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Current versions. Regular equipment. Who wins?

Spidey easily

I agree, Elektra can't hit Spider-man..


right H1?

Yup.

He was being sarcastic. H1a8 believes that a very limited pre-cog and some enhanced speed makes you unhittable, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

The only way Elektra hits spidey is if his spidey sense acts up and not works (like it sometimes do in comics).
He's much faster and stronger and will 5 piece combo her for a majority, especially after she misses an attack.

Nah, that's not the only way. She could read his movements and react accordingly (kinda like Cap did) or just fool him with TP.

Their combat speed is comparable, if Spidey's above her then it's not by much.

Pfff, it took a Skrull Colossus to take Elektra down.

Secret invasion Super Skrulls were super jobbers tbh.

Originally posted by SamZED
Secret invasion Super Skrulls were super jobbers tbh.

They were, but like the original Super Skrull noted, the problem was they lacked the experience/skill.

Spidey Luke cage's her #epicboxkickingftw

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What i've always wondered is how much can spidey endure as far as puncture wounds(sais, swords,etc)

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nah, that's not the only way. She could read his movements and react accordingly (kinda like Cap did) or just fool him with TP.

Their combat speed is comparable, if Spidey's above her then it's not by much.

Pfff, it took a Skrull Colossus to take Elektra down.

Spidey is definitely faster than her.
Plus Spidey can two piece her with his strength the moment she misses an attack.

Cap can't even touch Spidey in a forum fight. What happens in a comic doesn't hold water if it goes against a character fighting at their best.

She's not fast enough to use TP on him or to fool him.

Doesn't bullseye have her number?

Originally posted by namorsubby
What i've always wondered is how much can spidey endure as far as puncture wounds(sais, swords,etc)

Depends on the writer of course, but he's known to lose consciousness after the loss of blood caused by a single non-lethal stab...

Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey is definitely faster than her.
Plus Spidey can two piece her with his strength the moment she misses an attack.

Cap can't even touch Spidey in a forum fight. What happens in a comic doesn't hold water if it goes against a character fighting at their best.

She's not fast enough to use TP on him or to fool him.

Doesn't bullseye have her number?

Not really. You don't even read Elektra, so how can you know it anyway?

Skrull Colossus didn't two piece her and neither can Spidey.

Funny, because Cap is doing rather well against him in a forum fight judging from people's responses. Slower people tagged Spidey.

Spiderman is faster than freakin' telepathy iyo? Dude, you should really take your meds.

Bullseye beat classic Elektra, nowadays he's getting owned even if Elektra is drugged and poisoned.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Depends on the writer of course, but he's known to lose consciousness after the loss of blood caused by a single non-lethal stab...



Not really. You don't even read Elektra, so how can you know it anyway?

Skrull Colossus didn't two piece her and neither can Spidey.

Funny, because Cap is doing rather well against him in a forum fight judging from people's responses. Slower people tagged Spidey.

Spiderman is faster than freakin' telepathy iyo? Dude, you should really take your meds.

Bullseye beat classic Elektra, nowadays he's getting owned even if Elektra is drugged and poisoned.

Do you use average showings or top showings?
TP requires thought to initiate. Spidey can move faster than thought.

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you use average showings or top showings?
TP requires thought to initiate. Spidey can move faster than thought.

Elektra's durability/damage soak is pretty consistent, she took hits from Class 10 Silver Samurai, too... the man who knocked out Spidey more than once...

The speed of thought cannot be quantified and no, he really isn't.

Cap can't touch Spidy in a forum fight? Jesus Christ. facepalm

Every time I read a h1a8 post I wish it was still legal to force a person to take their medication.

Spidey's clearly faster than cap. A fight where cap doesn't land a blow just isn't entertaining I guess.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Spidey's clearly faster than cap. A fight where cap doesn't land a blow just isn't entertaining I guess.

