Thor Year 1

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Deadline
The Batfamily have left Gotham and a depowered Thor has been chosen to take his place. Before being transported to Gotham Thor gets:

1. 1 years intensive martial art training with Shang Chi.

2. Body armour as durable as Caps suit.

3. Second grade adamantuim hammer with a device that enables it to return after being thrown

4. Sidekicks: Henry (from Punisher), Black Widow, Falcon and Silver Sable.

5. Base of Operation: SHIELD Hellicarrier assume it has a cloaking device that enables it to be hidden and they can get to it without being spotted.

Thor has to look after Gotham for a year before the Batfamily return. How does he do?

JakeTheBank
He does decent enough. He certainly won't be killed or anything, but in terms of actually solving crimes and detective work, he won't do so well on his own and will need to heavily rely on the likes of his allies.

In terms of stopping the various super criminals and busting up gangs and whatnot, Thor will bash people's faces in. He'll likely be intimidating, but won't have the fear advantage Batman does.

Deadline
*bump*

Stoic
Thor is awfully heavy. I'd imagine that he'd have trouble doing anything if he were powerless. But for the sake of this thread, let's pretend that he had at the very least olympic level speed and agility, not very many Batman opponents would be able to go toe to toe with him based on the tremendous strength that a man of his weight could bring to a fight. Thor is nearly twice the weight of the Kingpin.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Deadline

3. Second grade adamantuim hammer with a device that enables it to return after being thrown

laughing

I really liked this one in particular. Awesome.

The actual fighting won't be the problem.
Bruce is Bruce because he is smart and savvy as heck. This will not bode well for Odinson's brand of superheroing.

StiltmanFTW
He dies during the training with Shang.

Deadline
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
laughing

I really liked this one in particular. Awesome.

The actual fighting won't be the problem.
Bruce is Bruce because he is smart and savvy as heck. This will not bode well for Odinson's brand of superheroing.

He may not be Bruce but he's not dumb and can adapt thats why he has the other team members. Henry Russo is a smart hacker that beat Microhip in hacking a guy that could hack into the X-mens (Reavers) computer for fun. He can also hack into sattelites. It's also partially due to Henrys tactics that Norman Osborn brought in The Hood.

Falcon can also telepathically to any bird and see through their eyes. Er you know who Black Widow is right. Y'know the superspy? Then we geot Silver Sable.

I will say this finding people and getting information isn't going to be a problem.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Deadline
but he's not dumb

http://i65.tinypic.com/2ujqal3.png

Damborgson
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/d0/6c/5ad06c92973fb4e1bc5f139c4480d100.gif

****ing Christ.

StiltmanFTW
https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Avengers-4.png

DarkSaint85
Yeah, the Riddler would phuck him up lol.

Deadline
Yea thing is though the brains of the team are going to be Black Widow amd henry Russo not Thor. So I don't know about that.

One Big Mob
The secret to this thread is that Thor's depowerment only accounts for a loss of Mjolnir, not a loss of personal powers imo.

Very close thread in that case

Deadline
Originally posted by One Big Mob
The secret to this thread is that Thor's depowerment only accounts for a loss of Mjolnir, not a loss of personal powers imo.

Very close thread in that case

Whoa no he doesn't have any magical abilities. He's just 'peak human' with Asagardian and Shang Chi training.

One Big Mob
Agree to disagree

Deadline
^ on what?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea thing is though the brains of the team are going to be Black Widow amd henry Russo not Thor. So I don't know about that.

What feats of lateral (not intelligence) thinking do they have? Because Bats has tons of deductive reasoning feats, yet Riddler stymies him.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Agree to disagree
laughing out loud

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Deadline
He may not be Bruce but he's not dumb and can adapt thats why he has the other team members. Henry Russo is a smart hacker that beat Microhip in hacking a guy that could hack into the X-mens (Reavers) computer for fun. He can also hack into sattelites. It's also partially due to Henrys tactics that Norman Osborn brought in The Hood.

Falcon can also telepathically to any bird and see through their eyes. Er you know who Black Widow is right. Y'know the superspy? Then we geot Silver Sable.

I will say this finding people and getting information isn't going to be a problem.
Since you put it that way, I guess it could work. I thought you had him as being the brains of the crew. If he's mainly the point man and the muscle, then yeah it could work.
Does he have access to Shield tech?

