Anti-Monitor vs Franklin Richards
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CosmicComet
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Cogito
COIE AM ragestomps
SCW AM loses
Galan007
^
Zenophobe
Why does Franklin look like a homeless man?
Cogito
It's the look of the future.
I can't wait to get me a pair of those sweet shoes
MF DELPH
Depends on whether Franklin can manipulate anti-matter.
If so, I'd actually take Franklin because Anti-Monitor's high end ability was a result of his Anti-Matter wave consuming various universes and increasing his personal powers. That wasn't his normal power level.
Galan007
While anti-matter waves were AM's bread and butter, he had other abilities aside from just that. For instance, he owned ALL of the Guardians simultaneously, via manipulating the energies of the Central Battery itself:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12221977_am1.jpg
That feat is hugely impressive, imo.
Zenophobe
Originally posted by Cogito
It's the look of the future.
I can't wait to get me a pair of those sweet shoes
The way he's standing, I think he may have soiled himself!
Parmaniac
Originally posted by Zenophobe
Why does Franklin look like a homeless man? Homeless people are crazy powerful in marvel, ask this guy.
http://i.discuss.com.hk/d/attachments/day_120510/20120510_077ce7bc88b706412676u1LTUAKGk6wJ.jpg
Zenophobe
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Homeless people are crazy powerful in marvel, ask this guy.
http://i.discuss.com.hk/d/attachments/day_120510/20120510_077ce7bc88b706412676u1LTUAKGk6wJ.jpg
Luke Cage at times reminds me of Kimbo Slice.....
Parmaniac
By lloking at the pic the One above all reminds me of Julian Richings
Zenophobe
Originally posted by Parmaniac
By lloking at the pic the One above all reminds me of Julian Richings
Haha :-)
JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Cogito
COIE AM ragestomps
SCW AM loses
ThereIsHope
Yup classic Anti Monitor doesnt even notice Franklin till he says "hey is that a fly GRR CRUSH. Ok back to destroying all reality" Thats basically how the battle goes.
MF DELPH
Originally posted by Galan007
While anti-matter waves were AM's bread and butter, he had other abilities aside from just that. For instance, he owned ALL of the Guardians simultaneously, via manipulating the energies of the Central Battery itself:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12221977_am1.jpg
That feat is hugely impressive, imo.
I'll have to re-read COIE then because I'm fairly certain AM had consumed universes via the anti-matter wave prior to that encounter.
Galan007
^ AM had destroyed "more than 1,000 universes" at that point--which is an infinitesimal micro-fraction next to the amount of universes he had destroyed by the end of the event.
Regardless, all I was saying is that he isn't limited solely to anti-matter-based attacks.
MF DELPH
Oh, ok, gotcha.
Then let me clarify. What I meant by my previous post wasn't that AM was limited to anti-matter attacks only. What I was saying was that COIE Anti-Monitor was amped via the Anti-Matter Wave consuming all of those universes. At his regular power levels (as he would be at in this match) I think Franklin can beat him (because regular power levels, haven't consumed 1,000+ universes in COIE Anti-Monitor = Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor, and he's suspect).
Galan007
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Oh, ok, gotcha.
Then let me clarify. What I meant by my previous post wasn't that AM was limited to anti-matter attacks only. What I was saying was that COIE Anti-Monitor was amped via the Anti-Matter Wave consuming all of those universes. At his regular power levels (as he would be at in this match) I think Franklin can beat him (because regular power levels, haven't consumed 1,000+ universes in COIE Anti-Monitor = Sinestro Corps War Anti-Monitor, and he's suspect). Oh ok. Could very well be.
However, I've always had a theory that base-level COIE Anti-Monitor was a multiversal power. Here's why...
The original Monitor was linked with ALL positive matter throughout the multiverse. That's why AM's rampage was weakening him so severely--he was being cut off from his power source(s), universe by universe:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12230106_am2.jpg
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That said, when AM and the original Monitor first battled eons ago, this statement caught my eye...
