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They're both blood-lusted and aiming to kill. They fight in the Baxter building.

Lord Rand

Bloodlust doesn't necessarily make Danny a better fighter. Going with nighter for now

Isn't Midnighter bloodlusted by default?

Midnighter wins.

You sure about that?

Iron Fist taking out a Helicarrier

http://i.imgur.com/V5cvX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DRQgS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VR6d3.jpg

He's also no slouch in the speed department.

High end not average but Danny is stronger, I still give nod to mn

IF wins.

Originally posted by carver9
IF wins.

Why, im genuinely interested in your argument

Aoe attacks mixed with distractions to throw midnighter off

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Why, im genuinely interested in your argument

Fts. He's faster, more durable, a better fight, hits harder. He is better than Midnighter in every way possible.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Aoe attacks mixed with distractions to throw midnighter off

You don't think he will calculate that scenario

How does precog help against aoe?

Midnighter may be one of the few looking forward to being Fisted by the almighty Lord Rand.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Bloodlust doesn't necessarily make Danny a better fighter. Going with nighter for now Yes it does.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Midnighter may be one of the few looking forward to being Fisted by the almighty Lord Rand.

Dammit you won the race of making the joke first.

Midnighter gets fisted.....



...Midnighter wins

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You don't think he will calculate that scenario

Of course he will.

"I've calculated over 150 million scenarios, and I hope to god he doesn't use AOE.. Or try and hit me."

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Midnighter may be one of the few looking forward to being Fisted by the almighty Lord Rand.


Midnighter wins by losing.

Here's the thing about MNer vs. threads, that's hard to really wrap one's mind around: If there is any way for him to win, he does.

There's a few people here with whom discussion is impossible concerning IF. For anyone else, if you think it's a good fight that could go either way, you're answering the question for yourself. There's almost no such thing as anything but 0/10 or 10/10 with MNer.

Originally posted by Digi


There's a few people here with whom discussion is impossible concerning IF. I hate those people.

IF 10/10

Rand wins

Originally posted by Digi
Here's the thing about MNer vs. threads, that's hard to really wrap one's mind around: If there is any way for him to win, he does.


Unless he is fighting Nemesis, or Zealot, or Grifter, or Hawksmoor... or anyone who isn't a featless jobber.

Didn't Grifter just beat him?

Exactly the rand wankage is getting tiresome

This is one of the few threads Iron Fist would actually win. He's faster and more skilled than Midnighter and can one shot him... case closed.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Exactly the rand wankage is getting tiresome Show me a thread Rand was said to win but he doesn't.

You can't.

Shut it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Exactly the rand wankage is getting tiresome How is it wanking when he does in fact win here?

Arguably, there's nothing he has on MN with the exception of chi. And his strength edge isn't great enough to have him at a significant disadvantage.

I was referring to the rand wins because he's rand arguments that are just as annoying as the doom cliches

Not saying that the Midnighter wins but didn't he fight Apollo once? Was that a not serious Apollo or was that jobbing on Midnighter's part?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Arguably, there's nothing he has on MN with the exception of chi. And his strength edge isn't great enough to have him at a significant disadvantage.

I was referring to the rand wins because he's rand arguments that are just as annoying as the doom cliches Chi amping plus master martial artist = Rand beats the shit out of MN

Originally posted by iceman24567
Chi amping plus master martial artist = Rand beats the shit out of MN The shit out of him sin, the shit.

Originally posted by Mindset
I hate those people.

IF 10/10

Originally posted by iceman24567
Chi amping plus master martial artist = Rand beats the shit out of MN

Gtfoh that lame ass argument could be used with MN predicting outcomes

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Arguably, there's nothing he has on MN with the exception of chi. And his strength edge isn't great enough to have him at a significant disadvantage.

I was referring to the rand wins because he's rand arguments that are just as annoying as the doom cliches

But Srank thinks Rand wins.

Maybe this isn't the best example to use against "the church of Rand".

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gtfoh that lame ass argument could be used with MN predicting outcomes

Midnighter's battle computer has never given him a significant advantage over anyone of merit. Zealot was beating him in melee combat until Maul interfered, and Zealot and Nemesis together have been unable to land a single blow on a character with Batgirl style body language reading.

Midnighter can't fight Iron Fist without getting tagged, and he can't get tagged without going down.

Midnighter was stalemating Zealot for hours. Even the guy who wrote the book was saying it was close.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Midnighter was stalemating Zealot for hours. Even the guy who wrote the book was saying it was close.

He should have made sure that's what the artist drew, because the panels that were turned in and subsequently published had Zealot holding the advantage in unarmed and armed combat.

Got the scans, because it looked pretty close to me. Even your archnemesis (ODG) agrees as such.

