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Zero Hour Parallax
Classic Ion

vs


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Adult Franklin Richards
True Legion

Team 2 .

Mr Richards solos

Parallax.

Team 1

Team 2 wins.

I think Parallax is the strongest here. He turns the tide, IMO.

Ion > Parallax

Team 1 wins.

Didn't 'true' Legion preform a feat similar to that of ZH Parallax? I don't remember...

i don't know much about ZH Parallax and Classic Ion..but from what i heard..they seems to be on Legion level..if that's true..Franklin has no business being here..i don't think he's that powerful

Hickman's run has concluded. Go!

Team 1 easily.

Originally posted by Cogito
Team 1

team 2

Originally posted by abhilegend
Team 1 easily. the match is far from being easy.

Originally posted by "Id"
the match is far from being easy.
It is.

I'd go with team 1 as well.

Think it'd be a hard-fought battle, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It is.
Fine case of durlogics

Originally posted by "Id"
Fine case of durlogics
Says the guy who went to herochat creating the same thread after I owned him here. dur indeed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Says the guy who went to herochat creating the same thread after I owned him here. dur indeed.
How very fangirl of you.

Now do you have an actual point to make, or will you simply waste space?

Originally posted by "Id"
How very fangirl of you.

Now do you have an actual point to make, or will you simply waste space?
Was that supposed to be a retort?

I already made my point.Originally posted by abhilegend
Team 1 easily.
You're the one who is wasting space with posts like these.Originally posted by "Id"
Fine case of durlogics

Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't 'true' Legion preform a feat similar to that of ZH Parallax? I don't remember...

He created the AoA (weird retcon).
Crested a back universe, and moved the contents of main reality into his backup.
Stuffed reality in a box, and planned to rebuilt from scratch.


In terms warping and creating. Legion seems more impressive than Hal.

Someone get team 2 some stitches and butt pads.

Team 1 stomps.

Legion >Parallax Fact!

Go!

Parallax was affecting the multiverse wasn't he?

He inadvertently(key word) mucked with several time lines.

Kid Franklin created multiple realities, Nexus point included n all.

Go!

Split.

Still team 1.

Originally posted by Cogito
Team 1

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Parallax was affecting the multiverse wasn't he? According to Waverider he was affecting infinite worlds which is..just that..infinite

Legion was able to create the AOX storyline which would put at a universal level on a good day

Parallax can probably solo

Parallax was taxed quite heavily when he was forming his incomplete plasma universe. That sort of strain makes him look much less omnipotent relatively than Franklin who, as a kid, was unwittingly creating universes.

As for True Legion? If you didn't read Age of X, then read it. He didn't just create universes, he stuffed universes into boxes like we do christmas presents. And took them out just the same.

Originally posted by "Id"

Kid Franklin created multiple realities, Nexus point included n all.


Wasn't that an "illusion?" ... even literally stated Not to be "real?"

I believe I saw Howard the Duck himself manipulating "reality" there when
he realized it was all just make-believe.
(actually it wasn't "reality" but in fact, "Un-Reality" ... (not real?)

Course, this doesn't take away from the fact that kid Franky can/has
created working Pocket Universes. (Hickman's run)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Parallax was affecting the multiverse wasn't he?
When Legion affected reality 616, he inadvertently did so to the entire continuum. Literately stuffed reality 616, and its divergent timelines in a box.
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Wasn't that an "illusion?" ... even literally stated Not to be "real?"

I believe I saw Howard the Duck himself manipulating "reality" there when
he realized it was all just make-believe.
(actually it wasn't "reality" but in fact, "Un-Reality" ... (not real?)

Course, this doesn't take away from the fact that kid Franky can/has
created working Pocket Universes. (Hickman's run)
Not real in the sense of how history progressed itself through natural means, but how reality, and its history was nothing more than the manufacturing of his mind.

^^ What are the exact issues covering that Legion arc Id?
Originally posted by "Id"

Not real in the sense of how history progressed itself through natural
means, but how reality, and its history was nothing more than the
manufacturing of his mind.
I don't follow friend. I just finished reading the arc to make sure,
I know exactly what happened now, I have some scans cropped,
but if you could phrase that differently cause it lost me.

