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Tug of War contest on a bright sunny day

And Hulk gets added to the Marvel squad if Superman is winning.

Against all of them at the same time?

for serious?

Originally posted by Cogito
Against all of them at the same time?

for serious? yes at the same time

I realize the marvel squad is handicapped...hence they get Hulk on the squad if Superman wins too easily

....Marvel.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....Marvel. do you realize how stupid strong superman is?

Based on the recent showing, Superman wins.

Originally posted by Starscream M
do you realize how stupid strong superman is?

Do you realize how stupid strong Team Marvel is combined?

I'm not even going to bother adding Hulk.

barker

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Do you realize how stupid strong Team Marvel is combined?

I'm not even going to bother adding Hulk. I would say most on the marvel team would strain to lift a large mountain, which would be less than a 1lb dumbell for current superman

Originally posted by Cogito
barker If that's adressed to me - Superman bench-pressing Earth, out of the sun, for 5 days and saying "That's it?" is the highlight of his entire career ever since the Silver Age and is essentially a Silver Age feat itself.

It's not really fair to base everything from now on this feat and say Superman rolls every Marvel characters in a ball and calls it a day, which is why I said "based on the recent feat".

Originally posted by Starscream M
I would say most on the marvel team would strain to lift a large mountain, which would be less than a 1lb dumbell for current superman

baka

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
baka jake, superman had ONE drop of sweat after benchpressing earth for 4 days without sun...you do the friggin math

Superman right now is on another level, his strength level is INSANE

Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, superman had ONE drop of sweat after benchpressing earth for 4 days without sun...you do the friggin math

Superman right now is on another level, his strength level is INSANE

I read the scan.

Do you need some Kleenex, though?

Team

Let's not blow one scan out of proportion.

I have admitted on this forum many times that I have a DC bias. That's still true, and likely always will be. But I'm not about to run out and proclaim Superman to be stronger than Marvel's best combined without some history or consistent portrayal as such.

Until that time, I'll treat this feat as an outlier...just like I do the infinite weight book (which trumps the weight of the Earth like...an infinite times over)

Originally posted by Cogito
Let's not blow one scan out of proportion.

I have admitted on this forum many times that I have a DC bias. That's still true, and likely always will be. But I'm not about to run out and proclaim Superman to be stronger than Marvel's best combined without some history or consistent portrayal as such.

Until that time, I'll treat this feat as an outlier...just like I do the infinite weight book (which trumps the weight of the Earth like...an infinite times over)

Originally posted by Cogito
But I'm not about to run out and proclaim Superman to be stronger than Marvel's best combined without some history or consistent portrayal as such. I never said we should take only this feat at face value and say that Marvel never has a chance against Superman now - thus the "based on the recent feat" part.

But it gives us a pretty clear look on how Superman compared to his old version, who was stronger than the strongest on that team (Thor)

Originally posted by Cogito
Until that time, I'll treat this feat as an outlier...just like I do the infinite weight book (which trumps the weight of the Earth like...an infinite times over) Yes, but you see - pre-Flashpoint Superman was consistently in need of help in order to move celestial bodies (be it the Moon or Earth) - and I mean this as in everyt time, and even failed to do so (see him trying to hold the Earth into orbit with Diana and J'onn, or in New Krypton). Now he moves the Earth, for five days, out of the sun, and is basically "eh, I can do better".

That's insane.

If we want to add in all showings for the new superman then Superman has zero ****ing chance to do anything. But if we just base it off only the "I'm bench pressing the world for 5 days without his sun suit" superman then well I would believe he could pull team 2 into the mud, IDK about adding hulk....

Originally posted by Starscream M
do you realize how stupid strong superman is?

While I dont want to try and downplay this feat which was awesome it should be obvious that one feat is not the be all and end all of everything. At least not for an ongoing character like Superman who is going to rack up a lot of other appearances. If this is how Superman is consistently portrayed by everyone from here on out - great. But I doubt it.

I do think it shows that the idea that the character had been definitely powered down is obviously false. If there was such a deliberate decision it didnt last long in the chaos of modern DC editorial.

Team wins

lol.......norrin solos as usual

Just curious, does the scene say he's lifting weight equal to a planet, or weight equal to the Earth?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol.......norrin solos as usual u high?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just curious, does the scene say he's lifting weight equal to a planet, or weight equal to the Earth? equal to the earth I believe

Originally posted by Silent Master
Just curious, does the scene say he's lifting weight equal to a planet, or weight equal to the Earth? Earth.

