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Thor is pissed and stomps the earth as hard as he can. How many times until the earth cracks in half? Does it ever?

Maybe the potato chips under his feet crack in half.

......maybe

Can he call for help?

Whose he gonna call?





wait for it....

Ghostbusters!!!

Going by recent feats, the Earth KOs Thor first.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Going by recent feats, the Earth KOs Thor first.

Golden

Originally posted by Mshinu
Going by recent feats, the Earth KOs Thor first.

damn.

so what you're saying is Thor breaks his ankle trying to crack da earf, and da sheer pain makes him faint?

damn.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/17/25900455.jpg


mhmm

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Thor is pissed and stomps the earth as hard as he can. How many times until the earth cracks in half? Does it ever? No. But he makes a very deep, red-hot footprint, up to his crotch.

As far as I'm concerned, no one should be able to punch or kick a planet to pieces. The human-sized fist/foot is too small a surface area to generate wide-ranging shock waves, and the immediate rock would just be pulverized/vaporized under all that power like so much talc.

RW physics ftw.

The earth no sells the stomp.

Thors Ankle bones shatter and whilst he's on the floor screaming in agony some passing badger one shots him.

Originally posted by "Id"
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/17/25900455.jpg


mhmm

I don't think Thor qualifies as a high herald anymore.

Originally posted by Nihilist
The earth no sells the stomp.

Thors Ankle bones shatter and whilst he's on the floor screaming in agony some passing badger one shots him.



http://wildcru.org/uploads/uploads/46785532.jpg

"oh shit now's my chance!"

Thor makes a pot hole

Originally posted by "Id"
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/17/25900455.jpg


mhmm



That's weird, Eric MAsterson Thor destroyed a planet with the hammer go figure!




I think Thor can make crater, since he is the son of Gaea

Given enough time, a high end class 100 on Thor's level should be able to cause catastrophic damage to the planet with repeated stomps. No telling when he'd actually cause the Earth to split though.

leave it to jake to be srs

sneer

http://i.minus.com/iFGDa5CyLrAde.gif

Phucking Jake you Homo.

Anyways we saw Thor smash a planet in one of his encounters with the Phoenix Force.

No he didn't.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Going by recent feats, the Earth KOs Thor first.



Originally posted by CosmicComet


http://wildcru.org/uploads/uploads/46785532.jpg

"oh shit now's my chance!"

laughcry

Originally posted by "Id"
Phucking Jake you Homo.

Anyways we saw Thor smash a planet in one of his encounters with the Phoenix Force.

It was not the Phoenix Force who did that ?

But i believe Thor can do that, since Gladiador did and Bill destroyed a planet or micro planet with ease.

Originally posted by CosmicComet


http://wildcru.org/uploads/uploads/46785532.jpg

"oh shit now's my chance!"

Originally posted by eaebiakuya


But i believe Thor can do that, since Gladiador did and Bill destroyed a planet or micro planet with ease.

For sure. Thor's noticeably superior to Gladiator and => Bill. There's no reason he can't.

edit: oh and as for the thread, the planet breaks after a bit. Thor's strength unrestrained isn't matched easily. The planet would collapse sooner than later.

Originally posted by Damborgson
For sure. Thor's noticeably superior to Gladiator and => Bill. There's no reason he can't.

edit: oh and as for the thread, the planet breaks after a bit. Thor's strength unrestrained isn't matched easily. The planet would collapse sooner than later.


The Earth's mass and weight are pretty large. Not sure if I can see it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
For sure. Thor's noticeably superior to Gladiator and => Bill. There's no reason he can't.

edit: oh and as for the thread, the planet breaks after a bit. Thor's strength unrestrained isn't matched easily. The planet would collapse sooner than later.

Lol...Thor doesnt have any of Gladiator strength fts.

Thor is low end class 100.

Yep.

Closer to Ben Grimm than Hulk.


IMO.

Closer to Rhino than Thing

woah now

woah

Ikr? Current Rhino is a beast.

word

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Thor doesnt have any of Gladiator strength fts.

Lol...your right Thor's are superior.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t551447.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t551447.html



http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln6f5nK5GE1ql0kt3o1_400.gif

Originally posted by Stoic
The Earth's mass and weight are pretty large. Not sure if I can see it.

I can.

What's Thor best lifting ft?

Originally posted by carver9
What's Thor best lifting ft? Why? Whats gladz best lifting feat?

Lifting Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
What's Thor best lifting ft?

A struggling planetary sized serpent/Moving yggdrasil in a weakened state iirc. Whats Gladiators best lifting feat?

The Midgard serpent, with over 9000 earth weights.

What's Thor's best stomping feat?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Midgard serpent, with over 9000 earth weights.

Thats from the official h1 handbook

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thats from the official h1 handbook

I bet when that meme took off and everyone was just rolling with it, h1 spent 20 pages on calcs proving whether it is, in fact, over 9,000...

Originally posted by Damborgson
A struggling planetary sized serpent/Moving yggdrasil in a weakened state iirc. Whats Gladiators best lifting feat?

Pushing an asteroid that was big enough to cover an entire star lane. Throwing a speeding ship out of orbit that was about to destroy Earth. How big is yggdrasil?

