Phoenix Namor vs Voidtry

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"Id"
Go!

byrdgang21
Voidtry

pym-ftw
The one who didn't lose to BP

"Id"
Yes well know Norrin is a loser. vin

the ninjak
Even though he had only a fifth of the PF, Namor was still a monster.

Still this is Voidtry...meaning even if Void is hit into Sentry state he is still in the battle. And Sentry can't die unless he wants to + Void can erupt in a few seconds. Rinse and repeat.

I would like to know what happens when Void sticks his tentacles into PFNamor. What would the effects be?
This ain't Thor here. It's a user of the PF.

This fight isn't so easy. Though I see Voidtry winning in the Endgame.

Golgo13
Namor.

guy222
p namor

the ninjak
Originally posted by Golgo13
Namor. Originally posted by guy222
p namor

I'm just curious...why?

GalacticStorm
Phoenix Namor.

A shard of the Phoenix Force can empower a host to juggle moons, create stars and blow up solar systems as Necrom demonstrated.

Each P5 member wields considerably more.

People are failing to take into consideration the fact that the P5 believe themselves to be the good guys and are trying to act with a level of restraint to reflect this. Namor attacked Wakanda to free a captured Utopia resident, the destructive urges of the PF and his own hot headed demeanor meant he didnt exactly conduct a heroic rescue attempt, however he was relatively restrained in comparison to what he could do wielding a fifth of the PF.

People are underestimating the significance of the P5s desire to be heroes on their showings.

Continuity has shown us what shards of the PF can do. Shards have put on better showings than any of the P5 members. Why?
Their intentions.

bbrem123
voidtry all day long

the Darkone
P Namor more versatile

Damborgson
If the Void didn't fully manifest, I'd say Namor. If it does fully manifest though, the void will eventually put him down.

The Sorrow
Bob

Mindset
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix Namor.

A shard of the Phoenix Force can empower a host to juggle moons, create stars and blow up solar systems as Necrom demonstrated.

Each P5 member wields considerably more.

People are failing to take into consideration the fact that the P5 believe themselves to be the good guys and are trying to act with a level of restraint to reflect this. Namor attacked Wakanda to free a captured Utopia resident, the destructive urges of the PF and his own hot headed demeanor meant he didnt exactly conduct a heroic rescue attempt, however he was relatively restrained in comparison to what he could do wielding a fifth of the PF.

People are underestimating the significance of the P5s desire to be heroes on their showings.

Continuity has shown us what shards of the PF can do. Shards have put on better showings than any of the P5 members. Why?
Their intentions. Or their abilities.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mindset
Or their abilities.

Given the abilities shards have bestowed on hosts and that the P5 members have access to considerably more of the PFs power individually, it is far more likely to be them holding back and trying to be heroes as they've stated through the series.

JakeTheBank
Namor displayed more than enough on his own to gauge his abilities. He doesn't get to use the feats of other empowered beings in the past.

Galan007
^ Exactly. If it is in character for members of the P5 to purposefully restrain the full extent of their abilities in battle, then that's exactly how they'd fight in a versus thread.

Void wins.

ares834
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Namor displayed more than enough on his own to gauge his abilities. He doesn't get to use the feats of other empowered beings in the past.

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Void wins.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Namor displayed more than enough on his own to gauge his abilities. He doesn't get to use the feats of other empowered beings in the past.

Ive made my point.

The characters have an agenda and they believe themselves heroes and as such have tried to act accordingly and have held the power in check.

Namor on panel levitated millions of tons (the tankers and the water in his attack) displaying enough power to wipe the floor with the Avengers and yet battle was a restrained affair all in line with Cyclops orders and all of their comments about being heroes.

All Phoenix hosts gain access to the same basic set of abilities. However youre right not all hosts are as competent with the power so the best showings of one dont apply for all hosts. However wielding a fifth of the life force of reality its feasible that fully unleashed each one are planet busters at least

Mindset
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given the abilities shards have bestowed on hosts and that the P5 members have access to considerably more of the PFs power individually, it is far more likely to be them holding back and trying to be heroes as they've stated through the series. Ok so he either can't or won't.

Doesn't change anything.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mindset
Ok so he either can't or won't.

Doesn't change anything.

