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They already met in WW v2 60. Lobo slapped her away and then got incapacitated by her lasso. This could go either way if lobo avoids the lasso. Strength wise lobo has a small edge or equal, durability is even, speed goes to diana, HF goes to lobo.

Lobo.

Unless Wondy can match Lobo's trillion ton crushing force, or hip tossing stellar mass. Than Lobo holds a significant advantage over Diana.

Originally posted by "Id"
Unless Wondy can match Lobo's trillion ton crushing force, or hip tossing stellar mass. Than Lobo holds a significant advantage over Diana.
First was a crossover and second goes to space cheese. By the same token unless lobo has done something like slowing down spectre who weighted infinite, diana holds a significant advantage. By comparisons lobo isn't much stronger than diana if stronger at all.

Wonder Woman. She tough enough to take hits from Lobo to use her wits, speed and lasso to win over him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
First was a crossover
Canonical, as the events where recalled by Lobo on 52.

Originally posted by abhilegend
and second goes to space cheese. By the same token unless lobo has done something like slowing down spectre who weighted infinite, diana holds a significant advantage. By comparisons lobo isn't much stronger than diana if stronger at all.
>dumbs down the feat by labling as space cheese.
>uses space cheese to claim a superior feat.
>durbating. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/thumbsupdur.gif

Lobo.

Originally posted by "Id"
>dumbs down the feat by labling as space cheese.
>uses space cheese to claim a superior feat.
>durbating. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/thumbsupdur.gif He's saying space cheese doesn't prove anything by providing a space cheese feat that is superior and also baffling in its idiocy (slowing down infinity).

So it's not hypocrisy as much as it is him telling you that your argumentation is dumb.

To be fair, tossing around Pulsar Stargrave really isn't space cheese in the sense that moving Spectre's 'infinite' weight is. The former is more quantifiable than the latter.

Originally posted by Galan007
To be fair, tossing around Pulsar Stargrave really isn't space cheese in the sense that moving Spectre's 'infinite' weight is. The former is more quantifiable than the latter.

Than you factor in, that scene took place in the middle of a fight where Pulsar happened to weigh stellar mass. It does not fall under the premise of Space Cheese.

The labeling of space cheese, are reserved for scenes that take place over a static object or event. Like planet moving, sun ripping, or in this case Spectre lifting.

Originally posted by Galan007
To be fair, tossing around Pulsar Stargrave really isn't space cheese in the sense that moving Spectre's 'infinite' weight is. The former is more quantifiable than the latter. Why would it being more quantifiable not make it space cheese? Is moving Earth or containing supernovas not a space cheese feat because it's quantifiable?
Originally posted by "Id"
Than you factor in, that scene took place in the middle of a fight where Pulsar happened to weigh stellar mass. It does not fall under the premise of Space Cheese.

The labeling of space cheese, are reserved for scenes that take place over a static object or event. Like planet moving, sun ripping, or in this case Spectre lifting. Wait...what?

Lots of space cheese takes place in middle of fights. It doesn't change the fact that they are.

The circumstances in which they happen are irrelevant. He could have done it sitting on his toilet, dragging stellar mass is a space cheese.

What matters is that most of the 'feats' involving planets, suns, blackholes and more being moved/destroyed etc. and the like are there just as 'fireworks' - they don't really mean much in as far as actual fighting goes, eventough by all rights they should - simply because that's how comics work.

Originally posted by Galan007
Moving stellar mass isn't on the same level of stupidity as moving infinite mass. Call the former space cheese if you'd like, but comparing it to the latter isn't the best analogy. What you call 'higher level of stupidity' I call 'also stupid, but a bigger feat'. They're both stupid. Lobo's feat was called stupid in the same page it was done. That's the point of cosmic feats - they're stupid when elaborated on what they mean, and are there only for the cool factor. The fact that you want one to be considered valid and the other one to be considered stupid is because you're biased towards Lobo - let's not pretend there's anything else to it.

Originally posted by "Id"
Thats fantastic. I can dismiss the upper highs of Wonder Woman, or Supermans feats simply because the bulk of them are space cheese. Go right ahead.

When you see me countering 'Thor has beaten Worthy Thing and Hulk' with 'Superman has lifted infinite weight', you're free to do so.

But, you know, don't imply others are hypocrites.

Phil is such an abhi fanboy.

Lobo wins.

I blame Superman.

...And abhil's anus.