Originally posted by Mindset
What's Thor's best stomping feat? http://acomicshop.com/web/toppicks/2010/01272010/thor.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Pushing an asteroid that was big enough to cover an entire star lane. Throwing a speeding ship out of orbit that was about to destroy Earth. How big is yggdrasil?
about as big as Zeus' pen0r

Originally posted by Zack Fair
http://acomicshop.com/web/toppicks/2010/01272010/thor.jpg LOL

Originally posted by Zack Fair
http://acomicshop.com/web/toppicks/2010/01272010/thor.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Midgard serpent, with over 9000 earth weights.

Nope, not even 1 Earth weight.



Originally posted by Damborgson
Thats from the official h1 handbook


Originally posted by cdtm
I bet when that meme took off and everyone was just rolling with it, h1 spent 20 pages on calcs proving whether it is, in fact, over 9,000...

Nope, didn't calculate that someone else did and they fudged it up too.

Thor is stronger than gladiator. That's not debatable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor is stronger than gladiator. That's not debatable. but..iluru

Originally posted by Mindset
What's Thor's best stomping feat?

i think from your sig, he was stomping Hulk's fists purty good with his face.

Originally posted by carver9
Pushing an asteroid that was big enough to cover an entire star lane. Throwing a speeding ship out of orbit that was about to destroy Earth. How big is yggdrasil?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength43494.jpg

huge. Not to mention it shares a connection to the 9 realms. But there isn't enough evidence to prove he moved them and not just the tree.

Masterson Thor also matched Gladiator in a direct contest of strength, and since he doesn't carry the full strength of Thor....

But even if you believe Gladiator is stronger than Thor, he will not just punch the planet. He will hit with his magical hammer.

A hammer hit, should be at least in Gladiator level.

Thor isn't quite as strong as Gladiator but can hit harder with Mjolnir. It would take him quite a while but he could eventually destroy Earth by stomping.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Thor isn't quite as strong as Gladiator but can hit harder with Mjolnir. It would take him quite a while but he could eventually destroy Earth by stomping.


This is what I was thinking as well. Thor is hellava strong though.

Thor would kick sand in his own face by accident and run home crying.

This makes me think of a scenario... If Hulk's foot went to sleep, would he get angry at it and try to stomp? (Thereby falling on his green ass and technically one-shotting himself?)

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Thor isn't quite as strong as Gladiator but can hit harder with Mjolnir. It would take him quite a while but he could eventually destroy Earth by stomping.

Ok I guess greater strength feats don't make you stronger these days.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator4.jpg

^unable to overpower Masterson Thor

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7701/thor44109.jpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/51/thorvsmastersonthor2.jpg

^ who is pretty obviously not intended to be as strong as the real deal.

He only assumed.

No proof.

Masterson is stronger than Thor by a lot.

@Damborgson...

You do know Masterson stalemated Thor in a prolong fight right? Also, I'm not impressed at all with Thor strength fts...especially his lifting fts.

Originally posted by Mindset
He only assumed.

No proof.

Masterson is stronger than Thor by a lot.

http://leyrick.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/black_guy_bangs_your_woman.jpg

Does Thor even lift?

Originally posted by carver9
@Damborgson...

You do know Masterson stalemated Thor in a prolong fight right? Also, I'm not impressed at all with Thor strength fts...especially his lifting fts.

nice dodge

so what? He beat the crap out of Gladiator, and Thor overpowered Masterson multiple times in that fight. He was fighting to get Mjolnir not kill Masterson.

I'm doing this to porve you wrong, not impress you.

Originally posted by Mindset
Does Thor even lift?

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://leyrick.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/black_guy_bangs_your_woman.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
nice dodge

so what? He beat the crap out of Gladiator, and Thor overpowered Masterson multiple times in that fight. He was fighting to get Mjolnir not kill Masterson.

I'm doing this to porve you wrong, not impress you.


You're not proving me wrong because Thor strength fts sucks.

Originally posted by carver9
You're not proving me wrong because Thor strength fts sucks.
Yet better than Gladiators

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yet better than Gladiators

Concession accepted.

Like what? Him turning the wheels? What strength fts does Thor have? Moving a large snake with a fishing pole and floating boat? WTF.

Originally posted by carver9
You're not proving me wrong because Thor strength fts sucks.

Then pretty much every Marvel herald bar hulk has sucky feats too, given how superior Thor is to them.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Then pretty much every Marvel herald bar hulk has sucky feats too, given how superior Thor is to them.

Thor doesn't have pure strength fts at all. We know he is as strong as any other Herald due to his fights.

Originally posted by carver9
Like what? Him turning the wheels? What strength fts does Thor have? Moving a large snake with a fishing pole and floating boat? WTF.

The ones I showed you. Or the ones in the thread I posted but you ignored.

A planetary sized mythical beast with nothing but strength alone. That stomps anything Gladiator has done.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor doesn't have pure strength fts at all. We know he is as strong as any other Herald due to his fights.

lol, have you ever even read Thor?

Originally posted by Damborgson
The ones I showed you. Or the ones in the thread I posted but you ignored.

A planetary sized mythical beast with nothing but strength alone. That stomps anything Gladiator has done.

I find this more impressive. Gladiator being hit by a solar system destroying blast and CONTAINS it so tight that it creates a star.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/wtfshipmh5.jpg/

Your fts are lame.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, have you ever even read Thor?

Yes, that's why I am saying what I am saying.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, that's why I am saying what I am saying.

This isn't Bizarro world.

