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DCnU versions of both.

Superman.

What do you base that on, Jake? I'm curious why people seem to assume Superman is more powerful than WW at this point.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
What do you base that on, Jake? I'm curious why people seem to assume Superman is more powerful than WW at this point. Jake is a sexist.

Luckily for you and this thread, I am also a sexist.

Superman wins easily.

Unsure yet...haven't got a real display on Wonder Woman capabilities. Looking at lifting fts, both are pretty similar. Looking at the fight against Darkseid, I would give Wondy the edge. DCNU Superboy would beat both of them.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Jake is a sexist.

Luckily for you and this thread, I am also a sexist.

Superman wins easily.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BhlZ0raYfrI/S8etyNO7F0I/AAAAAAAACZI/BVIjNtqqIFs/s1600/Supe+wink.jpg

Originally posted by keiththegreat
What do you base that on, Jake? I'm curious why people seem to assume Superman is more powerful than WW at this point.

Wonder Woman's solo title is great, but in terms of feats, doesn't really give us anything.

Conversely, Superman's title has been blaaah (Action Comics is good, though) but gives us a solid idea where he stands power level wise.

Pretty clear Superman is the most powerful and formidable member of the League at this point.

Originally posted by carver9
Unsure yet...haven't got a real display on Wonder Woman capabilities. Looking at lifting fts, both are pretty similar. Looking at the fight against Darkseid, I would give Wondy the edge. DCNU Superboy would beat both of them.

So, we don't have a display of Diana's capabilities...but you give her the edge over Superman?

Sometimes, I wonder if you love being trolled and hounded by the rest of the forum.

EDIT: Behold my hat trick of awesome posts!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, we don't have a display of Diana's capabilities...but you give her the edge over Superman?

Sometimes, I wonder if you love being trolled and hounded by the rest of the forum.

EDIT: Behold my hat trick of awesome posts!


No, that's not what I said...I said if we base it off the Darkseid showing then yeah, she holds an edge. Doesn't mean that I think she would win, I'm just throwing stuff out there. She owned GL and Flash just like Superman did and she also kicked Superman some distance during this same fight. I don't know who would win out of these two...undecided.

Well, Superman has a plethora of abilities to fall back on while Diana's formidability has yet to be tested. Her best case is to hope she can score a lucky attack on Kal with her enchanted weaponry.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, Superman has a plethora of abilities to fall back on while Diana's formidability has yet to be tested. Her best case is to hope she can score a lucky attack on Kal with her enchanted weaponry.

Diana has been carrying around some powerful items as well, items that could decapitate him. Wonder Woman fights against powerful opponents has been on point imo. Not saying that she'll win but I see this as a close undecided fight for both.

Superman did as well against Darkseid as she did, so I don't see how she's superior. Especially since Superman was hit by the Omega Beams, tortured on Apokolips, and still had enough in the tank to physically rock DS.

I mean, if you want to go by performances against Darkseid, Aquaman stabbed him more times than Wonder Woman did. ermm

Like Jake said, though, Superman's just had more showings since coming back, and based on that, I'd have to side with Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman did as well against Darkseid as she did, so I don't see how she's superior. Especially since Superman was hit by the Omega Beams, tortured on Apokolips, and still had enough in the tank to physically rock DS.

I mean, if you want to go by performances against Darkseid, Aquaman stabbed him more times than Wonder Woman did. ermm

Like Jake said, though, Superman's just had more showings since coming back, and based on that, I'd have to side with Superman.

Sigh*, I never said Wonder Woman is superior, I said she is formidable, formidable enough to make this a undecided fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh*, I never said Wonder Woman is superior, I said she is formidable, formidable enough to make this a undecided fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Unsure yet...haven't got a real display on Wonder Woman capabilities. Looking at lifting fts, both are pretty similar. Looking at the fight against Darkseid, I would give Wondy the edge. DCNU Superboy would beat both of them.

So what's "an edge" to you?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So what's "an edge" to you?