Team and easy.

It's a good feat, but I could see several of the Marvel team members matching it.

Doubt it.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
doubt it He's a troll from herochat. Best to ignore him.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Doubt it.

I think Thor removing the Midgard Serpent from the Earth is a comparable feat, as Thor not only had to lift the Serpent's weight but also had to overcome his cl 100 strength.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I think Thor removing the Midgard Serpent from the Earth is a comparable feat, as Thor not only had to lift the Serpent's weight but also had to overcome his cl 100 strength. stop bringing decade old feats

what has thor done in the past 5 years in strength?!

Originally posted by Silent Master
I think Thor removing the Midgard Serpent from the Earth is a comparable feat, as Thor not only had to lift the Serpent's weight but also had to overcome his cl 100 strength. Yeah that can be compared but its also old as ****. I'm not saying it can't be used or anything because its his god damn history, but I don't recall the last time Thor did something like that. I remember Thor and Bill combining might to stop Asgard from crashlanding a few years ago. Context might be missing but...

Originally posted by Silent Master
I think Thor removing the Midgard Serpent from the Earth is a comparable feat

Snake-Eyes, I'm just going to post this quotes on herochat, so that I won't be the only one laughing at you.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yeah that can be compared but its also old as ****. I'm not saying it can't be used or anything because its his god damn history, but I don't recall the last time Thor did something like that. I remember Thor and Bill combining might to stop Asgard from crashlanding a few years ago. Context might be missing but...

It was a high-end feat for Thor, just like this is a high-end feat for Superman.

I wouldn't be surprised if a feat like that pops once per year. 131

Superman gets the love.

Thor gets the hate.

F U Marvel.

Question #1: how many here have actually read the comic with Thor and the Serpent, and how many are basing it on out-of-context scans?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
u high?

Naw, norrin is just that much better...learn to deal with it

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's a good feat, but I could see several of the Marvel team members matching it. I could see Thor doing it.

Originally posted by D-Block
I could see Thor doing it. I'm in the mood to own some Captain Marvel fanboys.

Prove it.

Originally posted by D-Block
I could see Thor doing it.

I'm more impressed that he held it for 5 days, that's got to be the best stamina feat post-crisis Superman has ever had.

Originally posted by Starscream M
stop bringing decade old feats

what has thor done in the past 5 years in strength?!

Canon is canon. Marvel doesn't do reboots for the most part. Selective ignorance is selective. If we're to ignore the feat entirely because it's old, then we're using different methods of arriving at a conclusion and our conversation is incompatible for actual debate.

srug

I actually don't think Thor's the key here. We know he has comparable but lower total strength than Kal. But we also know Surfer can amp to similar levels, Gladiator rests around the same, etc.

And "old" Superman, PC or mid-crises, has feats that put him in this range as well. The recent feat isn't anything new, so to speak, it just puts DCnU Superman around the same level he was before. This time it just puts a quantifiable total on it - whereas his other best feats are probably similar but don't have a number attached to them.

We like to glorify the new. The newest feats take precedence and seem greater than the rest. It happens with any character. But we're not dealing with a wildly stronger Superman imo. He'd win an arm-wrestling contest with any one of these guys, imo, but is sorely outmatched here.

Originally posted by Digi


We like to glorify the new. The newest feats take precedence and seem greater than the rest. It happens with any character. so my question is, what is thor's most impressive quantifiable strength feat in the past 10 years...just give me one.

Originally posted by Digi
Canon is canon. Marvel doesn't do reboots for the most part. Selective ignorance is selective. If we're to ignore the feat entirely because it's old, then we're using different methods of arriving at a conclusion and our conversation is incompatible for actual debate. I don't agree with old feats having the same relevance as new feats - but that's neither here nor there.

The important part:
The Serpent feat still isn't anywhere close to this feat, and that can be easily proven. Hell, it can be seen, as long as the posters in question read the actual issue where it happened.

Originally posted by Digi
I actually don't think Thor's the key here. We know he has comparable but lower total strength than Kal. But we also know Surfer can amp to similar levels, Gladiator rests around the same, etc.
If by Kal you mean pre-Flashpoint Kal, I'm not sure what you mean by 'comparable' but sure, he's in the same range in the way Wonder Woman is.