Good feats means he has feats.

lol @ that "star creation" one though.

Originally posted by carver9
I find this more impressive. Gladiator being hit by a solar system destroying blast and CONTAINS it so tight that it creates a star.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/wtfshipmh5.jpg/

Your fts are lame.

an over-exaggerated feat. nice

You overstated it by about half a solar system. And he contained the energy. It's not like a start now exists next to Pluto lol.

Regardless, Gladiator proving to be unable to overpower a weaker version of Thor, as well as Thor stalemating foes like savage Hulk in direct strength tests, are even more reason to prove Thor > Gladiator in strength.

Gladiator is lame

BTW: nice pure strength feat example. For the amount of bitching you've done for them, posting that scan makes sense.

Originally posted by Damborgson
an over-exaggerated feat. nice

You overstated it by about half a solar system. And he contained the energy. It's not like a start now exists next to Pluto lol.

Regardless, Gladiator proving to be unable to overpower a weaker version of Thor, as well as Thor stalemating foes like savage Hulk in direct strength tests, are even more reason to prove Thor > Gladiator in strength.

Gladiator is lame

Which is the point...he contains the blast before it destroys anything and contains it with enough force that it created a star.

Masterson=Thor and Masterson got worked by Gladiator with a couple of well placed blows whereas Thor had a prolong fight with Masterson. Thor strength fts are lame. What's his best lifting ft with his hands?

Originally posted by Damborgson
BTW: nice pure strength feat example. For the amount of bitching you've done for them, posting that scan makes sense.


You bring up Thor moving a snake with a fishing pole as a strength ft. WTF. I can post Gladiator lifting the Baxter building and you won't have a single lifting ft to counter it. I don't even have to post Gladiator moving planetary size objects.

Gladiator's gay haircut voids all his feats, that and his bratty kid.

Originally posted by the Darkone
That's weird, Eric MAsterson Thor destroyed a planet with the hammer go figure!




I think Thor can make crater, since he is the son of Gaea

The one in that scan was Ego's brother. Living planets are a bit more difficult to destroy than regular ones...

He said 'atomize' by the way.

Atomizing a planet is, I don't know, probably at least billions of times more difficult than breaking one.

From the respect thread..
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength24281.jpg
An under appreciated feat of strength I always thought was this. He took a large piece of an alien tank and compressed that shiet so fast into a Mjolnir sized hammer. I mean how the fuq did he compress that big @$$ piece of metal into a relatively small piece of hammer? And so fast. Fast enough he did it mid battle. That's fuqin impressive. I can only imagine how dense that hammer was.

Originally posted by carver9
Which is the point...he contains the blast before it destroys anything and contains it with enough force that it created a star.

Masterson=Thor and Masterson got worked by Gladiator with a couple of well placed blows whereas Thor had a prolong fight with Masterson. Thor strength fts are lame. What's his best lifting ft with his hands?

No.

No.

Originally posted by carver9
You bring up Thor moving a snake with a fishing pole as a strength ft. WTF. I can post Gladiator lifting the Baxter building and you won't have a single lifting ft to counter it. I don't even have to post Gladiator moving planetary size objects.

The snake thing is far more impressive than lifting the Baxter Building, though.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
From the respect thread..
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength24281.jpg
An under appreciated feat of strength I always thought was this. He took a large piece of an alien tank and compressed that shiet so fast into a Mjolnir sized hammer. I mean how the fuq did he compress that big @$$ piece of metal into a relatively small piece of hammer? And so fast. Fast enough he did it mid battle. That's fuqin impressive. I can only imagine how dense that hammer was.

Eh...Not bad.

It's not his best speed feat though.

That has to be when he built that tower in like a few minutes.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Not bad.

It's not his best speed feat though.

That has to be when he built that tower in like a few minutes.

I like this better.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed09Avengers098.jpg

But back to that molding into a hammer thing. That was fuqin impressive.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I like this better.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed09Avengers098.jpg

But back to that molding into a hammer thing. That was fuqin impressive.

It wasn't all that impressive.

The most impressive thing about it was the sheer size of the metal at first.

If I had a clay ball that big and I was strong enough to compress it as easily as Thor could compress steel, I could probably make a crude shaped hammer (and the hammer he made is crude as the panel says) within maybe 15 minutes.

That being said, Thor clearly did it in seconds, which means he's far faster than normal humans, but we already KNEW that.

As for the one you just posted, that's a far less complex task than building a tower. He's just making a trench around people, and considering how big of a hole he can make with just one hammer strike, it becomes even less impressive. Besides that, he wasn't even invisible to the naked human eye, just 'almost' invisible, if i recall correctly. So not all that impressive by peak comic book human standards.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It wasn't all that impressive.

The most impressive thing about it was the sheer size of the metal at first.

If I had a clay ball that big and I was strong enough to compress it as easily as Thor could compress steel, I could probably make a crude shaped hammer (and the hammer he made is crude as the panel says) within maybe 15 minutes.

That being said, Thor clearly did it in seconds, which means he's far faster than normal humans, but we already KNEW that.

As for the one you just posted, that's a far less complex task than building a tower. He's just making a trench around people, and considering how big of a hole he can make with just one hammer strike, it becomes even less impressive. Besides that, he wasn't even invisible to the naked human eye, just 'almost' invisible, if i recall correctly. So not all that impressive by peak comic book human standards.

forget the speed. dude did you see where all that metal went? into that small @$$ hammer that's where! he forced that big @$$ piece of metal into that hammer. it aint go nowhere... he compressed dat shiet up.
ure clay analogy just doesnt work here brah.

