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Who wins?

Vulcan

Nova ground Vulcan.
Vulcan is an energy absorber. His face will become intimate with Ryder's fists.

Good match.

Could go either way imo

This could go either way. I can't think of a deciding opponent for this match. Good fight.

Nova

BB is class what?
Just asking cause Vulcan mauled him h2h.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nova

Good to see you back.

Originally posted by carver9
Good to see you back.

I'm sorry I don't feel the same way..




































Just playin.....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm sorry I don't feel the same way..




































Just playin.....

Lol...whatever. My buddy dmills was holding it down for Nova by himself.

U da man Carvster.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
U da man Carvster.

The name's Carter, actually

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm sorry I don't feel the same way..




































Just playin.....

Bwahahahaha!

Originally posted by carver9
This could go either way. I can't think of a deciding opponent for this match. Good fight.

Vulcan has a power-set that makes it difficult for blasters like Nova to beat him and he's very skilled with his powers at that. As boubou said earlier, Rider would prolly have to go purely physical with him. Mix in some speed, maybe his own energy manipulation abilities as well.

Nova Prime has better feats, and encounters.

But Vulcans powerset, leaves a question mark on anyone who wields energy against him....well anyone within his relative weight class.

I feel Vulcan has a slight advantage. He went hand to hand with black bolt? If so that's impressive. Not sure about his speed feats but I'm guessing nova has more showings.

Vulcan, imo.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
I feel Vulcan has a slight advantage. He went hand to hand with black bolt? If so that's impressive. Not sure about his speed feats but I'm guessing nova has more showings.
He mauled BB until he screamed at Gabriel.

He mauled Warlock as well along with the entire Xmen that had Rachel on the team. He also ran through the entire Shiar Empire by himself that consist of powerful Metas and low Heralds (and one High Herald). If Nova is winning this, he is going to have to actually fight smart, very smart.

Originally posted by carver9
He mauled Warlock as well along with the entire Xmen that had Rachel on the team. He also ran through the entire Shiar Empire by himself that consist of powerful Metas and low Heralds (and one High Herald). If Nova is winning this, he is going to have to actually fight smart, very smart.

Worldmind smart?

Nova is fast enough to blitz Vulcan.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Nova is fast enough to blitz Vulcan.

This will not be decided off of a blitz.

Vulcan got mauled by Gladiator who has in turn been mauled by Blackbolt who was mauled by Vulcan. Guess which one is an outlier here...

Hmm probably Vulcan

In a comicbook Nova would be stomped. "I'm an omega level mutant and this nova force is just energy"

Originally posted by dmills
Vulcan got mauled by Gladiator who has in turn been mauled by Blackbolt who was mauled by Vulcan. Guess which one is an outlier here...

Nova wouldnt do to well against Gladiator either though.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova wouldnt do to well against Gladiator either though.

Except he did against Xenith. He lasted a good while unlike Vulcan who got his face punched in and lost. Xenith stalemated Kallark in their fight during WOK: King Breaker. Nova would do far better than Vulcan.

Originally posted by carver9
He mauled Warlock as well along with the entire Xmen that had Rachel on the team. He also ran through the entire Shiar Empire by himself that consist of powerful Metas and low Heralds (and one High Herald). If Nova is winning this, he is going to have to actually fight smart, very smart.

He surprised attacked Warlock and absorbed Warlock's powers before Warlock got a chance. Then even with just strength he gave Vulcan enough trouble to evade and retreat.


This fight comes down to Nova Prime + World Mind + Gravimetric attacks + speed + star gate vs Vulcan + energy manipulations. Nova Prime is more experience and better strategically with WM's assistance than Vulcan and his tantrums. Sure he stood up against Bolt but Nova is far faster. Vulcan isn't matching Nova's speed to counter punch him in a fight.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Except he did against Xenith. He lasted a good while unlike Vulcan who got his face punched in and lost. Xenith stalemated Kallark in their fight during WOK: King Breaker. Nova would do far better than Vulcan.



He surprised attacked Warlock and absorbed Warlock's powers before Warlock got a chance. Then even with just strength he gave Vulcan enough trouble to evade and retreat.


This fight comes down to Nova Prime + World Mind + Gravimetric attacks + speed + star gate vs Vulcan + energy manipulations. Nova Prime is more experience and better strategically with WM's assistance than Vulcan and his tantrums. Sure he stood up against Bolt but Nova is far faster. Vulcan isn't matching Nova's speed to counter punch him in a fight.

Physically, Xenith was working him, he resorted to weakness exploiting which probably wouldn't work against someone like Gladiator who is more powerful than Xenith.

