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we in the days blessed the first of the month of Dhul Hijjah, which is held by the rites of the obligatory fifth of Islam

Allah blessed me and you pilgrimage home Grand in Mecca and visit the grave of Mostafah Habibi Muhammad peace be upon him in Medina


Hajj is the fifth pillar of Islam, Allah has imposed on the Muslims in the sixth year Hijri, one of the best works, was asked the Messenger of Allah (: Any business better?
He said: (faith in Allah and His Messenger).
It was said: Then what? He said: (Jihad in the way of Allah).
It was said: Then what? He said: (accepted Hajj (the pilgrimage which was mixed with sin.) _
And Aisha - may Allah be pleased - said: O Messenger of Allah Jihad see the best work do you not strive? He said: (No, but the best Jihad accepted Hajj) _ .

The Hajj is an expiation for sins, he said (: (of Hajj and does not and does not immoral act, he returned the day his mother bore him) _ . He also said: ('umrah to an expiation for them, and accepted Hajj brings no less a reward than Paradise) _ said (: (Amar delegation of pilgrims and God, who goes, and they asked him to them gave He) _ .

Hajj and cleanses the soul and restores clarity and fidelity, and that it would be human to be patient and endure, and Hajj implanted in the soul the spirit of bondage full of God, and submission true to the law of God, and the pilgrimage leads a person to God grateful for the blessing of money and blessing of wellness.

Hajj and lead to long relationship with the Muslims, including different colors, languages and home, and feel more strongly the Association of Islamic brotherhood, and helps to spread the call of Islam, as it is a popular conference to address the Muslims and to identify the conditions, and discuss their problems.

The conditions of Hajj being obligatory:
1 - Islam, Hajj is not obligatory on the infidel.
2 - puberty, there must be a boy, even pilgrimage boy before puberty, is not acceptable for duty after puberty, but to perform Hajj once again, for saying (: (Any boy Ag then reached Perjury (age of reference), he should do Hajj again) _ .

3 - the mind, not on the pilgrimage crazy, but do not correct it.
4 - freedom, there must be not a slave.
5 - Being, so that it is able to withstand the hardship of travel, and that he has enough is enough of having to beg until he returns.

6-And women, like men in the conditions of Hajj being obligatory but it is essential that accompanied a husband or a mahram, or be with her trustworthy women


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTJZXfaY54w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fzC_lkIIHs&feature=fvst

That last line tells me you're a sexist bigot.

The pilgrims begin arriving by air, sea, and land during the weeks prior to the pilgrimage period. They usually arrive into Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, the major port city nearest to Mecca (45 miles distance). From there they travel with their Hajj group to Mecca. As they approach Mecca, they stop at one of the designated areas to shower and change clothing, entering into a state of devotion and purity for the pilgrimage.




Ihram

Ihram is the intention of the person willing to perform all rites of 'Umrah, Hajj or both when he arrives at the Miqat. Each direction coming into Makkah has its own Miqat. It is recommended that the one who intends to perform Hajj makes Ghusl (a shower with the intention to purify one's self), perfumes his body, but not his garments, and puts on a two piece garment with no headgear. The garments should be of seamless cloth. One piece to cover the upper part of the body, and the second to cover the lower part. For a woman the Ihram is the same except that she should not use perfumes at all and her dress should cover the whole body decently, leaving the hands and the face uncovered. The pilgrim should say the intention according to the type of Hajj. For Hajj Al-Tamatt'u one should say: "Labbayka Allahumma 'Umrah" which means "O Allah I answered Your call to perform 'Umrah". It is recommended to repeat the well known supplication of Hajj, called Talbeyah, as frequently as possible from the time of Ihram till the time of the first stoning of Jamrat Al-Aqabah in Mina. Men are recommended to utter the Talbeyah aloud while women are to say it quietly. This Talbeyah is of the form:

"Labbayka Allahumma Labbayk. Labbayka La Shareeka Laka Labbayk. Inna-alhamda Wan-ntimata Laka Walmulk. La Shareek Lak." (Here I am at your service. O my Lord, here I am. Here I am. No partner do You have. Here I am. Truly, the praise and the provisions are Yours, and so is the dominion. No partner do You have.)

Tawaf: When a Muslim arrives to Makkah, he should make Tawaf around the Ka'bah, as a gesture of greeting A1Masjid Al-Haraam. This is done by circling the Ka'bah seven times in the counterclockwise direction, starting from the black stone with Takbeer and ending each circle at the Black Stone with Takbeer, keeping the Ka'bah to one's left. Then the pilgrim goes to Maqam Ibrahim (Ibrahim's Station), and performs two rak'ah behind it, close to it if possible, but away from the path of the people making Tawaf. In all cases one should be facing the Ka'bah when praying behind Maqam Ibrahim.

Sa'i: The next rite is to make Sa'i between Safa and Marwah. The pilgrim starts Sa'i by ascending the Safa. While facing the Ka'bah he praises Allah, raises his hands and says Takbeer "Allah-u Akbar" three times, then makes supplication to Allah. Then the pilgrim descends from the Safa and heads towards the Marwah. One should increase the pace between the clearly marked green posts, but should walk at a normal pace before and after them. When the pilgrim reaches the Marwah, he should ascend it, praise Allah and do as he did at the Safa. This is considered one round and so is the other way from the Marwah to the Safa. A total of seven rounds are required to perform the Sa'i. After Sa'i, the Muslim ends his 'Umrah rites by shaving his head or trimming his hair (women should cut a finger tip's length from their hair). At this stage, the prohibitions pertaining to the state of Ihram are lifted and one can resume his normal life.

There are no required formulas or supplications for Tawaf or for Sa'i. It is up to the worshipper to praise Allah or to supplicate Him with any acceptable supplication or to recite portions of the Qur'an. Although it is recommended to recite the supplications that the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, used to say during the performance of these rites.

It must be noted that 'Umrah can be performed by itself as described above at any time of the year.



