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they start on earth and see who can make it to Pluto and back in the shortest amount of time. Who wins?

Who do you like more?

Depends on my mood. Sometimes Kal, sometimes Norrin.

Who cares?

Originally posted by Cogito
Who cares?

I CARE...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwvp3sbaQX1qii6tmo1_500.gif

.....You sunavabitch.....

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Superman.

Surfer

Surfer

Surfer.

Surfer, though I think they are close in travel speed. Norrin should have the better start iow instant, while Kal has to accelerate.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Surfer, though I think they are close in travel speed. Norrin should have the better start iow instant, while Kal has to accelerate.
Except not.

Go here

Don't see how your link disproves what he said.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't see how your link disproves what he said.
Superman showed greater travel speed than surfer?

Originally posted by Cogito
Who cares? not you! Maybe because Superman loses right?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Who do you like more? They're my two favorite characters. But since, imho, flying standing up trumps red undies-on-the-outside, I'm goin' with Soarin' Norrin'.

Originally posted by Nihilist
not you! Maybe because Superman loses right?



I'll acknowledge that Surfer probably wins. It's close though...close enough that I can say "who cares?".

Silver Surfer creates a force block of vibranium around Superman giving the SS time to cruise to Pluto

I would place my money on Surfer

Originally posted by Newjak
I would place my money on Surfer why?

I think this distance is too short to really separate the two

So superman has better feats than surfer in travel speed overall but he still loses. KMC surfer strikes again.

Originally posted by Cogito


I'll acknowledge that Surfer probably wins. It's close though...close enough that I can say "who cares?". close enough not to care, but yet still made a point of posting despite not caring.

Surely you could have come up with a far better excuse?

Originally posted by Nihilist
close enough not to care, but yet still made a point of posting despite not caring.

Surely you could have come up with a far better excuse?

Surely you don't care enough to actually be trolling me for not caring?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So superman has better feats than surfer in travel speed overall but he still loses. KMC surfer strikes again.

Sorry, any attempts to calculate travel speed are bull. You can't accurately tell distance or time, and last I checked those were the only two variables that matter.

Didn't Surfer was like a lightyear awaf from Thanos w/ig when Warlock gave him the go, and he didn't need a second to reach Thanos, though he missed the Gauntlet?

Personally I think that both are quite equal in travel speed, by feats and portrayals. Both are used to travel through the Universe and they never seem to have trouble to reach a destination when sh1t gets real.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So superman has better feats than surfer in travel speed overall but he still loses. KMC surfer strikes again.

Problem?

Originally posted by Cogito
Surely you don't care enough to actually be trolling me for not caring?



Sorry, any attempts to calculate travel speed are bull. You can't accurately tell distance or time, and last I checked those were the only two variables that matter.
I'm not h1a8. Superman has better feats in both quantity and quality.Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Didn't Surfer was like a lightyear awaf from Thanos w/ig when Warlock gave him the go, and he didn't need a second to reach Thanos, though he missed the Gauntlet?

Personally I think that both are quite equal in travel speed, by feats and portrayals. Both are used to travel through the Universe and they never seem to have trouble to reach a destination when sh1t gets real.
Superman traveled 25 lightyears in moments.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Problem?
Nothing. Just an observation.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman traveled 25 lightyears in moments.


How long were those moments?

Say Surfer traveled 1 LY in 1 second, I'm not sure, mind you. That would be 3.1536.000 x Speed of Light. Let's say Superman traveled 25 light years in one minute? Moments are vague that's why I said they should be close in high end travel speed.

I'd say Surfer.

Though my reason is simply to spite abhilegend.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'd say Surfer.

Though my reason is simply to spite abhilegend.

You are an evil man and you disgust me uhuh

Surfer unless this is PC Supes

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Surfer unless this is PC Supes

PC Supes would be so fast, he would reach Pluto 1000 Years before the Race started.

Surfer.

