Franklin Richards vs Phoenix(Rachel Summers)

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golem370
Franklin has just seen his family killed by Phoenix and is pissed can he beat her?

Digi
Whoever wins, Thor's getting one-shot.

Mindset
Originally posted by Digi
Whoever wins, Thor's getting one-shot. thumb up

TheGodKiller
Franklin wins .

Doon
Originally posted by Digi
Whoever wins, Thor's getting one-shot.

Believe it or not, Tom DeFalco actually once wrote a story where Thor easily took down Rachel as the Phoenix. laughing I remember reading a ton of complaints about the incident shortly after the book was released -- so much so that Bob Harris apologized and offered a No-Prize to the first fanboy/girl who came up with a band-aid fix.

Took me a while to find it online, but here it is.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1350174-pheonix_s_blasts_super.jpg

Mshinu
Franklin feeds Rachel a cracker after he turns her into a parrot.

Doon
Originally posted by Mshinu
Franklin feeds Rachel a cracker after he turns her into a parrot.

Will she still have the power of the Phoenix when she's a parrot? stick out tongue

Mshinu
Originally posted by Doon
Will she still have the power of the Phoenix when she's a parrot? stick out tongue

Nope, she will have parrot powers ofc.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Mshinu
Franklin feeds Rachel a cracker after he turns her into a parrot.
Even as a parrot she'll attempt to dry-hump Franklin . And if Hickman's SHIELD glance at AoU is true , then its indisputable that Franklin's a pimp for the redhead psycho dames .

Sundipped
Originally posted by Doon
Believe it or not, Tom DeFalco actually once wrote a story where Thor easily took down Rachel as the Phoenix. laughing I remember reading a ton of complaints about the incident shortly after the book was released -- so much so that Bob Harris apologized and offered a No-Prize to the first fanboy/girl who came up with a band-aid fix.

Took me a while to find it online, but here it is.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1350174-pheonix_s_blasts_super.jpg

Yeah Thor got paid back 10 - fold for that.
The Phoenix and Rachel both got their revenge separately.

zopzop
Originally posted by Doon
Believe it or not, Tom DeFalco actually once wrote a story where Thor easily took down Rachel as the Phoenix. laughing I remember reading a ton of complaints about the incident shortly after the book was released -- so much so that Bob Harris apologized and offered a No-Prize to the first fanboy/girl who came up with a band-aid fix.

Took me a while to find it online, but here it is.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1350174-pheonix_s_blasts_super.jpg
Believe it or not, I actually remembered this and mentioned it on the forums, the apology that is, and posted a scan of it from Thor's letters page. Here it is, it was from the Letters Page of Thor 430 :
http://imageshack.us/a/img41/2974/apologya.th.jpg
Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah Thor got paid back 10 - fold for that.
The Phoenix and Rachel both got their revenge separately.
Yup.

Back on topic, even though I KNOW Franklin wins, do you guys remember that X-Men arc Days for Future Present : http://marvel.wikia.com/Days_of_Future_Present
Basically in it, the Adult Franklin from Rachel's future travels back into 616 reality and starts messin' around. His body was destroyed by Sentinels in the future so to get around he used a Dream Body created by his younger 616 self and to fuel his powers he used his rapport with Rachel to draw on her Phoenix powers. 616 Kid Franklin was in a coma because of this and Rachel would get weakness fits anytime Fututre Franklin did anything major with his (really HER) power because he was draining it from her.

I found it amazing that he didn't (couldn't?) draw power from his younger self to keep his Dream Body "alive" and needed Rachel's power to do it, keep in mind he DEFINITELY had access to Kid Franklin's abilities since he stole Kid Franklin's "Dream Self" and forced him into a coma.

It was a cool story arc.

zopzop
Update :
Regarding why he couldn't/didn't drain power from his 616 self, it was at a time when 616 Franklin had blocked almost all his powers and the "Dream Self" ability was one of the few he still had access to.
http://imageshack.us/a/img829/4746/blockedtd.th.jpg
But he was draining power from Rachel through the rapport they shared :
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/2751/draining.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img819/875/draining2.th.jpg

TheGodKiller
DoFP Franklin was weaksauce . I mean you could assemble a million of him , and even then he couldn't match Hickman's adult Franklin . Guy was getting killed by a bunch of Sentinels ffs .

