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Odin
Thor
Beta Ray Bill
Red Norvell
Thunderstrike
Loki
Heimdall
Tyr
Sif
Warriors Three

vs

P5 Namor
P5 Emma
Magneto
X-man
Professor X
Iceman
Northstar
Aurora
Wolverine
Vulcan

Odin

Odin beats 2/5 of the PF and all these mutants alone?

^Yes .

TBH I think the Mutants win.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Odin beats 2/5 of the PF and all these mutants alone?
He beats the p5 and this team

He can do everything they can do, but better

Asgard. Odin is too much for the Emma and Namor. Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Loki and Norvell are just going to plow through the rest of the mutants.

Thor plows through Emma

^Despite what the AvX comic itself showed ?

Odin solos.

Odin solos. There should have be more omega level mutants on the list. WTF is Wolverine gonna do besides get in the way? Add Franklin Richards to the list and things would get interesting.

lol at Odin soloing this team. That's preposterous.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Odin solos. There should have be more omega level mutants on the list. WTF is Wolverine gonna do besides get in the way? Add Franklin Richards to the list and things would get interesting.

WTF? if u added franklin to the list, you would have to add gaea, zeus, and every other skyfather and elder god in marvel earth and even then the gods have no chance.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Despite what the AvX comic itself showed ?

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joke=missed

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Odin solos. There should have be more omega level mutants on the list. WTF is Wolverine gonna do besides get in the way? Add Franklin Richards to the list and things would get interesting.

Franklin would solo both teams at once.

how many asgardians can xavier and nate take out with their tp?

None if Odin is there

Odin massacres.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
lol at Odin soloing this team. That's preposterous.
How does he NOT solo? Putting Odin in the Asgardian roster is the definition of spite against the mutant team.

There are perhaps three mutants who would even be blips on Odin's radar. A lower end and weakened Odin could one shot virtually all of them. Anything above that makes this spite.

Professor X says "Sleep" leaving Odin and Loki to fight alone while the rest of the Asgardians are unconscious.

Odin solos while Loki does whatever.

If one put put True Legion(the incarnation that stuffed 99% of the universe in a box killed those Limbo Elder Gods) in this thread, then the matchup becomes interesting imo. I'd like to see how he matches up against Marvel's top skyfather.

Legion has to be above Skyfather, for doing what he did to the Elder Gods, and the Universe.

^Apart from narrative hyperbole, those Elder Gods didn't really have many uber feats iirc.

The universe-stuffing-in-a-box feat is the only feat which one could use to argue Legion being above skyfathers imo.

Owning Magik's Elder Gods while great, doesn't in itself put him above Odin.

And stuffing the Universe in a box while high end, isn't above Odin's best either. Just this week as he returned from exile, he casually negated/contained/channeled all the power Surtur had amassed returning himself to his former glory. Enough power to destroy the Multiverse and all that jazz.

Not to mention, a weapon Odin has enchanted had the power to create a pocket dimension/Universe as well.

^Where was it stated or implied that Surtur's accumulated power was enough to destroy all of the multiverse? Iirc, it was only supposed to "burn" the Nine Realms. If not, I'll be glad to be corrected.

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He was going to channel the power he had accumulated through Otherworld into the rest of the Multiverse, burning all of creation. Surtur describes his plan as well in the previous issue but I do not have the scans.

Ah, but he needed to use Otherworld as a conduit of sorts to cause that sort of destruction. That's the skyfather scaled-up equivalent of Hulk laying waste to countless worlds while within an Interdimensional Nexus.

It's still pretty decent.

The plot hole being that Asgardian Space can withstand that energy however...

Never said it wasn't.

Asgardian space is pretty tough, I guess....

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Ah, but he needed to use Otherworld as a conduit of sorts to cause that sort of destruction. That's the skyfather scaled-up equivalent of Hulk laying waste to countless worlds while within an Interdimensional Nexus.

Yes, but he still possessed enough energy to reduce the Multiverse to a cinder, he simply needed a link/conduit to get to it. A distinction, but ultimately not one relevant here as Odin still dealt with all of that energy in it's totality casually.