Uuuummm, Vulcan is one of the best energy manipulator in comics and Nova is a energy user. If Nova even plans on winning even 4 matches, he is going to have to fight like he's never fought against anyone before or everything he does could possibly reversed against him.

Originally posted by carver9
Physically, Xenith was working him, he resorted to weakness exploiting which probably wouldn't work against someone like Gladiator who is more powerful than Xenith.

Uuuummm, Vulcan is one of the best energy manipulator in comics and Nova is a energy user. If Nova even plans on winning even 4 matches, he is going to have to fight like he's never fought against anyone before or everything he does could possibly reversed against him.

He can manipulate powers, but Nova's skilled at using the power he has.

Moonstone was way more powerful at gravity manipulation. One compressed grav pulse was all it took to take her down.

Originally posted by carver9
Physically, Xenith was working him, he resorted to weakness exploiting which probably wouldn't work against someone like Gladiator who is more powerful than Xenith.

Uuuummm, Vulcan is one of the best energy manipulator in comics and Nova is a energy user. If Nova even plans on winning even 4 matches, he is going to have to fight like he's never fought against anyone before or everything he does could possibly reversed against him.

It went more like this. Nova was working her until he got distracted by brother Robbie. He just messed with her Stronthian ability to psionically enforce their strength to cut the fight short.

Originally posted by carver9
Nova wouldnt do to well against Gladiator either though.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/smh-1.gif

iOriginally posted by celeyhyga17
It went more like this. Nova was working her until he got distracted by brother Robbie. He just messed with her Stronthian ability to psionically enforce their strength to cut the fight short.

Maaan its good to have you back lol! See what I've been dealing with? Now its my turn to go on a near year long sabbatical and let you handle this madness. I hereby deputize you to the rank of Nova Prime

Nova decisively.

Oops. Wrong thread.

Originally posted by dmills
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Maaan its good to have you back lol! See what I've been dealing with? Now its my turn to go on a near year long sabbatical and let you handle this madness. I hereby deputize you to the rank of Nova Prime

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It went more like this. Nova was working her until he got distracted by brother Robbie. He just messed with her Stronthian ability to psionically enforce their strength to cut the fight short.

Nova was even drawing blood.

Although from the dialogue, he probably wasn't doing all that much damage. The Stronthian seemed more amused than threatened.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nova was even drawing blood.

Although from the dialogue, he probably wasn't doing all that much damage. The Stronthian seemed more amused than threatened.

U can also see it as her actually liking the pain. She is one crazee biatch after all. After the distraction with Robbie, we find that the brief change in momentum was greatly influenced by the fact that Richie was using his built in database for a quick resolution.

Does anyone have the scans for this fight?

Originally posted by carver9
Does anyone have the scans for this fight?

http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page1.jpg
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http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page4.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page5.jpg

Courtesy of Dmills.

^^^ Celey has them. But yeah, if a dude is reading his computer while you're punching him then that's prolly a good indication that you're outclassed. Plus he didn't even amp up with more Nova force to fight her. He fought her at his base levels and was also sharing his power with a large number of centurians. As we saw with Super Nova during the Star lost arc, even the power of a single centurian can make a big difference to the whole.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ Celey has them. But yeah, if a dude is reading his computer while you're punching him then that's prolly a good indication that you're outclassed. Plus he didn't even amp up with more Nova force to fight her. He fought her at his base levels and was also sharing his power with a large number of centurians.

I always saw it as him finding a quick resolution since he just found out his brother was alive. No point in a long drawn out slugfest when his main concern is the health of Robbie.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I always saw it as him finding a quick resolution since he just found out his brother was alive. No point in a long drawn out slugfest when his main concern is the health of Robbie.

I wasn't contradicting what you said. You're exactly right. Hearing about Robbie being alive, he went back to the even tempered, path of least resistance efficient Nova that we came to know in that last series, in contrast to him reverting for a few moments to the old quick tempered Nova from the New Warriors days. DnA letting us all know that the guy has matured or what not

Originally posted by dmills
I wasn't contradicting what you said. You're exactly right. Hearing about Robbie being alive, he went back to the even tempered, path of least resistance efficient Nova that we came to know in that last series, in contrast to him reverting for a few moments to the old quick tempered Nova from the New Warriors days. DnA letting us all know that the guy has matured or what not


Woops

Originally posted by carver9
Nova wouldnt do to well against Gladiator either though.

Originally posted by kgkg
Gladiators owns some Nova corp members. Damn Gladiator is officially an ass.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7626/nova1.th.jpghttp://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4430/nova2.th.jpghttp://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9594/nova3.th.jpghttp://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9054/nova4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb


Lol... Years ago carver actually thought that scan was relevant because he believed that guy was Nova Prime. I liked Tarcel though. Hope he comes back some day.