Not really because fighting the Voidtry is a bit different to fighting who the P5 would call misguided "heroes". It would be within Namors character to kill or defeat an evil being to the best of his ability. Destroying evil wouldnt be against Cyclops mandate, or Namors personality.

So wont doesnt come into it.

As for cant, Namors displayed more raw power with the tk levitation of the tankers and the TK control of the water in his attack on Wakanda

Mindset
We don't know what Namor can do beside what he has done.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mindset
We don't know what Namor can do beside what he has done.

Thats true, we know he has a tremendous level of TK, being able to levitate millions of tons of weight and with enough physical strength to snap the limbs of a hulk. He demonstrated more raw power than Voidtry ever did.

Mindset
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats true, we know he has a tremendous level of TK, being able to levitate millions of tons of weight and with enough physical strength to snap the limbs of a hulk. He demonstrated more raw power than Voidtry ever did. I never compared their powers.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats true, we know he has a tremendous level of TK, being able to levitate millions of tons of weight and with enough physical strength to snap the limbs of a hulk. He demonstrated more raw power than Voidtry ever did. A weaker Void snapped Grulk like a twig... twice.

He also disintegrated Loki, which I'd put above levitating millions of tons.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
A weaker Void snapped Grulk like a twig... twice.

He also disintegrated Loki, which I'd put above levitating millions of tons.

Why was it a weaker Void? Was some power-up mentioned or referred to on panel to make Voidtry more powerful?

Furthermore how would incinerating a sub class 100 Asgardian be a greater showing of power than levitating millions of tons? confused

Magneto has incinerated beings stronger and more durable than Classic Rogue (class 50)

Magneto is leagues below a member of the P5 erm

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why was it a weaker Void? Was some power-up mentioned or referred to on panel to make Voidtry more powerful?

Furthermore how would incinerating a sub class 100 Asgardian be a greater showing of power than levitating millions of tons? confused

Magneto has incinerated beings stronger and more durable than Classic Rogue (class 50)

Magneto is leagues below a member of the P5 erm Because he took more serum before Seige.

Funny you mention Magneto considering all his feats of levitating millions of tons. Asteroid M chief among them.
Yet, do you think Magneto lifting this sort of thing is better than actually beating a very powerful character?

Hell, Thor and Herc were throwing the planet out of orbit, yet Thor can't just easily kill Loki.

JakeTheBank
Disintegrating Loki, who's notoriously hard to kill and has far greater control over his molecules than someone overtly more durable than the likes of Thor or Hercules, is a great feat, even if Loki planned to die.

Mindset
Didn't Magneto pull a planet sized bullet speeding away from Earth back?

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't Magneto pull a planet sized bullet speeding away from Earth back? Planet destroying that was moving at lightspeed.

Levitating millions or even billions of tons isn't too impressive compared to even Magneto.

It's a shame he's being written down in this series considering how the Magneto character has done against Jeanix in the past... but alas... better... story... ?

zopzop
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's a shame he's being written down in this series considering how the Magneto character has done against Jeanix in the past... but alas... better... story... ?
What did he do to Jean/Phoenix?

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by zopzop
What did he do to Jean/Phoenix? He beat a somewhat weakened Phoenix, and the Xorn character gave her a planetary stroke "killing" her.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because he took more serum before Seige.

Funny you mention Magneto considering all his feats of levitating millions of tons. Asteroid M chief among them.
Yet, do you think Magneto lifting this sort of thing is better than actually beating a very powerful character?

Hell, Thor and Herc were throwing the planet out of orbit, yet Thor can't just easily kill Loki.

Nothing as heavy as dozens of tankers each no doubt weighing 100s of thousands of tons or the volume of ocean Namor was moving around.

Thor cant or wont kill Loki?

Theyre brothers and as Thors distress at Lokis death and his hand in resurrecting him show he loves his brother no matter what.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Disintegrating Loki, who's notoriously hard to kill and has far greater control over his molecules than someone overtly more durable than the likes of Thor or Hercules, is a great feat, even if Loki planned to die.

When has Loki demonstrated greater durability than Thor or Hercules?

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nothing as heavy as dozens of tankers each no doubt weighing 100s of thousands of tons or the volume of ocean Namor was moving around.

Thor cant or wont kill Loki?