ODG jerks Midnighter off harder than Apollo does.

I never said it wasn't close, I said he didn't have the advantage... which he didn't. facepalm

Zealot had the advantage, but it was close because MN was smart and kept working her limbs, keeping her at bay. He still took the worst of it.

It could have gone either way down the line, which is what the writer intended it to be.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The shit out of him sin, the shit. Mids likes that after enima feeling . Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gtfoh that lame ass argument could be used with MN predicting outcomes
Not really considering Danny is a better fighter and packs a much greater punch. If its a slobber knocker fight Mids gets his skull smashed like a pumpkin

Originally posted by Golgo13
It could have gone either way down the line, which is what the writer intended it to be.

No. Zealot was going to win.

Comics are a collaborative effort, and at the end of the day what the writer intended doesn't mean shit, if that's not what the artists turns in. Look at the script for Cap vs Wolverine AvX.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It could have gone either way down the line, which is what the writer intended it to be. Rand would choke the shit out of Zealot as well.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No. Zealot was going to win.

Comics are a collaborative effort, and at the end of the day what the writer intended doesn't mean shit, if that's not what the artists turns in. Look at the script for Cap vs Wolverine AvX.

I'd need to see it again, but if you have the scans, please post them.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Rand would choke the shit out of Zealot as well.

Not with the blades. She'd cut through his chi attacks like butter.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Not with the blades. She'd cut through his chi attacks like butter. He would take the blades out her hand and spank her with them.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Not with the blades. She'd cut through his chi attacks like butter.



What kind of sword does she use again? I remember her claiming once, she wasn't using the type of sword that could cut Majestros, and that Nemesis had those.

Even if she uses one of those super swords, that doesn't mean Rand can't simply dodge them, like MN did.

I think she used those blades before. I get Nemesis mixed up with Z, but if he throws those types of chi attacks around, she can possible cut through them.

She uses Kherubim blade sharp enough to "shave electrons."

Wasn't she the one who shaved Captain ATOM?

Iron Fist is too durable:
http://i48.tinypic.com/2csauys.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2nlwkdf.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/9i9q4p.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/33o5pfn.jpg

And way too strong for this thread:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/AVX-Zone-008.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/xdbcsg.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Iron Fist is too durable:
http://i48.tinypic.com/2csauys.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2nlwkdf.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/9i9q4p.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/33o5pfn.jpg

And way too strong for this thread:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/AVX-Zone-008.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/xdbcsg.jpg


Those scans don't support your arguments. The defenders made x factor look like scrubs in that book and he snuck namor

Originally posted by cdtm
What kind of sword does she use again? I remember her claiming once, she wasn't using the type of sword that could cut Majestros, and that Nemesis had those.

Even if she uses one of those super swords, that doesn't mean Rand can't simply dodge them, like MN did.

I remember that Zealot's blade was sharp enough to pierce Mr. Majestic's skin. (He pricked his thumb on it.)

http://i.imgur.com/ztWFJ.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Iron Fist is too durable:
http://i48.tinypic.com/2csauys.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2nlwkdf.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/9i9q4p.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/33o5pfn.jpg

And way too strong for this thread:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/AVX-Zone-008.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/xdbcsg.jpg

Nate Grey? What are you doing there?

Anyway, that was PF Namor that Daniel punched right? No idea who that Prester guy in the second strength scan is.

Originally posted by Falcon Man
I remember that Zealot's blade was sharp enough to pierce Mr. Majestic's skin. (He pricked his thumb on it.)

http://i.imgur.com/ztWFJ.jpg



Nate Grey? What are you doing there?

Anyway, that was PF Namor that Daniel punched right? No idea who that Prester guy in the second strength scan is.

That's not Prester he's punching, but Nuul, the entity that possessed the Hulk during Fear ITself.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Those scans don't support your arguments. The defenders made x factor look like scrubs in that book and he snuck namor Because they ARE scrubs compared to the Defenders.

He dropped Namor with a sneak attack, yes... while Namor had 1/5 of the Phoenix's power.

He also punched through Nuul into his heart, but whatever, that's not impressive at all. Midnighter has shit loads of feats on that level... punching through a being on WWH's level and all.

Originally posted by Falcon Man
I remember that Zealot's blade was sharp enough to pierce Mr. Majestic's skin. (He pricked his thumb on it.)

http://i.imgur.com/ztWFJ.jpg



That's not Zealots, though.

There's only two Creation Engine swords in existence, and I know Nemesis had both of them when they were fighting uber Tao. Kusar swords aren't Creation Engine swords, but as your scan proves, they can still cut through just about anything.