Originally posted by Galan007
Please don't put words in my mouth.

I never said one of those feats was more vaild than the other. Not once. I said that while both of the feats were stupid, throwing the stellar mass of Pulsar was less stupid/space-cheesy then slowing down Spectre's 'infinite mass'. Suggesting otherwise shows me your bias toward Dianna... And despite what you suggested, I've yet to use that feat on behalf of Lobo. Why would I? It lends nothing to this particular battle.

Anyway, to be even clearer:
Lifting stellar mass is dumb. Lifting infinity is dumber. Stellar mass can actually be quantified. Infinity cannot.

No need to make this more than it is. You tried to save the validity of the Lobo feat by saying that it is, and I quote :

"To be fair, tossing around Pulsar Stargrave really isn't space cheese in the sense that moving Spectre's 'infinite' weight is. The former is more quantifiable than the latter. "

In short, just because it's more quantifiable than the infinite weight thing, it means that it's less space cheese and more valid . Why? Because you say so.

What is 'space cheese' isn't based on whether or not the feat is quantifiable or not. Surfer destroying a planet, Kyle destroying a supernova, Superman holding a black hole in his palm or, yes, Lobo dragging a sun are all moderately quantifiable, and they don't stop being space cheese for that, the same way Superman cauterizing space/time with his HV or lifting infinite weight also fits that category by definition - what differs being, of course, the magnitude (ie. lifting infinite weight > containing blackhole > destroying planet etc.) It's an arbitrary criteria that doesn't hold under any kind of logical scrutinity.

You're essentially saying that because Lobo's feat is less impressive then it means that is holds more validity, which is a hilariously stupid method to debate.

Originally posted by Galan007
One feat is dumb. The other feat is dumbER. Why? Because shifting stellar mass is quantifiable. Shifting infinity is not. There is nothing more to 'debate'.

Look, I get that you're trying to play the role of abhil's white knight, but there are better ways to do it than arguing about which feat is dumber, in a thread where the dumb feats in question don't even matter. I agree with all of what you wrote there

The problem I had with you was that you seemingly tried to save Lobo's feat as 'valid' by saying it's less dumb than the Spectre one - but as long as you agree that they're both dumb space cheese that are irrelevant to actual fights, there's nothing we disagree on.

I'm not abhil's white knight - but I call out on stupid stuff when I see them (ie. Id's backahanded "you're hypocritical"

Hey Philo, Lobo stronger than Diana. Wondy has nothing that compares to crushing trillion tons matter.

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool.

...But just so you know, I said the same damn thing a few posts ago. It could be - and has been, obviously - interpreted as you trying to pass the Lobo one as valid, while shoving the other one under the bus.

Miscommunication, I guess. I'm still curious on how you know abhil's anus is so charming.

Originally posted by Galan007
abhil's white knight Originally posted by psycho gundam

Lobo. Although I think Diana is strong enough to crush a trillion tons if she wanted to.

Originally posted by "Id"
Hey Philo, Lobo stronger than Diana. Wondy has nothing that compares to crushing trillion tons matter. I'm not sure why this is addressed to me.

Originally posted by Galan007
His anus has ensnared you, so I figure he must be a pretty good lay. He's Indian, though.... So perhaps it's the exotic booty that has you all riled up.

I'm just one of the few that isn't so interested in bullying him around in every thread he's in.

If on KMC that makes me a man-booty lover, so be it.

Originally posted by Galan007
You are huge That I am.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you want my dick.

That is disgusting.

Reported.

Originally posted by Galan007
That is disgusting.

Reported. I didn't say you want it right after I pulled it out of abhi.

Grow a stomach.

True.

I take back the report. Raz has been notified of the situation.

Originally posted by "Id"
Canonical, as the events where recalled by Lobo on 52.

It has nothing to do with canonicity. Crossovers aren't allowed on KMC otherwise I can post people remembering DC vs Marvel too.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases.



False. Both are feats that defy logic, just because you like lobo doesn't mean he gets free pass on behalf of "gaiz, lobo don't usez loziczz!!11"
Holy reading comprehension Batman!!


Fail much?