Is Spider-man faster than Captain America? Certainly. Is he fast enough two afford him a sizable advantage in combat? No. The reality is that, every single top tier street has speed feats that rival Spider-man's best. All of them. Everything Spider-man has done speed wise, Cap has either out right replicated, or he's done something interchangeable from a logistic stand point. Spider-man might have speed on Cap, but Cap for his part has a vast skill advantage, granting him far superior timing, and ability to find his range, along with his knack for reading Spider-man's fighting style and predicting his movements, which allows him to expertly use those first two qualities. Cap will through combo's knowing Spider-man will dodge the fist two attacks, merely as a means to set up the fallowing. As we've seen in their fights, that goes a long way to neutralizing Spider-man's slight speed edge. It's like they are playing chess, Cap is playing ten moves a head, where as Spider-man only plans one.

Spider-man would beat Cap in a fight - his webbing alone does that - but not because he is so fast that Cap can't touch him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you use average showings or top showings?
TP requires thought to initiate. Spidey can move faster than thought.

You're supposed to use the average.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Is Spider-man faster than Captain America? Certainly. Is he fast enough two afford him a sizable advantage in combat? No. The reality is that, every single top tier street has speed feats that rival Spider-man's best. All of them. Everything Spider-man has done speed wise, Cap has either out right replicated, or he's done something interchangeable from a logistic stand point. Spider-man might have speed on Cap, but Cap for his part has a vast skill advantage, granting him far superior timing, and ability to find his range, along with his knack for reading Spider-man's fighting style and predicting his movements, which allows him to expertly use those first two qualities. Cap will through combo's knowing Spider-man will dodge the fist two attacks, merely as a means to set up the fallowing. As we've seen in their fights, that goes a long way to neutralizing Spider-man's slight speed edge. It's like they are playing chess, Cap is playing ten moves a head, where as Spider-man only plans one.

Spider-man would beat Cap in a fight - his webbing alone does that - but not because he is so fast that Cap can't touch him. no, just fast enough that he shouldn't. How does cap have superior timing vs someone who has forewarning of an attack along with superior reaction time?

spidey's speed feats>any top teir street

Originally posted by namorsubby
no, just fast enough that he shouldn't. How does cap have superior timing vs someone who has forewarning of an attack along with superior reaction time?

spidey's speed feats>any top teir street

Just fast enough he shouldn't, what?

By picking the perfect time to attack. Countering punching off Spider-man's attacks when his guard is down, throwing feints to set up attacks, stringing combos that he knows Spider-man will dodge specifically to set him up for a future attack. Spider-man's reaction time, even coupled with the spider-sense, isn't enough. Spider-man is barely faster than Cap, and his spider-sense isn't even close to an insurmountable advantage... especially when Cap has shown that he can read Spider-man like an open book. Cap can make Parker dance to the song he chooses.

Yes, Spider-man is the fastest street... just not enough to matter.

How can you read, predict, and counter accordingly to someone who moves faster than you AND has forewarning of YOUR movements?

Thats not a huge advantage? Moving and being warned of incoming assualt?

Cap hits spidey for the same reason grundy hits superman.

Elektra serves up some spider-kebob.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Cap hits spidey for the same reason grundy hits superman.

Grundy has super speed that shocked Superman He blitzed him before.

Originally posted by namorsubby
How can you read, predict, and counter accordingly to someone who moves faster than you AND has forewarning of YOUR movements?

Thats not a huge advantage? Moving and being warned of incoming assualt?

Cap hits spidey for the same reason grundy hits superman.

Seriously? I've just explained it to you? Cap tags Spider-man because he is a far superior and more efficient fighter. He force's Spider-man to fight his fight, and sets up opportunities where Spider-man will be unable to avoid him. He knows how Spider-man fights, he can can predict how Spider-man will react. He'll throw a two punches that Peter will avoid because he knows that based on how Parker moves he'll land the third. Parker's speed and the split second warning he gets from Spider-Sense isn't enough to dance around Cap. Maybe if he stayed on the outside, and only concentrated on avoidance... but once he gets into melee and starts throwing punches of his own, it's not going to be enough.

Cap has speed feats on par with Spider-man. He hits Spider-man because he is fast enough to do so. Anyone who thinks other wise, does so because their knowledge of comic characters doesn't extend past the two sentence blurb on the back of a trading card, or poorly written wiki.

