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Chaos King
Bellasco
Blackheart
Glory
Overmind
Satanish
Zeus
Zom
Tsukiyomi

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GEB
Swamp Thing
Neron
Nekron
Etrigan The Demon
Spectre
King of Tears
Azmodus
Cain

Team 2 effortlessly

If he really is who he's supposed to be, GEB destroys them ALL. Even his own teammates.

Originally posted by zopzop
If he really is who he's supposed to be, GEB destroys them ALL. Even his own teammates.

Who exactly do you mean?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Who exactly do you mean?
Anti-God (note the capital "G" in God) like in the Prince of Darkness flick by John Carpenter.

Wasn't the GEB the void before the Presence even existed? Kind of similar to Chaos King, right?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Wasn't the GEB the void before the Presence even existed? Kind of similar to Chaos King, right?
If that's all he was, then this is merely a stalemate. Keep in mind CK is nothing more than an aspect of Oblivion (who is only 1/4 of the cosmic compass with the others being Death, Eternity, and Infinity). Hell, Oblivion IN HIS REALM could only stalemate Infinity. They were fighting through Avatars. So it was Infinity with her Avatar Quasar who had Cosmic Awareness vs Oblivion + Anomaly + Maelstrom + Quantum Bands + Cosmic Awareness and they fought to a standstill! In the end, Maelstrom lost concentration and the Quantum Bands destroyed him, with Oblivion being powerless to stop it.

Originally posted by zopzop
If that's all he was, then this is merely a stalemate. Keep in mind CK is nothing more than an aspect of Oblivion (who is only 1/4 of the cosmic compass with the others being Death, Eternity, and Infinity). Hell, Oblivion IN HIS REALM could only stalemate Infinity. They were fighting through Avatars. So it was Infinity with her Avatar Quasar who had Cosmic Awareness vs Oblivion + Anomaly + Maelstrom + Quantum Bands + Cosmic Awareness and they fought to a standstill! In the end, Maelstrom lost concentration and the Quantum Bands destroyed him, with Oblivion being powerless to stop it. that happened in a very old comic, I doubt current writers view power levels the same way

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that happened in a very old comic, I doubt current writers view power levels the same way
What has Oblivion done on panel recently that makes you think this has changed? Keep in mind in this year's Thor Annual, Oblivion was relying on Scrier and the Other (and then later Galactus) to wreck the universe. If he's so great why doesn't he do it under his own power?

Remember that Grandmaster, when he usurped Death's power, created 5 Null Life bombs that were each capable of destroying 1/5 of the universe and recreating a new Big Bang with him as the Author. Or Death annihilating the entire Cancerverse and all it's inhabitants (even the ones that spilled over into 616 reality).

^because the LT would shit stomp him if he messes with the balance

Same reason a lot of the abstracts seem weak

Originally posted by zopzop
What has Oblivion done on panel recently that makes you think this has changed? Keep in mind in this year's Thor Annual, Oblivion was relying on Scrier and the Other (and then later Galactus) to wreck the universe. If he's so great why doesn't he do it under his own power?

Remember that Grandmaster, when he usurped Death's power, created 5 Null Life bombs that were each capable of destroying 1/5 of the universe and recreating a new Big Bang with him as the Author. Or Death annihilating the entire Cancerverse and all it's inhabitants (even the ones that spilled over into 616 reality).

Cosmic balance and agreements made between the abstracts like during Cosmos in Collision? Pacts between Oblivion/Infnity/Death/Eternity.

Originally posted by zopzop
If he's so great why doesn't he do it under his own power?
For the same reason Death herself doesn't wipe out all life in the universe(and rather relies on indirect means such as using an obsessed stalker like Thanos) . It would upset the natural balance of which these Abstract entities themselves are part of .

High-end Abstract beings seem to prefer using lesser creatures as lackeys to do their dirty work for them , it seems .

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Cosmic balance and agreements made between the abstracts like during Cosmos in Collision? Pacts between Oblivion/Infnity/Death/Eternity.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
^because the LT would shit stomp him if he messes with the balance

Same reason a lot of the abstracts seem weak
Then why did he stand back and let Scrier/Other/Galactus almost destroy the universe in their scuffle?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
For the same reason Death herself doesn't wipe out all life in the universe(and rather relies on indirect means such as using an obsessed stalker like Thanos) . It would upset the natural balance of which these Abstract entities themselves are part of .