Originally posted by "Id"
Hey Philo, Lobo stronger than Diana. Wondy has nothing that compares to crushing trillion tons matter.
Well moon is 7.35x10E7 trillion tons. Superman, kyle and diana moved it in between a sentence from its position from earth to earth's atmosphere

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05812.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05813.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05814.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05815.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05816.jpg

Its momentum was so much that they had to nullify lunar gravity so that earth doesn't break apart and even every mage on earth couldn't do it for long. What's even more amazing that they literally in one second pulled moon travelling at that speed away from earth.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05818.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05819.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05820.jpg

They also moved the moon back to its place in the time it took atom to find out that j'onn was alive

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05821.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05822.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05823.jpg

Even if she only managed a small part of that ordeal which is rather unlikely, its still greater than your lobo example.

@ thread

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well moon is 7.35x10E7 trillion tons. Superman, kyle and diana moved it in between a sentence from its position from earth to earth's atmosphere

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05812.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05813.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05814.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05815.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05816.jpg

Its momentum was so much that they had to nullify lunar gravity so that earth doesn't break apart and even every mage on earth couldn't do it for long. What's even more amazing that they literally in one second pulled moon travelling at that speed away from earth.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05818.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05819.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05820.jpg

They also moved the moon back to its place in the time it took atom to find out that j'onn was alive

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05821.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05822.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05823.jpg

Even if she only managed a small part of that ordeal which is rather unlikely, its still greater than your lobo example.

Dur Space Cheese. Dur harder.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They already met in WW v2 60. Lobo slapped her away and then got incapacitated by her lasso. This could go either way if lobo avoids the lasso. Strength wise lobo has a small edge or equal, durability is even, speed goes to diana, HF goes to lobo.

I am in agreement with this statement.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It has nothing to do with canonicity. Crossovers aren't allowed on KMC otherwise I can post people remembering DC vs Marvel too.

Crossovers are allowed, so long as they remind canonical to the character in question.

A verdict of what crossovers are, or are not allowed are left to the discretion of the Moderators.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They already met in WW v2 60. Lobo slapped her away and then got incapacitated by her lasso. This could go either way if lobo avoids the lasso. Strength wise lobo has a small edge or equal, durability is even, speed goes to diana, HF goes to lobo.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by "Id"
Crossovers are allowed, so long as they remind canonical to the character in question.

A verdict of what crossovers are, or are not allowed are left to the discretion of the Moderators.

If a crossover's canonicity can be proven by using mainstream evidence, then said crossover is usable on the versus forum. Bada said as much a while back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well moon is 7.35x10E7 trillion tons. Superman, kyle and diana moved it in between a sentence from its position from earth to earth's atmosphere

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05812.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05813.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05814.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05815.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05816.jpg

Its momentum was so much that they had to nullify lunar gravity so that earth doesn't break apart and even every mage on earth couldn't do it for long. What's even more amazing that they literally in one second pulled moon travelling at that speed away from earth.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05818.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05819.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_JLA05820.jpg

They also moved the moon back to its place in the time it took atom to find out that j'onn was alive

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05821.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05822.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05823.jpg

Even if she only managed a small part of that ordeal which is rather unlikely, its still greater than your lobo example.

whats the issue?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
whats the issue?

JLA v3 #58

Originally posted by "Id"
Dur Space Cheese. Dur harder.
I provided a better feat than your "gaiz, lobo izz so much strongerzz than wonder woman", so its now space cheese?

Originally posted by "Id"
Crossovers are allowed, so long as they remind canonical to the character in question.

A verdict of what crossovers are, or are not allowed are left to the discretion of the Moderators.
No, they aren't.

Yes, they are.

And the matter is settled.

Originally posted by Badabing
An excerpt from the rules:

Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'.

If Galan showed it's in continuity then I don't see the issue. He is correct. ie. So long as you can prove that the x-over in question is canon to the mainstream universe, it is usable on the versus forum.

Btw, Bada's post above was in reference to me proving the canonicity of World's Funnest (an Elseworlds tale.)

Originally posted by Galan007
ie. So long as you can prove that the x-over in question is canon to the mainstream universe, it is usable on the versus forum.

Btw, Bada's post above was in reference to me proving the canonicity of World's Funnest (an Elseworlds tale.)
I can do that for almost any crossover, DC vs Marvel, SS/GL, Superman/Aliens, amongst them with characters like hank henshaw actually getting their story from one story arc explained in that crossover. That doesn't mean we can use it here on KMC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they aren't.
If in doubt, you can get a hold Moderator. Relay the message I posted.

Otherwise I am going to completely ignore your bitchin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I provided a better feat than your "gaiz, lobo izz so much strongerzz than wonder woman", so its now space cheese?