Both Spiderman and Cap beat Elektra, so it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Mindset
Both Spiderman and Cap beat Elektra, so it doesn't matter.

Indeed

Lets say elektra stabs spider-man......could he continue fighting?

Yea, it kinda depends on where she stabs him...

Hes clearly many times human durability when it comes to explosive, blunt, concussive force. As well as other things like electricity, but would a fatal stabbing for a human kill him?

A non pis spiderman webs her hands to her hips, and her feet together before Elektra knows what happened

Not gonna happen, she dealt with his webbing before.

Bugboy`s webbing is no match for sharp steel.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu316/Kalani89/Battles%20of%20the%20Week/TaskmastervsSpider-man2.jpg?t=1276475183

^Wouldn't be a problem if his webbing was potrayed as a sticky, adhesive substance in the instance as it often is.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Hes clearly many times human durability when it comes to explosive, blunt, concussive force. As well as other things like electricity, but would a fatal stabbing for a human kill him? Well, he was once shot several times in the chest, stomach with machine guns and it didn't kill him. In fact he kept on fighting. For a whole day I think. Without getting any medical attention.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously? I've just explained it to you? Cap tags Spider-man because he is a far superior and more efficient fighter. He force's Spider-man to fight his fight, and sets up opportunities where Spider-man will be unable to avoid him. He knows how Spider-man fights, he can can predict how Spider-man will react. He'll throw a two punches that Peter will avoid because he knows that based on how Parker moves he'll land the third. Parker's speed and the split second warning he gets from Spider-Sense isn't enough to dance around Cap. Maybe if he stayed on the outside, and only concentrated on avoidance... but once he gets into melee and starts throwing punches of his own, it's not going to be enough.

Cap has speed feats on par with Spider-man. He hits Spider-man because he is fast enough to do so. Anyone who thinks other wise, does so because their knowledge of comic characters doesn't extend past the two sentence blurb on the back of a trading card, or poorly written wiki. I personally disagree with the Untouchable Spider theory, but Cap 10 steps ahead of Spidey? Come on, man. No PIS/CIS Spider-man will always be several steps ahead because of his spider sense (as long as we are not talking about some cheap ass alarm clock version of ss that some writers use). He does have better reaction time and is faster enough for it to make a difference. A significant one if combined with his other advantages. And sure, Cap is more skilled, experienced, can predict Spider-man's style... but that was always true for other streets like say Taskmaster (who just like Steve has superhuman speed) or even Bullseye. And that ability often helps them fight and even dominate Spider-man. And just as often stops being a factor the second Spider-man quits @&$!ng around. Don't see why it should be different for Cap. CIS off (no drooling over Cap) the gap in skill wouldnt be a problem for Pete. It was shown many times before which is not surprising concidering his physical stats and especially now that the skill gap is significantly smaller than before.

Well CIS is on by default spidey is still a bitcy insecure teen, not the mythical cant-be-hit and when-gets-serious-beats-everyone-easily version.

Super Soldier Serum and Vita Rays > radioactive spiders and totemistic bullsh*t

Bugboy is also known to pass out after a little scratch like this:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/wolverine-vs-captain-america-vs-spider-man-triple-threat-11715thumbnail200x310.jpg

Originally posted by Mshinu
Well CIS is on by default spidey is still a bitcy insecure teen, not the mythical cant-be-hit and when-gets-serious-beats-everyone-easily version. Nothing mythical about it. CIS off Spider-man sh1tstomps your favorite character, the sooner you accept this fact the better. And no amount of patriotic jobber aura would help. CIS on simply means it'll take Spidey whole 10 seconds longer to sh!tstomp'em.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Bugboy is also known to pass out after a little scratch like this:
He's also known for owning 1/2 of the Phoenix Force and walking away from a mountain-shattering explosion after so shut up.

Originally posted by SamZED
He's also known for owning 1/2 of the Phoenix Force and walking away from a mountain-shattering explosion after so shut up.