Doon
Originally posted by zopzop
Believe it or not, I actually remembered this and mentioned it on the forums, the apology that is, and posted a scan of it from Thor's letters page. Here it is, it was from the Letters Page of Thor 430 :
http://imageshack.us/a/img41/2974/apologya.th.jpg

Nice find! Pretty impressive, in fact. I thought a No Prize was offered as well. Guess not.

ctsketch
I can't read that :/

zopzop
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
DoFP Franklin was weaksauce . I mean you could assemble a million of him , and even then he couldn't match Hickman's adult Franklin . Guy was getting killed by a bunch of Sentinels ffs .
He was completely unaffected by Sentinels because he wasn't a "real" person in the sense that he had no physical body.

Or do you mean when he was killed in the future? Franklin from Rachel's future claims he never had powers (well until right before he was killed he developed them) :
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/9292/nopowers.th.jpg

Doon
Originally posted by zopzop
He was completely unaffected by Sentinels because he wasn't a "real" person in the sense that he had no physical body.

Or do you mean when he was killed in the future? Franklin from Rachel's future claims he never had powers (well until right before he was killed he developed them) :
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/9292/nopowers.th.jpg

In the original Days of Future Past storyline, mutants (regardless of their power level) were forced to wear inhibitor collars. That was why DoFP Franklin exhibited no powers and was killed by a Sentinel.

The subsequent Days of Future Present story changed things up a bit though suggesting that in the brief moments before DoFP Franklin was killed by the sentinel, his dreamself (astral incarnation) escaped and somehow followed Rachel to Earth-616. So, yeah, the version of Franklin we see in Days of Future Present is merely a dreamself (an astral form) who siphoned some energies from both Rachel and Young Franklin-616.

Doon
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
DoFP Franklin was weaksauce . I mean you could assemble a million of him , and even then he couldn't match Hickman's adult Franklin .

Agreed. Hickman's adult Franklin is clearly superior. So too is the Franklin we saw during Onslaught/Heroes Reborn.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by zopzop
He was completely unaffected by Sentinels because he wasn't a "real" person in the sense that he had no physical body.

Or do you mean when he was killed in the future? Franklin from Rachel's future claims he never had powers (well until right before he was killed he developed them) :
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/9292/nopowers.th.jpg
Nope, I am referring to the instance in which he got killed by a Sentinel while rescuing Rachel :
http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/06/franklin_future_past_x-men-610x313.jpg

He didn't have powers because of a power-suppressing collar(as Doon explained above) . Either ways, he's one of the weakest incarnations of the character to date .

Utrigita
Good luck putting a power suppressing collar on Hickmans Franklin...

Doon
Yeah, and on a side note, the writing team responsible for Days of Future Present were obviously clueless. Think about it. DoFP Franklin (from Earth-811) joins with young Franklin (E-616) to shut down the latter mentioned Franklin's power; and then suggests THIS was the reason he never had any powers in his time?? First of all, harming or depowering young Franklin E-616 clearly wouldn't have an effect on DoFP Franklin since he's from Earth-811!! Secondly, it was already established in Days of Future Past that Earth-811 Franklin had no powers due to the silly inhibitor collar. And the retarded twist at the end that Franklin was never even there in the first place -- that it was just a phuckin dreamself -- was beyond lame.

pym-ftw
Wanda just killed the Phoenix, Franklin hits Rachel so hard he retcons avx

guy222
franklin

Sundipped
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Wanda just killed the Phoenix, Franklin hits Rachel so hard he retcons avx

No she didn't.

guy222
true

pym-ftw
Originally posted by Sundipped
No she didn't.
Wolverine and the xmen#18

The cuckoo's say the spark of the phoenix has been extinguished
ninja

zopzop
Originally posted by Sundipped
No she didn't.
That's what I though too when I saw this :

Then I saw this :

I hate this stupid mfer. This is Marvel's top dog?

One more then I'll stop :

But I thought the "no more mutants" hex was omniversal? Does he even READ the comics?

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by zopzop
That's what I though too when I saw this :

Then I saw this :

I hate this stupid mfer. This is Marvel's top dog?

One more then I'll stop :

But I thought the "no more mutants" hex was omniversal? Does he even READ the comics?
A number of people on many forums(including our ol' buddy GalacticStorm himself) have insinuated that HOM Wanda's hex was only global level , because of a few instances here and there with Roma referring to it as such . Guess Brevoort is from their camp .

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Sundipped
No she didn't.
Denial....

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