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An "Endless" stalemate of a "fight" where neither side can do anything to the other.

They get bored of it and go about their usual business.

Nice sig. Who is your favorite Black Lantern? Mine is Deathstorm.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Nice sig. Who is your favorite Black Lantern? Mine is Deathstorm.
Thanks!
As to who my fav BL is : BL Kal-L, by far.

Death tells him to leave, and he does just that and bfr's himself!

Death.

If that little blurb in Luthor's run in Action Comics was anything, it seemed to imply that for all his power, Nekron was still just an aspect of Death.

Originally posted by kevdude
Death tells him to leave, and he does just that and bfr's himself!
Yeah......no.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Death.

If that little blurb in Luthor's run in Action Comics was anything, it seemed to imply that for all his power, Nekron was still just an aspect of Death.
But he isn't "just and aspect of Death". He's the darkness that existed BEFORE the Creation Event (stated on panel). He also owns 1/3 of the nether realms. The Presence rules "Heaven", Lucifer rules/ruled "Hell", Nekron rules the realm inbetween the two.

He's like a Death/Oblivion mix abstract.

Death wins for being sexier

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Death wins for being sexier
I actually think Nekron is sexier, but to each his own.............

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, bitches!

Originally posted by zopzop
I actually think Nekron is sexier, but to each his own.............

And people make fun of me for my fetishes...

Nekron is merely an aspect of the concept Death embodies.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nekron is merely an aspect of the concept Death embodies.
How is that possible if he's older than her or the rest of the Endless?

Nekron is older than the Endless?

If he predates existence, he would be.

Isn't Nekron the embodiment of the absence of life, not death?

There is a difference.

nekron basically said he was death.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
nekron basically said he was death.
True, didn't Gaiman go berserk when another writer broke Death down like this : Black Racer - Death as Inevitability, Death of the Endless - Death as Compassionate Release, Nekron - Death as the Ultimate Foe?

But anyway he's more than simply a Death abstract.
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9035/nekronspaceatoms.th.jpg
He's sentient Darkness, the empty space between atoms and planets. Aka the void.

Here he is confirming this to the Spectre -
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4193/nekronnosouldarkness.th.jpg

I'm not saying he beats Death but she sure as hell isn't beating Nekron and he's in no way beneath her power wise.

^ How does that make him older than the Endless?

I'd go with the endless, If Vertigo is anything to go by and via extension The Endless were the first beings to exist at all right after Lucifer and Michael.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ How does that make him older than the Endless?
Silence!

That wasn't what I was getting at in that post. Just merely pointing out he's far more than an aspect of Death or even "just" a Death abstract.

Originally posted by zopzop
Silence!

That wasn't what I was getting at in that post. Just merely pointing out he's far more than an aspect of Death or even "just" a Death abstract. Oh okay.

Thought this was interesting...

Lex: "The attack of the Black Lanterns! the dead rising! That's what this is about, isn't it? It was you behind that!"
Death: "Oh yeah. I noticed that. It looked like they were all having a great time. You know, people do come back from the dead. It's not a big deal... I AM kind of busy.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349492_06.jpg

Lex: "The dead have come back to life! Several of them!"
Death: "It happens! In the end, they ALL come back to ME.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349494_07.jpg


Death seemed to treat the entire Blackest Night affair like it was nothing at all. An insignificant event she hardly even noticed. Funny.

Lol, Neil Gaiman was so butthurt.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh okay.

Thought this was interesting...

Lex: "The attack of the Black Lanterns! the dead rising! That's what this is about, isn't it? It was you behind that!"
Death: "Oh yeah. I noticed that. It looked like they were all having a great time. You know, people do come back from the dead. It's not a big deal... I AM kind of busy.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349492_06.jpg

Lex: "The dead have come back to life! Several of them!"
Death: "It happens! In the end, they ALL come back to ME.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349494_07.jpg


Death seemed to treat the entire Blackest Night affair, like it was nothing at all. An insignificant event she hardly even noticed. Funny.
Because for her it was. Ultimately the zombies were put down and Nekron was banished, since by definition he's NOT allowed to be in the living universe. The situation was self correcting.

And technically they do not come back to her. Some go to the Silver City, some go to Hell, some go to Nekron's Realm.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Lol, Neil Gaiman was so butthurt.
Yup. They had to get his highness's permission to use the Death character and you KNOW he wasn't about to let them eclipse that over rated hag. Ghey.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh okay.

Thought this was interesting...

