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Their both facing eachother in the upcoming AVX: VVersus #4... Who do you think will win in this fight?

Emma should win, seeing what a PF boosted Captain Marvel did to Thor. Cyclops with the PF casually dismissed Thor. Rachel, with no PF in her at all, also had Thor on the ropes despite being taken by surprise by him.

But knowing this event, they'll probably give Thor the win because he's due for one. AvX is a mess.

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Emma can lay a verbal beating thats for sure.

They will likely give Thor this one. He should loose, but the writers have been playing devils advocate with the back n forth battles.

i hope thor knocks her tfo

Originally posted by "Id"
Emma can lay a verbal beating thats for sure.

They will likely give Thor this one. He should loose, but the writers have been playing devils advocate with the back n forth battles. oh snap

Originally posted by "Id"
Emma can lay a verbal beating thats for sure.

They will likely give Thor this one. He should loose, but the writers have been playing devils advocate with the back n forth battles.

"Unearthly heat"-"Hammer"-"Nail"............am I the only one who's getting the feeling that there is some weird sexual tension in the air between these two ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
"Unearthly heat"-"Hammer"-"Nail"............am I the only one who's getting the feeling that there is some weird sexual tension in the air between these two ? just you

Originally posted by CaneloAlvarez
just you

I'd love to see Emma get her "nail" "hammer"-ed into her , by Thor .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
"Unearthly heat"-"Hammer"-"Nail"............am I the only one who's getting the feeling that there is some weird sexual tension in the air between these two ?

Well she's already been wearing the face off of Namor, so who knows.

Phoenix Cyclops = All others Phoenix five ?

She may be weaker than him.

Thor should lose, but as mentioned he may pull an upset

Pheonix Namor got the advantage over Thor, Pheonix Cyclops knocked him out, Thor got knocked out by the Pheonix entity how many times?, and got knocked out by Pheonix amped Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
"Unearthly heat"-"Hammer"-"Nail"............am I the only one who's getting the feeling that there is some weird sexual tension in the air between these two ?

You're confusing Herc for Thor. Thor loves only his hammer.

Will probably be yet another instance of Thor getting KO'ed. I think Marvel is trying to find a way for every character that has ever existed in the Marvel Universe to get a KO over Thor.

Beta Ray Bill (2 or 3 times...Oh and Bill also stole his woman. That's pretty pathetic when a guy with a horse face takes your lady), Captain America, the Hulk (several times), Red Hulk, Diablo, Amadeus Cho, Cyclops, Rogue, Phoenix entity, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Sentry, the U-Foes, Iron Patriot....Is there anyone left in Marvel who hasn't KO'ed Thor?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Will probably be yet another instance of Thor getting KO'ed. I think Marvel is trying to find a way for every character that has ever existed in the Marvel Universe to get a KO over Thor.

Beta Ray Bill (2 or 3 times...Oh and Bill also stole his woman. That's pretty pathetic when a guy with a horse face takes your lady), Captain America, the Hulk (several times), Red Hulk, Diablo, Amadeus Cho, Cyclops, Rogue, Phoenix entity, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Sentry, the U-Foes, Iron Patriot....Is there anyone left in Marvel who hasn't KO'ed Thor?

The only one that matters.

X-Man (Nate Grey)

Originally posted by -K-M-
Thor should lose, but as mentioned he may pull an upset

Pheonix Namor got the advantage over Thor, Pheonix Cyclops knocked him out, Thor got knocked out by the Pheonix entity how many times?, and got knocked out by Pheonix amped Captain Marvel.

You would think they'd stay consistent and add one more ko to the list.

I want Thor to win, especially since Gladiator took out one and then handle two by himself but more than likely, Thor will probably lose.

Yeah, I can't see how Thor wins this.

He's been casually beaten down by Cyclops and Namor so far, and Rachel Grey sans phoenix force laid a humiliating smack down on him. (Though she would likely have lost in the long run.)

Outside of some VERY creative use of that hammer he gets smoked.