Besides, you didn't even recall him being a threat to the Multiverse.

Without Otherworld being used as a conduit, it was stated as being an unmaking universal fire.

That's because I stopped purchasing Fraction's Thor series after #6. Whatever rudimentary knowledge I had about the series was from a couple of spoilers here and there on CBR and Guy's scans on Character Ownage.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Without Otherworld being used as a conduit, it was stated as being an unmaking universal fire.

Otherworld was a conduit for the power he had amassed through his city. The Multiverse burning away? It would have been the energy he had stored.

Loki describing it as an un-making Universal fire doesn't mean that it can do no better than destroy a Universe in regards to power. In literally the next few panels he points out how Surtur would destroy the Multiverse. The word creation was used in another scene, Surtur also pointed out that he had amassed enough power to destroy the Multiverse. Could it do so on it's own? No, his fire would just burn everything in this Universe away and have nowhere to go, but Otherworld provided room for his flame to expand and it would until nothing was left. This is a distinction worth noting but when it comes to Odin, he negated all that energy in it's totality.

Galactus would have just punched the fire in the dick.

Also, Merlin's overratedness rear its ugly head once again.

Another random thought, but the Shadow of the Twilight destroying the Twilight was ass ramming stupid.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Otherworld was a conduit for the power he had amassed through his city. The Multiverse burning away? It would have been the energy he had stored.

Loki describing it as an un-making Universal fire doesn't mean that it can do no better than destroy a Universe in regards to power. In literally the next few panels he points out how Surtur would destroy the Multiverse. The word creation was used in another scene, Surtur also pointed out that he had amassed enough power to destroy the Multiverse. Could it do so on it's own? No, his fire would just burn everything in this Universe away and have nowhere to go, but Otherworld provided room for his flame to expand and it would until nothing was left. This is a distinction worth noting but when it comes to Odin, he negated all that energy in it's totality.

I'm not so sure. Surtur seems to indicate that Otherworld doesn't merely channel the fire into the other universes but somehow amplifies it.

Here is what he says in Thor #20. "Otherworld is the home of all magic. It connects with all other realms. To strike a match there would make all realities a pyre, all universes kindling."

I'll download the issue when I get home and read it as #21 doesn't leave much room for interpretation.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Owning Magik's Elder Gods while great, doesn't in itself put him above Odin.

And stuffing the Universe in a box while high end, isn't above Odin's best either. Just this week as he returned from exile, he casually negated/contained/channeled all the power Surtur had amassed returning himself to his former glory. Enough power to destroy the Multiverse and all that jazz.

Not to mention, a weapon Odin has enchanted had the power to create a pocket dimension/Universe as well.


Channeling someone's energy isn't a feat. Odin depends on help (channeling someone else's energy) and can't destroy a multiverse under his own power.

Pocket dimension = crap compared to boxing the REAL universe

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, but he still possessed enough energy to reduce the Multiverse to a cinder, he simply needed a link/conduit to get to it. A distinction, but ultimately not one relevant here as Odin still dealt with all of that energy in it's totality casually.

Besides, you didn't even recall him being a threat to the Multiverse.

Thanos channeled HOTU within him, many characters can channel energy already present. Not a feat

Originally posted by h1a8
Channeling someone's energy isn't a feat. Odin depends on help (channeling someone else's energy) and can't destroy a multiverse under his own power.

Pocket dimension = crap compared to boxing the REAL universe
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos channeled HOTU within him, many characters can channel energy already present. Not a feat

Negating (That's how it was described in the next issue*) the amount of energy that Surtur had is a feat and an impressive one at that.

I mean, it's not as if the character's in that issue were clearly in fatal peril (Along with the rest of the Universe), were desperate for aid and knew only Odin could accomplish what needed to be done.

Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. I'm sure you still think that means it isn't impressive and many could accomplish it despite the comic telling you otherwise.

*http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=14040&pg=3

I don't even begin to understand how you think that Thanos example applies here.