Theyre brothers and as Thors distress at Lokis death and his hand in resurrecting him show he loves his brother no matter what. Taking this at absolute truth (because I'd rather not argue a massive asteroid is heavier than what Namor did), it's still not better than the planet bullet.

Sure he can suck his soul, but he's never simply blasted Loki and disintegrated him.

Find it funny you're using the can't or won't arguing considering Namor's lack of... what do you call them... feats.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't Magneto pull a planet sized bullet speeding away from Earth back?

Wasnt Earth sized but it was big enough to do pose a threat to the planet. Furthermore it was a hollow shell of alien metal who's to say how much it weighed. It wasnt too big for Kitty Pryde to be able to phase in its entirety.

Mindset
There are planets smaller than Earth.

How does Kitty being able to phase it change anything?

Great feat for her.

Branlor Swift
It was Jean Claude Van Damme'd huge

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Taking this at absolute truth (because I'd rather not argue a massive asteroid is heavier than what Namor did), it's still not better than the planet bullet.

Sure he can suck his soul, but he's never simply blasted Loki and disintegrated him.

Find it funny you're using the can't or won't arguing considering Namor's lack of... what do you call them... feats.

It was a hollow shell of alien metal that Kitty Pryde was able to effect in its entirety.

I'll have to go back and look at some old x-men issues because i dont remember Asteroid M being that big.

As it stands Magneto a being considerably weaker than a fifth of the PF can casually incinerate a being stronger and more durable than classic Rogue. Casually.

Incinerating Lokis physical form is not that impressive, espcially when it all seemed part of Lokis plan.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When has Loki demonstrated greater durability than Thor or Hercules?

In terms of blunt force trauma and pain threshold, Loki is inferior to Thor and Hercules. However, given his nature as a shape shifter, he displays a far greater control over his molecules and physical form than either of them. Sure, you could knock out Loki easier than you could Thor/Herc. But considering Loki has had his head cut off and reattached it with no qualms, permanently killing him is going to be extremely difficult.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mindset
There are planets smaller than Earth.

How does Kitty being able to phase it change anything?

Great feat for her.

Because Kitty Pryde is traditionally not regarded as particularly powerful and the amount of mass she has been able to phase in the past has always been limited.

Despite that she was able to phase the entire bullet. It was a hollow shell of alien metal. Lets not make assumptions about how heavy it was.

Mindset
She wasn't until she did it.

It was the size of a planet and flying away from Earth at lightspeed.

Was "heavy" as shit.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In terms of blunt force trauma and pain threshold, Loki is inferior to Thor and Hercules. However, given his nature as a shape shifter, he displays a far greater control over his molecules and physical form than either of them. Sure, you could knock out Loki easier than you could Thor/Herc. But considering Loki has had his head cut off and reattached it with no qualms, permanently killing him is going to be extremely difficult.

This is all speculation. Loki is a shapeshifter through magic. His malleability comes through the invoking of said magic ability it is not inherent to his physicality. His inherent physical form is not more durable than Thors, his physical might is a class 30, less than Rogues.

Magneto incinerated Rax of the Neo a being stronger and more durable than Classic Rogue (class 50)

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mindset
She wasn't until she did it.

It was the size of a planet and flying away from Earth at lightspeed.

Was "heavy" as shit.

OR the hollow structure just wasnt as heavy as you think erm

Regardless its clear Magneto isnt as powerful as a member of the P5.

Magneto wields enough raw power to casually incinerate a being physically stronger than Classic Rogue or Loki.

The incineration of Loki is no great feat.

Mindset
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
OR the hollow structure just wasnt as heavy as you think erm

Regardless its clear Magneto isnt as powerful as a member of the P5.

Magneto wields enough raw power to casually incinerate a being physically stronger than Classic Rogue or Loki.

The incineration of Loki is no great feat.
Planet sized bullet moving at lightspeed.

Think about it.

Maybe not, but it's a better feat than the Namor one.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This is all speculation. Loki is a shapeshifter through magic. His malleability comes through the invoking of said magic ability it is not inherent to his physicality. His inherent physical form is not more durable than Thors, his physical might is a class 30, less than Rogues.