Lex: "The attack of the Black Lanterns! the dead rising! That's what this is about, isn't it? It was you behind that!"
Death: "Oh yeah. I noticed that. It looked like they were all having a great time. You know, people do come back from the dead. It's not a big deal... I AM kind of busy.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349492_06.jpg

Lex: "The dead have come back to life! Several of them!"
Death: "It happens! In the end, they ALL come back to ME.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349494_07.jpg


Death seemed to treat the entire Blackest Night affair like it was nothing at all. An insignificant event she hardly even noticed. Funny.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. They had to get his highness's permission to use the Death character and you KNOW he wasn't about to let them eclipse that over rated hag. Ghey.

im confused. why is gaiman butthurt?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He acted like a pussy over the whole ordeal.

"ohnoes some vaguely deathy character>Mine".

You don't see Marv Wolfman getting that butthurt over his origin story for the Anti-Monitor and Monitor being retconned (As far as I know, admittedly could be wrong).

Originally posted by Prep-Man
im confused. why is gaiman butthurt? Because Gaiman doesn't want his characters used again outside his own series.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
im confused. why is gaiman butthurt?
Multiple reasons. But it began back in 1987 in an issue of Captain Atom 42. Captain Atom dies and goes on a little journey through the after life.

He sees Black Racer, which introduces himself as death. Then he sees Death of the Endless and she also says she's death. This is before confronting Nekron (I think it was before) and he is also described as death.

When asked how this is possible death says Death is a big concept. Black Racer is Death as an inevitability. Death of the Endless is Death as compassionate release. Nekron is Death as the ultimate foe.

This pissed off his majesty and he said his Death was the one true Death. So far as I know this has never been stated on panel. It's just Gaiman being a little b|tch@ss whiner.

Originally posted by zopzop
Because for her it was. Ultimately the zombies were put down and Nekron was banished, since by definition he's NOT allowed to be in the living universe. The situation was self correcting.

And technically they do not come back to her. Some go to the Silver City, some go to Hell, some go to Nekron's Realm.

No they all do come back to her, in that what she means is no matter where they go/think their going, they're always collected by her, as she's not just a god of death/lord of a realm where dead souls go, she literally IS death in every sense of the word. Be it from goldfish to universes, she is the thing that collects them as they die.

It's why she's considered so powerful and the only Endless who is really unstopable- noone is beyond her in the end (except the Presence I guess). I mean, it's shown in Books of Magic that at the end of the universe she collects Destiny and then the entire universe. The fact that she ends up beyond Destiny is particularly interesting, as it's been shown that Destiny is the foundation upon which the universe is built ("cause and effect is a useful tool, but not one that should be used as a foundation" what Lucifer says to Destiny).

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
No they all do come back to her, in that what she means is no matter where they go/think their going, they're always collected by her, as she's not just a god of death/lord of a realm where dead souls go, she literally IS death in every sense of the word. Be it from goldfish to universes, she is the thing that collects them as they die.

It's why she's considered so powerful and the only Endless who is really unstopable- noone is beyond her in the end (except the Presence I guess). I mean, it's shown in Books of Magic that at the end of the universe she collects Destiny and then the entire universe. The fact that she ends up beyond Destiny is particularly interesting, as it's been shown that Destiny is the foundation upon which the universe is built ("cause and effect is a useful tool, but not one that should be used as a foundation" what Lucifer says to Destiny).
This means nothing to Nekron. If anything she's his mead wench. Fetching the souls that must ultimately pass through his realm to either Heaven or Hell.

And she can do anything she wants to the universe and it won't affect negatively on Nekron, seeing as how he's literally the empty space between atoms and planets. What's Death of the Endless going to do to the Void who also has his own realm outside of the physical universe wedged inbetween Heaven and Hell that ALL souls must pass through?!

Isn't Destiny explicitly stated to be the oldest and most powerful Endless?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Isn't Destiny explicitly stated to be the oldest and most powerful Endless?
Oldest, yes (on panel proof is available). Most powerful? No (I've never seen it but I'm no expert on the Endless).

Quick question, has this ever been retconned ON PANEL (don't bother linking to interviews with Gaiman whining, I want on panel evidence)?
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9370/death1bu.th.jpg http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/1369/death2.th.jpg http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5695/death3.th.jpg http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/379/death4.th.jpg
Black Racer : Death as Inevitability
Death of the Endless : Death as Compassionate Release
Nekron : Death as COSMIC Certainty, the Ultimate Opponent

PS, here's Marvel's middle finger to Prince Gaiman
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2593/funeilgaiman.th.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop


PS, here's Marvel's middle finger to Prince Gaiman
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2593/funeilgaiman.th.jpg
Great scan. Mistress Death is truly greater than the other embodiments of death.

Originally posted by NemeBro He acted like a pussy over the whole ordeal. "ohnoes some vaguely deathy character>Mine". You don't see Marv Wolfman getting that butthurt over his origin story for the Anti-Monitor and Monitor being retconned (As far as I know, admittedly could be wrong).

over which death character? and Paul cornell asked permission to use Death in his superman arc. Gaiman gave his blessings as cornell is a respected writer. and that arc was one of the best superman stories i have read involving luthor.