The guy crossed Galaxies in seconds.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer.

The guy crossed Galaxies in seconds.

Why are you lowballing him?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
How long were those moments?

Say Surfer traveled 1 LY in 1 second, I'm not sure, mind you. That would be 3.1536.000 x Speed of Light. Let's say Superman traveled 25 light years in one minute? Moments are vague that's why I said they should be close in high end travel speed.
Moments means exactly that, moments. He's also crossed 3/4th of universe before SBP could throw a punch.Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'd say Surfer.

Though my reason is simply to spite abhilegend.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Surfer unless this is PC Supes
Not so fast sherlock.Originally posted by carver9
Surfer.

The guy crossed Galaxies in seconds.
Where?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Moments means exactly that, moments. He's also crossed 3/4th of universe before SBP could throw a punch.

Not so fast sherlock.
Where?

How many seconds is 1 Moment?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
How many seconds is 1 Moment?

15,326,590

Originally posted by Silent Master
15,326,590

sneer

This is like one of those uber reality warper vs uber reality warper threads. At some point the levels of speed become so absurd that debating it seriously is about as productive as pissing into a high wind.

The Surfer wins this.

Can surfer warp there and back?

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'd say Surfer.

Though my reason is simply to spite abhilegend. Mod this man.

If you guys are using pc superman I add in classic surfer. The one who could time travel....

He technically could get there before the thing started.

Originally posted by rotiart
If you guys are using pc superman I add in classic surfer. The one who could time travel....

He technically could get there before the thing started.

So can Supes.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Surfer, though I think they are close in travel speed. Norrin should have the better start iow instant, while Kal has to accelerate. Superman is already on his way, by the time Surfer has registered that the race has started.

Couple that, with the fact that Superman has outsped Mandrakk's reality-blitzing missles (which is a ridiculous feat, but that's Final Crisis and Grant Morrison)

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And this wouldn't be to Surfer's liking.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I think they are both aware when the race start. I think it will be like a normal start, with a countdown.

They start on Earth, so I think Superman has to take care of his Speed while in the atmosphere, except of this I was thinking of his Light Speed feat with the Shadow moon and that he had to work "hard" to reach that speed. It might take less then a second but I think that Surfer with his cosmic awareness and his cosmic powers (Board) is capable to get into his top speed instantly, while Supes would need some "nano?"-seconds.

Just my thoughs on this.

As for the Final Crisis. Imho Superman was operating at least on Trans level there if not Skyfather. And it's hard to judge how fast those reality missles were. They both have to percieve the 'start' of the race, be it a countdown or whatever else. Superman's perception and processing works much faster, so he'd start accelerating and heading towards Pluto exponentially faster, before Surfer would process that the race has started and start accelerating himself.

The race taking place on Earth and Superman restraining himself is a good point, if a bit inconsistent. Sometimes he reaches crazy speeds on Earth, sometimes a writer remembers that hey, that would wreck shit up. Let's not pretend that there haven't been instances (many of them) where Surfer wasn't able to reach his top speed 'instantly', or even close to that. There've been times where he's taken a while to reach lightspeed, or even less than that, and to my knowledge, there's no such thing as him "instantly" hitting his top speed, ever.

Yeah, he was ridiculously competent - but, like I said, that's Grant Morrison's Superman at his height. The missles were already launched, and they were about to blitz-sterilize reality, so Superman (and the others) had to act. Surfer's acceleration feats compare to that - and Superman accelerated even faster.

isn't it dcnu superman?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
But wouldn't his Cosmic Awareness allow him to perceive the start at the very exact moment? I also imagine his Board and Power Cosmic to work like an explosion or like a Jet whose engines are at max power and at the start he releases the breaks. Superman imho can't do that, he has to accelerate, even though it won't take him long it's still a step behind such a "fast start".