Originally posted by Digi
And "old" Superman, PC or mid-crises, has feats that put him in this range as well. The recent feat isn't anything new, so to speak, it just puts DCnU Superman around the same level he was before. This time it just puts a quantifiable total on it - whereas his other best feats are probably similar but don't have a number attached to them And that's where you're not correct. I know my Superman, so when tell you flat-out that pre-Flashpoint, he has been consistently (as in, everytime) shown as needing help to move the Earth or Moon and, even moreso, failing to do so alongside his teammates (J'onn/Diana in one example, him and dozens of other kryptonians in another), you'll know I'm right. Now, he's bench-pressing the Earth, for 5 days, without the sun, and he's only after sweating one drop. The difference in magnitude between how he has been consistently portrayed in the pre-Flashpoint Universe and this feat is immense.

Now, if you want to argue consistency, if you want to argue "let's wait a bit more for him to gather more showings so we can even them out", I agree.

But let's not act like this feat doesn't put him considerably (as in, massively) above pre-Flashpoint Superman, who was stronger than anybody on the team.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so my question is, what is thor's most impressive quantifiable strength feat in the past 10 years...just give me one.

Its difficult to "quantify" feats on that scale...but the Asgard lift was impressive

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Naw, norrin is just that much better...learn to deal with it Yep. U high.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yep. U high.

naw your just in denial

This is being closed soon. One, because it's a dumb-ass thread and Starscream should know better, and two, as impressive as the scan is, we need to see more.

While I am, frankly, over the moon with the scans that have been revealed, i'm not going to prematurely get my hopes up.

Though, yeah, **** the haters. That includes you, Sin.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Superman is godly in the presence of your weak Marvel characters.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Though, yeah, **** the haters. That includes you, Sin.


...love me!

Originally posted by Sin I AM
naw your just in denial

Superman is much stronger than Norin Borin.

keep telling yourself that

Give us feats of Surfer's strength. It's not even more impressive than PF.

Neither Superman nor Norrin would have an easy time against the other. It's one of the closest fights in comics, unless you think you can just argue powersets and get away with it.

Anyone who says otherwise? Shut up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
This is being closed soon. One, because it's a dumb-ass thread and Starscream should know better, and two, as impressive as the scan is, we need to see more.

While I am, frankly, over the moon with the scans that have been revealed, i'm not going to prematurely get my hopes up.

Though, yeah, **** the haters. That includes you, Sin.

Quick! Someone make a WB Hulk Vs. DCnU Supes thread!!! I nominate Starscream...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Neither Superman nor Norrin would have an easy time against the other. It's one of the closest fights in comics, unless you think you can just argue powersets and get away with it.

Anyone who says otherwise? Shut up.

I was talking about a tug of war. A test of strength.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I was talking about a tug of war. A test of strength.

Norrin is still plenty strong. Not as strong as Superman, but not some kind of weakling.

Strength feats are lame. That's not his style anyway. Supes can lift/push/pull a planet all day and he' d still lose the maj to ss everytime

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Strength feats are lame. That's not his style anyway. Supes can lift/push/pull a planet all day and he' d still lose the maj to ss everytime

No, he really won't.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Strength feats are lame. That's not his style anyway. Supes can lift/push/pull a planet all day and he' d still lose the maj to ss everytime

But this is a TUG OF WAR thread. This isn't a regular fight.

their strength is comparable at normal levels and norrin can amp so im sure that it's either equal or slight edge to ss


And PR no

Originally posted by Sin I AM
their strength is comparable at normal levels and norrin can amp so im sure that it's either equal or slight edge to ss


And PR no

SS isn't stronger than Superman, even with amping. Superman's dynamic strength would see to that, and the fact that he'd be holding back in the first place.

Yes.

On paper, SS can amp is strength many many folds but Marvel politics need to put a cap on SS versatility. Originally posted by -Pr-
SS isn't stronger than Superman, even with amping. Superman's dynamic strength would see to that, and the fact that he'd be holding back in the first place.

Yes.

Superman still has the superior strength feats, and that's what counts tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's a dumb-ass thread I respectfully disagree

Originally posted by Starscream M
I respectfully disagree

And you're wrong.

PR not to further unrail this thread but do u think on a random encounter Clark would beat radd for the maj?

What IS Surfer's best strength feat?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
PR not to further unrail this thread but do u think on a random encounter Clark would beat radd for the maj?