High-end Abstract beings seem to prefer using lesser creatures as lackeys to do their dirty work for them , it seems . Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Cosmic balance and agreements made between the abstracts like during Cosmos in Collision? Pacts between Oblivion/Infnity/Death/Eternity.
That would only make sense if they were more or less equal in power. Notice during Chaos War that a mere aspect of Oblivion, caused Death, the actual abstract that's supposedly a peer to CK's master, to flee. It was also stated that CK was Eternity's opposite. Yet how could that be? CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion.

So if Oblivion is so much more powerful than Death or Eternity that even a mere aspect of him can cause Death to flee and be considered Eternity's opposite, then why does he need to honor any pact (like the one made during Cosmos In Collision)? He's either their (Death, Eternity, Infinity) peer (according to Cosmos in Collision) or their absolute superior (according to Chaos War and the Thor Annual). Which is it?

If he's their superior why did he need Scrier/Other/Galactus to do something his aspect (CK) couldn't.

Originally posted by zopzop
Then why did he stand back and let Scrier/Other/Galactus almost destroy the universe in their scuffle?

That would only make sense if they were more or less equal in power. Notice during Chaos War that a mere aspect of Oblivion, caused Death, the actual abstract that's supposedly a peer to CK's master, to flee. It was also stated that CK was Eternity's opposite. Yet how could that be? CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion.

So if Oblivion is so much more powerful than Death or Eternity that even a mere aspect of him can cause Death to flee and be considered Eternity's opposite, then why does he need to honor any pact (like the one made during Cosmos In Collision)? He's either their (Death, Eternity, Infinity) peer (according to Cosmos in Collision) or their absolute superior (according to Chaos War and the Thor Annual). Which is it?

If he's their superior why did he need Scrier/Other/Galactus to do something his aspect (CK) couldn't.

Chaos King Surpassed Oblivions Normal power level, The more of the universe he consumed the more powerful he became, same with the countless numbers of beings he absorbed.

By the time he consumed 98% of the multiverse he far surpassed Eternity/Death/Infinity in power, Death fled in fear of being consumed.

Chaos King @ His Peak was>>>>Oblivion

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Chaos King Surpassed Oblivions Normal power level, The more of the universe he consumed the more powerful he became, same with the countless numbers of beings he absorbed.

By the time he consumed 98% of the multiverse he far surpassed Eternity/Death/Infinity in power, Death fled in fear of being consumed.

Chaos King @ His Peak was>>>>Oblivion

Would that be enough to defeat GEB?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Chaos King Surpassed Oblivions Normal power level, The more of the universe he consumed the more powerful he became, same with the countless numbers of beings he absorbed.

By the time he consumed 98% of the multiverse he far surpassed Eternity/Death/Infinity in power, Death fled in fear of being consumed.

Chaos King @ His Peak was>>>>Oblivion
How could an aspect of Oblivion be greater than Oblivion himself?

Originally posted by zopzop
Then why did he stand back and let Scrier/Other/Galactus almost destroy the universe in their scuffle?

That would only make sense if they were more or less equal in power. Notice during Chaos War that a mere aspect of Oblivion, caused Death, the actual abstract that's supposedly a peer to CK's master, to flee. It was also stated that CK was Eternity's opposite. Yet how could that be? CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion.

So if Oblivion is so much more powerful than Death or Eternity that even a mere aspect of him can cause Death to flee and be considered Eternity's opposite, then why does he need to honor any pact (like the one made during Cosmos In Collision)? He's either their (Death, Eternity, Infinity) peer (according to Cosmos in Collision) or their absolute superior (according to Chaos War and the Thor Annual). Which is it?

If he's their superior why did he need Scrier/Other/Galactus to do something his aspect (CK) couldn't. Because Living Tribunal would smack Oblivion straight in the penis.

Death isn't a fighter, nor does she let people come to her to attack her. Eternity could have just been talking about CK's role.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Would that be enough to defeat GEB? no

Originally posted by zopzop
How could an aspect of Oblivion be greater than Oblivion himself? By growing and absorbing power, like i said in my post

Originally posted by zopzop
Then why did he stand back and let Scrier/Other/Galactus almost destroy the universe in their scuffle?