It's absolutely not impressive in that regard.

I thought Thor was supposed to be a 'high herald' level being?

What's so impressive about compressing a chunk of steel into the size of a hammer for someone of his supposed stature?

Lobo shits on that feat. He compressed an entire city into the size of a gumball in seconds, casually at that. That's a far superior speed feat, and a far superior strength feat.

Thor's is an ok speed feat, if only for being able to do in a few seconds, whereas if I was that strong it would probably take me minutes to make that shape. As a strength feat, it is low as hell.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
From the respect thread..
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength24281.jpg
An under appreciated feat of strength I always thought was this. He took a large piece of an alien tank and compressed that shiet so fast into a Mjolnir sized hammer. I mean how the fuq did he compress that big @$$ piece of metal into a relatively small piece of hammer? And so fast. Fast enough he did it mid battle. That's fuqin impressive. I can only imagine how dense that hammer was.

Thing did the exact same thing with a car.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's absolutely not impressive in that regard.

I thought Thor was supposed to be a 'high herald' level being?

What's so impressive about compressing a chunk of steel into the size of a hammer for someone of his supposed stature?

Lobo shits on that feat. He compressed an entire city into the size of a gumball in seconds, casually at that. That's a far superior speed feat, and a far superior strength feat.

Thor's is an ok speed feat, if only for being able to do in a few seconds, whereas if I was that strong it would probably take me minutes to make that shape. As a strength feat, it is low as hell.
Yeah but Lobo abstract level.

Originally posted by carver9
Thing did the exact same thing with a car.

alien tank metal > flimsy car metal

But the ball Thing created was busting through class 100's.

Originally posted by carver9
Which is the point...he contains the blast before it destroys anything and contains it with enough force that it created a star.

Masterson=Thor and Masterson got worked by Gladiator with a couple of well placed blows whereas Thor had a prolong fight with Masterson. Thor strength fts are lame. What's his best lifting ft with his hands?

Lie.

Lie.

Masterson Thor was dazed, then proceeded to beat the crap out Gladiator. A Thor who was only trying to Get Mjolnir away from him overpowered him multiple times and didn't try for the KO. Unlike Gladiator.

Gladiator's history is lame.

Midgard serpent.

Originally posted by carver9
You bring up Thor moving a snake with a fishing pole as a strength ft. WTF. I can post Gladiator lifting the Baxter building and you won't have a single lifting ft to counter it. I don't even have to post Gladiator moving planetary size objects.

You bring up the hulk body slamming his wife as a strength feat.

I can post Thor lifting half of Asgard (which is >>> any single skyscraper) and prove you wrong.

You better. It's the only way he stays in a strength competition with Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-

The snake thing is far more impressive than lifting the Baxter Building, though.

Considering is was with a fishing line, especially. Easier to lift a fish normally than reel it in, after all...

Masterson Thor vs Gladiator, from Thor #445:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator01445.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator05.jpg


^ Masterson Thor vs Gladiator

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor01458.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor03459.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor07.jpg


^Masterson Thor vs Thor

@Damborgson...


You might want to look at the Asgard lifting ft. It isn't Thor and Bill that is lifting it, its their hammers. Look at the scans. Thor and Bill isn't even touching the rock.

Maybe you need to follow your own advice.

5:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFXt9zRCq6c&feature=plcp

you better believe they lifted it

As for your scans Damborgson, Masterson and Thor stalemated. Masterson was physically thrashed by Gladiator and had to resort to a sneak attack to gain an advantage and then it wasn't even his own power. Before the sneak attack, Masterson got crushed.

Originally posted by carver9
As for your scans Damborgson, Masterson and Thor stalemated. Masterson was physically thrashed by Gladiator and had to resort to a sneak attack to gain an advantage and then it wasn't even his own power. Before the sneak attack, Masterson got crushed.

Lol @ the sheer desperation to call that a sneak attack. They were fighting, and Masterson used his lighting control. Did you want him to announce it or something?

They were fighting...Masterson got stomped which lead to Gladiator standing above him laughing. By some miracle, Living Lightning was flying around during this fight...Masterson manipulates living lightning while Gladiator is still standing over Masterson laughing at how weak he is. Masterson hits him with someone else powers while Gladiator didn't even know he was manipulating something outside of his powers (since Masterson own power from his hammer bounced off of Gladiators chest like it was nothing)...he stuns Gladiator and admits that he finally stunned him (without using his own power) and he pounds on a limp, already defeated Glads. Hurray. Before manipulating LL, Masterson wasn't any competition and his body went limp at least twice during that fight. His attacks were meaningless and his durability couldn't withstand Gladiator assault. You trying to twist that fight into something that it is not isn't helping your argument.

Carver, you still want the sig?

PM me any details dude.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Carver, you still want the sig?

PM me any details dude.

Yeah, if you have time, I still want it. I will send you a PM of everything.

k, love ya man. later.

Originally posted by CosmicComet


k, love ya man. later.

Remember, if it has The Gamma SkyCarver anywhere in it, DarkSaint Productions has copyright.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Remember, if it has The Gamma SkyCarver anywhere in it, DarkSaint Productions has copyright.