LOL have you all even been reading AvX?

Phoenix Emma just got her ass knocked down by a ARROW from Hawkeye.
A Phoenix avatar, one who should be devouring stars, got busted by a trick arrow.

The writers clearly hate her and are setting her up for failure with her making out with Namor behind precious Cyclops's back.

She's losing this in the books, though in a rumble setting, she clearly would be mind raping him with a blink of an eye.

Originally posted by Glorificus
LOL have you all even been reading AvX?

Phoenix Emma just got her ass knocked down by a ARROW from Hawkeye.
A Phoenix avatar, one who should be devouring stars, got busted by a trick arrow.

The writers clearly hate her and are setting her up for failure with her making out with Namor behind precious Cyclops's back.

She's losing this in the books, though in a rumble setting, she clearly would be mind raping him with a blink of an eye.

She also proceeded to incinerate Hawkeye for that unforgivable transgression .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
She also proceeded to incinerate Hawkeye for that unforgivable transgression .

After Wanda humiliated them.

And being a telepath, she didn't even pick up the fact that Hawkeye was going to shoot an arrow at her.

It almost seems like the writers have forgotten how powerful her telepathy was before the Phoenix upgrade, because she hasn't used her TP ONCE offensively since being "amped" by that flaming cosmic turkey, except in accidentally blowing up Sinister's clone telepaths while she was concentrating hard on locating them through their blocks. Locating, not even mind raping.

Originally posted by Glorificus
After Wanda humiliated them.

And being a telepath, she didn't even pick up the fact that Hawkeye was going to shoot an arrow at her.

It almost seems like the writers have forgotten how powerful her telepathy was before the Phoenix upgrade, because she hasn't used her TP ONCE offensively since being "amped" by that flaming cosmic turkey, except in accidentally blowing up Sinister's clone telepaths while she was concentrating hard on locating them through their blocks. Locating, not even mind raping.

Wanda is pretty much their plot-based kryptonite , so I wouldn't really bring her up .
Hawkeye got incinerated . Emma not telepathically sensing(despite the fact that her psychic abilities were logically being AUGMENTED by a PSIONIC ENTITY nonetheless) his attack is standard case of comicbook PIS , just as Thor getting beaten by a regular Rachel is PIS .

(On a sidenote : Maybe that Sinister incident explains that her TP , having been amped as such , is so strong that she can't use it extensively w/o killing someone . Just like a Kryptonian , who if they aren't careful , could smash a human into smithereens just by touching them .)

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I'm saying Thor or the Avengers are screwed

I wanna see Scott whup that ass for kissing namor

Originally posted by carver9
I want Thor to win, especially since Gladiator took out one and then handle two by himself but more than likely, Thor will probably lose. scans

So who won in the comic? I cant check myself cause Im not at home in the city (in the country) plus no funds for the marvel comic store lol so who won?

What's with the guy with the ball gag in the scans?

Emma humiliated Thor it seems.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Emma humiliated Thor it seems.

Have you read the issue ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Have you read the issue ?
No, I read the spoilers on CBR



I would look for the scans.

Let's just wait for Guy then....313

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I read the spoilers on CBR



Link to the thread on CBR , from which you got these spoilers , would be much appreciated .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller


Link to the thread on CBR , from which you got these spoilers , would be much appreciated .
No problem mate.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?419100-Avx-vs-4

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Never mind . Got it myself :
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?419100-Avx-vs-4

Originally posted by abhilegend
No problem mate.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?419100-Avx-vs-4

Thanks , but I managed to search it on my own .

Well that was by far Thor's best showing against any of the Phoenix Avatars.

He at least lasted more than one panel.

I read it, it's no where near as bad as some people are making it out to be. Thor was completely dominating her for the first 2/3rds of the fight, but he made the huge mistake of completely letting his guard down near the end when he thought he won.

Odd fight. Anyone find it strange that Rachel sans PF can get into Thor's mind and not get disoriented, yet Emma with PF exclaims 'oh god' as if she can't handle what she sees?