Means, if I was to base this fight completely off of how both performs in combat, I would give Wondy the edge, especially since she took on Flash, GL, and Superman and was nearly unstoppable. I also think her showing against Darkseid was better but looking at everything as a hole, I think an argument can be made for both.

Originally posted by carver9
Means, if I was to base this fight completely off of how both performs in combat, I would give Wondy the edge, especially since she took on Flash, GL, and Superman and was nearly unstoppable. I also think her showing against Darkseid was better but looking at everything as a hole, I think an argument can be made for both.

...At this point, I can't actually tell if you're serious.

Originally posted by -Pr-
...At this point, I can't actually tell if you're serious.


Lol...based off power display, I would give Superman the edge...based off combat showings, I probably would give Wonder Woman the edge. I think they are equals.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...based off power display, I would give Superman the edge...based off combat showings, I probably would give Wonder Woman the edge. I think they are equals.

So even though Superman performed better against Batman, GL and Flash than she did against a GL and a Superman that wasn't trying to fight her, you give her an edge?

And Flash? She didn't fight Flash. Unless both my physical copy and digital copy are both missing a page.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And Flash? She didn't fight Flash. Unless both my physical copy and digital copy are both missing a page. Carver has the limited edition... in his mind!

So naturally, he's right

Originally posted by -Pr-
So even though Superman performed better against Batman, GL and Flash than she did against a GL and a Superman that wasn't trying to fight her, you give her an edge?

And Flash? She didn't fight Flash. Unless both my physical copy and digital copy are both missing a page.

Performed better? She was busting his shields like it was tissue paper.

I'm not giving her a edge...I don't know who'll win since we really don't have a display of physical power from Diana minus her battles (she did lift a humongous plane).

Originally posted by carver9
Performed better? She was busting his shields like it was tissue paper.

I'm not giving her a edge...I don't know who'll win since we really don't have a display of physical power from Diana minus her battles (she did lift a humongous plane).

Superman smashed more constructs than she did, and got hit less by Hal than she did.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver has the limited edition... in his mind!

So naturally, he's right

I love Carv's logic.

"Diana doesn't have the feats of Superman, so we don't know if she's physically on his level, therefore she holds an edge."

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I love Carv's logic.

"Diana doesn't have the feats of Superman, so we don't know if she's physically on his level, therefore she holds an edge."

I never said she holds an edge. I said her showings is combat is better than Supes and imo it is whereas Supes has displayed more power.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said she holds an edge. I said her showings is combat is better than Supes and imo it is whereas Supes has displayed more power.

Ahem.

Originally posted by carver9
No, that's not what I said...I said if we base it off the Darkseid showing then yeah, she holds an edge. Doesn't mean that I think she would win, I'm just throwing stuff out there. She owned GL and Flash just like Superman did and she also kicked Superman some distance during this same fight. I don't know who would win out of these two...undecided.

Still don't know what it is about this Darkseid showing that you think magically gives her an edge.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I love Carv's logic.

"I hate Superman so let me make up some shit as to why he barely loses to someone with no feats!" Fixed

Originally posted by carver9
I probably would give Wonder Woman the edge.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank



Read the entire sentence, not just that part. I already said I'm undecided.

Lol at carver getting owned as usual.

Must...stay...away.......

Superman wins.

Supes right now.

I hope the writers at DC get some sense of a clue and bring Hal back to his former self. The current Hal is sucking too much for my taste.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Supes right now.

I hope the writers at DC get some sense of a clue and bring Hal back to his former self. The current Hal is sucking too much for my taste.

He's been ok in his own book I think.

He's been a pushover in the League.

Pre-reboot, he was a good matchup for Supes and definitely for WW.

Now I'd be afraid for his life if either were to really get mad at him.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
He's been a pushover in the League.

Pre-reboot, he was a good matchup for Supes and definitely for WW.

Now I'd be afraid for his life if either were to really get mad at him.

Yeah, agreed. In his solo though? Pretty badass, especially when talking down to Sinestro.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
He's been a pushover in the League.