But does she use a Kusar? Or something else? I can't find any information about it online.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She uses Kherubim blade sharp enough to "shave electrons."

So a Kusar, it sounds like.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's not Zealots, though.

There's only two Creation Engine swords in existence, and I know Nemesis had both of them when they were fighting uber Tao. Kusar swords aren't Creation Engine swords, but as your scan proves, they can still cut through just about anything.

But does she use a Kusar? Or something else? I can't find any information about it online.

How is IF defense against sharp objects? Z is pretty fast herself.

Originally posted by Golgo13
How is IF defense against sharp objects? Z is pretty fast herself.

Does Midnighter use swords?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does Midnighter use swords?

I said Z. Midnighter has taken blows from strong beings as well.

Originally posted by Golgo13
How is IF defense against sharp objects? Z is pretty fast herself.

If she's using a sword that can cleave electrons off atoms, it doesn't much matter. He'd need to avoid getting cut by those at all costs.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does Midnighter use swords?

He uses knives.

Not sure if he ever used a sword. Not like it would help him at this point.

Originally posted by Golgo13
How is IF defense against sharp objects? Z is pretty fast herself.
http://imageshack.us/f/156/grsp30coyy7.jpg/

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://imageshack.us/f/156/grsp30coyy7.jpg/

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/thumbup.gif

Would you consider that as impressive as dodging bullets?

Flechettes fired from needleguns should have around bullet velocity at close range.. The entire point of the firearm is the high rate of fire and reduced recoil

Originally posted by cdtm
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/thumbup.gif

Would you consider that as impressive as dodging bullets?

Flechettes fired from needleguns should have around bullet velocity at close range.. The entire point of the firearm is the high rate of fire and reduced recoil I'd say that's quite a bit higher. Seeing as flechettes don't just get fired one by one (especially not that one), and he's not just dodging them, he's knocking them out of the way.

IF easily.

Midnighter has no answer to an AoE chi blast.

What aoe attack does he have that can't be countered

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What aoe attack does he have that can't be countered

o_o And how does MN counter an AOE chi attack?

He's not Goku.

Originally posted by cdtm
o_o And how does MN counter an AOE chi attack?

He's not Goku. By farting his loose butthole should do the trick

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What aoe attack does he have that can't be countered el oh ol

Originally posted by cdtm
o_o And how does MN counter an AOE chi attack?

He's not Goku.

'Door'

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'Door' Bfr.

But he can return anytime he wants, I thought BFR was only if he couldn't get back?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he can return anytime he wants, I thought BFR was only if he couldn't get back?

No, it's also if someone leaves.

Stops someone from just traveling through time to when they're an infant or something.

You thought wrong.

Ah. So he could open a door under Danny...

Originally posted by Mindset
You thought wrong.

Won't be the first or the last time.

and get punched in the face.

Yes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah. So he could open a door under Danny...

Has it ever been used that way before?

And does someone else need to do it?

Sounds like a sketchy tactic either way.. Even when an Op says a character can bring in tech they'd normally have access to outside of their solo comics,, it's not like Batman could just have Martian Manhunter fire off the Leagues laser, or use the League teleporter for a BFR.

Originally posted by cdtm
Has it ever been used that way before?

And does someone else need to do it?

Sounds like a sketchy tactic either way.. Even when an Op says a character can bring in tech they'd normally have access to outside of their solo comics,, it's not like Batman could just have Martian Manhunter fire off the Leagues laser, or use the League teleporter for a BFR.

He almost always has access to the Carrier, and uses doors quite often.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii228/Saturn695/Midnighter01216.jpg

Also, he's pretty fast when he uses it:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103201/2215679-13.png

Incidentally, context for my 1st, earlier scan of doors into space - he didn't quite tank being unprotected in space, but he had to heal from it.

I've run an infinite amount of scenarios in my head, and in every one IF wins.

Originally posted by Mindset
I've run an infinite amount of scenarios in my head, and in every one IF wins.

U lack imagination

Midnighter will calculate every scenario and lead the fight to his most favourable outcome.

Lucas Trent wins.

"DOOR"

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, he's pretty fast when he uses it:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103201/2215679-13.png

Incidentally, context for my 1st, earlier scan of doors into space - he didn't quite tank being unprotected in space, but he had to heal from it.

So he uses it like soundwave in Transformers Prime.

Ok, it looks like a good tactic. Shouldn't be unavoidable, though, if someone's not barreling in like an idiot and can detect incoming (Rand was able to tell when Nightcrawler was coming in, and displayed blatant "chi sense" precognitive abilities that let him tell when someone, say, turns intangible on him.. I'd assume a door gives off some kind of energy signature..)

This then goes back to how his battle PC works....