Deadline
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What feats of lateral (not intelligence) thinking do they have? Because Bats has tons of deductive reasoning feats, yet Riddler stymies him.

I think you're narrowing it down into a specific criteria. I've already gone into some of the stuff the team can do. For starters I think you're exaggeratting how smart The Riddler is, maybe he has some recent showings that are really impressive but for most part of his career he has been a street level villain. Robin has been able to easily outsmart him.

Black Widow has been able to outsmart an AI system that had fooled the whole of SHIELD and was going to take it over. Henry Russo was instrumental in helping punsiher fight The Hood and Norman Osborn.

I didn't realise this but unfortunately looks like I'm going to have to bring up Norman Osborn again. Norman Osborn isn't a street level supervillian anymore. I know you might think that he only got power in Dark Reign through sheer luck and shown scans with Norman Osborn saying so but it doesn't matter. If somebody says something on panel but the reality of the comic contradicts it doesn't matter. It's like Martian manhunter saying that Aquaman has no psionic powers but in the page before he uses TP. Obvioulsy luck was involved in him getting that power but he still had to be highly intelligent to utilize it and that's proved by the fact that Norman helped come up with a plan to save Doom's life. Y'know you have to be highly intelligent to save his life.


Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Since you put it that way, I guess it could work. I thought you had him as being the brains of the crew. If he's mainly the point man and the muscle, then yeah it could work.
Does he have access to Shield tech?

They basically have access to what is in a standard Shield hellicarrier. However any other tech they have to get through other means.

DarkSaint85
Riddler hacked a Motherbox. On the fly, IIRC.

Deadline
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Riddler hacked a Motherbox. On the fly, IIRC.

I know what a motherbox is and I'm not entirely sure it's more advanced than Shiar tech. As I said before Henry beat the guy that broke into the X-mens computer for a laugh, he wasn't even trying and he did it.



https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Shi%27ar_(Race)

Also...

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/danger/4005-40862/

Danger was spawned from the Shiar tech that the X-men used. Danger didn't exist when Microchip hacked into their computer but my point is to show how advanced Shiar tech can be.

EDIT: When did Riddler do this by the way? That's the thing about Batman villains they do crazy stuff like that and then do a lot of other stuff that contradicts it. I could possibly call PIS on that.

StiltmanFTW
https://tinyurl.com/y2wvf6vc

https://tinyurl.com/y2uyvvv3

Deadline
^ For me it's like the superinsanity Joker thing. I just can't take it seriously.

StiltmanFTW
It's okay.

We can't take you seriously, either thumb up

Deadline
The problem here is he has loads of showiings that contradict it. He's hacking into New Genesis tech then he's getting outsmarted by Robin easily. If it were Alexander Luthor I could take it more seriously.

StiltmanFTW
Not really.

That's how he's being written in the new continuity. Try to keep up, for ****'s sake.

And since you probably don't remember our forum rules, we always use the current versions - regardless of when the thread was made - unless stated otherwise in the OP.

Deadline
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.

That's how he's being written in the new continuity. Try to keep up, for ****'s sake.

That doesn't neccesarily disregard past feats.


Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

And since you probably don't remember our forum rules, we always use the current versions - regardless of when the thread was made - unless stated otherwise in the OP.

I never said we didn't use current versions the point is you take peoples feats as a whole.

StiltmanFTW
Impossible to tell with DC - their continuity is one big mess.

And I'm sure they'll complicate it further with a next reboot (or several).

Deadline
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Impossible to tell with DC - their continuity is one big mess.

And I'm sure they'll complicate it further with a next reboot (or several).

And until then I'm assuming his past history still exists. I'm sorry but the feat is utter garbage. For starters how many times has Riddler been stuck in Arkham? There's at least one showing where he could have broken out but he didn't want to. I strongly suspect that Riddler has been imprisoned in Arkham with far less advanced tech and had trouble getting out. It's been awhile since I read Knightfall but I pretty much got the impression that the only reason Riddler was out was because of Bane. Now all of a sudden he's not only breaking New Genesis tech but super advanced New Genesis tech. Pppplllleaasee!!!! Not to mention the fact that this is a society that creats motherboxes. If it was that so advanced would it even be made of wires? I mean wouldn't it like change shape if somebody tried to mess with it?

Eventhough Microchip was a street level character it's pretty clear that he's a hacking genuis and is like the Reed Richards of hacking in the MU and even then I thought it was a bit disrespectful for him to break into the Xmens security system so easily.

