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Agent Orange
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Green Lantern (Hal)
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Atrocitus
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Cyborg Superman (Yellow)
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Fatality
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Saint Walker
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Indigo 1
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Kal-L (Black Lantern)
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vs

World Breaker Hulk
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Thor
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Silver Surfer
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Gladiator
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Black Bolt
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Ronan
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Nova
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Quasar
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Black Lantern vs. People who can't kill him.

Ugh. Been there, done that.

Im backing team 2

team 1 easily..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
team 1 easily..

It's entirely possible that BL Kal-L kills Team 2 by himself.

Originally posted by zopzop

It's entirely possible that BL Kal-L kills Team 2 by himself.

No.

But it's entirely possible that Angent Orange do it, tho

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
No.

Yes.

Nobody on team 2 can kill him, and there's nobody on team 2 he can't kill.

Take Kal out, and it's a fight.

What's stopping Kal from getting BFR'd?

Originally posted by Galan007
What's stopping Kal from getting BFR'd?
His ability to travel between dimensions.

Originally posted by Galan007
What's stopping Kal from getting BFR'd? Originally posted by abhilegend
His ability to travel between dimensions.
He wouldn't even need it. Quasar is the one that's BFR happy and we all saw how Gladiator dealt with that (he grasped his arm and wouldn't let go and he was crushing it through Quasar's Quantum Aura). If Gladiator did that, imagine what BL Kal-L would do.

Like I said, it's entirely possible Kal-L solos Team 2.

Originally posted by zopzop
He wouldn't even need it. Quasar is the one that's BFR happy and we all saw how Gladiator dealt with that (he grasped his arm and wouldn't let go and he was crushing it through Quasar's Quantum Aura). If Gladiator did that, imagine what BL Kal-L would do.

Like I said, it's entirely possible Kal-L solos Team 2.

Can you elaborate?

Originally posted by zopzop
He wouldn't even need it. Quasar is the one that's BFR happy and we all saw how Gladiator dealt with that (he grasped his arm and wouldn't let go and he was crushing it through Quasar's Quantum Aura). If Gladiator did that, imagine what BL Kal-L would do.

Like I said, it's entirely possible Kal-L solos Team 2.

He doesn't have Gladiator strength fts either.

Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't have Gladiator strength fts either.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Can you elaborate?
He tried to BFR Gladiator into the Quantum Zone but Gladiator grasped his arm and wouldn't let go. He was actually crushing Quasar's arm right through Quasar's Quantum Aura. BL Kal-L would wreck Quasar and Team 2.Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't have Gladiator strength fts either. Originally posted by iceman24567

Yeah he lost me there.

Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't have Gladiator strength fts either. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpw01Qe1S1qcj7k0o2_400.gif

Originally posted by zopzop
He tried to BFR Gladiator into the Quantum Zone but Gladiator grasped his arm and wouldn't let go. He was actually crushing Quasar's arm right through Quasar's Quantum Aura. BL Kal-L would wreck Quasar and Team 2.
Yeah he lost me there.

no i meant how kal-L would solo.

how does he beat carver's wbh? LOL

Agent Orange?

Cyborg Superman w/Rings?

Black Lantern Kal-L?

That's at least three trans beings backed by solid heralds.

But team two has a Hulk, so idk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
His ability to travel between dimensions. I haven't read the Blackest Night affair since it came out... When did BL Kal dimension hop?

Lanterns effortlessly win, btw.

Originally posted by Galan007
I haven't read the Blackest Night affair since it came out... When did BL Kal dimension hop?

Lanterns effortlessly win, btw.
Kal-L could travel between dimensions.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kal-L could travel between dimensions. Certainly you aren't referring to this:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12585676_s1.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12585679_s2.jpg

Kal was only able to 'dimension-hop' in that instance because there were literal 'walls of reality' which he could physically strike. If said walls wouldn't have been there, he would have been stuck in that pocket dimension. Same coin, Superboy Prime was only able to cause retcons because he was also striking those walls.

So again, what's stopping Kal from getting BFR'd? I mean, if Surfer teleported him a few hundred light years away, how would he get back in a reasonable amount of time? It's not like he can travel vast distances by punching thin air...

Originally posted by Galan007
Certainly you aren't referring to this:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12585676_s1.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12585679_s2.jpg

Kal was only able to 'dimension-hop' in that instance because there were literal 'walls of reality' which he could physically strike. If said walls wouldn't have been there, he would have been stuck in that pocket dimension. Same coin, Superboy Prime was only able to cause retcons because he was also striking those walls.