Going out to Mina on the day of Tarwiah

A pilgrim performing Hajj AlTamatt'u should intend Ihram, from the place where he is staying, on the 8th day of Thul-Hijjah, which is the Tarwiah Day, and leave to Mina in the morning. In Mina, the pilgrims pray Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib and Isha of the 8th day of ThulHijjah and Fajr of the 9th day of ThulHijjah. Dhuhr, Asr and Isha are each shortened to two Rak'ah only, but are not combined. The pilgrim remains in Mina until sunrise of the 9th day of ThulHijjah and then leaves to Arafat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnQZZFQ7ldk


Departure to Arafat

On the 9th day of Thul-Hijjah, the Day of Arafat, the pilgrims stay in Arafat until sunset. The pilgrims pray Dhuhr and Asr at Arafat, shortened and combined dur ing the time of Dhuhr to save the rest of the day for glorifying Allah and for supplication asking forgiveness. A pilgrim should make sure that he is within the boundaries of Arafat, not necessarily standing on the mountain of Arafat. The Prophet salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, said: "I stood here on this rocky hill and all Arafat is a standing place" Muslim. One should keep reciting Talbeyah, glorifying Allah the Greatest and repeating supplication. It is also reported that the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, used to say the following supplication: "There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, the One without a partner. The dominion and the praise are His and He is powerful over everything." Anas Ibn Malik was asked once how he and his friends used to spend their time while walking from Mina to Arafat in the company of the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam. Anas said: "Some of us used to cry out Talbeyah, others used to glorify Allah the Greatest and the rest used to repeat prayers. Each one of us was free to worship Allah in the way he likes without prejudice or renunciation of his right." Bukhari.

In the vast square plain of Arafat, tears are shed, sins are washed and faults are redressed for those who ask Allah for forgiveness and offer sincere repentance for their wrong doings in the past. Happy is the person who receives the Mercy and Pleasure of Allah on this particular day.

Eninn, you're not talking to anyone, you're just posting diatribes on the same material. My earlier warning about thread-spam holds here. Don't let this become a bigger issue.

Originally posted by Digi
Eninn, you're not talking to anyone, you're just posting diatribes on the same material. My earlier warning about thread-spam holds here. Don't let this become a bigger issue.
I read her or his posts, occasionally.

Muslims spend more money on Hajj each year than US spent developing and sending Curiosity to Mars.

Muslim priority failure.

Originally posted by Astner
I read her or his posts, occasionally.

Right, an occasional reply surfaces. The point is, it's rare, and most of these don't make it off of page 1 (at least not with on-topic discussion). And the fact that most of these boil down to copy/pasted lectures on Islam, and that he rarely actually engages people in discussion or acknowledges others' points, means that the thread starting borders on thread-spam.

There's no clear line to this distinction, and I haven't issued a formal "on record" warning, but he's been asked to limit his threads, and had several dozen threads merged at one point. He honored the request, for a while, then reverted. I know the forum isn't as active as it once was, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to keep it from becoming drowned by a single poster.

I also realize it's not a horrible offense, which is why there hasn't been formal discipline. But I see no change to his habits, so the request bore repeating. If it continues, I'll talk with the other mods and see if we should do something.

Is it eninn's fault that no one replies to his threads? He's clearly not bothering anyone.

Sending a PM; no need to continue this here.

Originally posted by Astner
Is it eninn's fault that no one replies to his threads? He's clearly not bothering anyone.

the forum doesn't apply the harm principle when determining rules

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Muslims spend more money on Hajj each year than US spent developing and sending Curiosity to Mars.

Muslim priority failure. In Us they spend money on condoms than they do on Curiosity to Mars. Noone cares.

Originally posted by Astner
Is it eninn's fault that no one replies to his threads? i would say so, yes...

Many people
Want to know the Hajj
What happens there?

What is the purpose of that?

Curiosity and suspense



The departure from Arafat

Soon after sunset on the Day of Arafat, the pilgrims leave for Muzdalifah quietly and reverently in compliance with the advice of the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, who said when he noticed people walking without calmness: "O people! Be quiet, hastening is not a sign of righteousness." Bukhari. In order to follow the example of the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, it is preferable to keep reciting the Talbeyah, glorifying Allah the Greatest and mentioning the name of Allah until the time of stoning Jamrat Al-Aqabah (a stone pillar in Mina). In Muzdalifah, the pilgrim performs Maghrib and Isha prayers combined, shortening the Isha prayer to two Rak'ah.Pilgrims stay overnight in Muzdalifah to perform the Fajr prayer and wait until the brightness of the morning is widespread before they leave to Mina passing through the sacred Mash'ar valley.

Women and weak individuals are allowed to proceed to Mina at any time after midnight to avoid the crowd.


Stoning Jamrat Al-Aqabah

When the pilgrims arrive at Mina, they go to Jamrat Al-Aqabah where they stone it with seven pebbles glorifying Allah "Allah-u Akbar" at each throw and calling on Him to accept their Hajj. The time of stoning Jamrat Al-Aqabah is after sunrise. The Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, threw the pebbles late in the morning and permitted weak people to stone after leaving Muzdalifah after midnight. The size of the pebbles should not be more than that of a bean as described by the Prophet, salla Allahu alaihe wa salam, who warned against exaggeration. The pebbles can be picked up either in Muzdalifah or in Mina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBkubo9PKI8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKRw31ba488&feature=related

remember Abraham's trials,

102. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah), so look what you think!" He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Insha' Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)."

103. Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

104. And We called out to him: "O Abraham!

105. You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers -

106. Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial

107. And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice



The meat from the sacrifice of Eid al-Adha is mostly given away to others. One-third is eaten by immediate family and relatives, one-third is given away to friends, and one-third is donated to the poor. The act symbolizes our willingness to give up things that are of benefit to us or close to our hearts, in order to follow Allah's commands. It also symbolizes our willingness to give up some of our own bounties, in order to strengthen ties of friendship and help those who are in need. We recognize that all blessings come from Allah, and we should open our hearts and share with others.

It is very important to understand that the sacrifice itself, as practiced by Muslims, has nothing to do with atoning for our sins or using the blood to wash ourselves from sin. This is a misunderstanding by those of previous generations: "It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37)

Originally posted by eninn
"It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37)

Thrilling... absolutely, thrilling.

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Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
Awesome X and the Xtacles aboard Xcalibur Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPZQx8KmgCs

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=132#post14482589

eninn vs JIA

Round 1:

FIGHT!!!

Eninn wins by solipsistic bfr (in other words, not acknowledging that JIA is posting anything)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=132#post14482589

It's like having an argument between two deaf mutts.