Pre reboot? Yes. Post, discounting his wonderful feat in the preview, no.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What IS Surfer's best strength feat?

Don't know.

His recent one after Fear Itself--where he threw that large spaceship into another solar system, was quite good.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Pre reboot? Yes. Post, discounting his wonderful feat in the preview, no.

Weakness exploitation?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Weakness exploitation?

Given more weight than it actually has, tbh.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
PR not to further unrail this thread but do u think on a random encounter Clark would beat radd for the maj?
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-31.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-32.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-33.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-34.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-35.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_GalactusTheDevourer1-36.jpg

That wasn't even a meteor.........
That's surfer in general.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's surfer in general.

I guess its easier living the lie

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I guess its easier living the lie

Irony?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Don't know.

His recent one after Fear Itself--where he threw that large spaceship into another solar system, was quite good.

got scans?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I guess its easier living the lie
In the next issue he fought red shift in a black hole. You think that was a lower level of portrayal for surfer?Originally posted by celeyhyga17
got scans?
He didn't throw it as much as he made the ship go in the straight line and removing the power to control the ship.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He didn't throw it as much as he made the ship go in the straight line and removing the power to control the ship. What?

Thor Ties Mjoinir to the end of the rope and leaves this stupid thread

Here's the scan btw. Its not a pure strength feat

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10695146_Defenders_003_020.jpg

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor Ties Mjoinir to the end of the rope and leaves this stupid thread
There is no spell preventing mjolnir from being dragged down the line.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Irony?

Coming from u sugah taken with a grain of salt

lol

I love how this thread has gone critical since I last checked it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no spell preventing mjolnir from being dragged down the line.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/ecko-man/coleman_wtf.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no spell preventing mjolnir from being dragged down the line.
Yes, that's exactly how the spell works

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Coming from u sugah taken with a grain of salt Originally posted by Damborgson
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/ecko-man/coleman_wtf.gif

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/ecko-man/coleman_wtf.gif Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yes, that's exactly how the spell works

Nope.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no spell preventing mjolnir from being dragged down the line.

I see the Thor hate here knows no bounds

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

yes. Superman isn't dragging Mjolnir. It will stay in place. He could rip the chunk of Earth where it's placed on but not tug it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I see the Thor hate here knows no bounds
I know more about thor than you can dream.Originally posted by Damborgson
yes. Superman isn't dragging Mjolnir. It will stay in place. He could rip the chunk of Earth where it's placed on but not tug it.
Same result.uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know more about thor than you can dream.
Sorry.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Same result.uhuh


http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/239473_o.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know more about thor than you can dream.
Same result.uhuh

Oh so u were just trolling then, wasn't sure if u were serious

Carry on...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Coming from u sugah taken with a grain of salt

Wut.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wut. I'd be more concerned about her calling you "sugah" than it not making sense.

You should have never advertised your location...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wut.

Your partial to Clark is all luv

This thread has become nothing but trolling.
Its great.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Oh so u were just trolling then, wasn't sure if u were serious

Carry on...
I was totally serious.g_hulk

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was totally serious.g_hulk Originally posted by abhilegend
I know more about thor than you can dream.
Same result.uhuh Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no spell preventing mjolnir from being dragged down the line.

U couldn't possibly be serious with these statements..noone under sky is dragging mjolnir anywhere...but keep thinking that it proves how knowledgeable u are

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your partial to Clark is all luv

I'm partial to Norrin too. Long before I was to Clark.

Let's not pretend I don't have a genuine reason based on showings for why I think the way I do.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'd be more concerned about her calling you "sugah" than it not making sense.

You should have never advertised your location...

You can hire Bruce as a bootyguard.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm partial to Norrin too. Long before I was to Clark.

Let's not pretend I don't have a genuine reason based on showings for why I think the way I do.





Ok I gather that, but strength will not be the determining factor in a fight between the two. He can bench press as many earths as he likes, he's not overcoming Norrin on strength alone

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok I gather that, but strength will not be the determining factor in a fight between the two. He can bench press as many earths as he likes, he's not overcoming Norrin on strength alone

Nobody said he would win on strength alone, but pretending it isn't a factor at all is just as silly.

Originally posted by Mindset
You can hire Bruce as a bootyguard.

You kidding? With his double barrel?

Originally posted by -Pr-

You kidding? With his double barrel? huh...what does that mean?

Also, I would protect you if you requested.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody said he would win on strength alone, but pretending it isn't a factor at all is just as silly.