Yeah, I always though he tries to take his time till he goes beyond the speed of sound so he won't do serious damage around him, though in the restaurant with Flash they talked and acted within a second they didn't move a lot. And in the very same comic he had to work also hard to grab Flash.
I agree on the Surfer but due to his Cosmic Powers, a plot device more or less, he can keep the collateral damage at bay.

He lifted infinity there, so yes he operated beyond his average self. In this Race I think we take their "average" and Supes would accelerate, to reduce damage and because of the instances where he had to work to reach a certain stpeed. The high end speed of both should be similar imho, at least that would be my guess how they would be portrayed in comics, so Surfer should, with a better start, reach Pluto a nanosecond before Supes. ^^

Whether cosmic awareness tells him "you have to accelerate in 3 seconds", or a countdown shows him 3,2,1 it's still the same thing - he is the one who has to initiate the action, and it's up to his perception and reaction time (which is considerably inferior to Superman) to do so. There is no automatic pilot, or stipulation that he 'programs' the board to start flying as soon as the bell rings, eventhough he himself hasn't percieved the fact that it's time to go.

The board doesn't instantly reach top speed - it has to accelerate, just like Superman.
Him being 'careful' once he reaches the speed of sound is inconsistent. There are a shitload more scenes where he isn't careful going far, far faster than sound, than the ones where he has to be extra-careful, though. I'm not sure why you think him working hard to grab Flash contradicts anything.

On 'average' Superman doesn't need to be careful when going faster than sound in Earth's atmosphere; the examples of him not needing to outweight the ones where he does to a ridiculous degree. Surfer doesn't instantly accelerate to his top speed even on his highest of ends, nevermind average, either.

Meh.

Definitely Surfer now.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Definitely Surfer now.



Like you were ever going to vote for Superman before.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Definitely Surfer now. Your hate feeds me, magnumlactus.

Writing from a phone is a Pain in the Ass. This Forum needs an app.

superman easily

What about when Surfer searched the entire Earth in a few seconds? That would have required sped up perception as well.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What about when Surfer searched the entire Earth in a few seconds? That would have required sped up perception as well.
Or some rounds around the globe with an wide area cosmic awareness scan? That would make more sense considering his powers imo.

But if he wasn't perceiving things that fast he wouldn't be able to process the information.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What about when Surfer searched the entire Earth in a few seconds? That would have required sped up perception as well.
Kyle rayner did the same once, he just ordered his ring to scan the whole earth.

If he was just scanning it remotely he wouldn't have needed to move

Originally posted by Endless Mike
If he was just scanning it remotely he wouldn't have needed to move
Why not? He was not seen moving, he just left and came back. Though superman has searched entire earth twice "very quickly".

Pre Reboot Superman could hear every voice on Earth at the same time, and sort through them. Heck, he once scanned the entire Earth with his hearing looking for a specific heartbeat in a matter of seconds.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Pre Reboot Superman could hear every voice on Earth at the same time, and sort through them. Heck, he once scanned the entire Earth with his hearing looking for a specific heartbeat in a matter of seconds.
He couldn't hear lois' heartbeat in that particular instance hence why the search.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He couldn't hear lois' heartbeat in that particular instance hence why the search.

Wasn't talking about that.

Was talking about Bruce's heart in Return of Bruce Wayne.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wasn't talking about that.

Was talking about Bruce's heart in Return of Bruce Wayne.
Yeah, that was awesome.

surfer could hear bruce wayne's testicles making sperm

surfer

Originally posted by psycho gundam
surfer could hear bruce wayne's testicles making sperm

Can probably feel them on his chin too.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
surfer could hear bruce wayne's testicles making sperm
He can only hear it and dream about it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can probably feel them on his chin too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He can only hear it and dream about it. superman get's the real thing, though

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman get's the real thing, though
I was talking about surfer's lack of ability to make sperm. Thanks for ruining the joke.

Surfer can time travel, et go fast enough to rip time and space fabrics.

I think I'll go with him.