Did I call it, or did I call it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcF4WC1UbA



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAEQyNS93hY

Great feelings at the Hajj

Turkey Pie ,,,thank you


This is a miracle to watch and meditation
Abraham, peace be upon him alone in the desert and called out then meets the call of millions over the centuries without interruption

allah Almighty make this matter easier for pilgrims

And psychological feelings and patience in this place is different from anywhere else

I ask God Almighty that gives you the opportunity to perform Hajj
And the experience of those sentiments
And filled with tears of tenderness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2odZ0oNBWVg

Prophet Ibrahim built this House for devout worship to one God. But within his lifetime people disobeyed his orders and began to put idols inside the Kaaba. Ibrahim had to clean the House of these idols and of Idle worshippers. He told the people that this was a symbolic house of God. God does not live there for He is everywhere. People did not understand this logic and no sooner had Ibrahim died the people, out of reverence, filled the place with idols again. They thronged to this place annually and

worshipped their personal gods, It was over Four Thousand years later that the last of the line of prophet (SA), Muhammad Ibne Abdullah entered Makka triumphantly, went inside the Kaaba and, with the help of his cousin and son in law Ali Ibne Abi Talib, (AS) destroyed all the idols of Kaaba with their own hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nteyh-4PKoU

What is inside the kaaba?


There are two pillars inside (others report 3 pillars)
There is a table on the side to put items like perfume
There are two lantern-type lamps hanging from the ceiling
The space can accommodate about 50 people
There are no electric lights inside
The walls and floors are of marble
There are no windows inside
There is only one door
The upper inside walls of the kaaba were covered with some kind of curtain with the Kalima written on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j-kMfA2x8w

Nobody cares about Hajj. Nobody wants to be a Muslim here and those who do, won't become Muslims because you copy-paste crap.

Originally posted by Oliver North
eninn vs JIA

Round 1:

FIGHT!!!

http://media.tumblr.com/879ab260c518d7e22bc9145fb814e9d6/tumblr_inline_mjk3wzWTtD1qz4rgp.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b8SmNV_Fr4

eninn please stop with the link only posts.

Hajj pilgrimage is not only religious liturgical (5th pillar of Islam who mentally and physically capable), but also spiritual and socio-cultural. Tiijdens pilgrimage happen miracles: diseases according to several specialist doctors "chronic" are, just delete it. Many people communicate telepathically with one of their family members who are in Europe or Indonesia; many cases be cured by blindness. And much more. People you all there encounter new friends .. In short: a wonderful atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qo7thso2xE

eninn, thank you!

not at all


The Five Pillars of Islam
.

1) Faith | 2) Prayer | 3) The 'Zakat'
4) The Fast | 5) Pilgrimage (Hajj)

There is no god worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is His messenger.





The principle in Islam regarding Hajj is that if one has debt, and if after paying that debt, there is not enough funds left for one to perform the Hajj, then the pilgrimage of Hajj is not obligatory on that person.

Hajj is only obligatory on a person, if he can afford to do so; after paying all his debts. It is better and purer for the person to pay and clear his debts, than to perform the Hajj pilgrimage. And it is not permissible that a person stops paying his installments, to save for the Hajj pilgrimage; unless, of course, the person whom he owes the money, of his/her own free will and without any pressure, allows the person to delay the payment of the debt, to facilitate the Hajj of the debtor. But if the one who is owed the money, demands his/her money; then it is purer for the person to arrange to pay the debt, and delay his Hajj for the following year.



The annual pilgrimage to Makkah - the Hajj - is an obligation only for those who are physically and financially able to perform it. Nevertheless, about two million people go to Makkah each year from every corner of the globe providing a unique opportunity for those of different nations to meet one another. Although Makkah is always filled with visitors, the annual Hajj begins in the twelfth month of the Islamic year (which is lunar, not solar, so that Hajj and Ramadan fall sometimes in summer, sometimes in winter). Pilgrims wear special clothes: simple garments which strip away distinctions of class and culture, so that all stand equal before God.


Some examples


1. The ruling regarding proceeding for Hajj while having an interest based impermissible loan.
2. The validity of having an interest based loan in western non muslim majority countries.
3. The validity of Hajj, while making interest based payments, upon one's return from Hajj.



Hajj While Having an Interest Based Loan

Hajj is only obligatory upon those who are free from debt. However if one wishes to proceed while still being in a state of debt, it is permissible. If the dept is interest based, it would be wise to first pay off the debt and then proceed for Hajj.

"As a right of Allah, it is obligatory on the people to perform Hajj of the House - on everyone who has the ability to manage (his) way to it". (Holy Quran 3:97)

Imam Hasan Shurunbulali in Nur Al Idah and Imam Fakhruddin Al Razi in Al Tafseer Al Kabeer have listed 'paying all outstanding debts'as one of the conditions for Hajj to become fardh (mandatory). (See Nur Al Idah and Al Tafseer Al Kabeer)

Interest Based Loans / Mortgages in Non Muslim Majority Countries

The statement that "it is the law of the land to pay interest" is inaccurate. compelling citizens to purchase homes through interest based loans. In fact, there are various halal alternatives such as Islamic financing and living in rent etc.

Paying Interest / Usury After Returning From Hajj

From amongst the objectives of Hajj is to renew one's commitment to adhere to all Quranic injunctions and abandon all wrong.

Imam Abu Bakr Jaabir Al Jazaairi writes "From the wisdom of Hajj and Umrah, is to purify oneself from the effects of sin, so that one becomes worthy of the honour of Almighty Allah, particularly in the abode hereafter" (Minhaj Al Muslim).

Therefore, deliberately engaging in sin after one's Hajj would not be appropriate. Despite this, it should be noted that the obligation of Hajj will be fulfilled, even though one may commit sin after one's return from Hajj.

allah makes these days happy for all


Christian American converted to Islam and the Hajj pilgrimage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LgMQ_UIFxI

One American's Pilgrimage To Mecca (Michael Wolfe) Part 1/2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dOlGoiGrSA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAgqTlr_zGY

this link about part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv_BPa12xZE



here another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUlIwo2c2oY



thank you


today


On the 9th day of Thul-Hijjah, the Day of Arafat, the pilgrims stay in Arafat until sunset.

It is also reported that the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, used to say the following supplication: "There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, the One without a partner. The dominion and the praise are His and He is powerful over everything." Anas Ibn Malik was asked once how he and his friends used to spend their time while walking from Mina to Arafat in the company of the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam. Anas said: "Some of us used to cry out Talbeyah, others used to glorify Allah the Greatest and the rest used to repeat prayers. Each one of us was free to worship Allah in the way he likes without prejudice or renunciation of his right." Bukhari.

In the vast square plain of Arafat, tears are shed, sins are washed and faults are redressed for those who ask Allah for forgiveness and offer sincere repentance for their wrong doings in the past. Happy is the person who receives the Mercy and Pleasure of Allah on this particular day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rss_vbbHojU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Bx80d-eSU


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Eid al-Adha

Throughout the world, Muslims celebrate Eid al-Adha, the Festival of Sacrifice, on this day. This is the second of the two major holidays in Islam each year.




remember Abraham's trials,

102. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah), so look what you think!" He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Insha' Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)."

103. Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

104. And We called out to him: "O Abraham!

105. You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers -

106. Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial

107. And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice



The meat from the sacrifice of Eid al-Adha is mostly given away to others. One-third is eaten by immediate family and relatives, one-third is given away to friends, and one-third is donated to the poor. The act symbolizes our willingness to give up things that are of benefit to us or close to our hearts, in order to follow Allah's commands. It also symbolizes our willingness to give up some of our own bounties, in order to strengthen ties of friendship and help those who are in need. We recognize that all blessings come from Allah, and we should open our hearts and share with others.

It is very important to understand that the sacrifice itself, as practiced by Muslims, has nothing to do with atoning for our sins or using the blood to wash ourselves from sin. This is a misunderstanding by those of previous generations: "It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37) ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcF4WC1UbA

"It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37)

Indeed, it was the greatest test of all, the sacrificing of his only child, one born to him after he had reached an old age and years of longing for progeny. Here, Abraham showed his willingness to sacrifice all his belongings for God, and for this reason, he was designated a leader of all humanity, one whom God blessed with a progeny of Prophets.

Ibn Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah peace be upon him: "The best water on the face of the earth where the water of Zamzam taste of food and healing of dieback

Zamzam water is alkaline rich minerals beneficial for the body and explains the book (balance acid alkali in health and disease) benefits of drinking water, alkaline ionized as provide a great deal of energy is equivalent to the pH of the body and removes waste acid from the body, as it is powerful antioxidant and remover the forces of the toxins (grant electrons to oxygen atoms of the active free).

It also helps to absorb nutrients more efficiently into the body and helps the body to represent the metal ionized more easily, plus it helps to regulate digestion and improve the overall rebalancing of the body, and reduces the oxidation of the vital organs and destroys cancer cells , and has a coefficient of oxidation and reduction of negative to this is compromise anti-bacterial.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3i7Vgs4-JQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Bx80d-eSU

dear brother

inshaallah this will help you
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHm2y1mpTLw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXIyR8c66bg

مسيحية أمريكية تحولت للإسلام وتقوم بأداء فريضة الحج youtube
Christian American converted to Islam and the Hajj pilgrimage youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjOfSqwPReE


AMERICAN in MAKKAH HAJJ youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpdELD7wONM

Ahmed Deedat Evolution Theoryاحمد ديدات و نظرية التطورyoutube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DkLhqQntbc

How do I go about going on the pilgrimage?

here

لماذا يمنع الكفار من الدخول إلى مكة ؟

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg50cJDW1MI

Is it sad that I read each of eninn's posts in this thread?

Originally posted by eninn
here

لماذا يمنع الكفار من الدخول إلى مكة ؟

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg50cJDW1MI
When do I get to behead my first infidel?

What happens in these days?


1-Ihram

2- Tawaf around the Ka'bah

3-Sa'i between Safa and Marwah

4- Going out to Mina on the day of Tarwiah

5- Departure to Arafat On the 9th day of Thul-Hijjah

6- The departure from Arafat to in Muzdalifah

7- Stoning Jamrat Al-Aqabah

8- Slaughter of Sacrifice

9- Shaving the head or trimming the hair

10- Tawaf Al-Ifadhah

11-The pilgrim should return to Mina and spend there the days of Tashreeq (i.e. the I I th, 1 2th and 1 3th day of Thul-Hijjah).

12- Farewell Tawaf

Dr Zakir Naik speaking about Hajj - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOgc7unDerw


Do Muslims Worship the KA'BAH ? Dr. Zakir Naik (Urdu)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9MqYyFhpKM

The Five Pillars of Islam
.

1) Faith | 2) Prayer | 3) The 'Zakat'
4) The Fast | 5) Pilgrimage (Hajj)

There is no god worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is His messenger.


Once in a lifetime only

If you like the performance of the Hajj once again

do not mind

allah Almighty make this matter easier for pilgrims

And psychological feelings and patience in this place is different from anywhere else

I ask God Almighty that gives you the opportunity to perform Hajj
And the experience of those sentiments
And filled with tears of tenderness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2odZ0oNBWVg


The pilgrims begin arriving by air, sea, and land during the weeks prior to the pilgrimage period. They usually arrive into Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, the major port city nearest to Mecca (45 miles distance). From there they travel with their Hajj group to Mecca. As they approach Mecca, they stop at one of the designated areas to shower and change clothing, entering into a state of devotion and purity for the pilgrimage.


allah makes these days happy for all


Dr Zakir Naik about Hajj e badal and Does stonning during hajj hurt shaitan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjoQ5-mn2rU

مسيحية أمريكية تحولت للإسلام وتقوم بأداء فريضة الحج youtube
Christian American converted to Islam and the Hajj pilgrimage youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjOfSqwPReE


Why Do Muslims Perform Pilgrimage Hajj
https://www.youtube.com/results? search_query=American+Christian+the+Hajj+pilgrimag
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Pilgrimage to the land of human rights violations. How does Allah feel about misogyny and homophobia committed in His Holy Land?

the great Islam gave the woman her honorable value, all the Laws of in the world will not reach this high level

prophet Mohammad said:

1 - Women are the twin halves of men.
2 - The world and all things in it are valuable; but the most valuable thing in the world is a virtuous woman.
3 - The best women are the virtuous; they are the most affectionate to infants, and the most careful of their husband's property.
4 - When a woman performeth the five times of prayer, and fasteth the month of Ramadan, and is chaste, and is not disobedient to her husband, then tell her to enter Paradise by whichever door she liketh.
5 - Verily a great number of women are assembled near my family, complaining of their hubands; and those men who ill-treat their wives do not behave well. He is not of my way who teacheth a woman to stray.
6 - Asma, daughter of Yazid, said, "Victuals were brought to Muhammad, and he put them before some of us women who were present, and said, 'Eat ye.' But notwithstanding we were hungry we said, 'We have no inclination.' Muhammad said, 'O woman! Do not mix hunger with lies.' "
7 - Whoever doeth good to girls, it will be a curtain to him from hell-fire.
8 - Whoever befriendeth two girls till they come of age, will be in the next world along with me, like my two fingers joining each other.
9 - Whoever befriendeth three daughters, or three sisters, and teacheth them manners, and is affectionate to them, till they come of age, may God apportion Paradise for him.
10 - Whoever hath a daughter, and doth not bury her alive or scold her, or prefer his male children to her, may God bring him into Paradise.
11 - Shall I not point out to you the best of virtues? It is your doing good to your daughter when she is returned to you having been divorced by her husband.
12 - God enjoins you to treat women well, for they are your mothers, daughters, aunts.
13 - Do not prevent your women from coming to the mosque.
14 - The believers who show the most perfect faith are those who have the best disposition and the best of you are those who are best to their wives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ORuDtkAQY