Originally posted by zopzop Multiple reasons. But it began back in 1987 in an issue of Captain Atom 42. Captain Atom dies and goes on a little journey through the after life. He sees Black Racer, which introduces himself as death. Then he sees Death of the Endless and she also says she's death. This is before confronting Nekron (I think it was before) and he is also described as death. When asked how this is possible death says Death is a big concept. Black Racer is Death as an inevitability. Death of the Endless is Death as compassionate release. Nekron is Death as the ultimate foe. This pissed off his majesty and he said his Death was the one true Death. So far as I know this has never been stated on panel. It's just Gaiman being a little b|tch@ss whiner.

i dont blame him. most of those death concepts suck. except for black flash.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
i dont blame him. most of those death concepts suck. except for black flash.
Meh!
Nekron and Black Racer were around before Gaiman came up with his Endless.

Respect Nekron and Black Racer!evil

Originally posted by zopzop Meh! Nekron and Black Racer were around before Gaiman came up with his Endless. Respect Nekron and Black Racer!evil

nekron has low showings like losing to captain atom in his own realm. black racer is just a stupid guy with skis and dc has one more Death i am not familiar with. vertigs death actually has a mini series and is much more interesting. plus hot, gothic chicks rule. Gaiman ftw.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
nekron has low showings like losing to captain atom in his own realm. black racer is just a stupid guy with skis and dc has one more Death i am not familiar with. vertigs death actually has a mini series and is much more interesting. plus hot, gothic chicks rule. Gaiman ftw.

True indeed Prep! Have you read: The Girl Who Would Be Death?

Originally posted by zopzop
Quick question, has this ever been retconned ON PANEL (don't bother linking to interviews with Gaiman whining, I want on panel evidence)?
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9370/death1bu.th.jpg http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/1369/death2.th.jpg http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5695/death3.th.jpg http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/379/death4.th.jpg
Black Racer : Death as Inevitability
Death of the Endless : Death as Compassionate Release
Nekron : Death as COSMIC Certainty, the Ultimate Opponent

PS, here's Marvel's middle finger to Prince Gaiman
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2593/funeilgaiman.th.jpg
Aside from Gaiman (and a few other writers, inc. Mike Carey, writer of Lucifer) reiterating time and time again that Death of the Endless is the one true 'version' of death on a conceptual level... There's also this:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12350228_d1.jpg
Death is the last/only thing to survive when the universe finally comes to an absolute end. After taking Destiny, her final task is to: "Put all in order, and lock behind her as she leaves." Aside from her, absolutely NOTHING existed--she took ALL.

The above was also confirmed when Dream/Delirium remarked that Death would be the only one of them who outlasts the universe:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12350291_d2.jpg


...And the fact that she didn't give a single phuck about Nekron's little tangent (of which threatened the universe) further tells us the level in which she operates...

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from Gaiman (and a few other writers, inc. Mike Carey, writer of Lucifer) reiterating time and time again that Death of the Endless is the one true 'version' of death on a conceptual level... There's also this:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12350228_d1.jpg
Death is the last/only thing to survive when the universe finally comes to an absolute end. After taking Destiny, her final task is to: "Put all in order, and lock behind her as she leaves." Aside from her, absolutely NOTHING existed--she took everything.

The above was also confirmed when Dream/Delirium remarked that Death would be the only one of them who outlasts the universe:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12350291_d2.jpg


...And the fact that she didn't give a single phuck about Nekron's little tangent (of which threatened the universe) further tells us the level in which she operates...
Proof?

What does this universe matter to Nekron? He isn't even native to it! His home realm is outside the physical universe sandwiched between Heaven and Hell and all souls must pass through it to their final judgement.

Face it, he's completely beyond her. He's the Void between the atoms that comprise this universe, he's the living darkness that existed prior to the living universe, and he's Lord of Purgatory where all souls must pass.

He exists everywhere and nowhere in the physical universe (the space between atoms) AND Purgatory.

His mead wench isn't doing jack.

^ You need to hop off Nekron's bone. You asked if the 'multiple versions of Death' BS had ever been retconned. It was to that question that I replied.

Anyway, Death wins. She embodies a concept that is simply beyond Nekron (a character so powafull that he requires a phuck-load of outside assistance just to exit his own realm, lol.) Thank you for helping me understand that.
/

Originally posted by kevdude True indeed Prep! Have you read: The Girl Who Would Be Death?

nope. never have.

at zop zop, do you put nekron on the same level as oblivion or chaos king?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
at zop zop, do you put nekron on the same level as oblivion or chaos king?
Yes, he's an abstract being their level. Like Marvel's Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Order, Chaos, etc.. I used to think he was a mere Death God like Hela or Walker but I was dead wrong.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ You need to hop off Nekron's bone. You asked if the 'multiple versions of Death' BS had ever been retconned. It was to that question that I replied.

