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This time Thanos has the Starbrand(only the starbrand , no congress amp etc.) and Erishkigal manages to get a hold of the classic 616 infinity gauntlet .
Magus possesses 100 cosmic cubes(all of them are at 100% power and fully functional) .
Battle is to death and takes place in the 616-universe .

Who wins ?

100 CCUs at full power! ... Holy!

... but if Erishkigal can harness the IG fully, she wins.

Magus/CCU+100 ... comes in second.

Thanos/Starbrand 3rd (even with the congress)

Originally posted by Mr Master
100 CCUs at full power! ... Holy!

... but if Erishkigal can harness the IG fully, she wins.

Magus/CCU+100 ... comes in second.

Thanos/Starbrand 3rd (even with the congress)

Congress is not involved here .

I am waiting for a certain someone to respond to this thread . If he has the ba**s to do so .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Congress is not involved here .
I know. Which is why I said "even with the Congress"

Meaning, it makes no difference, still loses.

IG > CCUs > Starbrand ... this is why.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know. Which is why I said "even with the Congress"

Meaning, it makes no difference, still loses.

IG > CCUs > Starbrand ... this is why.

Even with the Congress !? Are you sure about that ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Even with the Congress !? Are you sure about that ?
Yea, the Starbrand wasn't all that.

Stipulations were needed for it to effect the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, the Starbrand wasn't all that.

Stipulations were needed for it to effect the Multiverse.

And the congress was a major part of those stipulations . Which is why I'll ask you again : are you sure that Thanos will come in 3rd even with the congress amp ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

And the congress was a major part of those stipulations .
Which is why I'll ask you again
:are you sure that Thanos will come in 3rd even with the congress amp ?
Actually, outside the Nexus of Realities, the congress can't help the Starbrand.

Remember, it's withIN the Nexus itself that the Congress (nexus guardians)
can harness the multiverses' nexus energies collectively,
this coupled with the merging of the Starbrand,
gives the Starbrand enough power to shift the Cosmic Axis,
therefore causing Chaos to grow in the Multiverse due to an imbalance.

According to the LT,
the Starbrand merged with the Congress while located within the Nexus of Realities,
was a "potential peer to the Abstracts"
... but "would not be able to withstand the power of the LT"

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These stipulated circumstances aside,
and the Starbrand is a potential universal power:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/12022032_ST.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, outside the Nexus of Realities, the congress can't help the Starbrand.
Remember, it's withIN the Nexus itself that the Congress (nexus guardians)
can harness the multiverses' nexus energies collectively,
this coupled with the merging of the Starbrand,
gives the Starbrand enough power to shift the Cosmic Axis,
therefore causing Chaos to grow in the Multiverse due to an imbalance.

When we talk about an "amp" , we imply it to be a functional amp . Since the congress is being talked about here as an "amp" , they are a functional amp . I.E , they give the starbrand whatever boost is necessary as was the case in that quasar issue . But since the location here is not the NoR , what was the point in bringing up the congress amp ?

Originally posted by Mr Master

According to the LT,
the Starbrand merged with the Congress while located within the Nexus of Realities,
was a "potential peer to the Abstracts"
... but "would not be able to withstand the power of the LT"

This , I believe , is the scan(you showed a cropped version of it in the original Erishkigal VS Thanos thread) from which this statement of the LT's comes from :
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1816/gangup.th.jpg
LT : "Heed me Erishkigal , I acknowledge you as a being of vast power.....a potential peer to the Abstract Entities.But not even you could withstand the unleashed powers of the Living Tribunal .Cease your disruption or I will enlist the highest powers in the multiverse to annihilate you!"
To which Erishkigal responds : "I don't respond well to threats , 3-face!"

So , Erishkigal basically laughed off the LT's threat to which the LT responded by proposing that contest via proxies .
In this case , Erishkigal is at least as much of a threat as Warlock w/IG was . Difference is the LT was able to use the guilt trap of "all realities getting destroyed in our clash" to perfection with Warlock , whereas Erishkigal simply didn't give a damn .

Btw , I am still waiting for that certain somebody to show the ba**s to post on this thread the moment he logs in .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

When we talk about an "amp" , we imply it to be a functional
amp . Since the congress is being talked about here as an "amp" ,
they are a functional amp . I.E , they give the starbrand whatever
boost is necessary as was the case in that quasar issue . But since
the location here is not the NoR , what was the point in bringing up
the congress amp ?
The Congress amp only works within the NoR, as we agree.

My point of bringing it up is that it still wouldn't be enough.