رأي الاسلام في الشواذ جنسياً ( المثليين ) - ذاكر نايك Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wksP_SIgrd4



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This is a miracle to watch and meditation
Abraham, peace be upon him alone in the desert and called out then meets the call of millions over the centuries without interruption to Ka'bah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5-wxkAJ6yM


Departure to Arafat

On the 9th day of Thul-Hijjah, the Day of Arafat, the pilgrims stay in Arafat until sunset. The pilgrims pray Dhuhr and Asr at Arafat, shortened and combined dur ing the time of Dhuhr to save the rest of the day for glorifying Allah and for supplication asking forgiveness. A pilgrim should make sure that he is within the boundaries of Arafat, not necessarily standing on the mountain of Arafat. The Prophet salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, said: "I stood here on this rocky hill and all Arafat is a standing place" Muslim. One should keep reciting Talbeyah, glorifying Allah the Greatest and repeating supplication. It is also reported that the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam, used to say the following supplication: "There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, the One without a partner. The dominion and the praise are His and He is powerful over everything." Anas Ibn Malik was asked once how he and his friends used to spend their time while walking from Mina to Arafat in the company of the Prophet, salla Allah-u alaihe wa salam. Anas said: "Some of us used to cry out Talbeyah, others used to glorify Allah the Greatest and the rest used to repeat prayers. Each one of us was free to worship Allah in the way he likes without prejudice or renunciation of his right." Bukhari.

In the vast square plain of Arafat, tears are shed, sins are washed and faults are redressed for those who ask Allah for forgiveness and offer sincere repentance for their wrong doings in the past. Happy is the person who receives the Mercy and Pleasure of Allah on this particular day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jyqxiM0Ek




Eid al-Adha

Throughout the world, Muslims celebrate Eid al-Adha, the Festival of Sacrifice, on this day. This is the second of the two major holidays in Islam each year.




remember Abraham's trials,

102. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah), so look what you think!" He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Insha' Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)."

103. Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

104. And We called out to him: "O Abraham!

105. You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers -

106. Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial

107. And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice


sacrifice animals
The meat from the sacrifice of Eid al-Adha is mostly given away to others. One-third is eaten by immediate family and relatives, one-third is given away to friends, and one-third is donated to the poor. The act symbolizes our willingness to give up things that are of benefit to us or close to our hearts, in order to follow Allah's commands. It also symbolizes our willingness to give up some of our own bounties, in order to strengthen ties of friendship and help those who are in need. We recognize that all blessings come from Allah, and we should open our hearts and share with others.

It is very important to understand that the sacrifice itself, as practiced by Muslims, has nothing to do with atoning for our sins or using the blood to wash ourselves from sin. This is a misunderstanding by those of previous generations: "It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37) ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcF4WC1UbA


"It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him." (Qur'an 22:37)

Indeed, it was the greatest test of all, the sacrificing of his only child, one born to him after he had reached an old age and years of longing for progeny. Here, Abraham showed his willingness to sacrifice all his belongings for God, and for this reason, he was designated a leader of all humanity, one whom God blessed with a progeny of Prophets.

لبيك اللهم لبيك / 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoLIlTZBlEw
تلبية الحج ساعة كاملة بصوت عذب وجميل
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I1u2Jw_W44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jyqxiM0Ek
انبهار مذيعة CNN من تنظيم الحج في السعودية، ومدى فرحة الحجاج بأداء حجهم
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4oiQWGoZO4

تكبيرات العيد من الاذاعة المصرية جميل جدا
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcF4WC1UbA

Ooga Booga to you too, buddy.

Heh

Eid Mubarak Eninn.

^Who are you posting for anymore? Lol.

Yourself?

Is the claim you're trolling for...nobody especially? Most of your posts do not even elicit responses.

Originally posted by Surtur
^Who are you posting for anymore? Lol.

Yourself?

Is the claim you're trolling for...nobody especially? Most of your posts do not even elicit responses.

Triggered

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Triggered

Not triggered, just curious.

Hold on, are you sad enough that you're Eninn? Would be hilarious.

Oh, I'm sad enough, but sadly Ennin is not me, I do admire him greatly though.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Oh, I'm sad enough, but sadly Ennin is not me, I do admire him greatly though.

You are indeed sad, good call.

I'd much rather you be a troll than worship a pedo warlord

Originally posted by Surtur
I'd much rather you be a troll than worship a pedo warlord
Why are you so vocal against Islamic figures and values?

Pedo warlord? So disrespectful and wrong.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married a girl (Aisha) but she was not as young at the time as an ancient tradition suggest: http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

18 wasn't the (magic) age for consent back then.

People differ from each other in learning capacity, biological aspects, personality and when each attains maturity.

Do you think every 18 year old is suddenly mature and able-bodied?

Also, Muslims do not worship Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). You do not even understand what Hajj is about.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why are you so vocal against Islamic figures and values?

Pedo warlord? So disrespectful and wrong.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married a girl (Aisha) but she was not as young at the time as an ancient tradition suggest: http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

18 wasn't the (magic) age for consent back then.

People differ from each other in learning capacity, biological aspects, personality and when each attains maturity.

Do you think every 18 year old is suddenly mature and able-bodied?

Also, Muslims do not worship Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). You do not even understand what Hajj is about. He is an intolerant ignorant blowhard, well said!

The bullshit he spewed wasn't fact.

He was a pedo warlord. They can deny it all they want cuz their religion specifically allows them to lie.

Islam is a shit religion, period. If someone told me I could erase just one religion from the planet I'd choose Islam, though I dislike all religion.

How can you be so intolerant? There's only a few hundred million muslims that are bad, bigot.

Originally posted by Trocity
How can you be so intolerant? There's only a few hundred million muslims that are bad, bigot.

Don't be so hasty! The number of people who wanna murder anyone who isn't a muslim(which is what radicals want) could merely be in the tens of millions. That's not so bad when you think it took like half a million islamists to inflict those thousands of deaths on 9/11.

Lol oh shit it was just like 19 of them? Damn.

Well hey white supremacists commit more acts of terror. Oh shit, islamic terror attacks still resulted in far more casualties? Umm...well, damn.