Its Space Cheese.

Do you have another feat?

If you want to ignore a mod's ruling on the matter, then w/e.

However, if the Lobo/Authority x-over was mentioned in a canon/in continuity comic, then that means Lobo's feats in that comic are canon to him. And given the fact that the above comic was a Wildstorm/DC x-over, and that Wildstorm was owned by DC at the time, it's canonicity is perfectly logical.

Originally posted by "Id"
If in doubt, you can get a hold Moderator. Relay the message I posted.

Otherwise I am going to completely ignore your bitchin.



Its Space Cheese.

Do you have another feat?
That's not the argument. Crossovers aren't allowed on KMC as a rule and the ruling bada made wasn't for a crossover. You can bait as much as you want, that's not going to help you.

You provided a feat, I countered it with a better feat. Now you're dismissing it. Quit your double standards. Either chose pure space cheese (in this case lobo's city feat) or try battle feats solely.

"With rare exceptions" doesn't equate to "not allowed at all." Just saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
If you want to ignore a mod's ruling on the matter, then w/e.

However, if the Lobo/Authority x-over was mentioned in a canon/in continuity comic, then that means Lobo's feats in that comic are canon to him. And given the fact that the above comic was a Wildstorm/DC x-over, and that Wildstorm was owned by DC at the time, it's canonicity is perfectly logical.
Bada made a ruling about elseworlds, what ifs or alternate reality stories. A crossover is none of that. I can give a lot of proofs that DC vs Marvel happened in main DC and marvel earth. Doesn't means squat, its unusable like lobo/authority which at that point was a different continuity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the argument. Crossovers aren't allowed on KMC as a rule and the ruling bada made wasn't for a crossover. You can bait as much as you want, that's not going to help you.

/Ignores

Originally posted by abhilegend


You provided a feat, I countered it with a better feat. Now you're dismissing it. Quit your double standards. Either chose pure space cheese (in this case lobo's city feat) or try battle feats solely.
>Your the one that brought up Lobo slamming Pulsar as Space Cheese.
>Stop your whining. And let go of the Space Cheese feats, you hypocrite.

PS: Lobo slamming Pulsar was an in battle feat but wut eva.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bada made a ruling about elseworlds, what ifs or alternate reality stories. A crossover is none of that. I can give a lot of proofs that DC vs Marvel happened in main DC and marvel earth. Doesn't means squat, its unusable like lobo/authority which at that point was a different continuity. Elseworlds tales ARE alternate universe stories srsly. However, because I was able to prove the canonicity of WF with mainstream evidence, Bada ruled it canon... And rightfully so.

Authority/Lobo = a Wildstorm/DC x-over. DC owned Wildstorm when that comic was published-- and if it's happenings were referenced outside of the x-over, then there is absolutely no reason it wouldn't be canon. None at all.

Originally posted by "Id"
/Ignores


>Your the one that brought up Lobo slamming Pulsar as Space Cheese.
>Stop your whining. And let go of the Space Cheese feats, you hypocrite.

PS: Lobo slamming Pulsar was an in battle feat but wut eva.
Your loss.

Stop whining when I counter that with diana helping slow down infinity.

By that standard diana slowing down spectre is also a battle feat.Originally posted by Galan007
Elseworlds tales ARE alternate universe stories srsly. However, because I was able to prove the canonicity of WF with mainstream evidence, Bada ruled it canon... And rightfully so.

Authority/Lobo = a Wildstorm/DC x-over. DC owned Wildstorm when that comic was published-- and if it's happenings were referenced outside of the x-over, then there is absolutely no reason it wouldn't be canon. None at all.
A crossover is not an alternate universe story. Case in point


http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/dcvsmarvelcontinuity1.jpg http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/dcvsmarvelcontinuity2.jpg

So lobo losing to wolverine is in-continuity? Lobo mentioned it in his solo series too, access appeared in GL, Captain marvel mentioned losing to a thunder god etc.

What are those scans supposed mean? I'm not talking about Marvel/DC stuff here, I'm talking about a crossover whose characters ALL fall under the DC imprint. srsly

This is simple: If the Lobo/Authority comic was specifically referenced in another comic as having took place (I dunno if it was, but Id said so) the showings Lobo accumulated in it are canon to him-- even if the issue wasn't mentioned again, Wildstorm is a DC imprint. Why do you insist on making things so much harder than they need to be in EVERY thread you post in? It's beyond irritating.