What Erishkigal was trying to do, with all it's external power sources & stipulations:
(Starbrand/Congress amp/NoR)

was to shift the Cosmic Axis ...

... in order to bring down Eternity/Infinity.

Same thing that went down during the Dormy/Umar arc.

IG > Eternity/Infinity
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

This , I believe , is the scan(you showed a cropped version of it
in the original Erishkigal VS Thanos thread) from which this
statement of the LT's comes from :

LT : "Heed me Erishkigal , I acknowledge you as a being of vast
power.....a potential peer to the Abstract Entities.But not even you
could withstand the unleashed powers of the Living Tribunal .Cease
your disruption or I will enlist the highest powers in the multiverse
to annihilate you!"
To which Erishkigal responds : "I don't respond well to threats , 3-face!"
Cool, and it makes no difference,
cause my point related to a specific part of the page.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

So , Erishkigal basically laughed off the LT's threat to which the
LT responded by proposing that contest via proxies .
So Erishkigal "laughed off" a threat, means something?

Or does it simply mean that Erishkigal is a bad mouth who doesn't take shit?

Also,
remember, this is a Quasar issue that needed Quasar to be part of the story,
and the Silver Surfer was due another cameo in a Quasar issue.

This is where "plot" comes in and prolongs things so the
mainstream characters can have their day.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

In this case , Erishkigal is at least as much of a threat as
Warlock w/IG was . Difference is the LT was able to use the guilt
trap of "all realities getting destroyed in our clash" to perfection
with Warlock , whereas Erishkigal simply didn't give a damn .
Not in my opinion, not even close.

Erishkigal acting tough doesn't = to giving her status in power.

LT didn't guilt trip Warlock either, the story had to end with a sensible conclusion.

The fact that the LT withstood unharmed and then reversed Warlock's furious blast,
with a simple gesture no less, proved everything.

The fact that it would take the LT destroying all reality to take the IG,
only cements how powerful the IG is.

While the LT was gonna enlist the Cosmics that Thanos easily
stomed to annihilate Erishkigal.

*edit*

In any case, the subsequent arcs clarified that the LT was above the IG without question.

The Handbooks also corroborated this on panel fact.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Congress amp only works within the NoR, as we agree.

My point of bringing it up is that it still wouldn't be enough.

What Erishkigal was trying to do, with all it's external power sources & stipulations:
(Starbrand/Congress amp/NoR)
to shift the Cosmic Axis ...

... was to bring down Eternity/Infinity.

Same thing that went down during the Dormy/Umar arc.

IG > Eternity/Infinity

Cool, and it makes no difference,
cause my point related to a specific part of the page.

So Erishkigal "laughed off" a threat, means something?

Or does it simply mean that Erishkigal is a bad mouth who doesn't take shit?

Also,
remember, this is a Quasar issue that needed Quasar to be part of the story,
and the Silver Surfer was due another cameo in a Quasar issue.

This is where "plot" comes in and prolongs things so the
mainstream characters can have their day.

Not in my opinion, not even close.

Erishkigal acting tough doesn't = to giving her status in power.

LT didn't guilt trip Warlock either, the story had to end with a sensible conclusion.

The fact that the LT withstood unharmed and then reversed Warlock's furious blast,
with a simple gesture no less, proved everything.

The fact that it would take the LT destroying all reality to take the IG,
only cements how powerful the IG is.

While the LT was gonna enlist the Cosmics that Thanos easily
stomed to annihilate Erishkigal.

*edit*

In any case, the subsequent arcs clarified that the LT was above the IG without question.

The Handbooks also corroborated these on panel fact.

If Erishkigal didn't have the power , do you think that she would "laugh off" a threat from the second most powerful being in Marvel Actuality ?
Also the Warlock confrontation , imo , clearly shows that , at the very least , Erishkigal w/ Starbrand+fully functional congress amp is as great a threat to LT as Warlock w/IG .
And LT did indeed use the guilt trap on Warlock , by blackmailing him with the "All reality will get destroyed in such a confraontation. Is that what you want? Is that the type of god you are? " line.
IIRC , LT himself wasn't sure which way the fight would have gone , yet he was unwilling to get in a direct confrontation with Ersishkigal . However , if you still believe that even w/ the congress amp, the IG is greater , then to each his own . Your opinions are respected and welcome .

Although I am disappointed by the fact that the person who asked for this thread to be made , has refused to reply to it .

But on a second note , I am not disappointed any more .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

If Erishkigal didn't have the power , do you think that she would
"laugh off" a threat from the second most powerful being in Marvel
Actuality ?
Why not? It's not like she did anything to him.