Looks like she was playing with him and then she got bored and put her foot down...............literally.

Its not always about power. I think the X-Men verse has made that clear through out its series.

Emma has very few experiences, in dealing with the inter-workings of a God Mind. Rachel has had plenty.

Originally posted by "Id"
Its not always about power. I think the X-Men verse has made that clear through out its series.

Emma has very few experiences, in dealing with the inter-workings of a God Mind. Rachel has had plenty.

IIRC , some of the TP tricks that Rachel learnt as Phoenix , were courtesy of Emma Frost .
Which god(ling)'s mind has Rachel invaded ?

Not to mention that by being amped by 1/5th of the equivalent of all the psionic energy in existence , Emma's base telepathic power should be boosted to a level where experience would be meaningless .

As an example : Franklin Richards in his first encounter with the Mad Celestials , was able to "hear their thoughts" w/o even trying , and when they attempted a mindrape , he exiled them from his mind with relative ease .
Now he isn't an experienced telepath , from what I know , but his raw power is so much that above-skyfather Godlike beings can be thrown out of his mind by the simplest whim .

So Emma has both the experience AND the power .

You see what I am getting at ?

Highly impressive TP resistance feat from Thor.

Originally posted by zopzop
Odd fight. Anyone find it strange that Rachel sans PF can get into Thor's mind and not get disoriented, yet Emma with PF exclaims 'oh god' as if she can't handle what she sees?

Looks like she was playing with him and then she got bored and put her foot down...............literally.

From what it appears , Rachel was only attempting to do so , while Emma actually managed to go into his mind , before being pushed out .
WITH Rachel :-
Thor : "I can feel you trying to invade my mind ."

WITH Emma :-
Thor : "Out of my head , witch."

Keep in mind that the avatar is still a very human, with a human psyche.

Because Rachel was exposed to the Phoenix Force longer than Emma. She. understands the inter-working of a God Mind better than the Blonde bomb shell.

Thats the big reveal, in Rachel's recent encounter with Thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Highly impressive TP resistance feat from Thor.
Poor Smashing and Piercing resistance though.

Originally posted by "Id"
Keep in mind that the avatar is still a very human, with a human psyche.

Because Rachel was exposed to the Phoenix Force longer than Emma. She. understands the inter-working of a God Mind better than the Blonde bomb shell.

Thats the big reveal, in Rachel's recent encounter with Thor.

Except for that , in terms of overall experience , I'll go with Emma all day .

Originally posted by Sundipped
You would think they'd stay consistent and add one more ko to the list.

Well how about that. They did stay consistent.

Originally posted by carver9
I want Thor to win, especially since Gladiator took out one and then handle two by himself but more than likely, Thor will probably lose.

Funny how some things (Glads showing) come back to haunt you. Hoped you learned a lesson from premature assumptions.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Highly impressive TP resistance feat from Thor.

I'd say that feedback/sensory overload crap from Daredevil is a better resistance feat against Psylocke.

Hasn't Thor had a history of strong mental resistances? I know Warrior Madness Thor's mind was almost impossible to invade.

On the other hand however, he has been mentally enslaved by Moondragon, so a Phoenix empowered "omega-level" telepath like Emma really should've had no trouble.

What's with these writers all crapping on telepathy for both Betsy and Emma? It's like they're obsessed with making sure the fight remains physical only...

Originally posted by Glorificus
I'd say that feedback/sensory overload crap from Daredevil is a better resistance feat against Psylocke.

Hasn't Thor had a history of strong mental resistances? I know Warrior Madness Thor's mind was almost impossible to invade.

On the other hand however, he has been mentally enslaved by Moondragon, so a Phoenix empowered "omega-level" telepath like Emma really should've had no trouble.

What's with these writers all crapping on telepathy for both Betsy and Emma? It's like they're obsessed with making sure the fight remains physical only...

Didn't see any of DD vs. Psylocke.