Love Franklin still like T1 winning

Originally posted by "Id"
When Legion affected reality 616, he inadvertently did so to the entire continuum. Literately stuffed reality 616, and its divergent timelines in a box.
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16332553_New_Mutants_24_0021.jpg



Not real in the sense of how history progressed itself through natural means, but how reality, and its history was nothing more than the manufacturing of his mind.


that was when he repaired everything though, not when he put creation in a box, and the box only contained the universe, it was proven multiple times on panel, 1 example, new mutants #23:

http://i.imgur.com/U3REtvY.jpg

never was it mentioned that the multiverse was contained in the box.

what's also impressive about that arc, is that moira - a manifestation of legion's personality - managed to warp reality and become god (omnipotent and omnipresent).


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regarding franklin's feat in daydreamers - the handbook doesn't say that what he created was unreal:

http://i.imgur.com/Qgu7cgW.jpg?1

not to mention that man thing was dying, since the energies that franklin was channeling were too powerful (obviously, he wouldn't be dying due to an unreal event)

http://i.imgur.com/k6WKDZn.jpg?1

and honestly speaking, franklin is capable of such feat, his potential has no limits, he was even once called an omniversal threat, in fantastic force #17:

http://i.imgur.com/VCHh58b.jpg

Originally posted by operator616

not to mention that man thing was dying, since the energies that
franklin was channeling were too powerful (obviously, he wouldn't be
dying due to an unreal event)

http://i.imgur.com/k6WKDZn.jpg?1
Yea, I read the arc. I'm just stating what was stated several times in the story.

I'll return.
Originally posted by operator616

and honestly speaking, franklin is capable of such feat, his
potential has no limits, he was even once called an omniversal threat,
in fantastic force #17:
I can't see how an empty claim about Psi-Lord helps here friend.
Psi-Lord's top feat is a universal one,
it was stated he's a universal power by a witness of said feat.
There's nothing to suggest he was anything more let-alone "omniversal."

Psi-Lord hauled ass out of said universe he destroyed,
or he would've died too. Vanguaard (a universal power on an omniversal scale)
on the other hand, withstood the universal implosion unharmed.

Parallax is too much here

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, I read the arc. I'm just stating what was stated several times in the story.

I'll return.

I can't see how an empty claim about Psi-Lord helps here friend.
Psi-Lord's top feat is a universal one,
it was stated he's a universal power by a witness of said feat.
There's nothing to suggest he was anything more let-alone "omniversal."

Psi-Lord hauled ass out of said universe he destroyed,
or he would've died too. Vanguaard (a universal power on an omniversal scale)
on the other hand, withstood the universal implosion unharmed.

the whole point of that story is - franklin not being able to cope with his parents' death, in other words he was not being able to face reality, that's why the dark hunter stated that franklin is hiding in unreality.

the handbook (and i have more than the one i already posted) doesn't mention that the realms he created weren't real, that would be an important detail to miss, wouldn't you agree?

More-so, the fact that the energies franklin was channeling were too much for man-thing to handle, makes me believe that what he created was the real thing.

that was to support my claim that franklin is potentially capable of such a feat in case you (or anyone else) thought otherwise. Not everyone gets to be called an omniversal threat.

Originally posted by operator616

the whole point of that story is - franklin not being able to cope
with his parents' death, in other words he was not being able to face
reality, that's why the dark hunter stated that franklin is hiding in unreality.
the handbook (and i have more than the one i already posted) doesn't
mention that the realms he created weren't real, that would be an
important detail to miss, wouldn't you agree?
More-so, the fact that the energies franklin was channeling were too
much for man-thing to handle, makes me believe that what he created
was the real thing.
Thanx for explaining the story, but like I said, I read the arc.
That aside, "handbooks" are not my primary source of info,
On Panel depictions are, and if "handbooks" contradict on panel showings,
then they're meaningless.

opr, understand though, I'm not saying you're wrong here,
but let me return with my perspective before we proceed.
Originally posted by operator616

that was to support my claim ...
Not everyone gets to be called an omniversal threat.
Cool, and that's true.
But if the person being exalted via statements has no reason for such precedence,
then it's hyperbole as you know good friend. (like phoenix)
Which would be Psi-Lord's case.