Magneto incinerated Rax of the Neo a being stronger and more durable than Classic Rogue (class 50)

There's no speculation about it. Whether the source of his malleability is natural or comes through magic, it doesn't matter in the end. The source of how he's durable is less important than the fact that he is. He certainly doesn't need to make lengthy incantations or anything; most of his magic is simply willed into being by thinking.

Even ignoring that, Loki's durable enough to take blows from the Destroyer Armor and Mjolnir without being KO'd, so even his physical blunt force durability is pretty high. Handbook ratings mean little to me, especially when on panel feats trump the often inaccurate descriptions given by them.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
OR the hollow structure just wasnt as heavy as you think erm

Regardless its clear Magneto isnt as powerful as a member of the P5.

Magneto wields enough raw power to casually incinerate a being physically stronger than Classic Rogue or Loki.

The incineration of Loki is no great feat.

Magneto can't incinerate Loki.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
There's no speculation about it. Whether the source of his malleability is natural or comes through magic, it doesn't matter in the end. The source of how he's durable is less important than the fact that he is. He certainly doesn't need to make lengthy incantations or anything; most of his magic is simply willed into being by thinking.

Even ignoring that, Loki's durable enough to take blows from the Destroyer Armor and Mjolnir without being KO'd, so even his physical blunt force durability is pretty high. Handbook ratings mean little to me, especially when on panel feats trump the often inaccurate descriptions given by them.

1)It is a magical ability that has to be willed.

2) it is not his inherent physical durability

3) Being able to shapeshift doesnt automatically make for greater durability. Hi Mystique erm Please show where its stated or explicitly demonstrated

At the end of the day, Loki is physically a class 30. He is no physical powerhouse, which is why he relies more on his mystical abilities. Classic Rogue is physically stronger, Rax of the Neo more so than Rogue.

Magneto casually incinerated Rax. CASUALLY. With the utmost exertion i see no reason why he couldnt do the same to a non mystically amped Loki. smile

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It was a hollow shell of alien metal that Kitty Pryde was able to effect in its entirety.

I'll have to go back and look at some old x-men issues because i dont remember Asteroid M being that big.

As it stands Magneto a being considerably weaker than a fifth of the PF can casually incinerate a being stronger and more durable than classic Rogue. Casually.

Incinerating Lokis physical form is not that impressive, espcially when it all seemed part of Lokis plan. Exactly, it was metal, and it was huge. Even if it was an inch thick, the thing would have weighed over billions of tons.

It was a sizable fortress to my recollection.

Well, let's go ahead and see this then. Plus, Mags is written down in the AVX series, so there's that as well.
Also, Rogue is no Loki. Hell, Loki is one of the few characters in comics to no sell Spider-Man. He's no average class 100 durability.

But it is. Loki's been hit by Surtur and hasn't been incinerated. Not saying that makes Void more powerful than Surtur, but it makes his feat pretty impressive.
And that's what this is, Void is as equally as impressive if not more so than Gaymor. You're better off with the implied power angle.

EDIT: lol at Magneto incinerating Loki.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1)It is a magical ability that has to be willed.

2) it is not his inherent physical durability

3) Being able to shapeshift doesnt automatically make for greater durability. Hi Mystique erm Please show where its stated or explicitly demonstrated

At the end of the day, Loki is physically a class 30. He is no physical powerhouse, which is why he relies more on his mystical abilities. Classic Rogue is physically stronger, Rax of the Neo more so than Rogue.

Magneto casually incinerated Rax. CASUALLY. With the utmost exertion i see no reason why he couldnt do the same to a non mystically amped Loki. smile

1.) Which is a part of his powerset and unless Loki wants to die or be demolecularized is a moot point. How it does it is irrelevant to the fact that he does it.

2.) Didn't say that. His inherent physical durability is enough to engage in prolonged battles against Thor. When Loki actually wants to fight, he's extremely formidable.

3.) Loki is a shapeshifter who's default durability is already exceptionally high (higher than his actual strength for sure). Combined, he's notoriously hard to put down and kill. The guy no sold a decapitation for Christ's sake.

"Physically class 30" means next to nothing in terms of feats. Citing a handbook over actual and consistent on panel feats is the only way you can come to the conclusion that Loki is some kind of weak feeb. Considering the crap Loki's endured, I don't see how Erik is casually vaporizing Loki. Also, suggesting non mystically amped Loki is akin to suggesting a Magneto who can't call upon electromagnetic manipulation. It's a part of his power set.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
EDIT: lol at Magneto incinerating Loki.

