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STIPS: No BFR, Superman cannot use superspeed.

Who wins?

Sersi

Superman.

Sersi

Sersi. But I'd settle for transmutation resistants feats for Supes. She wouldn't beat him on raw power.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_57.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_58.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_59.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_60.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_1736329-supermanvol2047p16ku8_super.jpg

Keep in mind that both of these were magical transmutation.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Keep in mind that both of these were magical transmutation. it looks to me the dude only transmuted diana on purpose and just blasted everyone else..

Diana after all is made of clay or was the dudes magic apparently interacted with her.

I dont see that as a feat at all for superman unless you think he should revert to clay as well along with Big Barda and Batman who by the way they also apparently resisted transmutation.



I dont see the 1st one counting the second one is interesting but I need to see the full context of it.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
it looks to me the dude only transmuted diana on purpose and just blasted everyone else..

Diana after all is made of clay or was the dudes magic apparently interacted with her.

I dont see that as a feat at all for superman unless you think he should revert to clay as well along with Big Barda and Batman who by the way they also apparently resisted transmutation.



I dont see the 1st one counting the second one is interesting but I need to see the full context of it.
Disciple was reverting everyone down to their primitive level in evolution and had reverted entire earth to their primitive level. Its absolutely a transmutation resisting feat. Second one is Blaze trying to transmutate superman.

Without a handicap, Superman wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Disciple was reverting everyone down to their primitive level in evolution and had reverted entire earth to their primitive level. Its absolutely a transmutation resisting feat. Second one is Blaze trying to transmutate superman.

so are you willing to give credit to the heroes behind and beside superman who were not transmuted as well?

Originally posted by Nietzschean
so are you willing to give credit to the heroes behind and beside superman who were not transmuted as well?
Why not? Superman took the brunt of the attack after diana was transmuted, that's why they were less affected. Before that disciple reverted everyone nigh instantly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? Superman took the brunt of the attack after diana was transmuted, that's why they were less affected. Before that disciple reverted everyone nigh instantly. awesome. I guess now Batman has transmutation resistance under his utility belt as well..

Originally posted by Nietzschean
awesome. I guess now Batman has transmutation resistance under his utility belt as well..
He has much better feats. Want me to remind you? If you want to discredit a feat, don't bring batman as an example.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has much better feats. Want me to remind you? If you want to discredit a feat, don't bring batman as an example. It's not like he's overcome the Omega Sanction or overpowered one of Spectre's enemies trying to trap him on sheer force of will or anything. . .


I mean, he's just a human.

Sersi

Here Superman resist to be transformed into salt, IIRC He survived this at least 3 times

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/Superman%20vs%20molecular%20transmutation/AC819WEAKVSCOUPLEWHOCANTRANSFORMPEOPLEINTOSALT3.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/Superman%20vs%20molecular%20transmutation/AC819WEAKVSCOUPLEWHOCANTRANSFORMPEOPLEINTOSALT11.jpg

I know he has been transformed into salt , but that feat was done by none other than Neron/Spectre IIRC

eternal

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_57.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_58.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_59.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_60.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_1736329-supermanvol2047p16ku8_super.jpg

Keep in mind that both of these were magical transmutation.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Sersi uses magic

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I could be wrong, but I don't think Sersi uses magic
My point was that he resisted magical transmutation when he has a magical weakness.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I could be wrong, but I don't think Sersi uses magic

You are correct. But I would tend to think Sersi CAN'T transmute Superman.

Superman .

Sersi. Even without direct transmutation she has what it takes to down him. Not much he should be able to do if she goes intangible or ports around, what with the rules taking away Supes' speed and all. She could probably cut off his power supply too, in a battle of contrition.

Well if she knew his weaknesses beforehand, it would be over quite quickly.

Originally posted by Konton
Sersi. Even without direct transmutation she has what it takes to down him. Not much he should be able to do if she goes intangible or ports around, what with the rules taking away Supes' speed and all. She could probably cut off his power supply too, in a battle of contrition.
HV can affect intangible beings and his reflexes are still allowed. How is she cutting him off from sun?

Superman

Sersi whoops his ass. Bricks can't handle what she's got without speed-blitzing.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Sersi whoops his ass. Bricks can't handle what she's got without speed-blitzing. You realized Superman is a flying brick that can speedblitz?

Not in this thread, he can't. No super-speed.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Sersi whoops his ass. Bricks can't handle what she's got without speed-blitzing.
Superman is more than a flying brick though.

Superman is WAAAAAAAY stronger than her. I doubt he could kill her permanently, but killing isn't the only way to win. With his speed gone, she would have to get exotic to beat him.

I doubt she could transmute him, but even if we give her an unfair pre-knowledge of his weaknesses, Kryptonite that's not from Superman's universe won't effect him. She'd have to turn all the yellow solar radiation into red solar radiation, and even that could take a while to affect him.

If Superman has his speed, he would win very easily. Without it, it could be an interesting match, depending on what Sersi does. But I'm still gonna give the edge to Superman.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman is WAAAAAAAY stronger than her. I doubt he could kill her permanently, but killing isn't the only way to win. With his speed gone, she would have to get exotic to beat him.

I doubt she could transmute him, but even if we give her an unfair pre-knowledge of his weaknesses, Kryptonite that's not from Superman's universe won't effect him. She'd have to turn all the yellow solar radiation into red solar radiation, and even that could take a while to affect him.


Pretty sure in vs threads we use a nutral universe where all thigns affect them as they would in their own. Hence Why Flash can affect people with speed force specific things, and IGs kill people when they can only do it in their own universe

Originally posted by jalek moye
Pretty sure in vs threads we use a nutral universe where all thigns affect them as they would in their own. Hence Why Flash can affect people with speed force specific things, and IGs kill people when they can only do it in their own universe

In that case yeah that would be an option, assuming she had the unfair advantage of pre-knowledge of his weaknesses. But without it, I think Superman wins more often than not even without the speed.

Reviewed the resistance feats:

I don't buy the one with Wonder Woman. It seems to me that the guy transmuted wonder woman and just "blasted" everyone else. The other feat (resisting being turned into salt) was legitimate, but those people were obviously nowhere near Sersi's level.

In this fight, Sersi is faster than Superman, can read his mind, and stands a good chance at transmuting him directly. She should win this.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Pretty sure in vs threads we use a nutral universe where all thigns affect them as they would in their own. Hence Why Flash can affect people with speed force specific things, and IGs kill people when they can only do it in their own universe
No, the neutral universe abides the laws of both universes and since kryptonite doesn't exist in MU, it would work as the rules in DC which is that no alternate reality character can affect a kryptonian via synthetic kryptonite like firestorm couldn't hurt SBP with kryptonite but element lad could.Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Reviewed the resistance feats:

I don't buy the one with Wonder Woman. It seems to me that the guy transmuted wonder woman and just "blasted" everyone else. The other feat (resisting being turned into salt) was legitimate, but those people were obviously nowhere near Sersi's level.

In this fight, Sersi is faster than Superman, can read his mind, and stands a good chance at transmuting him directly. She should win this.
Disciple was transmuting everyone there or did you miss everybody getting messed up? He was regressing entire earth to its primitive state and transmuted two magical beings via magic. Its superman's transmutation resistance since he took the brunt of his power after diana being transmuted. Guess you forgot blaze failing to transmute superman.