Lol...I was planning on putting that on the Sig.

The more I read it, the more I like it, actually. One of my better efforts, I dare say.

Originally posted by carver9
You trying to twist that fight into something that it is not isn't helping your argument.

Irony?

Originally posted by carver9
They were fighting...Masterson got stomped which lead to Gladiator standing above him laughing. By some miracle, Living Lightning was flying around during this fight...Masterson manipulates living lightning while Gladiator is still standing over Masterson laughing at how weak he is. Masterson hits him with someone else powers while Gladiator didn't even know he was manipulating something outside of his powers (since Masterson own power from his hammer bounced off of Gladiators chest like it was nothing)...he stuns Gladiator and admits that he finally stunned him (without using his own power) and he pounds on a limp, already defeated Glads. Hurray. Before manipulating LL, Masterson wasn't any competition and his body went limp at least twice during that fight. His attacks were meaningless and his durability couldn't withstand Gladiator assault. You trying to twist that fight into something that it is not isn't helping your argument.

You can't be weak and matach someones strength. The difference in ability was obvious in taht Gladiator has mastery over his powerset. Masterson was a noob.

At no point did Masterson hammer bounce off Gladiators chest. A blast from Masterson bounced off and caused Gladiator a great deal of pain.

At no point did his body go limp. Even it had so what? He was the last man standing.

Using living lighting because he was lighting is somehow unfair? Might as well say Namor was being unfair for clubbing Ares by using Simon. He was after all using the durability of another character to do it.

I'm describing it exactly as it is and it very much is helping my argument.

Oh P.S. I'm excited to see your new sig lol. I've never seen you have one on here before.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Lol @ the sheer desperation to call that a sneak attack. They were fighting, and Masterson used his lighting control. Did you want him to announce it or something?

Originally posted by carver9
Thor doesn't have pure strength fts at all. We know he is as strong as any other Herald due to his fights.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Ok I guess greater strength feats don't make you stronger these days.
He doesn't have greater pure strength feats. What he does have is better striking feats with Mjolnir which I said in my last post.

The problem with Thor is most of his best strength feats are from like 30 years ago+ and even then he was still at best as strong as Gladiator, current Thor is definitely not stronger.

After Thor stomps the Earth a few dozen times to no discernible effect, Hulk stomps it once from the other side of the planet, splitting it in haf and knocking Thor out.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
He doesn't have greater pure strength feats. What he does have is better striking feats with Mjolnir which I said in my last post.

The problem with Thor is most of his best strength feats are from like 30 years ago+ and even then he was still at best as strong as Gladiator, current Thor is definitely not stronger.

I agree.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
He doesn't have greater pure strength feats. What he does have is better striking feats with Mjolnir which I said in my last post.

The problem with Thor is most of his best strength feats are from like 30 years ago+ and even then he was still at best as strong as Gladiator, current Thor is definitely not stronger.

well what a compelling argument. I am forced to agree....... I know you did. But that becomes even more one sided in Thors favor so their is no point in arguing it.

So what? Same character, same history, same feats. Feats dont age or go away unless there is something that rectons them. Like in supermans case. At his best he is > gladiator in strength. The current version of Thor getting jobbed doesnt take his decades of feats away.

A weaker version of himself stalemated Gladiators strength. one who thor overpowered. Not to mention better lifting feats and beter showings in general.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Irony?
Overload.....

Originally posted by Damborgson
well what a compelling argument. I am forced to agree....... I know you did. But that becomes even more one sided in Thors favor so their is no point in arguing it.

So what? Same character, same history, same feats. Feats dont age or go away unless there is something that rectons them. Like in supermans case. At his best he is > gladiator in strength. The current version of Thor getting jobbed doesnt take his decades of feats away.

A weaker version of himself stalemated Gladiators strength. one who thor overpowered. Not to mention better lifting feats and beter showings in general.
... ? As compelling a response as your quote of my post required.

No but a character can clearly either surpass or fall below those levels and the strength/durability of Thor is simply not as impressive as it was back then. That changed really after his relaunch in 2007.

Masterson wasn't weaker than normal Thor but he was a noob, and he got pwned until he was let back into the fight by Gladiators overconfidence. If Thor has a better strength feat than Gladiator it's marginal, Gladiator is a planet mover/destroyer Thor isn't, at least not without Mjolnir.

Thors been getting his ass beat so much Rage has gone on a hiatus

Originally posted by The Sorrow
... ? As compelling a response as your quote of my post required.

No but a character can clearly either surpass or fall below those levels and the strength/durability of Thor is simply not as impressive as it was back then. That changed really after his relaunch in 2007.

Masterson wasn't weaker than normal Thor but he was a noob, and he got pwned until he was let back into the fight by Gladiators overconfidence. If Thor has a better strength feat than Gladiator it's marginal, Gladiator is a planet mover/destroyer Thor isn't, at least not without Mjolnir.

Maybe in your eyes. Not in mine.

Not unless there has been a specific mention of a chance in powerlevel. And there hasn't. He's back to classic level strength and therefore his strength feats apply as always. 2007 relaunch Thor is still Thor. We don't get to forget about feats because of new armor or nicer art. Otherwise a large amount of Gladiators feats would also be discredited.