So again, what's stopping Kal from getting BFR'd? I mean, if Surfer teleported him a few hundred light years away, how would he get back in a reasonable amount of time? It's not like he can travel vast distances by punching thin air...
No, his pre crisis feats. What's the biggest distance surfer has teleported someone or himself? We're talking about someone who could travel to the edge of universe in a few panels.

Did he dimension hop in Infinite Crisis or Blackest Night at all?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Did he dimension hop in Infinite Crisis or Blackest Night at all?
Does it matter?

Yes, I'd say it does.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Did he dimension hop in Infinite Crisis or Blackest Night at all? No, but abhil is going to try and use his silver age feats as proof that he could if he wanted to... Even though Kal seemed roughly on par with mainstream Supes (who is certainly not on par with 'true' silver age Kryptonians.) /shrug

Btw abhil: when did Kal travel across the universe in a few panels?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, I'd say it does.
No it doesn't.Originally posted by Galan007
No, but abhil is going to try and use his silver age feats as proof that he could if he wanted to... Even though Kal seemed roughly on par with mainstream Supes (who is certainly not on par with 'true' silver age Kryptonians.) /shrug

Btw abhil: when did Kal travel across the universe in a few panels?
That doesn't discount his feats which are still in canon. FWIW byrne superman looked slightly inferior to PC superboy too. Let me look in my comics, I think its one of DCP comic.

I'd say it doesn't matter anyway as this is borderline spite against Marvel's "best".

Originally posted by abhilegend
No it doesn't.
That doesn't discount his feats which are still in canon. FWIW byrne superman looked slightly inferior to PC superboy too. Let me look in my comics, I think its one of DCP comic. Post-IC Kal was never painted in a 'true' silver age light. Mainstream Supes seemed to be his equal; arguably his superior--and neither of them were a match for Superboy Prime (who STILL wasn't depicted in a 'true' silver age light.) Feat-wise, true silver age Kryptonians>>Superboy Prime>Superman=/>post-IC Kal.

Either way, I think your digging deep in saying that BL Kal is un-BFRable. He could be, but I personally don't think feats he allegedly preformed decades prior necessarily apply to his post-IC incarnations/depictions. /shrug

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd say it doesn't matter anyway as this is borderline spite against Marvel's "best". It IS spite.

Originally posted by Galan007
Post-IC Kal was never painted in a 'true' silver age light. Mainstream Supes seemed to be his equal; arguably his superior--and neither of them were a match for Superboy Prime (who STILL wasn't depicted in a 'true' silver age light.) Feat-wise, true silver age Kryptonians>>Superboy Prime>Superman=/>post-IC Kal.

Either way, I think your digging deep in saying that BL Kal is un-BFRable. He could be, but I personally don't think feats he allegedly preformed decades prior necessarily apply to his post-IC incarnations/depictions. /shrug

It IS spite.
Yeah just his total history on Earth-two was told as it was in superman 226. You are taking it like every silver age character sneezed solar systems away. SBP was absolutely in bronze age superman's league who was superior to Kal-L. Still doesn't discount his feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah just his total history on Earth-two was told as it was in superman 226. You are taking it like every silver age character sneezed solar systems away. SBP was absolutely in bronze age superman's league who was superior to Kal-L. Still doesn't discount his feats. The feats still happened, obviously. You just can't really apply those silver age showings to post-IC Kal, as he was definitely not portrayed on that level. Again, mainstream Superman was no less than equal to Kal--and mainstream Supes<<a true silver age Kryptonian.

Originally posted by Galan007
The feats still happened, obviously. You just can't really apply those silver age showings to post-IC Kal, as he was definitely not portrayed on that level. Again, mainstream Superman was no less than equal to Kal--and mainstream Supes<<a true silver age Kryptonian.
If the feats happened then they are applicable. Like I said byrne superman stalemated PC superboy and knocked out pre ZH Mon-El who was a confirmed planet mover. Its ridiculous to discount feats because superman stalemated him in a fight which broke down time and space. He was also about as fast as zoom who blitzed superman. Though superman<<< sixties' superman, he isn't far behind from depowered 70's superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If the feats happened then they are applicable. Even if the character was depicted as significantly less powerful in more current continuity?

Yeah, I can't really follow that logic.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even if the character was depicted as significantly less powerful in more current continuity?