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Branlor Swift
What does mystically enhanced mean anyway when Loki is never being seen as amped?

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What does mystically enhanced mean anyway when Loki is never being seen as amped?

No idea. Unless he's referring to how Void ripped apart Loki who had the Norn Stones....which only further puts over how powerful both Loki and Void were in Siege.

But yeah, the idea Magneto is ripping apart Loki is laughable.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
1.) Which is a part of his powerset and unless Loki wants to die or be demolecularized is a moot point. How it does it is irrelevant to the fact that he does it.

2.) Didn't say that. His inherent physical durability is enough to engage in prolonged battles against Thor. When Loki actually wants to fight, he's extremely formidable.

3.) Loki is a shapeshifter who's default durability is already exceptionally high (higher than his actual strength for sure). Combined, he's notoriously hard to put down and kill. The guy no sold a decapitation for Christ's sake.

"Physically class 30" means next to nothing in terms of feats. Citing a handbook over actual and consistent on panel feats is the only way you can come to the conclusion that Loki is some kind of weak feeb. Considering the crap Loki's endured, I don't see how Erik is casually vaporizing Loki. Also, suggesting non mystically amped Loki is akin to suggesting a Magneto who can't call upon electromagnetic manipulation. It's a part of his power set.



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All this comes down to is being a shapeshifter does not automatically make you more durable. Again let me bring Mystique to your attention.

Furthermore even if it did (which it does not) its an ability he has to invoke mystically.

There is no evidence Loki did so before he got incinerated.

So all this talk of enhanced durability due to shapeshifting is moot erm

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All this comes down to is being a shapeshifter does not automatically make you more durable. Again let me bring Mystique to your attention.

Furthermore even if it did (which it does not) its an ability he has to invoke mystically.

There is no evidence Loki did so before he got incinerated.

So all this talk of enhanced durability due to shapeshifting is moot erm

Not really?

Loki is already, by default, pretty durable. One just has to look at his feats against people like Thor and Bill or even more powerful entities such as Surtur or the Destroyer Armor. Bringing up Mystique is a non point considering Loki's shape shifting is vastly superior to her own and already has incredible durability on top of that.

Loki is a mystical being who happens to be a god and elite mage, so a vast majority of his powers have to be invoked mystically. But it doesn't matter as its fair game as it's a part of his powerset. Just like Magneto has to invoke his manipulation of electromagnetic energy to perform, well, virtually all of his powers.

Again, this is the point being made:

-Loki, in spite of being physically inferior to most high heralds in terms of strength and durability, is still incredibly durable physically.

-Due to Loki's shapeshifting, which absolutely trounces Mystique's, Loki has a greater control of his body and molecules and makes him notoriously hard to kill.

Magneto isn't vaporizing Loki, sorry. Let alone Loki from Siege.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not really?

Loki is already, by default, pretty durable. One just has to look at his feats against people like Thor and Bill or even more powerful entities such as Surtur or the Destroyer Armor. Bringing up Mystique is a non point considering Loki's shape shifting is vastly superior to her own and already has incredible durability on top of that.

Loki is a mystical being who happens to be a god and elite mage, so a vast majority of his powers have to be invoked mystically. But it doesn't matter as its fair game as it's a part of his powerset. Just like Magneto has to invoke his manipulation of electromagnetic energy to perform, well, virtually all of his powers.

Again, this is the point being made:

-Loki, in spite of being physically inferior to most high heralds in terms of strength and durability, is still incredibly durable physically.

-Due to Loki's shapeshifting, which absolutely trounces Mystique's, Loki has a greater control of his body and molecules and makes him notoriously hard to kill.

Magneto isn't vaporizing Loki, sorry. Let alone Loki from Siege.

How durable Loki is prior to invoking his shapeshifting is a moot point. You have yet to prove that him invoking his shape shifting ability enhances his base durability. Furthermore Mystique as a shape shifter doesnt have beyond human durability. Why must you assume Lokis ability makes him enhanced? Where is the point stated on panel? Seems like an assumption youve made. Not good enough erm

Lokis shape shifting once again is an ability he has to invoke. So even if we were to say it increases his durability (which you have no proof of) then there is no evidence whatsoever (not artistically or by statement in the comic)to suggest he had invoked said ability prior to getting cremated.