Yes he was and I posted the scans that said he was. Not marginal, but noticeable, and he proved it. Which is the point

Beating a dead space rock with multiple all out punches I'm sure is impressive to some, but not to me. And even so, striking feats don't translate into strength feats.

It's obvious who is stronger when a weaker Thor matched Gladiators' strength. If you put normal Thor in that seat, he would've overpowered him. /topic

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thors been getting his ass beat so much Rage has gone on a hiatus
I'll delve as far as I need to into Thor bagism to honor his memory.

Hm...

Lets talk "strength feats" for a second...

Drax rips apart a star, with pure strength.

Impressive strength feat, or no? How impressive? Better than, say, Hulk lifting a mountain range? Less so?

Drax is one of the main examples of why 'cosmic cheese' feats don't matter.

The same Drax who went into suns and exploded them apart (aswell as destroyed and survived planetary explosions) was shown to be weaker than She-Hulk, who at that point was nowhere near being a class 100.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Maybe in your eyes. Not in mine.

Not unless there has been a specific mention of a chance in powerlevel. And there hasn't. He's back to classic level strength and therefore his strength feats apply as always. 2007 relaunch Thor is still Thor. We don't get to forget about feats because of new armor or nicer art. Otherwise a large amount of Gladiators feats would also be discredited.

Yes he was and I posted the scans that said he was. Not marginal, but noticeable, and he proved it. Which is the point

Beating a dead space rock with multiple all out punches I'm sure is impressive to some, but not to me. And even so, striking feats don't translate into strength feats.

It's obvious who is stronger when a weaker Thor matched Gladiators' strength. If you put normal Thor in that seat, he would've overpowered him. /topic


I'll delve as far as I need to into Thor bagism to honor his memory.
Well if you're going to post snarky replies that's the type of answer you'll get.

No one said his feats don't apply, but it's pretty clear Thor just isn't quite as physically formidable as he once was.

Maybe in your mind but their pure strength feats generally are comparable with the few that Gladiator has. Marvel has stated repeatedly he's a planet mover/destroyer, and breaking apart a planet with his bare fists is something classic Thor never did and current Thor just doesn't look capable of. It also didn't help that their most recent appearances had Gladiator actually able to challenge P5 Cyclops physically while Thor was effortlessly dismissed.

A normal (and pissed) Thor fought Masterson and it was a stalemate, he is as strong as Thor.

When did Gladiator challenge Cyke physically? Was it when Cyke was trying to talk to him?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When did Gladiator challenge Cyke physically? Was it when Cyke was trying to talk to him?

Two people talking doesn't mean they are not fighting. A single member of the five couldn't take Gladiator out. Thor has been getting waxed repeatedly by them and easily at that.

Ok, I was just wondering if I had missed something. Seems we were talking about the same event.

Originally posted by carver9
Two people talking doesn't mean they are not fighting. A single member of the five couldn't take Gladiator out. Thor has been getting waxed repeatedly by them and easily at that. I'm sure a single member of the five could take Gladz out don't know why you think otherwise

Originally posted by carver9
Two people talking doesn't mean they are not fighting. A single member of the five couldn't take Gladiator out. Thor has been getting waxed repeatedly by them and easily at that.

Untrue.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When did Gladiator challenge Cyke physically? Was it when Cyke was trying to talk to him?
When he tackled him off his feet and punched on him. They were both talking to each other.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Well if you're going to post snarky replies that's the type of answer you'll get.

No one said his feats don't apply, but it's pretty clear Thor just isn't quite as physically formidable as he once was.

Maybe in your mind but their pure strength feats generally are comparable with the few that Gladiator has. Marvel has stated repeatedly he's a planet mover/destroyer, and breaking apart a planet with his bare fists is something classic Thor never did and current Thor just doesn't look capable of. It also didn't help that their most recent appearances had Gladiator actually able to challenge P5 Cyclops physically while Thor was effortlessly dismissed.

A normal (and pissed) Thor fought Masterson and it was a stalemate, he is as strong as Thor.

? I didn't post anything "snarky" until the "nuh-uh" answer dude...

Oh because of that one reason that doesn't exist right? Him jobbing doesn't mean anything. Thats why it's jobbinh.

In anyone's mind that matters actually. But I see no reason for him to go around beating dead space rocks. he has multiple feats that are better than that in the striking department. Current Thor is classic Thor. If Current thor did it, so can this one. Cyclops held back and didn't rev up the phoneix force. It also wouldn't help that evena ffter the beating received, Thor recovered. Gladiator was put into a coma.

Being genarally comparable is why guys in Thor, Gladiator, Hyperion etc, are generally considered equals in the strength department. A wash you could say I guess. But Thor's feats in the end are > Gladiators. Which is why when we closely look at them Thor comes out on top.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7236/rszproof01.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1457/rszproof02.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1118/rszproof03.jpg

^ It's more than obvious who was stronger. Thor even got nailed with two cheap shots at the beginning of the fight. And not to mention, that Thor at no point stopped trying to take Mjolnir from him. He didn't fight to kill at any point.

Originally posted by Damborgson
? I didn't post anything "snarky" until the "nuh-uh" answer dude...

Oh because of that one reason that doesn't exist right? Him jobbing doesn't mean anything. Thats why it's jobbinh.