All I am saying is that parker`s resistance to penetration has been kinda weak since all the way back to that.. childhood incident

Originally posted by SamZED
Nothing mythical about it. CIS off Spider-man sh1tstomps your favorite character, the sooner you accept this fact the better. And no amount of patriotic jobber aura would help. CIS on simply means it'll take Spidey whole 10 seconds longer to sh!tstomp'em.

How`s your hemmeroid?

Originally posted by Mshinu
All I am saying is that parker`s resistance to penetration has been kinda weak since all the way back to that.. childhood incident
Nothing compared to what Steve used to do to poor Bucky. Just take a look at his rape face on the third pannel.

http://valiantknife.org/alex/boysincostumes.png
http://valiantknife.org/alex/ca/awshucks.jpg

And don't get me started on the old canadian perv. Like father like son.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8290/maspiderman59015.th.png

Originally posted by Mshinu

How`s your hemmeroid? I evolved into a being with no anus a long time ago.

Where did you get that funny idea that Cap is my "favourite character" anyway? Many enough streets can beat up bugboy, doesn`t neccesary make me like them.

I didn't, just brought him up because he was mentioned in the thread and I dont have any embarrassing pics of Elektra. But if he is your favorite character denying it is the right decision.

Originally posted by SamZED
I evolved into a being with no anus a long time ago.

So you're shitting through your mouth?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you're shitting through your mouth?

That... did not bother me until you brought it up...

Considering her ascetic and chemical enhancements, exactly how fast and agile is Elektra now?

chemical enhancements?

Originally posted by Mshinu
Bugboy is also known to pass out after a little scratch like this:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/wolverine-vs-captain-america-vs-spider-man-triple-threat-11715thumbnail200x310.jpg Yea, he also started pounding on Wolverine before he passed out.

All homo.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously? I've just explained it to you? Cap tags Spider-man because he is a far superior and more efficient fighter. He force's Spider-man to fight his fight, and sets up opportunities where Spider-man will be unable to avoid him. He knows how Spider-man fights, he can can predict how Spider-man will react. He'll throw a two punches that Peter will avoid because he knows that based on how Parker moves he'll land the third. Parker's speed and the split second warning he gets from Spider-Sense isn't enough to dance around Cap. Maybe if he stayed on the outside, and only concentrated on avoidance... but once he gets into melee and starts throwing punches of his own, it's not going to be enough.

Cap has speed feats on par with Spider-man. He hits Spider-man because he is fast enough to do so. Anyone who thinks other wise, does so because their knowledge of comic characters doesn't extend past the two sentence blurb on the back of a trading card, or poorly written wiki.

Cap doesn't have speed feats on par with Spidey. That's ridiculous. Spidey has moved faster than a bullet multiple times. Cap can't dodge a bullet when it is an inch away from him. He barely moved his head out of the way when a gun was fired 20ft from him. Spidey is at least 3 times faster than Cap and at least 3 times stronger.

Cap hits Spidey because the writer wanted it to happen, not because Cap can really do it. Cap can't swing faster than a bullet or a laser. Spidey has dodged a bullet an inch away from him. Wtf is Caps fist going to do an inch away from Spidey, hit him?

Spidey will 5 piece Cap and two piece Elektra with ease (without webbing).

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're supposed to use the average.

On average, Spiderman beats Elektra 10/10.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're supposed to use the average.

This stuff is mostly subjective anyway. There are many types of averages. Fans of a character (like Jake for Thor for instance) use averages that put more weight on higher feats and less weight on lower showings. Jake and some others just does it in a very slick and smooth way.

Quanchi, Carver, Abhi, and nearly most members (comic fans of a certain character) definitely use a skewed weighted average for their favorite character(s).

With that said, Spidey has so many many feats such that using a weighted average still says he can easily beat Elektra or Cap. Spidey's dodge to hit ratio is probably a zillion to one. That's one hell of an average.

Also characters fight at their best as shown before. This either means we use weighted averages that put more weight on higher showings or we only use non PIS high showings only.

Originally posted by h1a8

Quanchi, Carver, Abhi, and nearly most members (comic fans of a certain character) definitely use a skewed weighted average for their favorite character(s).
I don't.