Odin negating that kind of destructive energy is a feat worthy of his "classic" self.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Otherworld was a conduit for the power he had amassed through his city. The Multiverse burning away? It would have been the energy he had stored.

Loki describing it as an un-making Universal fire doesn't mean that it can do no better than destroy a Universe in regards to power. In literally the next few panels he points out how Surtur would destroy the Multiverse. The word creation was used in another scene, Surtur also pointed out that he had amassed enough power to destroy the Multiverse. Could it do so on it's own? No, his fire would just burn everything in this Universe away and have nowhere to go, but Otherworld provided room for his flame to expand and it would until nothing was left. This is a distinction worth noting but when it comes to Odin, he negated all that energy in it's totality.
OK. Never tried to take away from the feat, I was just noting down the distinct role that Otherworld and Manchester Gods played in Surtur's scheme. Thanks for the scans as well.

The only "feat " that the elder gods had was that Dormmamu, Hela, Satannish, Blackheart and Mephisto were scared of them.

Pretty sure they were uber though to have that group react the way they did.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Apart from narrative hyperbole, those Elder Gods didn't really have many uber feats iirc.

The universe-stuffing-in-a-box feat is the only feat which one could use to argue Legion being above skyfathers imo.
I find the manner in which he went about to obliterate the elder gods just as impressive, you know making use of his massive reality warping to defeat his opponent.

We don't see skyfathers do so, regardless if its due to lack of measure in power, or outside its authority.

Originally posted by nwg202
The only "feat " that the elder gods had was that Dormmamu, Hela, Satannish, Blackheart and Mephisto were scared of them.

Pretty sure they were uber though to have that group react the way they did. heh I didn't know know about this

They where far beyond the X-Men to deal with, and their presence alone did irreparable damage to reality upon release from Limbo.

Originally posted by "Id"
heh I didn't know know about this

They where far beyond the X-Men to deal with, and their presence alone did irreparable damage to reality upon release from Limbo.

Witchfire shows the group Magik's bloodstones.

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A far larger and more powerful contingent of Hell Lords were obviously very worried at the coming of the Serpent. And Mephisto with the crown of the Serpent (Forged from Loki's fear and a small fraction of the Serpent's fear power) would have gained enough power to stomp all opposing Hell Lords, take the throne of Satan, and bring hell not just to Earth but everywhere.

Gillen showed everyone from Cytorrak to Shuma-Gorath etc. as demonic Hell Lords in #627.

@nwg202: How is expressing surprise at the fact that Witchfire wielded the Bloodstones somehow indicative that they were deathly afraid of a force that was apparently inferior to Legion?

@"Id": The Bloodtones appeared to the be the main focus in Illyana's war on the Elder Deities. Hell, iirc she almost spent the first half of the 3rd New Mutant Series searching for them. After killing the gods, Legion dissolved the Beatrice amulet and returned the stones to her:
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@Rage: Wasn't Mephisto's focus on the Fear Lords?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@nwg202: How is expressing surprise at the fact that Witchfire wielded the Bloodstones somehow indicative that they were deathly afraid of a force that was apparently inferior to Legion?

@"Id": The Bloodtones appeared to the be the main focus in Illyana's war on the Elder Deities. Hell, iirc she almost spent the first half of the 3rd New Mutant Series searching for them. After killing the gods, Legion dissolved the Beatrice amulet and returned the stones to her:
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@Rage: Wasn't Mephisto's focus on the Fear Lords?

Well I was trying to look at it logically.

Belasco was their peer, he had a seat that table. Witchfire his daughter certainly didn't look intimidated of being in their presence. She even demanded them to stay away from Limbo and that she inherit her dad's seat along side them.

The way she spoke of the elder gods gave you the impression the medalion was some sort of super weapon beyond the level of power that current group had. It wasn't just plain surprise on their faces. They knew that medalion contained power. Witchfire even says it out loud. "Power that you, my colleagues do indeed recognize." She also addressed them as peers....

Legion just blinked them out of existence without much effort.