StiltmanFTW
It's very risky to assume that.

Look at KGBeast, for example.

Thor is not the Punisher, he's not going to benefit much from Henry's instructions.

Even your Cap noted he's a dumbass, who can't comprehend the purpose of training sessions. You can't expect him to handle crime in the f*cking Gotham City. He can stop some muggers, at best.

DarkSaint85
Well, it happened. Current Nigma hacked New Genesis tech in 11 seconds where he wasn't sure if even New Gods could.

You also have to factor in that they (the villains) love playing with Bats. Nigma knows Bruce's identity, for example.

Against Thor? They'd be bored in 5 seconds flat.

And Joker is a step above Nigma. Even out-prepped a PREPPED Luthor, lol. Thor would be Jokerized. You've given him peak human stats but none of Batman's immunities to Poison Ivy, or Joker venom, or fear gas, for example.

Deadline
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, it happened. Current Nigma hacked New Genesis tech in 11 seconds where he wasn't sure if even New Gods could.

You also have to factor in that they (the villains) love playing with Bats. Nigma knows Bruce's identity, for example.

And it's PIS because he's been trapped in Arkham a million times before with far inferior tech and not been able to get out. Showing me that scan is like showing me one of Bane KOing Superman with one finger. It's PIS because we know that Bane isn't capable of that, which is why I said if it was somebody like Alexander Luthor I could go for it.

Furthermore do you know how absurd you sound taking that feat at face value? It's not that he beat New Genesis tech he beat bleeding edge New Genesis tech which means that Riddler is posibly the smartest man in the universe. According to what Riddler said it could be argued that he's smarter than Metron. Is Riddler smarter than Metron? No he isn't. Why don't you start a thread Metron vs Riddler and use that scan as evidence?

Exactly.



Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Against Thor? They'd be bored in 5 seconds flat.

And Joker is a step above Nigma. Even out-prepped a PREPPED Luthor, lol. Thor would be Jokerized. You've given him peak human stats but none of Batman's immunities to Poison Ivy, or Joker venom, or fear gas, for example.

laughing Oh right well if Joker is smarter than Riddler then he must be smarter than Metron right? Wait a second didn't Jason Todd kidnap The Joker? Wait a minute didn't The Joker create a deathtrap that Jean Paul Valley disarmed? Jean Paul isn't stupid but he isn't in the league of Batman. If Riddler is a smart as you say he is Jean wouldn't be able to do that.

StiltmanFTW
Metron is a dumbass:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132014/3768862-5321059396-35637.jpg

Deadline
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Metron is a dumbass:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111132014/3768862-5321059396-35637.jpg

Yea sure he is... thumb up

Just looking at that scan looks like you're taking it out of context, it's pretty clear that Metron isn't in his right state of mind.

EDIT: Oh yeah Riddler is also smarter than Darkseid..

MrMind
if thor does not have superpowers

he would lose to artem lobov

Bentley
Originally posted by Deadline
^ For me it's like the superinsanity Joker thing. I just can't take it seriously.

Actually Riddler implies from his dialogue that he did not actually hack into the device in any conventional way. He figured he would obviously fail to hack the device and tried something else.

"No one bothered to tie the rope to the fence" tips it towards him doing something awfully simple but that the designer of the motherbox didn't think anyone would try. Is not as if he went to control the whole thing or anything like that.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea sure he is... thumb up

Just looking at that scan looks like you're taking it out of context, it's pretty clear that Metron isn't in his right state of mind.

EDIT: Oh yeah Riddler is also smarter than Darkseid..

Lol there isn't any context.

And FYI, Batman hacked Apokoliptian tech and used it against Darkseid. Changed his passwords and everything.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Deadline
And it's PIS because he's been trapped in Arkham a million times before with far inferior tech and not been able to get out. Showing me that scan is like showing me one of Bane KOing Superman with one finger. It's PIS because we know that Bane isn't capable of that, which is why I said if it was somebody like Alexander Luthor I could go for it.

Do you have Bane KOing Superman with one finger? If not, that's a complete red herring.


Yet you seemed perfectly happy to have Henry beating the guy who hacked into the X-mansion/Shi-Ar tech (pretty much your words). Yet, call PIS on this? Lol.



Not my words.

Riddler doesn't understand the Joker:
https://imgur.com/7sQaA8K

But then, the Joker has worked up close and personal with Batman:
https://imgur.com/a/Upmqj

I think you are using pre-52 versions. Currently, the Batfamily - and their foes - are pretty up there.