Originally posted by h1a8
This stuff is mostly subjective anyway. There are many types of averages. Fans of a character (like Jake for Thor for instance) use averages that put more weight on higher feats and less weight on lower showings. Jake and some others just does it in a very slick and smooth way.

Quanchi, Carver, Abhi, and nearly most members (comic fans of a certain character) definitely use a skewed weighted average for their favorite character(s).

With that said, Spidey has so many many feats such that using a weighted average still says he can easily beat Elektra or Cap. Spidey's dodge to hit ratio is probably a zillion to one. That's one hell of an average.

Also characters fight at their best as shown before. This either means we use weighted averages that put more weight on higher showings or we only use non PIS high showings only.

You use the most average average.

No, it doesn't mean that. Full capacity doesnt mean Superman flies up and sundips or punches people's heads off. It means he doesn't fall foul of selective stupidness.

Like I said, you use the average average.

What about the median average?

Originally posted by Mindset
What about the median average?

sneer

Don't you be using no fancy words!

Originally posted by -Pr-
You use the most average average.

No, it doesn't mean that. Full capacity doesnt mean Superman flies up and sundips or punches people's heads off. It means he doesn't fall foul of selective stupidness.

Like I said, you use the average average.


What is average average? Elucidate!

The rule clearly says a character fights at their best ability "AS SHOWN BEFORE". Average average or whatever that means would contradict that.

Superman was never SHOWN to sundip and start punching people's heads off.
Thus he is not going to do that here.
We definitely shouldn't use stuff that is out of character, and isn't within reason of a character's history (nothing of the sort was ever shown).

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap doesn't have speed feats on par with Spidey. That's ridiculous. Spidey has moved faster than a bullet multiple times. Cap can't dodge a bullet when it is an inch away from him. He barely moved his head out of the way when a gun was fired 20ft from him. Spidey is at least 3 times faster than Cap and at least 3 times stronger.

Cap hits Spidey because the writer wanted it to happen, not because Cap can really do it. Cap can't swing faster than a bullet or a laser. Spidey has dodged a bullet an inch away from him. Wtf is Caps fist going to do an inch away from Spidey, hit him?

Spidey will 5 piece Cap and two piece Elektra with ease (without webbing).

You're retarded.

Originally posted by h1a8
What is average average? Elucidate!

The rule clearly says a character fights at their best ability "AS SHOWN BEFORE". Average average or whatever that means would contradict that.

Superman was never SHOWN to sundip and start punching people's heads off.
Thus he is not going to do that here.
We definitely shouldn't use stuff that is out of character, and isn't within reason of a character's history (nothing of the sort was ever shown).

middle of the road. not high showings. showings that don't make the character look retarded.

i was using them as separate examples. superman, even though he can, won't fly up in to the sky and sundip in an average comic.

Originally posted by -Pr-
middle of the road. not high showings. showings that don't make the character look retarded.

i was using them as separate examples. superman, even though he can, won't fly up in to the sky and sundip in an average comic.

IMO, Spidey dodging bullets and lasers don't make him look retarded at all. It makes him look normal if you ask me. Spidey getting hit by stuff he shouldn't makes him look retarded though.

Superman leaving to sundip because he is outmatched doesn't make him look retarded. But in a forum sundipping is leaving the battlefield and thus isn't allowed.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO, Spidey dodging bullets and lasers don't make him look retarded at all. It makes him look normal if you ask me. Spidey getting hit by stuff he shouldn't makes him look retarded though.

Superman leaving to sundip because he is outmatched doesn't make him look retarded. But in a forum sundipping is leaving the battlefield and thus isn't allowed.

Dodging bullets and lasers is fine. That's Spider-Man doing what Spider-Man does.

I'm talking about random sun-dipping. Superman only sundips when he has to, so isn't considered an average showing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Dodging bullets and lasers is fine. That's Spider-Man doing what Spider-Man does.

I'm talking about random sun-dipping. Superman only sundips when he has to, so isn't considered an average showing.

I agree 100%

H1 owns srank, AGAIN.like