you.

But you keep doing what you do music

Originally posted by Cogito
Frankly Quan, I've had more success arguing with a brick wall than I have with you. While on the topic, said wall also has more credibility than you.

But you keep doing what you do music You saying something in continuity while Didio has explicitly stated it's not is you being a brick wall. It isn't. Carey told his own story outside continuity. I grasp what's going on you apparently don't.

Even if MXY could collapse the Multiverse, Michael and Lucifer likely wouldn't even be affected since they can go outside creation. It is also possible that the Angels even created the 5-D Imps.

Additionally, if beings such as The A have shown immunity to MXY, it is highly likely Michael/Lucifer would be too

Imps win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You saying something in continuity while Didio has explicitly stated it's not is you being a brick wall. It isn't. Carey told his own story outside continuity. I grasp what's going on you apparently don't.

It's only not in continuity in the sense that Sandman/Hellblazer aren't either, seeing as Lucifer is a direct continuation of Lucifer's story from Sandman, and was referenced in Hellblazer as it was running. Swamp Thing/Sandman/Hellblazer/Lucifer all take place in the Vertigoverse, which seems like it's just a parallel multiverse or something (Seeing as Daniel as Dream appeared in both JLA and JSA, but referred to the mainstream DCU as a "little universe"...)

As for this, I'd argue Lucifer/Michael just about tip the balance for the angels- most of which are pretty much canon fodder for the imps...

Originally posted by Cogito
It was made clear in the Lucifer series that the Endless are below him.

Well, the interview by CBG to Mike Carey suggests otherwise.

Imps imo. Some will argue Michael+Lucifer= God

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Well, the interview by CBG to Mike Carey suggests otherwise.

Well, comics > interviews.

I'd like to see that interview though, if you can find it.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Well, the interview by CBG to Mike Carey suggests otherwise.

If Carey thought the Endless were more powerful than Michael/Lucifer, he should have put it in the text of the comic. Instead, both Sandman and Lucifer strongly beg to differ. It seems wiser to go by what's actually in the text than what writers or editors say in real life. The comic is the primary canon.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
It's only not in continuity in the sense that Sandman/Hellblazer aren't either, seeing as Lucifer is a direct continuation of Lucifer's story from Sandman, and was referenced in Hellblazer as it was running. Swamp Thing/Sandman/Hellblazer/Lucifer all take place in the Vertigoverse, which seems like it's just a parallel multiverse or something (Seeing as Daniel as Dream appeared in both JLA and JSA, but referred to the mainstream DCU as a "little universe"...)

As for this, I'd argue Lucifer/Michael just about tip the balance for the angels- most of which are pretty much canon fodder for the imps... It's a continuation in the sense it went off in it's own direction. It just isn't canon to the dcu.Originally posted by Cogito
Well, comics > interviews.

I'd like to see that interview though, if you can find it. If he wrote it you can't just arbitrarily dismiss his opinion.

Originally posted by Cogito
Well, comics > interviews.

I'd like to see that interview though, if you can find it.

Pretty much agreed with this.

Mxy did some nasty things to spectre not once....but three times. If that's an indication of anything then imps are. Of to be fck with. Is eclipso and the word involve?

Originally posted by dynamix
Mxy did some nasty things to spectre not once....but three times. If that's an indication of anything then imps are not to be fck with. Is eclipso and the word involve?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Pretty much agreed with this.

A writer's statements/opinions aren't canon unless they're published.