ملحد يهاجم الصهاينة في حواره مع الداعية هاشم


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtig7lOC3Ec


مفسدة الحفلات! منصور في حوار مع غير مسلمين الجزء الثالث

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSAQTEHUZc


مفسدة الحفلات! منصور في حوار مع غير مسلمين الجزء الرابع

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaXNsiFpMz4

Salam Ennin

"We are all on the same hajj now."

http://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/p/jpteel5t6l94ee5j.jpg

-Pitch Black (2000)

Eid Mubarak Ennin

thank you brother


أوامر الرب - الحمدلله علي نعمة الإسلام

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeNyhzJpkyA

هل تتبعون يسوع أم بولس؟ عدنان رشيد في حوار هادئ مع مسيحيين


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV-l-m_l3RI

1/2 مسلمون يطرحون أسئلة كثيرة على محمد حجاب الجزء الأول

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrUCph8OR80

2/2 مسلمون يطرحون أسئلة كثيرة على محمد حجاب الجزء الثاني

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9SpUoJyA0

حوار بين فتاة أمريكية معجبة بشخصية رسول الله والداعية حمزة ابداع

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLdNL42ycb4



How to Understand Quran if we don't know Arabic as a Language by Dr Zakir Naik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueGAD-H1LDg



Is it Compulsory to Learn Arabic Language to Understand the Quran? - Dr Zakir Naik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8ZEVvhiLQM


زائر يحاول أثناء شاب عن اعتناق الإسلام مع منصور

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KvpCCo8Af8

Eid Mubarak Ennin

Muslims will send you to the god you wish you knew.

Why are the old Egyptian gods ignored? If you are Muslim and the Muslim religion was created after the Egyptian gods? Why do people believe more in Allah if he was just a prophet and not a God?

It seems like a step backwards.

Originally posted by rudester
Why are the old Egyptian gods ignored? If you are Muslim and the Muslim religion was created after the Egyptian gods? Why do people believe more in Allah if he was just a prophet and not a God?

It seems like a step backwards.



Most likely because almost everything you've said here shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what Muslims believe.

Allah is God. Same God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.

Muhammad is the last prophet for Muslims.

But we say all Prophets were Muslim, including Adam (as in the first man), as in pre-dating any Egyptian gods.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Most likely because almost everything you've said here shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what Muslims believe.

Allah is God. Same God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.

Muhammad is the last prophet for Muslims.

But we say all Prophets were Muslim, including Adam (as in the first man), as in pre-dating any Egyptian gods. Although that is the Muslim faith, the Egyptian Pharoahs predated Abraham.

According to this website: https://hbu.edu/museums/dunham-bible-museum/tour-of-the-museum/bible-in-america/bibles-for-a-young-republic/chronological-index-of-the-years-and-times-from-adam-unto-christ/

Abraham was around 3,700 years ago.

The first Pharoah was Narmer, who was born in 3124 B.C.
https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/narmer/m0254fz?hl=en

And unlike your stupid ****ing religion has archaeological evidence.

3124 B.C. is 5146 years ago and goes as far back as your stupid Adam and Eve shite where people lived to be over 100 years old in the stupid Kent Hovind idea of the "golden age" before God got angry and we got weak'err and dumb-err.
https://hbu.edu/museums/dunham-bible-museum/tour-of-the-museum/bible-in-america/bibles-for-a-young-republic/chronological-index-of-the-years-and-times-from-adam-unto-christ/

Suck it.

Old Man Whirly!


thank you

Originally posted by Blakemore
Although that is the Muslim faith, the Egyptian Pharoahs predated Abraham.

According to this website: https://hbu.edu/museums/dunham-bible-museum/tour-of-the-museum/bible-in-america/bibles-for-a-young-republic/chronological-index-of-the-years-and-times-from-adam-unto-christ/

Abraham was around 3,700 years ago.

The first Pharoah was Narmer, who was born in 3124 B.C.
https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/narmer/m0254fz?hl=en

And unlike your stupid ****ing religion has archaeological evidence.

3124 B.C. is 5146 years ago and goes as far back as your stupid Adam and Eve shite where people lived to be over 100 years old in the stupid Kent Hovind idea of the "golden age" before God got angry and we got weak'err and dumb-err.
https://hbu.edu/museums/dunham-bible-museum/tour-of-the-museum/bible-in-america/bibles-for-a-young-republic/chronological-index-of-the-years-and-times-from-adam-unto-christ/

Suck it.


I said Adam predated Eygyption gods, not Abraham. And don't bother quoting me Biblical timelines, given I'm not Christian.

Now since you seem to be a believer in Archaeology and Science, Is the concept of Adam and Eve really that stupid when there's scientific evidence that humans descended from a small group of people:

https://phys.org/news/2007-05-theory-modern-humans-descended-small.html

There was actual another recent study by EVOLUTIONSTS that showed Humanity has come from TWO people, although their explanation was this was after an extinction level event:

https://nypost.com/2018/11/24/turns-out-all-of-humanity-is-related-to-a-single-couple/

Now you can suck it Blakemore Bwahhahahaha

Now fun tidbit (gonna go a bit ennin here) Pharoah is used far more accurately (historically) in the Quran than in the Bible. Because as you pointed out, thanks to Archaeology we know when the first King was named Pharoah in the world and more specifically in Eygpt:

https://quranandbibleblog.com/2019/10/04/the-pharaoh-in-genesis-how-the-quran-and-ahadith-correct-the-bible/ #:~:text=The%20%E2%80%9CPharaoh%E2%80%9D%20King%20
of%20Egypt%20in%20the%20Quran,12%29%2C%20the%20Ara
bic%20word%20%E2%80%9Cfiraun%E2%80%9D%20%28pharaoh
%29%20never%20appears.

Surprising the Quran corrects such a minor detail when retelling Biblical stories. Well not really surprising given it's the unaltered Word of GOD

Are you talking about Lucy, the oldest fossil of a human being, ie, everyone's grandmother?

No, our DNA shows our origins are from very few initial humans, most probably 2. One of those above studies was by evolutionists as well.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No, our DNA shows our origins are from very few initial humans, most probably 2. One of those above studies was by evolutionists as well. "most probably"

It's also odd you claim you're not christian -- I know, but doesn't Islam accept the old testament as fact as well?

So you're saying Adam and Eve existed? Was there a deity that created Adam in his own image out of dust and Eve gave Adam the fruit which is why we should suffer and blame women for everything wrong in the world?

Originally posted by Blakemore
"most probably"


I mean that's what the science indicates.