Again: DC OWNS Wildstorm. That's why it is canon when Superman/Eradicator appeared in a few issues of Majestic's solo series... And why it is canon when Majestic appeared in the DCU... And why it is canon when Captain Atom appeared in the Wildstorm universe. Give me a single reason why the Lobo/Authority comic would be any different, especially when it was written around the same time as the aforementioned?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your loss.

Stop whining when I counter that with diana helping slow down infinity.

By that standard diana slowing down spectre is also a battle feat.
A crossover is not an alternate universe story. Case in point


>You bitched about space cheese.
>I dropped Lobos space cheese.
>And then you proceeded to reply with space cheese.
>Class Act Durbating

So in light of Diana lacking feats to prove otherwise. Lobo gets awarded an edge. Something along the lines of, if Lobo strength to 10, Diana would be an 8.

Originally posted by abhilegend

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/dcvsmarvelcontinuity1.jpg http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/dcvsmarvelcontinuity2.jpg

So lobo losing to wolverine is in-continuity? Lobo mentioned it in his solo series too, access appeared in GL, Captain marvel mentioned losing to a thunder god etc.
Moving on.

Considering his invulnerability, damage soak, and healing factor. Lobo definitely has more staying power, making him one tough SOB.

I say thats a significant advantage. A 10 to 7 advantage. No argument there, right Abhi?

That and LOBO would have the power of JerkGodLevel Ineundo insults on HIS side.

Originally posted by Galan007
What are those scans supposed mean? I'm not talking about Marvel/DC stuff here, I'm talking about a crossover whose characters ALL fall under the DC imprint. srsly

This is simple: If the Lobo/Authority comic was specifically referenced in another comic as having took place (I dunno if it was, but Id said so) the showings Lobo accumulated in it are canon to him-- even if the issue wasn't mentioned again, Wildstorm is a DC imprint. Why do you insist on making things so much harder than they need to be in EVERY thread you post in? It's beyond irritating.

Again: DC OWNS Wildstorm. That's why it is canon when Superman/Eradicator appeared in a few issues of Majestic's solo series... And why it is canon when Majestic appeared in the DCU... And why it is canon when Captain Atom appeared in the Wildstorm universe. Give me a single reason why the Lobo/Authority comic would be any different, especially when it was written around the same time as the aforementioned?
Those scans tells us that DC vs Marvel happened on main DC and Marvel universe. Vertigo falls under DC imprint too and characters cross over often and unless specified these are non canon. Captain atom:armaggeddon was a DC story which included WS characters and was specifically said to be canon and Majestic's solo series had DC imprint not WS one IIRC. Nothing like that for Lobo/Authority. None of those were crossovers that have both DC and WS imprint.
Originally posted by "Id"
>You bitched about space cheese.
>I dropped Lobos space cheese.
>And then you proceeded to reply with space cheese.
>Class Act Durbating

So in light of Diana lacking feats to prove otherwise. Lobo gets awarded an edge. Something along the lines of, if Lobo strength to 10, Diana would be an 8.


Moving on.

Considering his invulnerability, damage soak, and healing factor. Lobo definitely has more staying power, making him one tough SOB.

I say thats a significant advantage. A 10 to 7 advantage. No argument there, right Abhi?
You're the one who started that by saying "lifiting infinity" doesn't count. Stop whining.

When you didn't stop parrotting the same feat everytime, I responded in kind.

I can flood this thread with so much scans but I don't care enough for that. If you've read carefully, I did it in my first post but it would be 10 to 9.5.

Lobo is a tough SOB but Etrigan has stalemated him in pure slugfest around a dozen times and he is either slightly weaker than diana or even and neither has her skill or speed. I still prefer split between these two.

Shut your nonsense Abhi we all know WW was about to get dicked down, despite her best efforts by the same Etrigan.

Superman fans are getting banned...mmm

Diana has a better average than Lobo strength wise (He certainly has lower lows), but Lobo on his better days would get the strength edge I think. At least he would have back before the mid-90's when she got her push.

Anyways, Wonder Woman wins.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Diana has a better average than Lobo strength wise (He certainly has lower lows), but Lobo on his better days would get the strength edge I think. At least he would have back before the mid-90's when she got her push.

Anyways, Wonder Woman wins whoever is stronger.

I can't believe it.