Magik normally won't back down from anyone especially in Limbo. She wouldn't back down from anyone in that group. A weaker Magik already talked to them like peers as well during the Archenemy saga. They listened to the being called magik. They followed her into battle. She usually faces opponents like doc strange, demon Colossus, amora, etc.. with a smile on her face.

She didn't even bother challenging the elder gods, she knew that only legion could stop them. The soul sword wouldn't cut it vs the elder gods. It would harm the people at that table.

The elder gods were also the masters of Belasco.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A far larger and more powerful contingent of Hell Lords were obviously very worried at the coming of the Serpent. And Mephisto with the crown of the Serpent (Forged from Loki's fear and a small fraction of the Serpent's fear power) would have gained enough power to stomp all opposing Hell Lords, take the throne of Satan, and bring hell not just to Earth but everywhere.

Gillen showed everyone from Cytorrak to Shuma-Gorath etc. as demonic Hell Lords in #627.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@Rage: Wasn't Mephisto's focus on the Fear Lords?

The Fear Lords would have bent over for him but it was specifically said that he'd take the throne of Hell and wreck all the other Hell Lords who stood in his way after.

And as we saw in the previous JiM, he considers a lot of powerful and potent demons Hell Lords vying for control of the throne.

Odin solos

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Fear Lords would have bent over for him but it was specifically said that he'd take the throne of Hell and wreck all the other Hell Lords who stood in his way after.

And as we saw in the previous JiM, he considers a lot of powerful and potent demons Hell Lords vying for control of the throne. When you look at it in the way that Mephisto is already one of the most powerful among them... and give him any sort of boost in power...

Meh, either way you look at it, Dormammu being scared of anyone is retarded as shit.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
When you look at it in the way that Mephisto is already one of the most powerful among them... and give him any sort of boost in power...

Meh, either way you look at it, Dormammu being scared of anyone is retarded as shit.

Yes, Mephisto is one of the most powerful among them but it was made abundantly clear that no one would make any sort of play for the throne of Satan because the other Hell Lords (There were like hundreds of them, all of the demonic entities seen from Marvel at different points shoe-horned in) would f*ck them up for making a go at it.

There was like almost a dozen Hell Lords on Mephisto's level there from what I remember but with the crown -continuously amping his power- him succeeding was a certainty and that implies an immense and overwhelming boost. We all know at least half the arrogant assholes there wouldn't bow to Mephisto's rule and it was stated that any who dared oppose him would be destroyed.

Not to mention Mephisto told Nightmare earlier that taking on the Serpent in combat was not only stupid but suicidal.

Anyways, it's pretty clear that the Serpent would pretty much f*ck stomp any Hell Lord be they Mephisto, Dormammu, Cytorrak or whatever. Doesn't help that he feeds on fear, terror and such with no apparent upper limit.

My main point from all of this was that while getting the attention of 7 Hell Lords while is commendable for the "Elder Gods", it doesn't in itself put one above someone like Odin.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Anyways, it's pretty clear that the Serpent would pretty much f*ck stomp any Hell Lord be they Mephisto, Dormammu, Cytorrak or whatever. Doesn't help that he feeds on fear, terror and such with no apparent upper limit. ermm

Wasn't the Crown gonna be used to take control of the 7 Fear Lords? Didn't the Crown wind up failing anyway? I don't see how 7 weaksauce Fear Lord thralls would make for some sort of unbeatable army.

Gillen you let me down.

^Don't remember crown failing. Not the Fear Lords but the power of terror the crown would feed to Mephisto.

To summarize: Mephisto gets crown, Fear Lords bend over backwards because the portion of power Mephisto gives them from the crown would be more than sufficient. Mephisto stomps any uppity Hell Lords, takes over Satan's throne, unites Hell, and unleashes it everywhere.

JiM last issue was freaking great, you're completely whack.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
ermm

Which part do you disagree with? Based on how the Hell Lords indirectly stack up to the Serpents power, they should get wrecked in a stand off with him imho. Like you said, Mephisto is among one of the most powerful and he considers it suicidal. The implication of that issue if nothing else is that he's way too much for anyone of them take on solo.