Originally posted by dmills
Lol... Years ago carver actually thought that scan was relevant because he believed that guy was Nova Prime. I liked Tarcel though. Hope he comes back some day. I just want to see what Carter turns it into.

Crap, most likely.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I just want to see what Carter turns it into.

Hehehe

Just want to advise that the fight Nova had with Glads cousin didn't go the way you all are describing it. First he snuck attacked her, then she allowed him to do what he did by the looks of it. Nova really didn't stand a chance.

lol

Originally posted by carver9
Just want to advise that the fight Nova had with Glads cousin didn't go the way you all are describing it. First he snuck attacked her, then she allowed him to do what he did by the looks of it. Nova really didn't stand a chance.

Judging by her fight with Kallark, she's not "that" far beneath him in raw power, consider he was trying to kill her and she not only survived it, but fought back. It was a short fight though.

And we know Gladiator walked all over the acting Nova Prime of the time, who lacked in experience but probably had similar power levels...

Still, Richard Rider was drawing blood with his punches. He was able to at least stagger her.

I agree, though, that he probably would have come up short in a slugfest, based on what his fellow Nova corpsman had to say, and on the Stronthians reaction to his assault, and even on Richards reaction of how tough his Nova-pedia claims her race is.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page2.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page3.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page4.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page5.jpg

Courtesy of Dmills.

Nova's still standing after those attacks and then beat her.

Vulcan got his faced wrecked and was on his knees against Gladiator.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/49782/2263993-vulcan1_super.jpg

This is a no brainer. Vulcan doesn't have the durability to take on Nova.

She didn't do anything to Gladiator during that fight except scratch him with her heat vision...after that, Gladiator had her in the choke hold and was about to finish it. She isn't comparable to Glads at all..he is above her.

@CDTM...that didn't look like blood to me, more like spit. Even Nova said she was invulnerable. He wouldn't have beaten her if it wasn't for the dampner.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

This is a no brainer. Vulcan doesn't have the durability to take on Nova.

But didn't Richard have trouble with Gladiator too?

I know they met at least a few times.

Originally posted by cdtm
But didn't Richard have trouble with Gladiator too?

I know they met at least a few times.

Kind of...the only time he really did anything against Gladiator is when he absorbed Gladiator power and sent it back at him a 100 fold. Plus Nova Prime is far more powerful than the Nova that fought Glads. Current Nova should give any high Herald fits but if Nova was to fight in the fashion his takeover fought at, he is getting killed.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5780/nova010zy.jpg
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Originally posted by cdtm
Judging by her fight with Kallark, she's not "that" far beneath him in raw power, consider he was trying to kill her and she not only survived it, but fought back. It was a short fight though.

And we know Gladiator walked all over the acting Nova Prime of the time, who lacked in experience but probably had similar power levels...

Still, Richard Rider was drawing blood with his punches. He was able to at least stagger her.

I agree, though, that he probably would have come up short in a slugfest, based on what his fellow Nova corpsman had to say, and on the Stronthians reaction to his assault, and even on Richards reaction of how tough his Nova-pedia claims her race is.

A few things.

Tarcel could never be nowhere near Rich in terms of power. He was a centurian granted the rank of Nova Prime and thus had an increase in portion of nova force that came with it. Rider had his body physically altered at the molecular level to actually house the entire Nova Force matrix and in fact houses it in his body thus making him a living conduit of sorts for its energy. No other primes save Super Nova share that distinction.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9910/1339390948picsay1339390.jpg
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2475/1339391132picsay1339391.jpg

As for Xenith. She's tough no doubt, but going by her past appearances while she's very formidable (gave some trouble to brb et al in the past), she's in the same league strength wise as other marvel strong women like Namora/Namorita, Ms Marvel, Titania etc. Erroneously listed as class 75 but functionally high class 90ish if being generous. Those chicks are formidable when bloodlusted like strontian was, but will still be beaten eventually by the higher tiered strongmen when not phucking around. As a matter of fact, I did some digging around because this fight kept bugging me because it was remarkably similar to a fight he had years ago with another chick in Xenith's strength class...

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9158/1339384776picsay1339384.jpg
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Namorita is the exact physical clone of Namora with the same physical stats, the only difference being that her strength wanes much faster when not hydrated. In that fight she was bloodlusted from dark force.

Orion solos.

Xenith is above class 70...she is a in the upper tier of strength, especially going by her showings against high tier beings.

Ok but Orion wins.