Originally posted by Blakemore
It's also odd you claim you're not christian -- I know, but doesn't Islam accept the old testament as fact as well?

No, those books don't even claim to be written by GOD. In fact we have no idea who wrote them. Most likely massively changed and corrupted over the centuries. So we take the Quran's take only.


Originally posted by Blakemore
So you're saying Adam and Eve existed? Was there a deity that created Adam in his own image out of dust and Eve gave Adam the fruit which is why we should suffer and blame women for everything wrong in the world?


Muslims don't believe in Original Sin. We're only accountable for ourselves. Not for what Adam and Eve did.

We also don't believe eating the fruit was the worst possible sin or something. It just showed free will on Adam and Eve's part, the willingness to disobey GOD showed they were ready for Earth.

So before we were made out of dust, there was life before Earth... created by God...

Look, you're an intelligent person. You know creationism is bollocks, right?

Originally posted by Blakemore

Look, you're an intelligent person. You know creationism is bollocks, right?


More bollocks than Random Chance?


There's plenty of intellectuals who buy into the Grand Design idea. I believe even Einstein did (although he didn't buy into Religion itself).

Evolution isn't random chance. It says that lives are dependent on each other in an ecosystem.

If you're talking about abiogenesis, I'll refer to Dawkins who says not only can we not determine what the "creator" is, it isn't even worth thinking about.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Evolution isn't random chance. It says that lives are dependent on each other in an ecosystem.



That doesnt explain how life exists. Even 1 cell is enormously complex. More complex than your I-Phone.

The Universe is also in pretty perfect Order.

The complexity can be written down mathematically.

I think it takes a stretch of the imagination to conclude some magical being made everything.

Originally posted by Blakemore
The complexity can be written down mathematically.

Through mutations?

That's a lot of coincidences (like an infinite amount) aligning perfect mathematics.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I think it takes a stretch of the imagination to conclude some magical being made everything.

Not when you realise you being here is a miracle. As is the Sun and the Moon and the Earth.

Again, all can be calculated mathematically.

Your god only exists within the margins of science.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Again, all can be calculated mathematically.



That sounds like a very unrealistic talking point.

Would you believe my phone came about by random chance (because I claimed it was provable mathematically), or would you assume it was designed by an intellect ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Muslims don't believe in Original Sin. We're only accountable for ourselves. Not for what Adam and Eve did.

Yeah, oddly enough if you go down the rabitt hole of Islam it is much more straightforward and less idiotic and convoluted than Christianity.

But it still apparently requires the denial of the facts of reality of our origins, ie evolution.

Hajj Pajj

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yeah, oddly enough if you go down the rabitt hole of Islam it is much more straightforward and less idiotic and convoluted than Christianity.



I wish your pal Sam Harris would acknowledge that !

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That sounds like a very unrealistic talking point.

Would you believe my phone came about by random chance (because I claimed it was provable mathematically), or would you assume it was designed by an intellect ? We know phones were created by humans. You can't say the sun was created by Mr. Tutankhamen because people are going to realise you're full of shit!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I wish your pal Sam Harris would acknowledge that !

He absolutely does. I've heard him say it. What makes you think he doesn't?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That sounds like a very unrealistic talking point.

Would you believe my phone came about by random chance (because I claimed it was provable mathematically), or would you assume it was designed by an intellect ?

Ah, yes. The Watchmaker Analogy. Answer me this: Do watches (or in this case phones) operate the same way biology does? Do watches or phones reproduce and pass on DNA?

The answer is no, so it's a false analogy. A blatantly stupid analogy. But you apologist types don't care how terrible your logic is, you just keep repeating the same fallacies and sucking in the gullible.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Ah, yes. The Watchmaker Analogy. Answer me this: Do watches (or in this case phones) operate the same way biology does? Do watches or phones reproduce and pass on DNA?

The answer is no, so it's a false analogy. A blatantly stupid analogy. But you apologist types don't care how terrible your logic is, you just keep repeating the same fallacies and sucking in the gullible.


They dont for now because theyre not designed to do so. But thats not out of the realm of possibility given how robotics are advancing.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
He absolutely does. I've heard him say it. What makes you think he doesn't?

Ive heard him say is Islam is barbaric hence why Muslims are (or words to that effect). Which is stupid given all the violent stuff in the Bible.

He also laughed off the idea that Muhammad was peaceful (clearly implying he was some warlord). Thats only true if you throw
historical context completely out. So hes generally not very educated or objective on a subject hes clearly obsessed with.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
A blatantly stupid analogy. But you apologist types don't care how terrible your logic is, you just keep repeating the same fallacies and sucking in the gullible.


Also if you are being more intelligent than me on the subject, then surely you can do so without throwing out insults.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
They dont for now because theyre not designed to do so. But thats not out of the realm of possibility given how robotics are advancing.



So you're drawing an analogy on what *may* happen in the future?

And supposing it *does* happen, that's still an evolution of technology that didn't happen over night.

One step lead to another step and another step, etc..

It's not a spontaneous creation.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also if you are being more intelligent than me on the subject, then surely you can do so without throwing out insults.

I insulted nothing other than the logic you presented.

Nice try playing victim.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ive heard him say is Islam is barbaric...

Islam *is* barbaric.

"Only god can create life!" - Joshua Milton Blayhia - An evangelical christian who used to be a heroin addicted warlord of Liberia

Ignoring the fact that modern science can in fact create life through their understanding of science and how things form...

****ing hell guys. There is no god!

Originally posted by Blakemore
"Only god can create life!" - Joshua Milton Blayhia - An evangelical christian who used to be a heroin addicted warlord of Liberia

https://64.media.tumblr.com/4b4707f5f453f8f0cb8d7503a578b344/tumblr_inline_p7mbeiihZc1tocbds_500.gif

https://64.media.tumblr.com/53ad504e07e04ab7e793874790251c4f/tumblr_inline_p7mbekOE1Z1tocbds_500.gif

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I insulted nothing other than the logic you presented.

Nice try playing victim.


I'm not playing victim, I just noted you can't have this debate without throwing insults (i.e. being emotional) which shows my argument triggered you, so you thought you better add in the insults to prop up your own rebuttal.

Like I said, IF your argument was superior, it'd stand out for itself. You certainly wouldn't need to get emotional on your first rebuttal LMAO

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Islam *is* barbaric.


You see IF you and the likes of Sam Harris argued that Evolution is Fact and therefore Religion can only hold back human progression, then you'd have a much better standing. However, you decide to throw out tropes like these instead, making you just seem bigoted.