With that in mind talking about how durable you think his shapeshifting makes Loki and then trying to hype Voidtrys feat of destroying Loki when u cant prove it makes him more durable or that the ability was even on at that point in the comic make your point moot erm

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How durable Loki is prior to invoking his shapeshifting is a moot point. You have yet to prove that him invoking his shape shifting ability enhances his base durability. Furthermore Mystique as a shape shifter doesnt have beyond human durability. Why must you assume Lokis ability makes him enhanced? Where is the point stated on panel? Seems like an assumption youve made. Not good enough erm

Lokis shape shifting once again is an ability he has to invoke. So even if we were to say it increases his durability (which you have no proof of) then there is no evidence whatsoever (not artistically or by statement in the comic)to suggest he had invoked said ability prior to getting cremated.

With that in mind talking about how durable you think his shapeshifting makes Loki and then trying to hype Voidtrys feat of destroying Loki when u cant prove it makes him more durable or that the ability was even on at that point in the comic make your point moot erm

Why you keep dragging Mystique into this when Loki's shapeshifting is far more potent than her and he's across the board way more powerful is beyond me. Completely different scales. And ultimately irrelevant. And yeah, even Mystique has beyond human capabilties physically due to her shape shifting...part of the reason why she has enhanced longevity and a healing factor. erm But when Mystique can take her decapitated head and place it on her shoulders and reattach it, maybe she'll be relevant to the conversation.

Loki was amped by Norn Stones when he got destroyed by the Void, which means Magneto can do the same...how? Citing handbook statistics and how Rogue is tougher than Loki - not true, by the way - doesn't make sense, either.

cdtm
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When has Loki demonstrated greater durability than Thor or Hercules?

He tanked a direct hit from Surtur's COAW amped Twilight Sword. Bounced right back.

And Surtur took out Odin with that thing.

JakeTheBank
Loki, on the average isn't > Odin, Thor, or Hercules in durability.

But he is, on the average, incredibly durable, more so than what handbooks would have you believe with their "stats".

cdtm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Loki, on the average isn't > Odin, Thor, or Hercules in durability.

But he is, on the average, incredibly durable, more so than what handbooks would have you believe with their "stats".

True. And some of his higher feats are insane.

Like letting Balder lop his head off just to mess with him, than casually setting it back in place once he leaves.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by cdtm
True. And some of his higher feats are insane.

Like letting Balder lop his head off just to mess with him, than casually setting it back in place once he leaves.

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GalacticStorm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why you keep dragging Mystique into this when Loki's shapeshifting is far more potent than her and he's across the board way more powerful is beyond me. Completely different scales. And ultimately irrelevant. And yeah, even Mystique has beyond human capabilties physically due to her shape shifting...part of the reason why she has enhanced longevity and a healing factor. erm But when Mystique can take her decapitated head and place it on her shoulders and reattach it, maybe she'll be relevant to the conversation.

Loki was amped by Norn Stones when he got destroyed by the Void, which means Magneto can do the same...how? Citing handbook statistics and how Rogue is tougher than Loki - not true, by the way - doesn't make sense, either.

Im seeing a lot of avoidance here mate and a focus on parts of what ive said without and talking about them instead of answering my questions and providing the proof you need to for your argument to actually hold weight.

What proof have you got that Lokis shape shifting makes him more durable?

If we were to assume that unproven point correct, what proof have you got that he had invoked that ability just before being incinerated?

Now youre mentioning the Norn Stones. Cool. Can you tell me what effect they had on Loki in that scene apart from amping his energy projection, because you do know as stated by Loki himself the effects of the stones vary from user to user and i hope youre not assuming that Lokis durability was amped and are then gonna try and use that point to hype Voidtrys feat further? shifty

abhilegend
Void wins. Xavier owned phoenix namor, sentry mindwiped xavier.

Galan007
Sentry also atomized Molecule Man. Just saying.

TheGodKiller
Void gets a definitive win here .

Naija boy
Void with clearly more impressive feats.

DarkSaint85
Voidy

carver9
Originally posted by Naija boy
Void with clearly more impressive feats.

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