Pre-reboot, he was a good matchup for Supes and definitely for WW.

Now I'd be afraid for his life if either were to really get mad at him.

He was holding his own against Diana, though, at least to a point. Yes, she broke his construct, but he was getting hits in. He even got the last hit in before the fight was stopped.

I think Hal's performance in JL gets somewhat over-exagerrated a bit. It's his attitude that needs and adjustment, as well as the disparity between JL Hal and GL Hal.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, agreed. In his solo though? Pretty badass, especially when talking down to Sinestro.

That's true, in his solo he's been pretty nice.

I guess the JLA writers are just set upon a hierarchy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was holding his own against Diana, though, at least to a point. Yes, she broke his construct, but he was getting hits in. He even got the last hit in before the fight was stopped.

I think Hal's performance in JL gets somewhat over-exagerrated a bit. It's his attitude that needs and adjustment, as well as the disparity between JL Hal and GL Hal.


I disagree and he underestimated Supes and seemed more serious when facing Wondy.

I agree with Carver here.

Hal Jordan used to be formidable in EVERY title he was in (JLA, GL, Ion, etc)

Now the DC writers are just using him in JLA to make WW and Supes look good.

What's next? Bats kicking his butt?

Is this punishment for the movie not faring as well as they thought?

Put him back to being on par with Supes and I'll be happy.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
I agree with Carver here.

Hal Jordan used to be formidable in EVERY title he was in (JLA, GL, Ion, etc)

Now the DC writers are just using him in JLA to make WW and Supes look good.

What's next? Bats kicking his butt?

Is this punishment for the movie not faring as well as they thought?

Put him back to being on par with Supes and I'll be happy.

Bats has already stolen his ring.

Hal hit Diana more than once.

Yes, she looked superior, but then again, she was looking for a fight more than he was.

The only thing about the fight that really seemed off to me was her taking a jab at his sexual performance. That was a pretty... OOC thing for Diana to do.

Hal was never on par with superman. Oh and superman wins easily. Lulz at carver.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bats has already stolen his ring.

Pretty sad, huh?

The love for Supes and Bats in the DCU borders on blind obsession.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
What's next? Bats kicking his butt?

For all intents and purposes, it already happened.

Edit: Ah... Ninjad.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Pretty sad, huh?

The love for Supes and Bats in the DCU borders on blind obsession.

Superman was treated like shit for three years. He was due some good showings.

I haven't read one New DC book... and I feel like I know what's going on with it better than Carver...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I haven't read one New DC book... and I feel like I know what's going on with it better than Carver...

Well he doesn't read them either, so you're even.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well he doesn't read them either, so you're even.

Even though neither of them have read it, I give the edge to Branlor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman was treated like shit for three years. He was due some good showings.

Surprised to hear you say that.

Aquaman even took crap in JLA #10.

DC caved and had the written journalists heckle Aquaman after he saved ppl.

Sorry, Supes and Bats just get really old to me. Nice characters, just ...... kinda tired of the same old. New universe, same old crap.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Surprised to hear you say that.

Aquaman even took crap in JLA #10.

DC caved and had the written journalists heckle Aquaman after he saved ppl.

Sorry, Supes and Bats just get really old to me. Nice characters, just ...... kinda tired of the same old. New universe, same old crap.

Superman had a bad three years under writers like Robinson and McDuffie. He was due some respect from his peers.

Aquaman is supposed to take crap; that's one of the biggest parts of his new arc. Johns is building towards something, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman had a bad three years under writers like Robinson and McDuffie. He was due some respect from his peers.

Aquaman is supposed to take crap; that's one of the biggest parts of his new arc. Johns is building towards something, though.

I hope you're right. Always liked AM, he got dissed too much for too long. I think the character could be written SO much better than he has been historically.

Maybe this is a new day for AM.

(Still want Hal to kick Supes' butt once for respect)

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
I hope you're right. Always liked AM, he got dissed too much for too long. I think the character could be written SO much better than he has been historically.

Maybe this is a new day for AM.