Didn't say it made the most sense, Mephisto in his realm (Excluding his lower showings), Dormammu etc. should be around Odin level and Odin -geared out with Ragnarok and armor which would give him the win over them but still- sealed the Serpent easy enough after wiping the planet that came before Earth clean of life (Might be an explanation that the Serpent was weakened cause of this).

There might be a possibility that the serpent was stronger than when he first faced Odin. When he knew Odin was coming for him, he sealed his worthy, pissed his pants, then got owned. When he came in FI he seemed more confident saying he could "slaughter Odin". Not much more than talk without the feats to prove it though unfortunately.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Which part do you disagree with? Based on how the Hell Lords indirectly stack up to the Serpents power, they should get wrecked in a stand off with him imho. Like you said, Mephisto is among one of the most powerful and he considers it suicidal. The implication of that issue if nothing else is that he's too much for anyone of them take on solo.

Didn't say it made the most sense, Mephisto in his realm (Excluding his lower showings), Dormammu etc. should be around Odin level and Odin -geared out with Ragnarok and armor which would give him the win over any of them but still- sealed the Serpent easy enough after wiping the planet that came before Earth clean of life (Might be an explanation that the Serpent was weakened cause of this). Mostly him just utterly stomping them. And him beating Dormammu at all for that matter.

That's what I took it as, solo. As in, the Hell Lords weren't all gathered in hell like they were previously. Had Mephisto usurped the throne, there wouldn't have been an entire army gathered at that precise time to challenge him, nor would there have been anyone really more powerful than him with any boost to directly challenge him.
Save possibly Dormammu, but he's really not "into it" as much as every other demon.

It doesn't make sense.

Dormammu is Odin level though, and he's certainly more powerful than Odin before he merged with his brothers to form the Odin Force... who easily smashed the Serpent.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Mostly him just utterly stomping them. And him beating Dormammu at all for that matter.

That's what I took it as, solo. As in, the Hell Lords weren't all gathered in hell like they were previously. Had Mephisto usurped the throne, there wouldn't have been an entire army gathered at that precise time to challenge him, nor would there have been anyone really more powerful than him with any boost to directly challenge him.
Save possibly Dormammu, but he's really not "into it" as much as every other demon.

It doesn't make sense.

Dormammu is Odin level though, and he's certainly more powerful than Odin before he merged with his brothers to form the Odin Force... who easily smashed the Serpent.

Disagree if you want, I think the implications were quite clear that the Serpent is above Hell Lords. At least a good deal above someone like Mephisto who was presented as a peer to those assembled from what I remember.

Fair enough I guess, but the way the scene was presented wasn't implying some sly take over. Once he'd amassed enough power, he'd come and beat up whoever stood in his way. And the throne of Satan from what I remember wasn't implied to boost your power, it's symbolic. Mephisto would have to keep all the other Hell Lords in line which like I said implies immense and overwhelming power.

Wasn't Odin already an old man (Way after the supposed merger) with his brothers nowhere to be seen by the time he beat the Serpent? If that origin even counts in Fraction's continuity which I seriously doubt it does. Odin's older brothers were his younger brothers, Bor's death not at Loki's hands etc. a bunch of stuff didn't fit into continuity. Fraction and Gillen tried to explain this with in story retcon explanations. Gods have stories not histories or something of that sort, emphasized by Loki literally retconning the Serpent's history for a weakness by using the Shadow of Twilight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
sealed the Serpent easy enough after wiping the planet that came before Earth clean of life (Might be an explanation that the Serpent was weakened cause of this).

It is. The "fear stuff" only has power while said being exists. If Odin were to wipe out all life of earth much of the Serpent's fear energy should dissipate.

Possible, makes sense but not a definite conclusion.

Nah, that's why Young Loki "dies" at the end of the series. The crown that Meshpito has was derived from Loki's fear stuff. So Young Loki "sacrifices" himself so the crown becomes powerless.