Joker defeated the entire Batfamily:
https://imgur.com/r7UcTAs

Including Jason:
https://imgur.com/a/HZBMG

And as for the feat about Lex that I mentioned earlier?
https://i.postimg.cc/Js67vYjt/RCO010.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/hzxSJS67/RCO011.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/94smF48h/RCO012.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/3kJJLQ4P/RCO013.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/WqvsgBcY/RCO014.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/4m1xbxd6/RCO015-w.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/FfYF4bxp/RCO016.jpg
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https://i.postimg.cc/6yKQvv96/RCO017.jpg

But yes, a peak human Thor with a substandard Mjolinir, backed up by a guy who can talk to birds, and some B-listers can contend with these guys.

Deadline
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol there isn't any context.

And FYI, Batman hacked Apokoliptian tech and used it against Darkseid. Changed his passwords and everything.


Yea I think that's entirely possible and I think I've heard of this feat. What issue did this happen in? I might try and take a look.

As for the other point I've made I might deal with them later but you're selectively choosing and ignoring parts of amy argument you like and taking what I'm saying out of conext.

EDIT: It also doesn't mean that he's smarter than Darkseid. It's very impressive but it would only prove he's smarter if Darkseid couldn't stop Bruce from hacking and he knew he did it.

I hope you're not refering to this....

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4104354

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I think that's entirely possible and I think I've heard of this feat. What issue did this happen in? I might try and take a look.

As for the other point I've made I might deal with them later but you're selectively choosing and ignoring parts of amy argument you like and taking what I'm saying out of conext.

EDIT: It also doesn't mean that he's smarter than Darkseid. It's very impressive but it would only prove he's smarter if Darkseid couldn't stop Bruce from hacking and he knew he did it.

I hope you're not refering to this....

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4104354

I don't know what you posted, as I couldn't see the pic.

Meanwhile, Thor is confused:

https://i.postimg.cc/SsrN9ddv/RCO004-1550745723.jpg

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't know what you posted, as I couldn't see the pic.

Alf never learned the basics of the Internetzzz, even though he spent so many years vegging on it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meanwhile, Thor is confused:

https://i.postimg.cc/SsrN9ddv/RCO004-1550745723.jpg

laughing out loud

I'm sure the current Avengers book will keep giving us more examples of Thor's uncanny mind.

Don't forget about classics, like how he kidnapped a random hobo from the street, believing him to be Heimdall.

Or when he ruined Cap's reflexes training exercise, not understanding the point of it.

DarkSaint85
THOR, GET OUT OF THERE! IT'S A TRAP!!! THE JOKER KNOWS YOU'RE COMING!!!!

https://i.postimg.cc/J73HMcWv/download-1.jpg

StiltmanFTW
THOR, WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T STEP ON THE FLOOR MARKED WITH PURPLE QUESTION MARKS!

http://tinyurl.com/y297td7u

carver9
I seen Bane amped off of Venom vs Superman being mentioned here so I decided to give Deadline these scans. It's not a ko but blood and a punch making you fly was involved in this showing. Enjoy!!!

http://i.imgur.com/ONe0naV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jeq9p8Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FvPpzEP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wOPpeDr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cxyPHHn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2FCsP4E.jpg

DarkSaint85
thumb up. Thor would be decimated into a pink mist.

Edit: still not remotely the same as to what Deadline was talking about, but Carver doesn't actually read lol.

MrMind
and now!! the main PPV event of the evening! Thor vs Killer Croc fighting for the new UFC super heavy weight belt

5 Rounds!

Fight Starts
Joe Rogaine: Killer Croc attemps for the double leg take down, Thor tries to put him in a guillotine, but doesn't work. Thor's on the ground trying to get up. Killer Croc keeps elbowing the God of Thunder in the face

Oh my god! He's hurt! Odinson is hurt. Killer Croc has put him in a rear naked choke, Odinson is tapping, Killer Croc has won the match. Oh no Killer Croc spitted on Thor's face

What is he doing? Killer Croc jumped out of the cage and attemped a fly kick on someone in Thor's camp. Oh no he's beating the crap out of Odin.

Oh it's because the Norse gods had bad blood with the Reptilles. Some racial words were said in the Thor's camp, and Killer Croc simply isn't having that! What a night

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

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