That would only make sense if they were more or less equal in power. Notice during Chaos War that a mere aspect of Oblivion, caused Death, the actual abstract that's supposedly a peer to CK's master, to flee. It was also stated that CK was Eternity's opposite. Yet how could that be? CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion.

So if Oblivion is so much more powerful than Death or Eternity that even a mere aspect of him can cause Death to flee and be considered Eternity's opposite, then why does he need to honor any pact (like the one made during Cosmos In Collision)? He's either their (Death, Eternity, Infinity) peer (according to Cosmos in Collision) or their absolute superior (according to Chaos War and the Thor Annual). Which is it?

If he's their superior why did he need Scrier/Other/Galactus to do something his aspect (CK) couldn't.
Both WWK and myself have already answered this query . Zop you are too obsessed with the power-levels of cosmic characters to pay attention to their characterizations . Oblivion, in character , is a concept , part of a natural balance which generally should never be upset . Even if any of the respective conceptual entities want to tilt the balance in their favor , they normally would choose to act via proxies . In a nutshell :
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
High-end Abstract beings seem to prefer using lesser creatures as lackeys to do their dirty work for them , it seems .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Oblivion, in character , is a concept , part of a natural balance which generally should never be upset . Even if any of the respective conceptual entities want to tilt the balance in their favor , they normally would choose to act via proxies . In a nutshell :
Yes but in the example of Death and her proxy Thanos, he used an outside uber amp to accomplish his goals (Cosmic Cube, IG, HotU, etc..). Death never overpowered her/its peers.

Even in the What If Korvac issue, Death's pawn, Korvac, used an outside amp, the UN, to accomplish his goals.

CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion and he caused Death to flee and Eternity claimed he was his antithesis! HTF does that make any sense?

On panel, prior to this event, Oblivion + his avatar Maelstrom who has massive kinetic powers + the Quantum Bands + Anomaly's power in Oblivion's own realm couldn't overpower Infinity and her Avatar Quasar!

Something is very wrong somewhere.

team 1

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes but in the example of Death and her proxy Thanos, he used an outside uber amp to accomplish his goals (Cosmic Cube, IG, HotU, etc..). Death never overpowered her/its peers.

Even in the What If Korvac issue, Death's pawn, Korvac, used an outside amp, the UN, to accomplish his goals.

CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion and he caused Death to flee and Eternity claimed he was his antithesis! HTF does that make any sense?

On panel, prior to this event, Oblivion + his avatar Maelstrom who has massive kinetic powers + the Quantum Bands + Anomaly's power in Oblivion's own realm couldn't overpower Infinity and her Avatar Quasar!

Something is very wrong somewhere.

So would you place Oblivion on the same level as GEB?

Originally posted by Golgo13
So would you place Oblivion on the same level as GEB?
F no!

If GEB really is Anti-God that mofo would annihilate the entire MU short of Thanos with the HotU (because that was "God's" power). Then it would be a stalemate.

Chaos King>>> Oblivion.

Regardless of being an aspect of him

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Chaos King>>> Oblivion.

Regardless of being an aspect of him
We'll agree to disagree on this Big C.

Originally posted by zopzop


That would only make sense if they were more or less equal in power. Notice during Chaos War that a mere aspect of Oblivion, caused Death, the actual abstract that's supposedly a peer to CK's master, to flee. It was also stated that CK was Eternity's opposite. Yet how could that be? CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion.



This confused me as well. I never understood the whole aspect of oblivion thing when he caused death to actually flee. well, that's comic for ya lol.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Eternity could have just been talking about CK's role.

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GEB

As for Oblivion and CK

I side with Oblivion

right, role.

Because CK sucked. Thank God for retcons... now Thandis Assembled needs to be retconned and we'll be good.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
right, role.

Because CK sucked. Thank God for retcons... now Thandis Assembled needs to be retconned and we'll be good. the retcon didnt change a thing, everything in chaos war still happened

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
right, role.

Because CK sucked. Thank God for retcons... now Thandis Assembled needs to be retconned and we'll be good.