(Still want Hal to kick Supes' butt once for respect)

You didn't like him in the 90s or 00s? Really?

Didn't like the hook hand.

Water hand was cool.

Just think he did too many jobs to ppl beneath him.

I do read DCNU.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Didn't like the hook hand.

Water hand was cool.

Just think he did too many jobs to ppl beneath him.

Ah.

Originally posted by carver9
I do read DCNU.

Scans in the ownage thread don't count.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah.



Scans in the ownage thread don't count.


Lol...no, I have quoted comics outside of the ownage thread. I read DCNU.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...no, I have quoted comics outside of the ownage thread. I read DCNU.

Then how do you explain your forgetfulness?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Then how do you explain your forgetfulness?


Uuuuummm...I didn't forget anything, you just misunderstood me.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuuuummm...I didn't forget anything, you just misunderstood me.

...

Originally posted by carver9
No, that's not what I said...I said if we base it off the Darkseid showing then yeah, she holds an edge. Doesn't mean that I think she would win, I'm just throwing stuff out there. She owned GL and Flash just like Superman did and she also kicked Superman some distance during this same fight. I don't know who would win out of these two...undecided.

Originally posted by -Pr-
...

Ok, you have a point "but" I was partially right, she had the advantage over GL and when Superman intervened, he got dropped kicked some distance. That was a good showing for Wondy imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, you have a point "but" I was partially right, she had the advantage over GL and when Superman intervened, he got dropped kicked some distance. That was a good showing for Wondy imo.

Stop trying to change the subject.

It's not like it's the first time you've stated happened in a comic when it didn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Stop trying to change the subject.

It's not like it's the first time you've stated happened in a comic when it didn't.

Lol...I don't remember the other instances.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I don't remember the other instances.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuuuummm...I didn't forget anything, you just misunderstood me.

Vicious circle.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Vicious circle.

"Other instances"!

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I don't remember the other instances.
Regrowing gladiator sandals.

Originally posted by carver9
"Other instances"!

-Sigh-

Saying Apollo beat Superman in a fight.
The Dark Dimension stuff.
Saying Superman's max speed was 2000mps.

Etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Regrowing gladiator sandals.

That too.

Oh there's also the time you were insistent Aquaman never stabbed Darkseid.

Originally posted by -Pr-
-Sigh-

Saying Apollo beat Superman in a fight.
The Dark Dimension stuff.
Saying Superman's max speed was 2000mps.

Etc.



That too.

OMG...how many times do we have to go through this. I never said Apollo would beat Supes, I said he would give him a fight "at his best".

I was on point with the Dark Dimension.

I didn't say Superman max speed was 2000 MPs, a bio made from the infinte crisis writer said that.

Aquaman stabbed Darkseid... scans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh there's also the time you were insistent Aquaman never stabbed Darkseid.

Can you stop helping him. Dang.

Originally posted by carver9
Can you stop helping him. Dang.

Lol Ok Ok, I'll stop.

Edit: one more. Why was the Martian fighting the JLA again?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol Ok Ok, I'll stop.

Edit: one more. Why was the Martian fighting the JLA again?

I wish I knew you in person, I would pimp slap the hell out of you.

Originally posted by carver9
I wish I knew you in person, I would pimp slap the hell out of you.

As long as you don't trip yourself up when you take a running start.

For Branlor:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f5lzxpzXhl4/T8Al8czhXoI/AAAAAAAAAb0/HU527Ro8xGk/s1600/justiceleague6b+aquaman+stabs+darkseid.jpg

http://www.placesandpredators.com/52/JL6b.jpg

Twice.

Originally posted by carver9
I wish I knew you in person, I would pimp slap the hell out of you.

Originally posted by carver9
"Other instances"!
Originally posted by carver9
Superman main (and only advantage) over Supergirl is his experience
And some of you support unlimited post editing. Shame on you. We wouldn't have these joyous moments with carver9. uhuh

Looking at the images above, I'm thinking Darkseid must either be using

a) avatar projection, as he did pre-DCnU

or

b) have unguessed-at healing factor at work.