What's not to believe? Simply having a slight strength edge isn't enough to beat Diana. This isn't a slug fest where they stand their ground and trade punches to the face.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's not to believe? Simply having a slight strength edge isn't enough to beat Diana. This isn't a slug fest where they stand their ground and trade punches to the face.


You voting for Diana. It's shocking...very shocking. Was it painful typing those words?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's not to believe? Simply having a slight strength edge isn't enough to beat Diana. This isn't a slug fest where they stand their ground and trade punches to the face. You clearly don't read comics. If you did, you'd know it's a canon fact that Lobo don't do logical. Dianna is logical. Therefore, Lobo wins.

Originally posted by carver9
You voting for Diana. It's shocking...very shocking. Was it painful typing those words?

Lawlz.

Originally posted by Galan007
You clearly don't read comics. If you did, you'd know it's a canon fact that Lobo don't do logical. Dianna is logical. Therefore, Lobo wins.



A spoon as your sig? How fitting....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A spoon as your sig? How fitting.... You hitting on me?

Reported for making sexual innuendos.

If I was hitting on you, you'd know it. And feel it.

Reported for being a ***.

Now THAT is a report I can deal with...









....Wait, what?

Lobo's inconsistency in battles, is a HUGE exaggeration. He is no more prone to jobin than your favorite bricks here on this forum.

Take a look at Lobo's battles with mainstream opponents, its a solid track record. Among the the best, considering his active years, and appearance. More consistent than WW, Superman, Thor, or Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
You voting for Diana. It's shocking...very shocking. Was it painful typing those words? Rage hates Lobo much more than he hates WW.

Also, this thread turned to ass. A common trend stemming from... cough... cough...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Rage hates Lobo much more than he hates WW.

Also, this thread turned to ass. A common trend stemming from... cough... cough... Rage? Yeah, he's stupid.

Originally posted by "Id"
Shut your nonsense Abhi we all know WW was about to get dicked down, despite her best efforts by the same Etrigan.
Yeah and the same etrigan was said to be almost as strong as diana.

Originally posted by "Id"
Lobo's inconsistency in battles, is a HUGE exaggeration. He is no more prone to jobin than your favorite bricks here on this forum.

Take a look at Lobo's battles with mainstream opponents, its a solid track record. Among the the best, considering his active years, and appearance. More consistent than WW, Superman, Thor, or Hulk.
What track record? A retconned fight against a brainwashed superman nonwithstanding, superman has beaten lobo three times, one time nearly killed him with a punch. If we're using direct comparison, diana stalemated a fully powered captain marvel while cap got upper hand on lobo while getting weaker. Etrigan stalemates him every time. Supergirl stalemated him in a test of strength for one hour and let him win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah and the same etrigan was said to be almost as strong as diana.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What track record? A retconned fight against a brainwashed superman nonwithstanding, superman has beaten lobo three times, one time nearly killed him with a punch. If we're using direct comparison, diana stalemated a fully powered captain marvel while cap got upper hand on lobo while getting weaker. Etrigan stalemates him every time. Supergirl stalemated him in a test of strength for one hour and let him win.

If your that confident, Wonder Woman beats Lobo. Battlezone sits right on top Versus boards.

Originally posted by "Id"
If your that confident, Wonder Woman beats Lobo. Battlezone sits right on top Versus boards.
I'm too busy atm in my work to do a BZ. However I didn't say diana wins here, I said its a split.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah and the same etrigan was said to be almost as strong as diana.
Yet Etrigan still submitted her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What track record?
For starters, Lobo takes on the following teams:

(1988) the Justice League International
Note: This is the first reapperance Post Crisis.
(1989) L.E.G.I.O.N.
(1991) Legion of Super Heros
(1995) Too many to name. Captain Atom, Guy Gardner (Warrior), Shazam etc.
(2004) The Authority
(2007) Teen Titans
(2009) Elite Mystics
(2010) Elite Lanterns

Originally posted by abhilegend
A retconned fight against a brainwashed superman nonwithstanding, superman has beaten lobo three times, one time nearly killed him with a punch.

Clark has never engendered Lobo with a single shot. That does not even make sense, with Lobo immortality n all. Once again making you a Liar. But what else is new?

Originally posted by abhilegend
If we're using direct comparison, diana stalemated a fully powered captain marvel while cap got upper hand on lobo while getting weaker.