You kidding? With his double barrel?

Surfer isn't a brawler PR his strength feats are few and far in between. Superman on the other hand is, and is consistently portrayed as such, and has often moved celestial bodies. But that doesn't mean he can't match him, or amp his strength in accordance with Clarks...ss is the head if the herald class for a reason

Originally posted by Starscream M
huh...what does that mean?

Also, I would protect you if you requested.

Originally posted by Starscream M
huh...what does that mean?

Also, I would protect you if you requested.

I'm sure I'll be fine.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Surfer isn't a brawler PR his strength feats are few and far in between. Superman on the other hand is, and is consistently portrayed as such, and has often moved celestial bodies. But that doesn't mean he can't match him, or amp his strength in accordance with Clarks...ss is the head if the herald class for a reason

Not in terms of strength, he isn't. Surfer might be primarily a ranged fighter, but that doesn't mean Clark isn't fast enough to get in close, where he holds a definite advantage. A strength contest would end badly for Norrin almost every time.

Surfer isn't by default top of the herald class. Especially when stacked up against someone like Thor.

Bruce, I request you protect Pr.

Originally posted by Mindset
Bruce, I request you protect Pr.

From what, my anal virginity?

mmm

That's between you and Bruce.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U couldn't possibly be serious with these statements..noone under sky is dragging mjolnir anywhere...but keep thinking that it proves how knowledgeable u are
And why would that be? You already showed us how much you know about these characters.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok I gather that, but strength will not be the determining factor in a fight between the two. He can bench press as many earths as he likes, he's not overcoming Norrin on strength alone
Yeah, that's why surfer fanboys are laughed at. Surfer has never been beaten by strength, right? Right?Originally posted by Sin I AM
Surfer isn't a brawler PR his strength feats are few and far in between. Superman on the other hand is, and is consistently portrayed as such, and has often moved celestial bodies. But that doesn't mean he can't match him, or amp his strength in accordance with Clarks...ss is the head if the herald class for a reason
This isn't moving celestial bodies. This is bench pressing the whole ****ing earth for 5 days. Yeah, he amped himself 50 years ago to match a thing who could lift 15 tons atm and said "your strength is beyond my comprehension". On another ocassion he absorbed so much energy to amp himself that he would've exploded if amped any further and released that energy and all he has to destroy a moon by colliding with it and was nearly killed. That means he can match strength with superman liek totally. Lulz.

Abhi, i've already asked you to cut the attitude.

You don't need to be snarky to get your point across, especially when you're right.

He's a rogue member of the House of El, much like Carver is a rogue member of the Gamma Church.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Abhi, i've already asked you to cut the attitude.

You don't need to be snarky to get your point across, especially when you're right.
Ok.

Originally posted by -Pr-
From what, my anal virginity?

he's gotta protect what is his.

By feats and especially recent Superman most likely wins. In comics and by common sense, everyone from the Team has a good chance to stalemate or take at least 2-4 wins from Supes on his own, especially Thor and SS.
This team stomps. Except if CIS is on for them and off for Supes (OWAW style.)

Or

If Loeb writes the story.


or

if Morrison writes the story.

The only person that can win this is Hulk...the rest get slung around like a teenager wrestling Brock.

Originally posted by carver9
The only person that can win this is Hulk...the rest get slung around like a teenager wrestling Brock. maybe with the aid of the others but not by himself.

This is spite against Superman.

Originally posted by lawest9
maybe with the aid of the others but not by himself.

WTF? Why can't he? Planetary strength died a long time ago when WWH was introduced. Hell, at his weakest he was shifting a planet twice the size of Earth and did it with ease AFTER being hit by a warp core bomb that split the planet in half.

Originally posted by carver9
WTF? Why can't he? Planetary strength died a long time ago when WWH was introduced. Hell, at his weakest he was shifting a planet twice the size of Earth and did it with ease AFTER being hit by a warp core bomb that split the planet in half.

He was amped

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He was amped

He wasn't amped during that instance...his entire stay on that planet, he was weakened. The bomb pissed him off but not to the point of being near his WWH levels. The writer even stated he was weakened during Planet Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't amped during that instance...his entire stay on that planet, he was weakened. The bomb pissed him off but not to the point of being near his WWH levels. The writer even stated he was weakened during Planet Hulk.

No

Shut up carter.

Also, closed for being a silly thread.