Because he is a motherfukker and thats what motherfukkers do.

Originally posted by carver9
Xenith is above class 70...she is a in the upper tier of strength, especially going by her showings against high tier beings.

I think she is too but I was just going by where Marvel had her. As I said functionally she's not in the upper tiers but she's about Thing level imo. Maybe slightly stronger maybe not. That combined with her speed and durability make her a very tough out if she's bloodlusted as she was during WoK.

Originally posted by dmills
I think she is too but I was just going by where Marvel had her. As I said functionally she's not in the upper tiers but she's about Thing level imo. Maybe slightly stronger maybe not. That combined with her speed and durability make her a very tough out if she's bloodlusted as she was during WoK.


Dunno man. She seems to be in the class 100 range and most probably above in tier compared to Thing. The way she embarrassed Ravenous was impressive as heck!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dunno man. She seems to be in the class 100 range and most probably above in tier compared to Thing. The way she embarrassed Ravenous was impressive as heck!

Yeah but how much run does Ravenous have in him sans the dogs?

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah but how much run does Ravenous have in him sans the dogs?

What Nova was saying about her, I feel safe to say that she is in the upper tier strength wise. Hell, Glads son is operating at a hier tier and he is a teenager and I feel safe to say that she is stronger than Gladiator child.

High class 100 imo. Wasn't it stated that Xenith and their race was capable of towing planets.?

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah but how much run does Ravenous have in him sans the dogs?

Troo.. I do agree about the dogs and surfer did overpower him in the end, but the way Xenith was just all over him was just over the top. She had him cowering like a little biatch. He was begging for Nova Corps to save his ass.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Troo.. I do agree about the dogs and surfer did overpower him in the end, but the way Xenith was just all over him was just over the top. She had him cowering like a little biatch. He was begging for Nova Corps to save his ass.

Check out Namorita or Namora.

Originally posted by carver9
High class 100 imo. Wasn't it stated that Xenith and their race was capable of towing planets.?

Not that I can recall, but you know how that goes.

Anyway I'd give Namora or Namorita good odds of taking her in pure h2h.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t512641.html

Originally posted by dmills
Not that I can recall, but you know how that goes.

Anyway I'd give Namora or Namorita good odds of taking her in pure h2h.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t512641.html

I think Xenith outclasses those two. She was tearing through anything and everything in Kingbreaker. She looked good against the Phoenix (Rachel) and was punching through Lorna's shields like nothing. Then of course we have her trouncing Ravenous in WoK. She was being portrayed as a true powerhouse. Her only hiccup was with Nova Prime. I just think she is tougher and probably more durable. In pure h2h, gotta go with crazy lady.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think Xenith outclasses those two. She was tearing through anything and everything in Kingbreaker. She looked good against the Phoenix (Rachel) and was punching through Lorna's shields like nothing. Then of course we have her trouncing Ravenous in WoK. She was being portrayed as a true powerhouse. Her only hiccup was with Nova Prime. I just think she is tougher and probably more durable. In pure h2h, gotta go with crazy lady.

This...

The lady was a true power house. Hell, her heat vision cut through Kallark easily and this was the same Kallark that withstood supernovas, etc, etc...it seemed like everyone that came her way, she trounced them.

She is upper class in strength imo. When I say upper class, I mean planetary.

I believe Nova Prime can win this, if he finds smartly with Worldmind. Vulcan got injured by Gladiator and I'm sure Nova can fight with him.

If I remember correctly she was also a member of Starmaster and was considered as gladiator equal in strength according to Surfer..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think Xenith outclasses those two. She was tearing through anything and everything in Kingbreaker. She looked good against the Phoenix (Rachel) and was punching through Lorna's shields like nothing. Then of course we have her trouncing Ravenous in WoK. She was being portrayed as a true powerhouse. Her only hiccup was with Nova Prime. I just think she is tougher and probably more durable. In pure h2h, gotta go with crazy lady.

http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/?action=view&current=Avengers_vs_Atlas_03_0005copy.jpg

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That's nor even comparable Mills.

I thought I'd never see the day in which I disagree with u dmills in a thread while agreeing with Carvster. Bahahaha... However this is one such thread. I guess my Nova Corps first mate status has been rescinded eh???

Originally posted by carver9
That's nor even comparable Mills.

It's not? Why?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought I'd never see the day in which I disagree with u dmills in a thread while agreeing with Carvster. Bahahaha... However this is one such thread. I guess my Nova Corps first mate status has been rescinded eh???

Lmao! That fact alone (agreement with carver ) should make you reconsider your position lol.

Could Nova use his stargates offensively?

Say, by opening one up inside Vulcan?