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What if Marvel 7 were to take the place of the JLA big 7 from the start of there team formation..

Would the Marvel 7 be able 2 succeed in the DCu?

If they are 2 fall/fail as a team, when wold that be? against who would that be?

Marvel 7:
Cap.America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Silver Surfer
Spider-Man
Namor

Do you mean could Thor solo everything the jla have ever faced

No

Originally posted by Supermex
What if Marvel 7 were to take the place of the JLA big 7 from the start of there team formation..

Would the Marvel 7 be able 2 succeed in the DCu?

If they are 2 fall/fail as a team, when wold that be? against who would that be?

Marvel 7:
Cap.America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Silver Surfer
Spider-Man
Namor

Against Darkseid, they would only bfr him like the JLA did.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Do you mean could Thor solo everything the jla have ever faced

No

No not solo.. there going into the DCu as a team..

If this Marvel team follows the JLA history from its start, would they survive DCU or fail? if they fail when in JLA comic history would they fall or do they succeed in defending the DCU

With that lineup? They would fail. JLA's villains are generally more powerful than Avengers.

I didn't notice surfer but

As a whole the jla walk around with more mid to high heralds than the Avengers ever do

If the jla are struggling, and there a team of heralds the Avengers are going to start losing members

Thus no Thor cannot solo

I don't think that they would do too bad. They have speed, power, intel, and solid leadership.

Historically the JLA has been significantly more powerful than the Avengers. I don't see this team living up to the JLA history by any means. This isn't a Marvel diss... just not anywhere near as powerful a team.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Historically the JLA has been significantly more powerful than the Avengers. I don't see this team living up to the JLA history by any means. This isn't a Marvel diss... just not anywhere near as powerful a team.

Let's test this out then shall we?

Superman - Thor = Close
Wonder Woman - Spider-Man = Wonder Woman
Batman - Cap. America = Cap. America
Green Lantern - Silver Surfer = Silver Surfer
Flash - Iron Man = Flash
Martian Manhunter - Hulk = Hulk
Aquaman - Namor = Depends.

I think they would do fine.

Originally posted by Stoic
Let's test this out then shall we?

Superman - Thor = Close
Wonder Woman - Spider-Man = Wonder Woman
Batman - Cap. America = Cap. America
Green Lantern - Silver Surfer = Silver Surfer
Flash - Iron Man = Flash
Martian Manhunter - Hulk = Hulk
Aquaman - Namor = Depends.

I think they would do fine.

Superman > Thor and Asgarde isn't a factor in the DCU
WW >>>>> SPider man
Batman = Cap (no favorites
GL = Surfer (Hal or Kyle)
Flash >>>>>>> IM
MM >>>>>> Hulk based SOLELY on his role in the JLA. MM is a great bruiser if he needs to be, which is ALL Hulk is. MM also is a telepath, space traveler, think tank, etc. He filled a role Hulk cannot.
Aquaman = Namor

The Supes/Thor gap, WW/Spidey gap, and Flash/IM gaps are too big.

Hulk isn't gonna work in the DCU as a member of the JLA. First fight against Darkseid and he's useless.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Superman > Thor and Asgarde isn't a factor in the DCU
WW >>>>> SPider man
Batman = Cap (no favorites
GL = Surfer (Hal or Kyle)
Flash >>>>>>> IM
MM >>>>>> Hulk based SOLELY on his role in the JLA. MM is a great bruiser if he needs to be, which is ALL Hulk is. MM also is a telepath, space traveler, think tank, etc. He filled a role Hulk cannot.
Aquaman = Namor

The Supes/Thor gap, WW/Spidey gap, and Flash/IM gaps are too big.

Hulk isn't gonna work in the DCU as a member of the JLA. First fight against Darkseid and he's useless.


It really depends on which mental incarnation of the Hulk that you are speaking of. Bruce Banner in the role of the Hulk could very easily replace J'onn, and as far as tanks go, J'onn would have a far tougher time stopping Lobo, Grundy, or some other super tank.

The Surfer would waste a GL on average.

Spiderman may not be able to defeat Diana but he would bring more to the team than she does in terms of brains. I also wouldn't sleep on him, he has some very impressive feats.

Thor could easily replace Superman when speaking of power stunts, and handling villains.

Captain America would beat the hell out of Batman in a real fight, and he is a better tactician. Batman is smarter, and can solve mysteries better but they have Ironman on the team.

The flash would defeat Iron Man in a non prep battle, but if Tony put his mind to it, he would beat the Flash. Tony is all about prep. In terms of smarts, I'd go with Tony over Barry. After all Tony has more in terms of resources than Barry, and his tech is simply more practical.

Like I said they would do just fine, although I would have replaced Spiderman with Sersi, but this team would do very well in the DCU. You may just not want to recognize the marvels for their individual talents, and the things that they can bring to the table.

True, but don't forget Stoic, MM is almost never used as a tank - he's used more as a telepathic coordinator, sharing battle plans. Yes, the Avengers have Cap, but its a real advantage having the ability to share it amongst your team mates at the sped of thought.