I've seen the Stranger actually having the nerve to threaten the LT
in a Silver Surfer issue, but that doesn't mean squat if they can't act on it.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Also the Warlock confrontation , imo , clearly shows that , at the
very least , Erishkigal w/ Starbrand+fully functional congress amp
is as great a threat to LT as Warlock w/IG .
Well, that's your opinion and I understand that.

But I disagree completely.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

And LT did indeed use the guilt trap on Warlock , by blackmailing
him with the "All reality will get destroyed in such a confraontation.
Is that what you want? Is that the type of god you are? " line.
The LT was giving Warlock a chance to give up the IG willingly.

There's nothing wrong with that, the LT isn't a cowboy looking for a fight.
He's always allowed (or given the chance to) lesser beings to fix their own problems,
like he spared the Earth so Dr Strange could fix the situation before the LT acted.

Warlock had just saved Reality from Nebula.

The LT doesn't "blackmail" ... he told Warlock the facts.

I have to take that glove off of ya by force, and everything around us dies.

That aside,
since the up coming run of Warlock and the Infinity Watch was about to be published,
we can see how Warlock needed to keep the glove,
and disperse these Gems himself to individuals to form said group.

Now you see why the LT was not allowed to stomp the IG out of Warlock's hand.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

IIRC , LT himself wasn't sure which way the fight would have
gone , yet he was unwilling to get in a direct confrontation with
Ersishkigal . However , if you still believe that even w/ the congress
amp, the IG is greater , then to each his own .

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/12023850_WA1.jpg

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12023955_WA2.jpg

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The LT's Handbook bio actually references "Infinity Watch #1"
as the issue where the LT demonstrated his superiority over the IG:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/12023958_IG.jpg

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In the "Chronicles" run, we learn that Warlock was "ordered" by the LT, and as we know he obeyed:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/12023943_ltorderswl0iy.jpg

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The 616 IG was such a potent force,
that it was actually a direct order from TOAA that ordered the last ban on the Gems:

(end of Infinity War)

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/t/887218_ill2.jpg

That says a lot.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Your opinions are
respected and welcome .
Likewise friend.

But it's much worse than laughing off the LT's threats. Look closely at the actual dialogue :
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1816/gangup.th.jpg
LT : "Heed me Erishkigal , I acknowledge you as a being of vast power.....a potential peer to the Abstract Entities.But not even you could withstand the unleashed powers of the Living Tribunal .Cease your disruption or I will enlist the highest powers in the multiverse to annihilate you!"
To which Erishkigal responds : "I don't respond well to threats , 3-face!"
Not only did she laugh off his threat to attack her, she laughed off the threat of him enlisting : THE HIGHET POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE to annihilate her!

The Starbrand got this.

Originally posted by zopzop

Not only did she laugh off his threat to attack her,
she laughed off the threat of him enlisting : THE HIGHET POWERS IN
THE MULTIVERSE to annihilate her!

So now the new one is, laugh at your opponent = you defeat, you can defeat, or you = your opponent.

Although other than begin to shift the Cosmic Axis via the stipulations,
she did absolutely nothing, like nothing at all to warrant such a status
amongst proven CCUs and the IG.

In any case, shifting the Cosmic Axis only hurts Space-Time (Eternity/infinity)
which unbalances reality causing Chaos to grow.

Big deal, when the IG stomped all of them like babies.

Look at the trouble Erishkigal had to go through to take down Eternity.

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As for the "HIGHEST POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE"

I've heard that before, and that was only to take out Korvac who
couldn't destroy a Universe under his own power.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/9738078_Kor6.jpg

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"


srugdoped

Originally posted by Mr Master
So now the new one is, laugh at your opponent = you defeat, you can defeat, or you = your opponent.

Although other than begin to shift the Cosmic Axis via the stipulations,
she did absolutely nothing, like nothing at all to warrant such a status
amongst proven CCUs and the IG.

In any case, shifting the Cosmic Axis only hurts Space-Time (Eternity/infinity)
which unbalances reality causing Chaos to grow.

Big deal, when the IG stomped all of them like babies.

Look at the trouble Erishkigal had to go through to take down Eternity.

***

As for the "HIGHEST POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE"

I've heard that before, and that was only to take out Korvac who
couldn't destroy a Universe under his own power.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/9738078_Kor6.jpg

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"


srugdoped

Good job with the Korvac reference book. But in my defense, that was a What If this was 616 reality.

Originally posted by zopzop

Good job with the Korvac reference.

Originally posted by zopzop

But in my defense, that was a What If this was 616 reality.
pfft

So , ultimately , both zopzop and MrMaster are saying that Thanos loses this fight ?