"And so they began a war which lasted one million years... A war waged with EQUAL power":
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12230096_am1.jpg
So if the energy of the positive matter multiverse flows through Monitor, then the same amount of anti-matter energy would have to flow through Anti-Monitor for their war to be waged with "EQUAL power." That said, they both *should* have possessed multiversal power, no?
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And I view SCW Anti-Monitor as far weaker still...
"You are still not fully reborn under that armor, Anti-Monitor":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12230279_am3.jpg
MF DELPH
Not so sure about that because Anti-Monitor eventially consumes the Anti-Matter universe as well in COIE, iirc, so he ate/absorbed his own powersource that he was already connected to gain what? I think it's just that he and Monitor are opposites and equals until AM's actions tipped the balance. There's obviously a connection betwen them and the matter/anti-matter makeup of the DC Multiverse, but I don't believe they both have the equivalent power of half a multiverse each. The Anti-Matter Universe (there was only one) was equal in size to the positive matter multiverse (positive matter being split up into various universes). Once AM started consuming those universes the power balance shifted from equal to anti.
It also made no sense that Monitor didn't just engage him in combat before he began the universe absorptions, but you know.
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Just to clarify, I think there's a connection, but not necessary that the entirety of multiversal halves were all "power source" for the Monitors, just had an effect on their reserves based on the balance.
lilshogun
Using Spectre has a benchmark, Franklin Richard loses.
Galan007
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Not so sure about that because Anti-Monitor eventially consumes the Anti-Matter universe as well in COIE, iirc, so he ate/absorbed his own powersource that he was already connected to gain what? I think it's just that he and Monitor are opposites and equals until AM's actions tipped the balance. There's obviously a connection betwen them and the matter/anti-matter makeup of the DC Multiverse, but I don't believe they both have the equivalent power of half a multiverse each. The Anti-Matter Universe (there was only one) was equal in size to the positive matter multiverse (positive matter being split up into various universes). Once AM started consuming those universes the power balance shifted from equal to anti.
It also made no sense that Monitor didn't just engage him in combat before he began the universe absorptions, but you know.
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Just to clarify, I think there's a connection, but not necessary that the entirety of multiversal halves were all "power source" for the Monitors, just had an effect on their reserves based on the balance. Could be.
I just think of the multiverse as a pool of power from which Monitor draws his energy--same with the anti-matter universe and AM. Imo, it wouldn't make sense for them to be engaged in a war that lasted a million years, without using all of the power at their disposal. That said, because the infinite multiverse was Monitor's 'power source', AM would have needed to be able to draw the same level of power from the anti-matter universe for them to be "equal" (hence my theory regarding AM possessing multiversal-level power.)
Just a theory. *shrugs*
MF DELPH
Part of this was retconned in Final Crisis anyway, right? Aren't they just a split probe now?
Galan007
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Part of this was retconned in Final Crisis anyway, right? Aren't they just a split probe now? Yeah per FC, that is how the Monitor and Anti-Monitor were created--they were originally one probe designed by the Primal Monitor to investigate the multiverse. However, upon entering the multiverse they were split in two by the stories they encountered there (the concept of "story" had no meaning to them until then--thus, they had no defense against it.) Originally, COIE had the Monitors randomly form on a moon of Oa and Qward, for no real reason--which always seemed rushed/stupid to me. FC's origin was way better, imo:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12231150_m1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12231151_m2.jpg
But their origins are all that was really retconned.
MF DELPH
Well, their original origin had Krona's experiment causing them to be created in the resulting fracturing of the multiverse (which gave them a connection to said multiverse/anti-matter universe). The retcon places their origin as independent to and resultant of the multiverse's discovery (as an external probe sent by the Primal Monitor) which removes their connection to the multiverse outright, and just incorporates that entry into the DC Multiverse by the probe caused an adverse reaction splitting it along positive and negative/good and evil, resulting in Monitor and Anti-Monitor.
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