But the crown was forged directly from Loki's thoughts and dreams. That's a bit different, especially since it doesn't necessarily act like the Serpent does, it was forged from the left overs of his fear stuff.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong (Only read Fear Itself once unlike other Thor events and I don't have scans on hand), but didn't the Serpent plan on destroying/burning the Earth and moving on through out the Nine Worlds over taking control of Asgard?

Yes, he needed to cause terror, fear, panic, hate to replenish his strength/regain his youth (Hence the Worthy) but once reaching a certain level of power, it didn't seem like he'd be depowered after wiping out a few humans etc. He's like a fear Vampire, he can feed to regain himself after being sealed for billions of years at the cost of his soul (A sacrifice for choosing the old ways of the Gods instead of moving on like Odin) but it didn't seem like he'd crumple after wiping out the stock. At least for so long that it wasn't ever brought up.

Killing the infected is to stop his power from spreading not to depower him, it's like a corrupt, growing cancer that can infect even through the collective subconscious psyche of everything. That's why Odin had to kill everything, burn his temples and retcon him from history. As a matter of fact, at no point was it even hinted that killing his followers would weaken his existing power as far as I recall. It would however cut him off from a replenishing supply that would only grow; a distinction worth noting.

Anyways, all open to interpretation cause of the vague circumstantial shit. Fraction kind of sucks.

It seems to me that the Serpent sorta created the fear stuff out of others fears (thoughts) so it should act like the crown.

However, thinking about it some more, you're right; it likely wouldn't have weakened the Serpent only prevented him from getting any more. Merely killing someone does not destroy the fear stuff rather they have to no longer exist. For example, we see Nightmare harvesting fear stuff from people and in the process kill them yet the fear continues to exist. In the case of Young Loki he sorta ceases to be so the crown becomes powerless.

As for the Serpent's final goal, I don't know. I didn't read Fear Itself and only read JiM.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
WTF? if u added franklin to the list, you would have to add gaea, zeus, and every other skyfather and elder god in marvel earth and even then the gods have no chance.

Very true.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Disagree if you want, I think the implications were quite clear that the Serpent is above Hell Lords. At least a good deal above someone like Mephisto who was presented as a peer to those assembled from what I remember.

Fair enough I guess, but the way the scene was presented wasn't implying some sly take over. Once he'd amassed enough power, he'd come and beat up whoever stood in his way. And the throne of Satan from what I remember wasn't implied to boost your power, it's symbolic. Mephisto would have to keep all the other Hell Lords in line which like I said implies immense and overwhelming power.

Wasn't Odin already an old man (Way after the supposed merger) with his brothers nowhere to be seen by the time he beat the Serpent? If that origin even counts in Fraction's continuity which I seriously doubt it does. Odin's older brothers were his younger brothers, Bor's death not at Loki's hands etc. a bunch of stuff didn't fit into continuity. Fraction and Gillen tried to explain this with in story retcon explanations. Gods have stories not histories or something of that sort, emphasized by Loki literally retconning the Serpent's history for a weakness by using the Shadow of Twilight.
Of the normal Hell Lords, I could see Serpent being a little above them.
But then they had creatures like Shuma Gorath, Chthon and other way over the God damned line over Mephisto, and you realize it really was just a gathering of "Hell" Lords wondering about the fate of their possible servents in the future.

Really, it said Mephisto would destroy any who opposed him, however it's stupid to believe he could beat all of them at once. Plus he already had some at his side.
And some of the beings there really had no connection to hell, and were only there wondering about Odin killing all life and the Serpent, so I don't see it too hard to believe if we cut them out.
As well as Dormammu being trapped at the time (well, when the Serpent was around anyway), who is likely the mightiest of the real hell lords.

So Odin's brothers just died in the battle of canon fodder with nothing stated about them, you know, dying? They also merged during that battle, with you know, nothing stated on the matter.
Also, where was it stated that Odin had Ragnarok, which you implied earlier? His sword looked exactly the same as his brother's?
Why did it just become questioned when you're the one who brought up the comic as a supposed good feat for the Serpent?