His history is kind of all over the place, tbh. Generally, though, before this fight, I'd say Thor's will would be enough to resist a normal Emma. The fact that he forcibly threw an amped Emma out of his mind is one of his best mental feats I've seen, though.

Considering Thor's will, especially when angered, enables him to do things such as endure a barrage of Celestial attacks or forcibly summon Mjolnir to his location from Earth, and in the process, cleave through dimensions, I'd say such a feat is acceptable for Thor.

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Nice.

Good God at how they're basically whoring Thor out.

Thor shatters Emma's diamond form enhanced by Phoenix and then is too stupid to look up at the atmospheric Phoenix diamonds that are coming at him full speed.

Meh. Better than other showings. Although he got a savage beating in the end.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Meh. Better than other showings. Although he got a savage beating in the end.
The beating is meaningless, he's been beaten before. I love how she told him she was gonna have him on all fours and grab him by his hair. Cosmic strap-on for the the win! And she could have done it too.

Originally posted by zopzop
The beating is meaningless, he's been beaten before. I love how she told him she was gonna have him on all fours and grab him by his hair. Cosmic strap-on for the the win! And she could have done it too.

What killed it was when she said I expected more thunder. Utter humiliation.

thor nails her =)

It's been the trend, Thor talks smack then promptly gets smashed. And let's place odds on who stops a Mjolnir swing next. My money is on Thanos.

Thor= mid-meta, at best.

Originally posted by Harbinger
Thor= mid-meta, at best.

Agreed.

An arguably high meta like Tony has been outperforming him.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
It's been the trend, Thor talks smack then promptly gets smashed. And let's place odds on who stops a Mjolnir swing next. My money is on Thanos.
Thanos has already stopped Mjolnir dead in it's tracks.

Thor losing to a Phoenix powered opponent is fine. No shame in that. It'll piss me of if Hulk comes out of nowhere and thunderclaps the Pf out of the five.

Originally posted by nwg202
Thor losing to a Phoenix powered opponent is fine. No shame in that. It'll piss me of if Hulk comes out of nowhere and thunderclaps the Pf out of the five.
Hmm, maybe not with one thunderclap. Two or three would be more realistic.

Originally posted by nwg202
Thor losing to a Phoenix powered opponent is fine. No shame in that. It'll piss me of if Hulk comes out of nowhere and thunderclaps the Pf out of the five.


That would be amazing. Hulk is suppose to be fighting them soon correct?

Originally posted by nwg202
Thor losing to a Phoenix powered opponent is fine. No shame in that. It'll piss me of if Hulk comes out of nowhere and thunderclaps the Pf out of the five. Count on it.

Originally posted by Glorificus
LOL have you all even been reading AvX?

Phoenix Emma just got her ass knocked down by a ARROW from Hawkeye.
A Phoenix avatar, one who should be devouring stars, got busted by a trick arrow.

The writers clearly hate her and are setting her up for failure with her making out with Namor behind precious Cyclops's back.

She's losing this in the books, though in a rumble setting, she clearly would be mind raping him with a blink of an eye.

pretty sure that was simulation.....

???

Originally posted by carver9
That would be amazing. Hulk is suppose to be fighting them soon correct?

Did you get that from CBR ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Did you get that from CBR ?

Yes

Originally posted by carver9
Yes

Which thread ? Link to it would be much appreciated .

Originally posted by "Id"
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pretty sure that was simulation..... It was a simulation.

mmmm... not consistent writing in my opinion.

I wonder what'll happen if the Phoenix Five walk all over Hulk too...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I wonder what'll happen if the Phoenix Five walk all over Hulk too...

I hope they do because I feel some members of a certain fan base will actually go postal if they don't.

lol either way, expect a shit storm.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I wonder what'll happen if the Phoenix Five walk all over Hulk too...
you'll know you're dreaming, because not even Marvel would be that silly.


Hulkforce >>>> Phoenixforce.