Yeah, I can't really follow that logic.
Based upon a fight where time and space are broken? Yeah he was really taken down as a powerhouse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based upon a fight where time and space are broken? Yeah he was really taken down as a powerhouse. Yep. It took Kal AND mainstream Supes just to pin down Superboy Prime. If he were at his silver age levels, he would have effortlessly soloed Prime... Just seems like you want to use decades-old feats to try and make Kal seem more impressive than Johns depicted him in post-IC continuity. /shrug

Regardless, the Lanterns win in a spitey fashion... Even if Kal is taken out of the picture.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yep. It took Kal AND mainstream Supes just to pin down Superboy Prime. If he were at his silver age levels, he would have effortlessly soloed Prime... Just seems like you want to use decades-old feats to try and make Kal seem more impressive than Johns depicted him in post-IC continuity. /shrug

Regardless, the Lanterns win in a spitey fashion... Even if Kal is taken out of the picture.
Prime was treated as a full powered bronze age kryptonians who were stronger than Kal-L at the time. There is no shame in that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Prime was treated as a full powered bronze age kryptonians who were stronger than Kal-L at the time. There is no shame in that. So you agree that Kal was NOT treated as a full powered silver/bronze age kryptonian, then?

Originally posted by Galan007
So you agree that Kal was NOT treated as a full powered silver/bronze age kryptonian, then?
He wasn't to begin with. His feats are still applicable which includes him travelling between dimensions and the edge of universe in a few panels.

WTF are you even arguing about?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't to begin with. His feats are still applicable which includes him travelling between dimensions and the edge of universe in a few panels. So if he was never portrayed as a full powered silver or bronze age character in post-IC continuity, why are we trying to apply those power levels to him here?

Can you at least see why I find it faulty?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WTF are you even arguing about? Nonsensical points. What else? uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
So if he was never portrayed as a full powered silver or bronze age character in post-IC continuity, why are we trying to apply those power levels to him here?

Can you at least see why I find it faulty?

Nonsensical points. What else? uhuh
He has his own feats to stand on, not with ABC logic. Was he weaker than Earth-one superman? Yes as he grew older otherwise he has fought Earth-one superman to a total standstill untill they both were koed.

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He was still powerful enough to knock superman of earth-one in a single hit in COIE. Its not totally ABC logic.

^ Not sure why you posted that.

Again, I am exclusively referring to how post-IC Kal was portrayed--which was decisively below a true silver/bronze age Kryptonian. And since he was never portrayed in those levels, I find it faulty to try and apply those feats to him. In post-IC continuity he was powerful--just not THAT powerful.

= all I'm saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Not sure why you posted that.

Again, I am exclusively referring to how post-IC Kal was portrayed--which was decisively below a true silver/bronze age Kryptonian. And since he was never portrayed in those levels, I find it faulty to try and apply those feats to him. In post-IC continuity he was powerful--just not THAT powerful.

= all I'm saying.
Untill he was officially depowered, all of those feats still apply to him. That's all I'm saying.srug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Untill he was officially depowered, all of those feats still apply to him. That's all I'm saying.srug You yourself admitted that Kal was NOT depicted as a full powered silver/bronze age Kryptonian in post-IC continuity (which is absolutely correct.) Yet you still want to use those decades old feats on his behalf? Makes no sense.

All those pre-crisis feats show me is what Kal used to be capable of--certainly not what he was capable of, post-IC. Again, when Johns resurrected Kal, he clearly made him roughly equal to mainstream Supes (maybe a little weaker.) That's it. Both of them were still WELL below Prime, who was closer to a true silver age Kryptonian, but still not quite on that level.

Originally posted by Galan007
You yourself admitted that Kal was NOT depicted as a full powered silver/bronze age Kryptonian in post-IC continuity (which is absolutely correct.) Yet you still want to use those decades old feats on his behalf? Makes no sense.

All those pre-crisis feats show me is what Kal used to be capable of--certainly not what he was capable of, post-IC. Again, when Johns resurrected Kal, he clearly made him roughly equal to mainstream Supes (maybe a little weaker.) That's it. Both of them were still WELL below Prime, who was closer to a true silver age Kryptonian, but still not quite on that level.
This is getting us nowhere. Kal has feats to show he was still able to travel between dimensions even after he was shown to be weaker than earth-one superman where he was his exact equal before. So those feats would still be applicable to him. You think someone close to a post crisis kryptonian can hit zoom while he is in full speed mode?

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is getting us nowhere. Kal has feats to show he was still able to travel between dimensions even after he was shown to be weaker than earth-one superman where he was his exact equal before. So those feats would still be applicable to him. I'm not talking about Kal getting BFR'd to a different dimension. I'm talking about him getting BFR'd a few million light years away. With stats equal to, or slightly below mainstream Superman, he isn't covering that distance in a reasonable amount of time--thus he gets DQ'd from the match. Feel me?


I'm also curious to see these dimension hopping feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think someone close to a post crisis kryptonian can hit zoom while he is in full speed mode? Considering a post-crisis Kryptonian did hit Zoom, I do think it's possible.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not talking about Kal getting BFR'd to a different dimension. I'm talking about him getting BFR'd a few million light years away. With stats equal to, or slightly below mainstream Superman, he isn't covering that distance in a reasonable amount of time--thus he gets DQ'd from the match. Feel me?