In anyone's mind that matters actually. But I see no reason for him to go around beating dead space rocks. he has multiple feats that are better than that in the striking department. Current Thor is classic Thor. If Current thor did it, so can this one. Cyclops held back and didn't rev up the phoneix force. It also wouldn't help that evena ffter the beating received, Thor recovered. Gladiator was put into a coma.

Being genarally comparable is why guys in Thor, Gladiator, Hyperion etc, are generally considered equals in the strength department. A wash you could say I guess. But Thor's feats in the end are > Gladiators. Which is why when we closely look at them Thor comes out on top.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7236/rszproof01.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1457/rszproof02.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1118/rszproof03.jpg

^ It's more than obvious who was stronger. Thor even got nailed with two cheap shots at the beginning of the fight. And not to mention, that Thor at no point stopped trying to take Mjolnir from him. He didn't fight to kill at any point.
It's not jobbing it's been apparent for a years now.

The same reason most other top heralds have strength feats, Thor has traveled through space on many occasion and has never wrecked a planet or moved one, or seemed capable without Mjolnir beyond possibly his early silver age days.

What are you talking about Cyclops flared up his Phoenix power here: http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-011.jpg

and is literally covered in it when Glads is punching on him:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-014.jpg

Thor on the other hand was completely dismissed even while wearing some kind of armour that aided him:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12344197/AvsX-Zone033.jpg.html

I agree, you could lump Hulk and Superman into that group aswell, but being in the same tier doesn't mean they're all dead equal. Thor just doesn't have planetary feats/strength, as hard as it is for you to hear, that's the harsh reality of it. Gladiator does.

Masterson was a noob that's why - it's evident even in the scans you posted, and cropping panels/leaving out scans can't hide that fact either... The fight was pure h2h and it was a stalemate, hell they even tried to overpower each other at the end and neither could gain the upperhand. He didn't have the skills and experience but he possessed the same raw power as Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When did Gladiator challenge Cyke physically? Was it when Cyke was trying to talk to him?

He didn't.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's not jobbing it's been apparent for a years now.

The same reason most other top heralds have strength feats, Thor has traveled through space on many occasion and has never wrecked a planet or moved one, or seemed capable without Mjolnir beyond possibly his early silver age days.

What are you talking about Cyclops flared up his Phoenix power here: http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-011.jpg

and is literally covered in it when Glads is punching on him:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-014.jpg

Thor on the other hand was completely dismissed even while wearing some kind of armour that aided him:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12344197/AvsX-Zone033.jpg.html

I agree, you could lump Hulk and Superman into that group aswell, but being in the same tier doesn't mean they're all dead equal. Thor just doesn't have planetary feats/strength, as hard as it is for you to hear, that's the harsh reality of it. Gladiator does.

Masterson was a noob that's why - it's evident even in the scans you posted, and cropping panels/leaving out scans can't hide that fact either... The fight was pure h2h and it was a stalemate, hell they even tried to overpower each other at the end and neither could gain the upperhand. He didn't have the skills and experience but he possessed the same raw power as Thor.

What do you mean it's not jobbing? You think Avengers Assemble is standard Thor? It's the most he's jobbed since his resurrection.

The situation has never been presented. He's never failed to break a dead space rock with his fists alone either.

And there isn't a shred of evidence that would suggest he's incapable of doing it.

That didn't happen right off that bat like it did with Thor though. Cyclops came in charged against Thor. Against Gladiator, he reasoned and held back. When he revved up, Gladiator abandoned that heat vision battle and went for melee.

When did I say that? I spoke directly against that. Because Thor's feats are > Gladiators. Thor has produced enough strength to move the planet out of it's orbit in an arm wrestling contest.

He does though. You're repeated "nuh-uh" answers aren't changing that. Gladiator beat a giant rock and his fans jizz their pants. Because thats what it was. A giant dead space rock. Which we assume is bigger than the moon. Thor's lifted planetary sized objects also. I don't see why that doesn't give him planetary strength.


Wtf are you talking about? I posted the entire fight. How does that qualify as hiding to you? The cropped scans were to show that I wasn't making it up.

Being a noob doesn't mean you forget how to use your arms. Masterson got overpowered. Something Gladiator couldn't do. Who is also a warrior born and the top warrior of the shi'ar if I'm correct. It's something that can't be ignored.

Are you kidding me? Thor caught Mjolnir with one hand at the end of the fight. They started going at it then Mjolnir crashed to the ground. Thor overpowered Masterson earlier in the fight like I showed. But feel free to use another "nuh-uh"

Thor is > Gladiator in strength. This is not debatable. If you took Mjolnir away from Thor though, Gladiator would beat the crap out of him due to comparable strength and a superior weaponless powerset. Doesn't mean he's stronger, and he isn't.

edit: also what was the point of comparting how they did against the P5 in a strength debate? If you want to turn it into a durability debate that will be even more of a thrashing for Gladiator.

Lol...good post Sorrow..don't see what Damborgson is trying to come up with here, especially when we have a clear showing of Masterson and Thor stalemating in an entire comic whereas Masterson got completely schooled by Gladiator.

I can't think of a planetary ft for Thor outside of hyperbole..he just doesn't have them. I also didn't see the part until now where Cyke flared up against Glads, that was a miss which also proves a lot. Cyclops one shotted Thor with a blast whereas Gladiator withstood multiples of hits and even stalemated Cyke in a eye blast match.

Don't get where people say Cyke was holding back. If he was holding back because he was talking, that means Gladiator was holding back as well since he was talking.