Then of course, if you want to use BannerHulk, then his usefulness as a tank is decreased, and vice versa (not that you need a thinker, when you have Tony).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, but don't forget Stoic, MM is almost never used as a tank - he's used more as a telepathic coordinator, sharing battle plans. Yes, the Avengers have Cap, but its a real advantage having the ability to share it amongst your team mates at the sped of thought.

Then of course, if you want to use BannerHulk, then his usefulness as a tank is decreased, and vice versa (not that you need a thinker, when you have Tony).

1. Who's mental state do you believe was at the helm during WW Hulk?

2. Who needs TP when you have Tony and Spiderman providing comm. technology?

They would do just fine.

Cap >>> Batman

Unless you mean in full utility to the team

Hulks lack of flight and inability to work on a team make him useless

To compare spiderman to wonderwoman is dumb

Aquaman > Namor

Thor > 52 supes

One of the biggest things this Avengers team is missing is a telepath

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Cap >>> Batman

Unless you mean in full utility to the team

Hulks lack of flight and inability to work on a team make him useless

To compare spiderman to wonderwoman is dumb

Aquaman > Namor

Thor > 52 supes

One of the biggest things this Avengers team is missing is a telepath

The Hulk can and has worked well in a team environment. Have you forgotten Diana's blood lust? The Hulk can jump. Tony could also equip him with tech to fly.

Spiderman has brains that Diana never has, so he isn't as useless as you may at first believe.

Aquaman is not greater than Namor. The only thing that we have on panel is Namor resisting Aquaman's TP while all of the others fell. I didn't write it, but there it was on panel. Namor has the strength advantage. I'd call them near even.

Thor has more power than Superman, while Superman is stronger. This is not a battle between the two, but a comparison to how well the Marvel's would acclimate in the DCU.

Who needs TP when you have communications technology?

Ok let's say the enemy is in space the team is cut in half right there

Aquaman also has a whole nation behind him which makes him far more useful than Namor

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ok let's say the enemy is in space the team is cut in half right there

Aquaman also has a whole nation behind him which makes him far more useful than Namor

In this case Namor would be the King of Atlantis.

Batman can't fly is he useless?

Tony can build tech to allow for the entire team to operate in any environment short of a black hole, and that within itself is up for debate.

Namor has been poorly written and is more than a simple brick. Namor if fitted properly is quite the powerful blaster character if he were ever written to be geared up with high powered electro rods.

I really believe that this team would do well, and if they were in the DCU, you could be certain that Steve would likely recruit many other super powers. just think outside of the box, and you will realize that this team could replace the DC team.

A good question is how well would the DC team do in the Marvel U. I think that they would do well as well, but they would have their difficulties with guys like Galactus, Mephisto, Doom, Annihilus, Thanos... you know what I mean?

Captain Atom beats them all. Not joking.

Yes I guess your right if Steve gained a red, a white, and a blue set of rings and spiderman gained the helm of Nabu

Originally posted by Galan007
Captain Atom beats them all. Not joking.

How would the DC 7 do against Captain Atom then? Not that I doubt your word, just wondering.

Originally posted by Stoic
How would the DC 7 do against Captain Atom then? Not that I doubt your word, just wondering. Dunno who the 'DC 7' are, but assuming you mean Superman, WW, Hal, Flash, etc. he beats them as well. With ease.

CA is leaps and bounds above everyone in DC, atm.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno who the 'DC 7' are, but assuming you mean Superman, WW, Hal, Flash, etc. he beats them as well. With ease.

CA is leaps and bounds above everyone in DC, atm.

So they're going with the quantum anomaly approach. Not bad, I'm just wondering what took them so long.

The DC 7 are: Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Russian Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, and Sir Kyle Rayner.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno who the 'DC 7' are, but assuming you mean Superman, WW, Hal, Flash, etc. he beats them as well. With ease.

CA is leaps and bounds above everyone in DC, atm.
Just wait for a match with superman. Cap himself said "I'm no superman".uhuh

^ While I would love to see CA wipe his ass with Supes, I sincerely hope DC keeps the story more or less self-contained like it has been. It's been too good of a series to dilute it with a bunch of mainstream BS (that's one of the reasons I am beginning to like I, Vampire less and less these days.) Let the good Captain get cancelled with some dignity. uhuh

Ppl are forgetting the sheer versatility offerd by the Surfer for the Marvel team. Cosmics awareness, matter transmutation, even limited telepathy and his ability to find enemy weaknesses would really come in handy here.

Im going 2 say that each Marvel hero is inheriting there JLA counter part rival villians ..

Cap gets Batman's rivals..
Thor gets Supe's rivals..
Iron Man Green Lanterns rivals.
Hulk get WW rivals..
Surfer gets Manhunter an Lantern's rivals..
Spidey gets Flash's rivals..
Namor gets Aquaman's rivals..