Professor Zoom vs Zemo w/moonstones

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"Id"
Match set, and go!

Harbinger
Baron Zemo wins.

Galan007
Unless Zemo's senses are hugely amped all the time, then Zoom would pummel the shit out of him before he ever had a chance to activate the stones, imo.

whacknasty
Originally posted by Galan007
Unless Zemo's senses are hugely amped all the time, then Zoom would pummel the shit out of him before he ever had a chance to activate the stones, imo.

I agree. I dont know much about the moonstones though. sad

Galan007
Originally posted by whacknasty
I agree. I dont know much about the moonstones though. sad Zemo used the Moonstones to freeze Genis-Vell (Photon) in time--then to separate his essence, and scatter it throughout various points in time:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12369426_g1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12369427_g2.jpg

...A tactic that would absolutely work on Zoom, IF Zemo got the change to do so.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Galan007
Zemo used the Moonstones to freeze Genis-Vell (Photon) in time--then to separate his essence, and scatter it throughout various points in time:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12369426_g1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/12369427_g2.jpg

...A tactic that would absolutely work on Zoom, IF Zemo got the change to do so.

If being the key word

kgkg
Zemo can already see past event. Zoom has no chance here.

Galan007
He can see past events? How is seeing the past going to help him here?

...Or am I misunderstanding you?

kgkg
Originally posted by Galan007
He can see past events? How is seeing the past going to help him here?

...Or am I misunderstanding you? He can react to things as soon as the fight begins?

Prep-Man
Zoom is too fast here. Negative Speed Force will trump the Moonstones, IMO. Zoom has manipulation of time as well.

Galan007
Originally posted by kgkg
He can react to things as soon as the fight begins? Right, any character can do that. I'm just curious if Zemo can react faster than Zoom could start pummeling him? Keep in mind that Zoom possesses speed that makes every member of the Flash Family look pathetically slow in comparison (even John's wanked-out version of Barry.) If Zemo can react on that level, I've never seen him do so.

Zoom possessing superior reaction/pummeling speed doesn't give him the auto-win, though. Zemo /w/ Moonstones did show pretty impressive damage soak against Genis, after all.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Galan007
Right, any character can do that. I'm just curious if Zemo can react faster than Zoom could start pummeling him? Keep in mind that Zoom possesses speed that makes every member of the Flash Family look pathetically slow in comparison (even John's wanked-out version of Barry.) If Zemo can react on that level, I've never seen him do so.

Zoom possessing superior reaction/pummeling speed doesn't give him the auto-win, though. Zemo /w/ Moonstones did show pretty impressive damage soak against Genis, after all.

Can Zemo resist deaging?

Galan007
I was under the impression that the Moonstones would prevent such a tactic--but I guess that, too, might come down to a matter of reaction speed. If Zoom can de-age Zemo before he uses the stones to negate the process, then Zoom wins. If Zemo can activate the stones before Zoom de-ages him, then HE wins.

kgkg
Originally posted by Galan007
Right, any character can do that. I'm just curious if Zemo can react faster than Zoom could start pummeling him? Keep in mind that Zoom possesses speed that makes every member of the Flash Family look pathetically slow in comparison (even John's wanked-out version of Barry.) If Zemo can react on that level, I've never seen him do so.

Zoom possessing superior reaction/pummeling speed doesn't give him the auto-win, though. Zemo /w/ Moonstones did show pretty impressive damage soak against Genis, after all. Even if Zemo couldn't fully react to Zoom all Zemo would need is to make one action to end the fight.

I'm not sure if Zoom has the firepower to K.O someone like Zemo before he can make a thought. Zemo was pretty much ignoring herald level attacks.

Also Zemo's cosmic awareness and added durability by the Moonstone should be enough to at least do one action.

and one action is all it will take for Zemo to beat pretty much anyone who doesn't have Skyfather level time/matter manipulation.

Prep-Man
Wasn't Zoom able to go in an out of the Anti-Speed Force? How would Zemo harm him when he does this?

Galan007
Originally posted by kgkg
Even if Zemo couldn't fully react to Zoom all Zemo would need is to make one action to end the fight.

I'm not sure if Zoom has the firepower to K.O someone like Zemo before he can make a thought. Zemo was pretty much ignoring herald level attacks.

Also Zemo's cosmic awareness and added durability by the Moonstone should be enough to at least do one action.

and one action is all it will take for Zemo to beat pretty much anyone who doesn't have Skyfather level time/matter manipulation. I agree. That's why I said that superior speed doesn't equate to an auto-win here.

How do you think Zemo would fare against Zoom's de-aging technique?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Wasn't Zoom able to go in an out of the Anti-Speed Force? How would Zemo harm him when he does this? That's self-BFR, and would result in an auto-win for Zemo.

tross
Zemo wins

God Cloth Seiya
Zoom wins

Tony Stark
Zemo in a MUDHOLESTOMP

God Cloth Seiya
Naw he gets speed blitz

DarkSaint85
Zoom, but all depends on the quick draw circumstances.

pym-ftw
Zemo wins.

guy222
Agreed

Epicurus
Zemo wins.

Golgo13
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Zemo wins.

How does Zemo deal with deaging and super speed?

DarkSaint85
Also, Galan will be able to answer this, but feel free to chip in:

How would freezing someone in time work, if they are on a completely different timeline to you?

Galan007
^ The Moonstones gave Zemo access to "every single potential timeline.":
http://imgur.com/eaBC0R5

And when Zemo killed Genis, he did so by severing his physical form into "different pockets of time.":
http://imgur.com/8fZDqAt


So I believe manipulating Zoom's personal time-bubble would be child's play for Zemo, given the chance.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Galan007
^ The Moonstones gave Zemo access to "every single potential timeline.":
http://imgur.com/eaBC0R5

And when Zemo killed Genis, he did so by severing his physical form into "different pockets of time.":
http://imgur.com/8fZDqAt


So I believe manipulating Zoom's personal time-bubble would be child's play for Zemo, given the chance.

thumb up cheers.

Epicurus
Originally posted by Golgo13
How does Zemo deal with deaging and super speed?
Moonstones.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
^ The Moonstones gave Zemo access to "every single potential timeline.":
http://imgur.com/eaBC0R5

And when Zemo killed Genis, he did so by severing his physical form into "different pockets of time.":
http://imgur.com/8fZDqAt


So I believe manipulating Zoom's personal time-bubble would be child's play for Zemo, given the chance.

What feats does zemo have that can deal with a speedster like zoom? Zoom is a different animal than Genis

Galan007
He doesn't. Ergo my original opinion on the first page.

Tony Stark
Originally posted by Galan007
^ The Moonstones gave Zemo access to "every single potential timeline.":
http://imgur.com/eaBC0R5

And when Zemo killed Genis, he did so by severing his physical form into "different pockets of time.":
http://imgur.com/8fZDqAt


So I believe manipulating Zoom's personal time-bubble would be child's play for Zemo, given the chance.



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