It's just more infiniter

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
I hope they do because I feel some members of a certain fan base will actually go postal if they don't.
I'm pretty certain the Thorettes and the Thanoscenti will go postal if Hulk happens to have anything like a good showing.

The dislike of that character here on KMC is amazing... incredible, even.

haermm
anus is such a troll....

Originally posted by janus77
I'm pretty certain the Thorettes and the Thanoscenti will go postal if Hulk happens to have anything like a good showing.

The dislike of that character here on KMC is amazing... incredible, even.

Hulk is by far the most hated character on KMC. I love when he walks all over people numero uno characters on this site...love it.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is by far the most hated character on KMC. I love when he walks all over people numero uno characters on this site...love it.

I'll bet you cry yourself to sleep every night thinking about how he'll never walk all over Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is by far the most hated character on KMC. I love when he walks all over people numero uno characters on this site...love it.

Never against Constantine!!!

But on a more serious note, you're right. More power = cooler characters,

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'll bet you cry yourself to sleep every night thinking about how he'll never walk all over Superman.

No need to cry when DC have Hulk clones walking over Superman for me.

Lol at doomsday being a hulk clone BWAHAHAHA the guy will destroy any version of hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
No need to cry when DC have Hulk clones walking over Superman for me.

They must be superior to Hulk, since every time the Hulk and Superman fought, the Hulk got owned. You are a sad little boy.

Originally posted by carver9
No need to cry when DC have Hulk clones walking over Superman for me.

bah! The entire Green Lantern Corps is just fuelled by the gamma that leaks out of the Marvel Omniverse when Hulk is sleeping.

That green willpower stuff? It's all pure GammaFartForce!

I just read the issue, and Emma Frost totally owned Thor. Marvel loves embarassing Thor these days.

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Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is by far the most hated character on KMC. I love when he walks all over people numero uno characters on this site...love it.
lol

Anyway.... emma shits all over frost while she pulls her g-sting to the side.

Sup with Thor taking these L's lately, i honestly don't think he should of been beaten that easily...

poor thor

Quick question,shouldn't Thor's hammer be able to siphon Emma's power/ the Phoenix Force from her and render her to her normal self?

^ Quick answer: Beast is too stupid to replicate the same tech that Thor used with the actual unbridled full Phoenixforce to do just that. Stupid Beast.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Quick answer: Beast is too stupid to replicate the same tech that Thor used with the actual unbridled full Phoenixforce to do just that. Stupid Beast.



Thanks mon ami.

mmmm....

Originally posted by wma8706
mmmm....


Thanks for the scan mon ami. But I am wondering can Thor's hammer do something like what Magneto did to Phoenix in the past by 'drawing' out her power?

Originally posted by mastagambit
Thanks for the scan mon ami. But I am wondering can Thor's hammer do something like what Magneto did to Phoenix in the past by 'drawing' out her power?
I think that was Xorn(masquerading as Magneto) who did that to Phoenix . In fact , if memory recalls , then he killed her by an EMP , and as a result the Phoenix Force itself got shattered into a billion billion pieces .

Originally posted by mastagambit
Thanks for the scan mon ami. But I am wondering can Thor's hammer do something like what Magneto did to Phoenix in the past by 'drawing' out her power?
That Phoenix Magneto fought was a crippled version. During the Proteus story arc, Moira ran some tests on her and verified that she had imposed "psionic circuit breakers" on herself (this is why she couldn't tap into more power and hit a wall when she fought Magneto and later Proteus and this is what Professor X used with Jean's personality helping him to bind the Phoenix in their Psi War).
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So the Magneto and Proteus loses were due to her limiting herself, otherwise she would have annihilated them.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I think that was Xorn(masquerading as Magneto) who did that to Phoenix . In fact , if memory recalls , then he killed her by an EMP , and as a result the Phoenix Force itself got shattered into a billion billion pieces .
That was a humiliating showing.

Originally posted by zopzop

That was a humiliating showing.

Well , according to the scan you just posted , it was a different story-arc , so here that doesn't apply .

It was a pretty bad showing nonetheless .