Y'all should stick to your lane.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech


So you're drawing an analogy on what *may* happen in the future?

And supposing it *does* happen, that's still an evolution of technology that didn't happen over night.

One step lead to another step and another step, etc..

It's not a spontaneous creation.


No because that would be an advancement through ever increasing knowledge leading to superior design.

It wouldn't start happening through random chance.

Important discoveries can be made through random chance, but to act on them and progress with that discovery takes intelligence.

Originally posted by Blakemore


Ignoring the fact that modern science can in fact create life through their understanding of science and how things form...




Modern Science can CREATE Life? That's news to me.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'm not playing victim, I just noted you can't have this debate without throwing insults (i.e. being emotional) which shows my argument triggered you, so you thought you better add in the insults to prop up your own rebuttal.

Like I said, IF your argument was superior, it'd stand out for itself. You certainly wouldn't need to get emotional on your first rebuttal LMAO

Lol, there you go with the unsupported assertion again.

Please point out the ad hominem.

Where did I insult you personally instead of the ideas presented?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Lol, there you go with the unsupported assertion again.

Please point out the ad hominem.

Where did I insult you personally instead of the ideas presented?


Did I claim you insulted me personally ?

Nope. Try to understand my point before responding.


Let me try again:

LET YOUR ARGUMENT OWN MINE


I mean If YOU KNOW you're right, then why be insecure about it, feeling the need on Your Very First Rebuttal to throw in a paragraph insulting "the argument".

And I think we're done here.

You're not making any sense. Just distractions, deflections, strawmen, false analogies, etc..

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
And I think we're done here.

You're not making any sense. Just distractions, deflections, strawmen, false analogies, etc..


You're really not used to anyone pushing back on your anti-GOD/Religion arguments are you ?

Fear not little ones, I am here to restore civility and concord to this debate.

Let us re-dress the question. Does one have to actually research a question to have a valid opinion on it?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Modern Science can CREATE Life? That's news to me. Yes, you can create life.

By that I mean bacteria, not conscience which you probably call life.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/science/synthetic-genome-bacteria.html

Originally posted by Blakemore
Yes, you can create life.

By that I mean bacteria, not conscience which you probably call life.


Interesting. I found the article (Whirlys was asking for subscription) :

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-create-e-coli-bacteria-completely-synthetic-genome-180972214/


Just look at the effort, expertise, complications and sophistication that went into that.

And thats for a very simple organism.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Interesting. I found the article (Whirlys was asking for subscription) :

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-create-e-coli-bacteria-completely-synthetic-genome-180972214/


Just look at the effort, expertise, complications and sophistication that went into that.

And thats for a very simple organism. Yes. Your stretch of the imagination is the idea that another being way more intelligent than those people created all life from the beginning.

The leap of faith, from my perspective, goes as follows.

If another being has to be that intelligent to create life, then what created that being, and then that being, etc. ?

You can call it god all you want, but you're not answering any questions, just raising more.

I think DT here has earned his spot replacing good 'ol Methneo. dur

Tell me, DT. How do you feel about Kent Hovind? dur

popcorn

Originally posted by Blakemore
Yes. Your stretch of the imagination is the idea that another being way more intelligent than those people created all life from the beginning.

The leap of faith, from my perspective, goes as follows.

If another being has to be that intelligent to create life, then what created that being, and then that being, etc. ?

You can call it god all you want, but you're not answering any questions, just raising more.

Well its the first time you asked that question.

That Being is the source of the Universe. Exists outside time and space, in fact created Time and Space, so was never in need of being created.

So it in fact does explain a lot.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Fear not little ones, I am here to restore civility and concord to this debate.

Haha.. that's what's funny. It never got uncivil. I ripped his argument to pieces so he cried, "You're throwing insults therefore I win.."

So it's been nothing but deflections ever since. The KMC reincarnation of Methneo. dur

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I think DT here has earned his spot replacing good 'ol Methneo. dur

Tell me, DT. How do you feel about Kent Hovind? dur


Really putting me on Ethneo level. Knowing very well I debate with logic and am consistent in my reasoning when he was anything but.

Cool story bro. Whatever makes you feel better about spanked today.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Haha.. that's what's funny. It never got uncivil. I ripped his argument to pieces so he cried, "You're throwing insults therefore I win.."

So it's been nothing but deflections ever since. The KMC reincarnation of Methneo. dur


I didnt cry at all. Lmao

Actually you did the Ethneo here throwing a tantrum then refusing to debate.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well its the first time you asked that question.

That Being is the source of the Universe. Exists outside time and space, in fact created Time and Space, so was never in need of being created.

So it in fact does explain a lot. Something that exists outside of reality created reality based upon it not being real?

Well, that is logical... It's also admitting it doesn't exist so why bother?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Really putting me on Ethneo level. Knowing very well I debate with logic and am consistent in my reasoning when he was anything but.

Cool story bro. Whatever makes you feel better about spanked today.

dur

If you think you've got good logic and reasoning then I fear you're even more like Methneo than I first thought...

False analogies, deflections, and playing victim are not good reasoning. I really shouldn't have to point that out.

DT's argument is all of reality was created by something that isn't real.

Sound logic.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Something that exists outside of reality created reality based upon it not being real?

Well, that is logical... It's also admitting it doesn't exist so why bother?

Created OUR Reality.

So Exists without OUR Reality.

Put it this way, do you accept Time has always been there? Or did it need an origin and need a starting point ?

Originally posted by Blakemore
DT's argument is all of reality was created by something that isn't real.

Sound logic.


I never said that at all.

Originally posted by Blakemore
DT's argument is all of reality was created by something that isn't real.

Sound logic.

Right. Gotta love the "God exists outside of space and time" defense.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Created OUR Reality.

So Exists without OUR Reality.

Put it this way, do you accept Time has always been there? Or did it need an origin and need a starting point ?




I never said that at all. There is nothing to determine whether time had an origin or not.

There is nothing to determine where we came from. That's why the James Webb telescope was invented to find out more information.

We don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to make up some supernatural bullshit to manipulate others like Hovind did.

Well, it might be a good way to make a bit of money before the taxman starts asking questions...

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
dur

If you think you've got good logic and reasoning then I fear you're even more like Methneo than I first thought...

False analogies, deflections, and playing victim are not good reasoning. I really shouldn't have to point that out.


No Youre claiming ive made false analogies, deflections and played victim without proving any of those things.

Look fact is you completely unnecessarily threw a fit (after only a couple of paragraphs of debating) and then refused to carry on.

That doesnt strike me as person with even a slightly open mind on the topic or someone secure in their argument.