Anyway, Death wins. She embodies a concept that is simply beyond Nekron (a character so powafull that he requires a phuck-load of outside assistance just to exit his own realm, lol.) Thank you for helping me understand that.
/
Yes, I was asking for proof that the versions of Death thing had been retconned. On panel, not interviews.

Death is NOT beyond Nekron. He already exists in the living universe as the void between atoms (stated on panel) AND he also exists as Lord Of Purgatory. He exists both inside and outside the living universe. His prison/kingdom is between Heaven and Hell and souls must pass through it for final judgement.

His mead wench isn't doing sh|t against him except fetching him souls that feed him more power.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
nope. never have.

Gotta read it sometime, its about a cult that worships her (Death). Pretty good comic that shows not to mess with her!

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, he's an abstract being their level. Like Marvel's Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Order, Chaos, etc.. I used to think he was a mere Death God like Hela or Walker but I was dead wrong.

Yes, I was asking for proof that the versions of Death thing had been retconned. On panel, not interviews.

Death is NOT beyond Nekron. Everything I mentioned happened "on panel". Additionally, the scan I posted SHOWS us that Death of the Endless is the final thing left at the absolute end of the universe--no other versions of death still exist. Doesn't get any clearer that she is it.

And yes, Death is WELL beyond Nekron now that I think about it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh okay.

Thought this was interesting...

Lex: "The attack of the Black Lanterns! the dead rising! That's what this is about, isn't it? It was you behind that!"
Death: "Oh yeah. I noticed that. It looked like they were all having a great time. You know, people do come back from the dead. It's not a big deal... I AM kind of busy.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349492_06.jpg

Lex: "The dead have come back to life! Several of them!"
Death: "It happens! In the end, they ALL come back to ME.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349494_07.jpg


Death seemed to treat the entire Blackest Night affair like it was nothing at all. An insignificant event she hardly even noticed. Funny.

She's such a G!

Originally posted by Prep-Man
i dont blame him. most of those death concepts suck. except for black flash.

Weren't Black Flash and Black Racer retconned to be the same being?

Dear Zozop,


I thought I should point this out, in case you missed it:
Originally posted by Galan007
^ You need to hop off Nekron's bone.


Sincerely, your good friend,

Horrificus

PS: "Hop off Nekron's bone." Hehe. That's funny.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Dear Zozop,


I thought I should point this out, in case you missed it:



Sincerely, your good friend,

Horrificus

PS: "Hop off Nekron's bone." Hehe. That's funny.

Never! Why don't you and Galan hop on? There's room for more (he's an abstract being so he can be in multiple places at a time, it wouldn't be all uncomfortable, you know three guys, one c0ck). And since he's not really male or female, there's nothing to be ashamed of (you know how SOME people are)! Win/win all the way around!

Originally posted by zopzop
Never! Why don't you and Galan hop on? There's room for more (he's an abstract being so he can be in multiple places at a time, it wouldn't be all uncomfortable, you know three guys, one c0ck). And since he's not really male or female, there's nothing to be ashamed of (you know how SOME people are)! Win/win all the way around! Hehe!
Yer a bad, bad person.

Originally posted by Galan007

Death is the last/only thing to survive when the universe finally comes
to an absolute end.
That's just like Mistress Death.

Miss Death has outlived the Eternity on two occasions.

When Korvac deleted Earth-82432.

When Thanos deleted 616 & change.

It seems her realm/essence which is outside space & time
will never be affect by the consequences of Reality. (space/time)

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's just like Mistress Death.

Miss Death has outlived the Eternity on two occasions.

When Korvac deleted Earth-82432.

When Thanos deleted 616 & change.

It seems her realm/essence which is outside space & time
will never be affect by the consequences of Reality. (space/time)
I'm surprised you didn't work in a scan of Dr. Strange talking to Eternity.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's just like Mistress Death.

Miss Death has outlived the Eternity on two occasions.

When Korvac deleted Earth-82432.

When Thanos deleted 616 & change.

It seems her realm/essence which is outside space & time
will never be affect by the consequences of Reality. (space/time) Because there are beings in Marvel who have become more powerful than Death (circumstantial or not), I have never viewed her in quite the same light as I do Death of the Endless.

But yeah, they're essentially the same thing. Both embody Death.

Originally posted by Galan007

Because there are beings in Marvel who have become more powerful than Death

(circumstantial or not),

Aren't there beings in DC more powerful than Endless Death?

I bet you can up with 5 in a snap and 10 if you give it some thought.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Aren't there beings in DC more powerful than Endless Death?

I bet you can up with 5 in a snap and 10 if you give it some thought. Definitely. I can think of 5 right off the top of my head but somehow he will still believe she is mightier than Mistress Death with no leg to stand on.