Sorry now that I didn't collect that particular issue.


Absolutely insane ...

If having both eyes put out of commision didn't stop him, how in the world did the Justice League stop him?

They BFR'ed him IIRC.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They BFR'ed him IIRC.

Cyborg used Darkseid Tech against him and opened a portal which lead to the JLA dumping him in it.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG...how many times do we have to go through this. I never said Apollo would beat Supes, I said he would give him a fight "at his best".

I was on point with the Dark Dimension.

I didn't say Superman max speed was 2000 MPs, a bio made from the infinte crisis writer said that.

Yes you did.

No, you weren't.

No, he didn't. Yes, you did.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Looking at the images above, I'm thinking Darkseid must either be using

a) avatar projection, as he did pre-DCnU

or

b) have unguessed-at healing factor at work.


Sorry now that I didn't collect that particular issue.


Absolutely insane ...

If having both eyes put out of commision didn't stop him, how in the world did the Justice League stop him?

Superman, Cyborg and Batman.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG...how many times do we have to go through this. I never said Apollo would beat Supes, I said he would give him a fight "at his best".

I was on point with the Dark Dimension.

I didn't say Superman max speed was 2000 MPs, a bio made from the infinte crisis writer said that.


Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes you did.

No, you weren't.

No, he didn't. Yes, you did.



Superman, Cyborg and Batman.

And I just proved it here

You made yourself look foolish with your post.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Superman, Cyborg and Batman.



You are cheating!

In one form or another that's the answer to EVERY problem at DC Universe ...!

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

You are cheating!

In one form or another that's the answer to EVERY problem at DC Universe ...!



Superman physically fought Darkseid, staggering him, while Batman inspired Cyborg to use his ability to converse with Apokolyptan tech to somehow force Darkseid in to a boom tube.

One more question for you all, how DID Darkseid manage to cope with both eyes being attacked? Did the team use the plan just outlined at that point or was Darkseid able to continue fighting somehow?

Did he indeed have a healing factor that was just so good that, the moment he removed the trident and sword ( I remember that was Wonder Woman's plan in the issue before and/or the Newsarama preview) he was all better?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
One more question for you all, how DID Darkseid manage to cope with both eyes being attacked? Did the team use the plan just outlined at that point or was Darkseid able to continue fighting somehow?

Did he indeed have a healing factor that was just so good that, the moment he removed the trident and sword ( I remember that was Wonder Woman's plan in the issue before and/or the Newsarama preview) he was all better?

He just seemed that tough, but instead of telling you:

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836808_Justice_League_6_0014_copy.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836809_Justice_League_6_0015_copy.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836810_Justice_League_6_0017_copy.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836811_Justice_League_6_0018_copy.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836812_Justice_League_6_0020_copy.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836813_Justice_League_6_0021_copy.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836814_Justice_League_6_0024_copy.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12836815_Justice_League_6_0025_copy.jpg

From Justice League #6. Not all those pages are sequential as regards page number, but they are in order.

You actually loaded EIGHT scans in less than five minutes flat ...


I am firmly committed to KMC as my image host provider for reasons described in numerous places , but ...

That IS a great time saving advantage, I must admit, and this now the 2nd time I've seen it demonstrated so dramatically by someone.

(Have you any idea how much longer it takes to do that if you're constrained by a 250 KB size limit?)


Wow.


Thanks, P.R.




And thank you, too, Carver and DarkSaint!

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You actually loaded EIGHT scans in less than five minutes flat ...


I am firmly committed to KMC as my image host provider for reasons described in numerous places , but ...

That IS a great time saving advantage, I must admit, and this now the 2nd time I've seen it demonstrated so dramatically by someone.

(Have you any idea how much longer it takes to do that if you're constrained by a 250 KB size limit?)


Wow.


Thanks, P.R.




And thank you, too, Carver and DarkSaint!

I didn't use KMC.

it's called "turboimagehost". Unless you knew that.