^ that post alone proves I'm right. You tried Sorrow, but your cheerleader isn't doing you favors.

Not cheer leading at all...your points aren't really points. In one fight you have someone getting crushed, body on the ground limp. In another fight you have 2 people fighting an entire comic with none of them being dropped. Clear as day to me.

Then you have other fights as well where Thor gets one shotted repeatedly by the 5 but on the other hand you have Gladiator stalemating on, being in a prolong fight against "all" of the 5 and them repeatedly having to pound on him (more than one) to take him out. Clear cut to me.

Jeeze carv is it possible for you to be objective?

Yet you gave up and let Sorrow fight your fight for you. Seems I do have a point.

Pretty sure Masterson wasn't limp when he beat Gladiator nearly to death. He was getting beat sure, but you make it sound like he was on the brink of a coma.

Because Thor at no point tried to Ko him. He even soaked to cheap hammers at the beginning of the fight.

Actually it was Cyclops holding back, no selling his punch, then Gladiator getting put down by Colossus and then worked into a coma when Namor came into the picture. Crazy how you can see things so differently.

@Damborgson...

Show me scans of Colossus soloing Gladiator.

you've seen the fight

Originally posted by Damborgson
you've seen the fight

Show me scans of just Colossonaut with Phoenix powers soloing Gladiator.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me scans of just Colossonaut with Phoenix powers soloing Gladiator.

Show me a scan of your new avatar. sneer

Originally posted by carver9
Show me scans of just Colossonaut with Phoenix powers soloing Gladiator.

Originally posted by Damborgson
you've seen the fight

I know what I seen, I want you to show me Colossus soloing Gladiator. You made the assumption. What I remember is both of them (Namor and Colossus) pounding on him. I also remember most of that part taking place off panel.

I also remember us going @ at it for a couple pages over that same issue. Yet you hold on to something that was proved differently. @ This point what you want me to say exactly?

Show me scans of Colossonix soloing Gladiator. You can't show it and I proved you wrong in our previous debate.

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/kinda.gif Yeah you proved me wrong Carv.

I don't have the scans on me. Or saved to my computer. What the fight shows is Gladiator getting hit by Colossus, then Namor going in. If you have the scans then you post them.

What the scan shows is...

First we see Gladiator and Cyclops fighting, then it skips to Cyclops and Emma being side by side while Namor and Colossus is surrounding Gladiator pounding on him. Now I would LOVE for you to tell me what happened before this then I want some scans. I don't need to post anything since I actually look at stuff as what they are but you pick and choose (just like you did with the Masterson and Glads fight and the Masterson and Thor fight).

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/20372893.jpg
lol. That was some serious trolling.

Originally posted by Damborgson
What do you mean it's not jobbing? You think Avengers Assemble is standard Thor? It's the most he's jobbed since his resurrection.

The situation has never been presented. He's never failed to break a dead space rock with his fists alone either.

And there isn't a shred of evidence that would suggest he's incapable of doing it.

That didn't happen right off that bat like it did with Thor though. Cyclops came in charged against Thor. Against Gladiator, he reasoned and held back. When he revved up, Gladiator abandoned that heat vision battle and went for melee.

When did I say that? I spoke directly against that. Because Thor's feats are > Gladiators. Thor has produced enough strength to move the planet out of it's orbit in an arm wrestling contest.

He does though. You're repeated "nuh-uh" answers aren't changing that. Gladiator beat a giant rock and his fans jizz their pants. Because thats what it was. A giant dead space rock. Which we assume is bigger than the moon. Thor's lifted planetary sized objects also. I don't see why that doesn't give him planetary strength.


Wtf are you talking about? I posted the entire fight. How does that qualify as hiding to you? The cropped scans were to show that I wasn't making it up.

Being a noob doesn't mean you forget how to use your arms. Masterson got overpowered. Something Gladiator couldn't do. Who is also a warrior born and the top warrior of the shi'ar if I'm correct. It's something that can't be ignored.

Are you kidding me? Thor caught Mjolnir with one hand at the end of the fight. They started going at it then Mjolnir crashed to the ground. Thor overpowered Masterson earlier in the fight like I showed. But feel free to use another "nuh-uh"

Thor is > Gladiator in strength. This is not debatable. If you took Mjolnir away from Thor though, Gladiator would beat the crap out of him due to comparable strength and a superior weaponless powerset. Doesn't mean he's stronger, and he isn't.

edit: also what was the point of comparting how they did against the P5 in a strength debate? If you want to turn it into a durability debate that will be even more of a thrashing for Gladiator.

Thor is not stronger than Gladiator. Thor seems stronger because of Mjolnir but without it he is weaker. This is the honest to god truth. Lastly, the planet was the size of Earth that Gladiator wrecked. This is because we go on writer's intentions. It is clear the writer had the planet with an atmosphere. Also it is clear that the writer knows that most readers are familar with Earth as a planet more than any other planet. By default a planet with an atmosphere is Earth sized unless stated or shown. Again, we go on writer's intentions.

In a slugfest with Thor with Mjolnir against Gladiator then Thor would win at least a slight majority. But in a slugfest without Mjolnir then Gladiator wins at least a slight majority.

Thor > Gladiator.

It's been drilled into readers consistently every time they've had a confrontation, time displaced or not. How or why it's even debated to this day is astonishing.