Captain Marvel vs Lobo was highly competitive fight, and indecisive. Awful straw-man by the way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Etrigan stalemates him every time.
the time Lobo cut loose, he took on Etrigan, and the Forces of Hell single handily.

Yes this is the same Etrigan that was said to be as strong as Wonder Woman.
The same Etrigan that Wonder Women failed to put down.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supergirl stalemated him in a test of strength for one hour and let him win.
The same Supergirl, Lobo wiped the flor with along with the rest of the teen titans?

Originally posted by "Id"
Yet Etrigan still submitted her. He overpowered her, but byrne retconned that as etrigan was stronger due to being in hell. In WW 107 diana subdued him stating he was nearly as strong as her and in blood of the demon she was vastly stronger than him.


Irrelevant, characters take on teams and shit too often. Superman once took on every metahuman on earth.




orly

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-34.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-35.jpg

Don't start calling people liars.

Cap was weakening throughout the fight and still got the upper hand on lobo.


http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7343/wotgcmweakness.jpg



And? The fight in The Demon v3 14 is much more decisive where both fell exhausted after a long slugfest. Before that in The Demon v3 13 etrigan was owning lobo.

Nearly as strong.
And?



Never happened. Kara was punching him around however. Again this is more decisive

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/armlonbo.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/armlonbo2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/armlonbo3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/fakeclaims.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Irrelevant, characters take on teams and shit too often. Superman once took on every metahuman on earth.

Its completely relevant, since it reinforces my claim of Lobo's solid track records, against big names.

From 1988-1993, Lobo has had the following encounters to which most have been competitive. I have a more complete list, that focuses on all encounters up 1993. But I wanted to focus on the mainstream names, without repeat's.

Guy Gardner
Big Barda
Vril Dox
Superman
Etrigan
Captain Marvel
Starman + Eclipso
Amped Captain Comet
Green Lantern Hal Jordan
Lar Gand
Originally posted by abhilegend

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-34.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/23-AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual04-35.jpg

Don't start calling people liars.

The lie is the part of you, claiming Superman nearly killed Lobo in a single punch.

You know with Lobo being immortal and all. srsly
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap was weakening throughout the fight and still got the upper hand on lobo.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7343/wotgcmweakness.jpg

I have the fight right here, your not going to convince anyone that C. M. had the upper hand. The fight was a competitive. Which fits the bill, of DC making Lobo to be Superman class.
http://i.imgur.com/WsqXs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KUSFP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O0aF9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dTksR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zWZdF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3f2Ln.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend

Never happened.
Lobo fought Kara, and the rest of the Teen Titans on: Teen Titans #50 & Blue Beetle #18.coffee1

Originally posted by "Id"
Its completely relevant, since it reinforces my claim of Lobo's solid track records, against big names.

Not against teams where character job to make other characters look good.



Meh.
Loses almost every time or gets manhandled.
Stalemated at every turn.
Was weakened at the time and was almost powerless at the end of the fight as reavealed later.

Meh.

One on one hal stated he couldn't go all out due to several ships in vicinity and was purely on defensive the whole time. Johns lanterns are meh.
Stalemated him

That's what was said in the comic, being in denial wouldn't help you.



Being immortal doesn't stop you from getting beaten to an inch of your life which was what happened in that comic. Seriously, you are being pure fanboy right now.



Which was later reavealed to be a constantly weakening captain marvel as shown in my scan. Wonder woman stalemated a fully powered captain marvel previously.



Holy reading comprehension batman!

I said "Lobo never wiped the floor with teen titans including supergirl" which if you had the ability to read the whole paragraphs at once and not a single line. This is the fight you're talking about

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p12.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p13.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p14.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p15.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p16.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p18.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p20.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p21.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/RacerX-BB18-p22.jpg

Which is shown from a different angle in TT 50

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/25-1.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/26-1.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/27.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/28.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/29.jpg

Where did "Lobo wiped the floor with supergirl and teen titans" again? Again do I have to enlarge these images to show how supergirl and lobo stalemated in a test of strength for two hours?

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/armlonbo.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/armlonbo2.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/armlonbo3.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/fakeclaims.jpg

Diana punked the same supergirl in just a few issues earlier and was restraining her by one hand.

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/scan0046-1.jpg
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/scan0047-1.jpg

Who looks superior?

Also Byrne revealed etrigan was "almost as strong" as diana

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_WonderWoman107-07-1.jpg