I'm also curious to see these dimension hopping feats.

Considering a post-crisis Kryptonian did hit Zoom, I do think it's possible.
He wasn't weaker than superman. Get that shit outta here. He easily stopped doomsday's punch and broke the walls of the paradise dimension albeit after a long time of punching it. I asked who is teleporting him that far away? That's how he traveled between earth-one and earth-two in their annual team ups. Superman was blitzed by zoom by the same writer, Kal-L oneshotted him while he tried to blitz him. Easily tells us who was superior.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't weaker than superman. Get that shit outta here. Stamina-wise, mainstream Supes>Kal. Think before you get pissy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I asked who is teleporting him that far away? Surfer or Thor most likely.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's how he traveled between earth-one and earth-two in their annual team ups. Superman was blitzed by zoom by the same writer, Kal-L oneshotted him while he tried to blitz him. Easily tells us who was superior. You're using Kal landing a single punch on Zoom (a punch that had no effect whatsoever, btw) as your basis that Kal is now>mainstream Supes? Good God. By that line of 'logic', Dianna>mainstream Supes as well.

At any rate, Kal and Supes were always portrayed as equals during IC...
-Fighting each other (even though mainstream Supes wasn't really fighting back.)
-Fighting Doomsday.
-Fighting the other villains.
-Fighting Prime.

Equals. Always.

Originally posted by Galan007
Stamina-wise, mainstream Supes>Kal. Think before you get pissy.

Surfer or Thor most likely.

You're using Kal landing a single punch on Zoom (a punch that had no effect whatsoever, btw) as your basis that Kal is now>mainstream Supes? Good God. By that line of 'logic', Dianna>mainstream Supes as well.

At any rate, Kal and Supes were always portrayed as equals during IC...
-Fighting each other (even though mainstream Supes wasn't really fighting back.)
-Fighting Doomsday.
-Fighting the other villains.
-Fighting Prime.

Equals. Always.
Nope. He was effected more by red sun radiation by being a PC kryptonian like prime, that's all. Surfer or thor has teleported someone to lightyears away? Scans? Considering geoff johns wrote both IC 7 and GL 12 where zoom fared against Kal-L and superman, that's more relevant than diana lassoing zoom and punching him. Not to mention zoom blitzed diana under johns too. No, he wasn't. Doomsday punched superman down, Kal effortlessely stopped his punch and doomsday broke a bone. Not to mention breaking the walls of paradise dimension. Anyway a portrayal doesn't invalidates a canon feat. Superman getting koed by a nuke doesn't invalidates his previous feat. Superman stalemating Kal-L doesn't means Kal is weaker than his previous CANON portrayal, it means that superman is that strong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. He was effected more by red sun radiation by being a PC kryptonian like prime, that's all. Surfer or thor has teleported someone to lightyears away? Scans? Considering geoff johns wrote both IC 7 and GL 12 where zoom fared against Kal-L and superman, that's more relevant than diana lassoing zoom and punching him. Not to mention zoom blitzed diana under johns too. No, he wasn't. Doomsday punched superman down, Kal effortlessely stopped his punch and doomsday broke a bone. Not to mention breaking the walls of paradise dimension. Anyway a portrayal doesn't invalidates a canon feat. Superman getting koed by a nuke doesn't invalidates his previous feat. Superman stalemating Kal-L doesn't means Kal is weaker than his previous CANON portrayal, it means that superman is that strong.

Consistent portrayals do tell you what level a character is currently operating at though. Even without an official upgrade or downgrade, how they are consistently portrayed tells you everything about a current or most recent version of a character.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Consistent portrayals do tell you what level a character is currently operating at though. Even without an official upgrade or downgrade, how they are consistently portrayed tells you everything about a current or most recent version of a character. This.

No reason to argue anything else. The only point is that post-IC Kal simply was not portrayed at silver/bronze age levels. Thus using feats from that era on behalf of post-IC Kal doesn't strike me as entirely logical.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Consistent portrayals do tell you what level a character is currently operating at though. Even without an official upgrade or downgrade, how they are consistently portrayed tells you everything about a current or most recent version of a character.
He was consistent though. Before crisis he was weaker than earth-one superman though still able to give him a fight. In IC he was weaker than a bronze age kryptonian like prime though he still broke the paradise dimension's wall. This comparison with superman and discarding his feats because of that is just stupid when even byrne superman stalemated PC superboy and beat PC Mon-El.

Lol at marvels "Best"